This Picard is not Patrick Stewart. This Picard is all the producers who made this character and all the screenwriters who wrote his lines in the script. Patrick Stewart then delivered those lines in such an unforgettable way. Patrick Stewart is still here, but that is not enough. We are missing the right screenwriters and producers.
Picard - "I need a favour" B'iJik - "A favour?" Picard to Riker "Theres an echo in here" Picard to B'iJik "I need a cloaked ship" B'iJik - "A cloaked ship?" Picard to Riker "There it is again" 🤣
I remember once being told a Suzuki 2 stroke motorscooter and a J frame S&W revolver + ammo was indeed, "No small favor", Nevermind a Warp capable Starship, ROFLMAO ! 🙀
He didn't make junior adjutant by be thick as _Debrick_ ... Ooof-ah Man I'm sorry. I just couldn't help it. No offense please I was just funnin'. Okay? Drinks on me next time we see And you're right. Dude's pretty sharp. Prbly why they put him on the call. Great scene from beginning to end
"A MESSAGE!?.....very well." as soon as he delivered that line, I got some chills. The stars aligned and this junior adjutant was well and truly fucked, to be forced to be the middle man that has to deliver one of Picard's perfectly crafted dialogues to someone who clearly does not want to hear from him at that moment. Poor dude, I rarely feel bad for a fictional character and this was one of those times.
Excuse me, but I would like to kiss the person who write's Picard's speeches. Patrick Stewart delivers them expertly, but someone had to sit down and write them first, to use their own knowledge and skill to create the dialogue we love.
This is peak Trek. Great writing, great acting, simple but effective cinematography. It abounds with with subtlety and care. This is the kind of thing that keeps me wanting to come back for more every week.
"i'm sure there are others in the Klingon empire that would be willing to help me, and then *they* would have our gratitude" that's Picard speak for "i made you, i can unmake you"
I was thinking of the line from The Godfather: And if by chance an honest man like yourself should make enemies then they would become my enemies... and then they will fear you.
I almost was going to bed tonight thinking he was speaking of trading a future favor to another Klingon, and not threaten too unravel the entire Klingon Empire.
In the days now where every scene has to be a visual overload of CGI, it is so incredibly gratifying to watch these scenes where the mastery of dialogue and negotiations gives more chills and goosebumps than even the most epic of space battles. Jean-Luc Picard is a master of instilling fear in the most elegant, thoughtful way. No violence. No threats. His ability to smile and speak politely while implying "I will lay waste to your society" will always be my favorite moments.
@@ronaldcustard4636 The trouble is that Patrick Stewart is not Picard. Picard is all the producers who made this character and all the screenwriters who wrote his lines in the script. Patrick Stewart then delivered those lines in such an unforgettable way. Patrick Stewart is still here, but that is not enough. We are missing the right screenwriters and producers.
@@nerminc.1713 Many fans have a problem with the new Star Treks since JJ-Trek. But most of them are not able to clearly say what is it that they don't like and why,... what is actually wrong there. They very often point on some superficial things, details, like "this props looks wrong" or "i don't like how the character acts". And when studio or someone asks them what do they want, they reply "We want Kirk!", "We want Picard!" And the studio just replys "There you have it. So why are you still complaining?" And suddenly, they look just like a troublemakers who are never happy with anything. So many people just don't realize that when they say "I want Picard!", they actually mean they want the people who created the character and all the environment that Picard belongs to. We are not getting what we want, because we are not saying what we actually want.
