+himanv Wesley: "Sir, I'm picking up something on the console." Riker: "Console? What is it?" Wesley: "It''s a device with buttons and screens...but that's not important right now."
Picard, not only you are willing to let a Romulan being perish, you're also willing to engage in battle with a ship full of children inside? Who granted you your commission!?
@@JonatasMonte If the Enterprise-D was going into battle knowingly, and being buddy-spiked (non-combatants on board), then the ship would likely separate and the star-drive alone would have gone in. Only when surprised, or when no children or non-Starfleet personnel are onboard, would the whole ship go into battle.
Nerds are not smart anymore. They used to be, back in the 20th century, but nerds now are a new kind of idiot. They are basically jocks now who like to flex their pseudo-intellectual muscles on the Internet through their imposing "nerd culture" posturing.
Not from Picard... Only from the Romulans was there deception. But there were honorable Romulans ("Face of the Enemy" - and that goes for even the villains).
Mad props to *Andreas Katsulas* and his always fantastic portrayal of Romulan *Cmdr. Tomalak...* of course it’s his performance as *G’Kar* in *Babylon 5* that was his finest work.
@@Antenox "We are all the sum of our tears. Too little and the ground is not fertile, and nothing can grow there. Too much, the best of us is washed away"
Andreas Katsulas was still alive in 2002 when Nemesis came out they could have used him then it would have been great if in stead of that female Romulan siding against Shinzon for no, at least as far as the scenes we saw other reason than Shinzon not wanting to sleep with her it would be Tomalak siding with Picard. to save Earth. Wouldn't have fixed the other problems with that movie but it would have helped. He appeared in an Enterprise episode in 2003 one of his last TV appearances.
The Romulans could have made such a compelling enemy in TNG. It's too bad the writers didn't explore this "Cold War" between the Federation and the Star Empire more.
They had a few good turns, but TNG didn't really care about serialised continuity, so the idea of an overarching nemesis never took off the same way it did in DS9 with the Cardassians and the Dominion.
In fairness it really was a good representation of a Cold War. Interference in leadership, spies, occasional alliances against mutual threats, & the odd skirmish.
+erentheca I always was a pretty big fan of "Klingon Politics" as it's own villain ;) I loved Gowron's slow transition across two full series from hero and ally of the federation to corrupt politician and enemy of the allied war efforts.
I MUST use the term "singularly impressed" upon someone! At Starbucks: "I am singularly impressed by the way you made this Americano. Do not risk the flavor of other Americanos by making more."
I know the definition of singularly is essentially "remarkably", but I'm not sure how that makes sense given it seems to come from the work singular. Sounds more like he's saying he's the only one that is impressed, which doesn't make sense in this situation.
I feel like I've seen this scene at least five times with the federation trying to rescue its people, who were sometimes spying, and the aliens being the bad guys for not letting them approach...
@@DistractedGlobeGuy Doesn't allow perfidy? Did you not see the episode where Starfleet Admiral Ross admits to colluding with Section 31 to have an innocent women executed in order to protect their double agent within the Romulan government? I'm not saying the Federation isn't morally superior to the Romulan Star Empire, but UFP morality isn't perfect either and they'll gladly break their own rules when the situation calls for it. As Admiral Ross himself said, *"inter arma enim silent leges..."*
@@robertmartin6800 The whole point of that story (originally anyway) was that Section 31 were criminals, and their presence meant that the principles the Federation stood for had essentially died--another senseless sacrifice to the Dominion War Machine. It wasn't until _Voyager_ was a failure that the narrative became "Section 31 are the good guys! War crimes are awesome! Gene Roddenberry was stupid! 'Murrickuh! Fuck yeah!", and that was the direct cause of everything since _Voyager_ being even worse.
@@DistractedGlobeGuy If the coming of Section 31 was the death knell of Federation values, then those values were dead on arrival. As the lore goes, Section 31 has been around since the very beginning of the Federation. Starfleet Command knows about it, they've always known and they very obviously approve of the work they do behind the scenes, going so far as to cover up and participate in their operations when need be. The Federation is not immune to evil simply because they're the good guys.
I can imagine an entire episode flipped where the Romulans won't let Piccard come pick up an injured Geordi or Rikker.....and we would all think them so evil for it.
Riker: "When does our next window open, Mr. Data?" Data: "I can not tell you." Riker: "I'm your commanding officer. Of course you can tell me." Data: "No, I mean I do not know." Riker: "Well, can't you take a guess." Data: "Not for another two hours." Riker: "You can't take a guess for another two hours?"
800,000 views and counting for a video 100% comprised of dialogue, just to hear a brilliant actor trade barbs with an adversary and use the term "singularly impressed" in a sentence, and sound badass doing it. These are the things that Star Trek: Discovery will never, ever understand.
star trek died the moment they allowed jar jar abrams to touch it. the only star trek we have left is the orville. the std is star trek in name only......
@@krioni86sa ...and that makes the joke on me how, exactly? to clarify: i wasn't laughing at sexually transmitted diseases but on the choice of abbreviating "star trek discovery" with the same acronym. Did this reiteration clear up the confusion on your side?
The line from the screenplay was written as: _Commander, your singular concern for a life is impressive._ Sir Patrick must have ad-libbed the line change
I like the implication in the way it was delivered- "singularly impressed" is an odd phrase but it does sound like a more earnest statement. As if Picard really is impressed, even though his point still stands.
