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Car Handling - Grip, Oversteer & Understeer explained by Tiff Needell

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@ktm125sx10
@ktm125sx10 15 лет назад
oversteer: you hit the wall with the rear end of the car understeer: you hit the wall with the front of the car. horsepower: how hard you hit the wall torque: how long you take the wall with you :D
@gerryreggea
@gerryreggea 7 лет назад
Glad I am driving a BMW E34, they knew their stuff back then. Thanks for uploading the video, Topgear then was more than a school.
@QtheMisanthrope
@QtheMisanthrope 9 лет назад
back when you could actually learn something from top gear
@joshuabrown9398
@joshuabrown9398 9 лет назад
+Valon Selimaj But new Top Gear is just so much more entertaining wouldn't you say?
@volante8657
@volante8657 8 лет назад
+Joshua Brown if it's something like man lab, then yes. sadly it isn't
@mycosys
@mycosys 8 лет назад
+Valon Selimaj now you just switch to fifth gear where the old top gear crew went
@DYSPH0RlA
@DYSPH0RlA 8 лет назад
+Valon Selimaj Back when there were no good cars.
@Ehal256
@Ehal256 8 лет назад
+Wrath Plenty of good cars, what are you talking about?
@astonpatterson
@astonpatterson 15 лет назад
Had to lol when he said "A Modern Supercar" and the old 944 pops up!
@RipMK747
@RipMK747 5 лет назад
The E34 was and will always be one if not THE best looking saloon car!!
@xFlared
@xFlared 10 лет назад
They should show things like this in schools, this can save tons of teenage lives. Too bad the schools are no longer used for teaching but are used to blend in peer pressure and conforming to society.
@MrWolfSnack
@MrWolfSnack 9 лет назад
Yeah, I never learned anything about cars in school. And the auto tech class was only available to seniors, long after the crucial time to learn about cars at a young age so the knowledge sticks. And it was only available to men. Women couldn't join this class. I am honestly not joking. My high school was fucked up.
@AE86ofMtAkina
@AE86ofMtAkina 9 лет назад
MrWolfSnack True, in middle school I learned about cars through the internet.
@Catcrumbs
@Catcrumbs 8 лет назад
+Admiral Ackbar 3:13 "With modern cars, the grip level is so high that you should never reach the limit on public roads." More lives would be saved if you could impress upon them the need to drive at a prudent speed and with an appropriate gap to the vehicle in front.
@jfv65
@jfv65 8 лет назад
+Catcrumbs and not stare at their f-ing iphones while driving...
@A1DJPaul
@A1DJPaul 3 года назад
Yes I agree, Every Driving Test should include Lessons in ADVERSE Car CONTROL in Wet & ICY Conditions in the UK. Every Driver Should PASS the LATEST Driving Test every 10 or 15 Yrs. This Will Keep Long time Drivers Alert to modern Cars & Roads. Everything Changes , Driving Tests Need to be For the Very Best Drivers. An Old Person at 70 Yrs Old Should have the Ability to Spin a BMW 5 Series Around a WET Track, Same as a 17 yr old new Driver. & Have Full Control. Fail the Test = Go Back for DRIVING LESSONS REGARDLESS OF AGE, OR GENDER. 17 Yr old Girl? 72 Yr old Granny. ONE Driving Test every 10 / 15 years For Everyone. FAIL = Go Back To Reading the Highway Code & Clicking Boxes on a THEORY TEST at 82 yrs old, Because their Car will have TOUCH SCREEN CONTROLS etc. 3 Outright Fails = You cannot apply for 3 more years. & With a DOCTORS Letter of FULL HEALTH. if over 70 yrs old.
@OscarWithC
@OscarWithC 10 лет назад
Dramatic handling conditions = seriouse fun!
@miksulder
@miksulder 9 лет назад
fwd is really safe to drive normally, but when you throw it to the corner violently it suddenly behaves like an paralyzed animal.
@kristupasantanavicius9093
@kristupasantanavicius9093 5 лет назад
Not enuf wheel spin mate
@BarneyWobba
@BarneyWobba 11 лет назад
I knew most of this on an instinctive level, but having just got an M5 after yeaaaars of FWD cars, I found this useful, thanks for the upload :)
@jeffreylebowski2291
@jeffreylebowski2291 4 года назад
How did it go? I also want to get an rwd But i have also only have lots of Years of fast FWD experiences...
@Sakonetatar1
@Sakonetatar1 3 года назад
@@jeffreylebowski2291 I like to deliberately push the limit (braking in the wet, oversteer, understeer...) of my rwd car so that when something unexpected happens I have more chances to not to crash. I recommend you to cautiously try it, plus you can learn to drift :)
@danessz93
@danessz93 9 лет назад
3:38 Wow, BMW knew their business back then.
@lewis72
@lewis72 6 лет назад
Well, it's a Bosch system, so prossibly more Bosch than BMW.