@@Lukas-Trnka Perhaps productiuon companies see it that way and understand that having previously successful franchises will bring them money. The producers and new show runners aren't interested in continuing Star Trek, rather making money and making their own thing. I think a lot of people can illustrate what they don't like about the kelvin timeline, and when people say "we want Picard" it's very clear and it would be common sense that they don't just want the image of Picard, but rather the character and everything the encompasses him. People don't communicate in machine speak. To further the point: a lot of people are pointing out that the new Trek/kelvin timeline is missing depth. It's been echoed that the new Trek does not make you think, but rather forces you to think one way and casts you aside if you think otherwise. Star Trek used to take relatable, human topics and focus an episode around it. New Trek seems to try to expand the breth and raise the stakes to an ridiculously extraordinary high. A lot like the Marvel movies do. The viewer loses their perception on the topic (a lot like trying to envision the whole universe) It becomes unrelatable. New Trek doesn't seem to give you the time to think. It's pace is very fast and keeps throwing things at you, almost as to distract you from the poor writing, and flimsy plot.
I never really realized it until now, but after playing Shogun: Total War 2, I made the connection. The Klingon Empire is like feudal Japan. There is a revered Emperor who wields no actual power but is the spiritual focus of the people, while real power rests with the Chancellor (Shogun). Each Klingon clan (House) maintains their own military power and occasionally struggles break out when one House wants to become the ruling House. A complex system of honor, blood feud, alliances and deadly insult instigate tensions between the Houses, and the Empire tends to be distrustful of outsiders. The only difference is that the Chancellorship is not passed to the heir of the current ruling House but can be won by another. That's why Picard can threaten to go to another prominent figure in the Empire for the ship he needs. A House has its own vessels.
@@matthewredman7814 Except the Klingon Empire was originally based on Western understanding of the characteristics of the former Soviet Union of the late 1960s.
@@echos5823 What part of "originally" did you miss, out of curiosity? Was the term "late 1960s" not a big enough indicator for you to grasp the fact that I was, indeed, only referring to TOS? Or was this just your "Captain Obvious" impression?
The way Picard says "Yes" here is priceless. It's like he knows he's already checkmated his opponent and knows he is going to enjoy watching him slowly come to the same realization...
Worf: I believe I know H'why our messeges are not being answered. He's too busy eating pie with Cool H'whip. Picard: Leave the over pronunciation to me Mr H'Worf.
@@StarRunner17 Blame the Dutch. It's where the formal English pronunciations come from for: why, where and when. Technically supposed to be pronounced: hwy, hwere, and hwen.
@@markdillon5494 yeah, I mean Sisko was pretty thuggish sometimes. But not subtly menacing like this; his kind of threats were delivered far more directly. Sad thing is that he was in a place where this kind of arm-wrestling diplomacy would have been a daily requirement for the job. I blame the script-writers, to be honest. Great concept, some good general storylines, but "damn sloppy".
Picard managed to even incense the middle man stuck being the messenger without resorting to violence. "You'll have our gratitude" is one of the most diplomatic "heck you"s in science fiction. And then the icing on the cake was Picard congratulating the guy's boss on his rise to power.
@@SwordsmanRyan They didn't connive. They exposed the Romulan involvement in the Klingon "civil war". That was not only a treaty breach but having a Romulan puppet in charge of the klingon empire would have been disastrous.
I had never seen any Star Trek until last month when I watched my first episode of TNG. ITS THE BEST THING EVER! I love the happy and optimistic view of the future.
If Data says "I've expanded my search parameters," then you need to shoot him, because that isn't Data. Data doesn't use contractions (even though Brent Spiner did in this clip...oops.)
Certainly one of the best scenes from the series. It highlights the type of man Picard is, from his style of leadership to how he handles issues. Amazing writing!
@@kurtjk01 The problem is not much in Patrick Stewart him self. Stewart is an actor. The trouble is in screenwriters and in studio's requirements for producers and screenwriters.
@@kurtjk01 I know, but he is not really a producer. He is more like a public face of the producers. He is an experienced actor who got the opportunity to recreate something he likes and something he thinks should continue. Unfortunately he is not the right man for the job. There should be someone else next to Chabon, to provide a creative opposition.
@@Lukas-Trnka He didn't agree to do it until he saw the treatment; he had put Picard to bed, so to speak, and was reluctant to do it at first. Executive producers very often have strong creative input, and it unfortunately shows here. He's a great actor, no doubt about it . . . But the way they're deconstructing a great character has a "down in flames" feeling all over it.