01:25 i love how the romulan commanders voice goes more silent while saying " i have already explained ..." i dunno why that happened but funny as hell hahaha
Kirk would fuck his way out Picard would talk his way out Sisko would fight his way out Janeway would dues ex machina her way out Archer would try all 4 simultaneously Lorca would snort space mushrooms.
That's one of my absolute favorite word combinations in the English language, 'singularly unimpressed'. It has a certain rhythmic voluptuousness that makes my ears happy. It's kind of hard to say though, it's like a quadruple axel in figure skating.
it's the emphasis on the first syllable of both words - so that you can spit them out with emphasis at your target. *SING*ularly *UN*impressed *SIR!* also it has a great dactylic rhythm to it that gallops off the tongue.
Actually he is being sarcastic by being impressed by a single example of Romulin compassion. The only effect the politically manipulative fake outrage had on Picard was to piss him off, which is why he acted so curt. Fine acting.
G'kar should use one of his famous speaches. for example "We are the one". In the middle of it Fereration, touched and shaken to the core, would surrender to Romulan Empire.
+Ryszard Nanke Although, I'm pretty sure G'kar would see the merit in the Federation and dysfunction of the Romulan Star Empire. He may have seen it from the perspective of the Romulan in his early years... but the G'kar of the last two seasons of B5 definitely would have had a lot more in common with Picard.
Given that G'Kar's people the Narns went through a prolonged occupation at the hands of warlike aliens, yeah, he would. It's strange though that Star Trek has the Humanlike Bajorans occupied by the reptilian looking Cardassians while on Babylon 5, the reverse is true as the Humanlike Centari occupied the homeworld of the reptilian Narns.
I don't think that he would symphatize with the bajorans. G'Kar used religion to teach his people the value of co-existing with other people, Bajorans used it to the exact opposite goal, isolationism.
Now that the Picard series is coming, I even more find myself regretting that Andreas Katsulas passed away. Tomalak would've been an amazing character to bring back in some way, especially since the series seems to have some association with the destruction of Romulus. Perhaps they'll find some way to honor him - reference to how Tomalak and he found a way to see eye to eye in the heart of that disaster, or some memento.
@doctorwho0077 I know you're trying to draw a parallel to Smithers from The Simpson's with that last question...but Picard used to have feelings for a woman who later married a scientist in S1. He had a thing for a friend from Starfleet in Tapestry. He had a thing for Vash. He had feelings for Dr. Crusher and he had feelings for that Ba'ku lady in Insurrection. He just wasn't a space herpes dispensary like Kirk or Riker.
@@ungoyone Yeah, he and Jack Crusher served together and were friends. His friendship with Jack kept him from expressing his feelings for Beverly after Jack died. There was an episode where Picard and Beverly were connected by an empathic/telepathic link while they were escaped criminals.
When this scene starts you might find yourself wondering, you'll notice they're desperately looking for something. As Wesley speaks of background fluctuations, we feel the sense of loss. Then as our window pans right the focus follows Riker as he leans in with Data and you notice Worf in the background. Soon the camera suddenly zooms in, in a rather unusual way, and there is where we find a rather surprised looking Captain.
I just watched this episode, and I can totally see Picard making VERY similar decisions and statements to tomalak if the positions were reversed. Picard would likely also go past the neutral zone.
Caught with his pants down, gets defensive. Might as well have walked in on him while he was in the bathroom. Except the crew of the enterprise never used a bathroom. You'd think all those Earl gray teas would have to come out sometime.
and Picard knows that the Romulan commander did NOT want to do battle, otherwise he would have never hailed the Enterprise. all Tomalak was doing is grandstanding. Picard knew the given explanation for the Romulan ship on that Federation planet was bullshit and that Tomalak really was NOT prepared to go to war over THAT.
@@dhinton1 + Tomalak wouldnt have gone into battle with a disadvantage. One romulan ship alone in federation space. Picards backup would be way faster there than romulan help.
That assumes that Tomalak only had one ship and no cloaked escorts, which would be stupid to assume, since by that point, it was already clear that he was running some sort of major espionage operation and had been lying about the crashed ship. What would most likely happen if they did that would be that they get to the NZ border with half the ship, drop their shields to hail Tomalak, and then two extra warbirds immediately uncloak themselves and begin unloading torpedoes right into the warp core.
What I never understood was I thought the neutral zone was a many lightyear wide zone and not jus ta line between Feds and Roms. So why could the Roms always be in that zone yet if the Feds went into it they pitched a bloody hissy fit.
Yup. You could patrol borders and make outposts at the borders but no federation or romulan vessels were allowed to enter or cross neutral zone as it would be considered act of war. There's no evidence other parties were allowed there (except brief moments where dominion ships would attack federation by going through romulan side of neutral zone). I'd say commercial traffic went outside of neutral zone.
@@Promilus1984 Nah, the Romulans went into the neutral zone all the time. They often had patrol inside it. However, the Federation, notoriously doesn't enforce the treaties it makes worth a crap because it's all about "avoiding fighting at any cost, even when it would be more wise to fight"
@@Promilus1984 I can't remember the episode names/numbers off of the top of my head, but it was frequently happening in TOS and TNG episodes involving the neutral zone. Pretty much as soon as the Enterprise got in there, there'd usually be a cloaked Romulan ship waiting.
Very similar to the way many people say "thanks very much". When they really mean "thanks, buy not very much" or "thanks, but not a lot". I feel Ive let myself down by pretending I'm so grateful for a basic or mediocre service when I catch myself being overly impressed
"what are those numbers over there" "that is a countdown clock until my shift is over" "and what about that line going up" "that is a realtime graph of dumb questions per hour"