When Picard makes the implied threat of "and then, they would have our gratitude," he steps forward. I've just noticed how that step forward reframes Picards face and shows only the black of his uniform for the rest of the conversation, mirroring Picard showing the Klingon's his "dark side"
"If Gowron can't (won't) provide us a ship, I'm sure there are others who will. And we would be grateful to _them."_ "... I see." He may just be a junior adjutant, but he's not stupid!
I love how Picard changes his body language and demeanor just enough to have proper "diplomatic conversations" with aliens based on who they are the the "hat" their culture wears.
"How will it benefit the Empire; I'm sure Gowron will ask." For what it's worth, this "Junior Adjutant to the Diplomatic Delegation" seems to be good at his little job.
Picard loses his cool, as a Klingon would. Then asks a big favor, threatens the guy indirectly that Gowron could lose Federation support should he need it again, AND insults Gowron in less than 2 minutes. Very nice. haha
They trashed a perfectly built phased cloaking device and then Sisko was all "shit now i have to borrow one from the Romulans". They could've laid phased whatever torpedos in the center of the Founder's homeworld and *boom* war over.
If you want to fight, Sisco is your captain. If you want to break stuff and sleep with everything, its Kirk. If you want to survive, its Janeway. But if you want to walk away with sass, its got to be Picard
@@chrispile3878 Nope, Mark Twain. Will Rogers might have said it as well. He said a lot of things that I Iiked. Among them, "I'm not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat."
People who complain about the Downfall of Gowron forget this was a thing: that he was so into himself that he changed Klingon history. Of course he would force his hand on more Glory and do his best to make Martok fail.
Inflection on the "THEY" implies the person they are giving support to is the important one where as the "OUR" implies their support is the important part.
@@WandererTheLost No it's to emphasize the difference between the two conditions. The only condition changing is who will get their gratitude so you emphasize THEY to make the two conditions more distinct.
@grog3514 Not agreeing with me is absolutely fine, but being unable to understand is worrying. Do I need to explain it to you in another way or do you not understand how it could make sense that way?
True. This ranks up wright there with "You enjoyed that - You damn right i did" and "Federation is weak and fears conflict - That is an assumption you are free to test at your convineance" or something like that.
When Picard initially mentions his "gratitude", it seems like a cheap nothing, a worthless acknowledgement. But then he goes on to mention the other houses, "and then... they would have our gratitude." Suddenly, Picard extending his "gratitude" is no longer an inconsequential formality; it is a threat.
@@jonathandoelander6130 well I was referring to 'Picard' , but I don't really care for 'Discovery' either...although I don't dislike it as much, because it didn't destroy a well loved icon
Alongside the episode of the Shelieak, this is one of the most diplomatic ways of saying give us what we want and you have no other alternative than to do so i,ve ever seen n i LOVE it.
"Gratitude" is the language and currency of diplomacy. When you have amassed a sufficient amount of it, then you can get Empires to bend and bow to your will and requests.
Watching this is like watching old highlight reels of former all star pros. Now they are reduced to silly antics and their name is worth more than the actual human. This will always be the real Picard.
I have nonverbal learning disorder, and it took me a few decades to grasp the meaning and subtext. Initially, I could appreciate only the literal sense. Later, although I was aware of a subtext, I couldn't discern the real meaning. Only very recently have I come to fully understand what Picard meant. It has been a very interesting and eye-opening journey.
Ah, but he doesn't only offer gratitude. Aside from the obvious threat, what he also tells them, is that he'll owe them a favour. And that carries a lot of weight: the Klingons know he's a man of integrity.
When you use the veiled threat of sponsering future regime change to get access to equipment to undertake a covert operation within a rival superpower in order to help one of your ambassdors, who is attempting to groom a politician in said rival empire to agree to a unification with one of the members of your superpower therefore eliminating them as a threat and adding their power to your own.