@AntzolY111
@AntzolY111 5 лет назад
Fuck yeah old BMWs 😍😍😍😎😎😎
@daviderhahon
@daviderhahon 3 года назад
Just clicked your link. Mehn, car bounced up and down but tyres remained steady and maintained grip on the road. Superb
@Avilator189
@Avilator189 12 лет назад
I love the honk at the end of the spin in the Elan.
@SamuelVella1995
@SamuelVella1995 7 лет назад
Clicked for that sexy E34 ;)
@hannahhirsch5394
@hannahhirsch5394 6 лет назад
lol same
@AshleyPomeroy
@AshleyPomeroy 6 лет назад
Compared to the Rover it looks like it came from the future - it's still gorgeous nowadays.
@Noh1996
@Noh1996 5 лет назад
i came here because I thought it was an e24, then i realised it wasn't but still worth it
@AntzolY111
@AntzolY111 5 лет назад
My jaw dropped damn E34 and E39 best M5s
@nikolasael1
@nikolasael1 5 лет назад
Happy to got one.. e34 525i m50b25
@UEGUnequaled
@UEGUnequaled 11 лет назад
These old time educational videos are the best!
@sideslip2threshold
@sideslip2threshold 13 лет назад
That was a series 1 Citroen XM at the end, which was shown to have virtually comparable handling to the sports car. The Series 2 Citroen XM's that followed had much better handling, with evolved hydropneumatic/nitorogen gas suspension. Putting low profiles on that car results in a car that seems impossible to "shake" of line. It seems to me that most people are unaware of the exceptional handling on these cars.
@user-hs8mf4jn9k
@user-hs8mf4jn9k 9 лет назад
Tiff farted at 0:53 :3
@StoneCoolds
@StoneCoolds 9 лет назад
Marko Amidzic naah he is just rev matching that high performance car xD
@elcabezon5487
@elcabezon5487 7 лет назад
he was sitting on a whoope cushion to balance his height on the seat,lmao
@MaimunR
@MaimunR 13 лет назад
i love how in all these old top gear clips they mention emergency avoidance situations when it comes to handling
@DShafi01
@DShafi01 12 лет назад
3:15 I love that BMW, favorite 5 series of them all :)
@GameplayXperience
@GameplayXperience 13 лет назад
Top Gear is the most awesome all car reviews ever. Still today, they are keeping the same methods like old the Top Gear series. Just awesome. I watch them all when i can
@coldfiredesignstudio
@coldfiredesignstudio 4 года назад
Best video about the topic ever seen
@p00pie
@p00pie 14 лет назад
Great video! Thanks for the upload.
@sreddy117
@sreddy117 13 лет назад
this is a really informative video thanks for the upload!
@xxkiller59xx
@xxkiller59xx 7 лет назад
Was waiting for the car at the beginning to run into the guy lol
@geforce5700fx
@geforce5700fx 15 лет назад
THANKS A LOT FOR UPLOADING !!!!
@joeziadan
@joeziadan 9 лет назад
I don't see how understeer is "safer" than oversteer. It's really easy for me to control oversteer but with understeer You can only turn as hard as you can and ease off the gas pedal and hope the car regains grip. The reason I love old Porsches is for the reason that they naturally oversteer and it's so rewarding to hold the slide in them. But everyone has their own preference I suppose
@mellowb1rd
@mellowb1rd 9 лет назад
I guess it depends on the road and the corner, but it's usually safer to hit something with the front of the car than the side. Safest of all would be to drive REALLY fast, so you hit with the rear. We need to double the speed limit and make roads out of banana skins!
@taylangolcuk1257
@taylangolcuk1257 9 лет назад
Pulling an e-brake just a little bit can help to understeer .
@SIMcityplayer2002
@SIMcityplayer2002 9 лет назад
You can't pull the E-Brake 'just a little bit.' It's on or off.
@joeziadan
@joeziadan 9 лет назад
Haha that's true if you pull it a little nothing will happen except a little humiliation lol
@SIMcityplayer2002
@SIMcityplayer2002 9 лет назад
And that would create a 'handbrake turn.' Also, It seems easy to control ovesteer, but it really isn't! With understeer you can just slow down and fix the problem.
@JanGodrie
@JanGodrie 9 лет назад
0:53 Tiff just farted!
@valdezapg
@valdezapg 14 лет назад
you've got a great channel!
@fikri565
@fikri565 10 лет назад
Tiff did show how to drift in Morris Minor in Fifth Gear,on dry track. Didnt know he did first in old Top Gear series.
@BrEdits364
@BrEdits364 11 месяцев назад
this man is drifting in the 90s when drift weren't invented yet in the united states he is a legend
@pastrami1945
@pastrami1945 9 лет назад
Driving in snow, down a curving ramp onto an Interstate, I liked front-wheel drive over rear drive. Rather contend with understeer than oversteer if hit some really slick stuff.. Drove 'em both in nasty snow storms.
@roberts1677
@roberts1677 9 лет назад
pastrami1945 Different strokes for different folks. In the snow I'd much rather have RWD. I can manage oversteer quite easily as I've had a lot of practice on dirt roads. Understeer to me is no good.
@h2oaddict28
@h2oaddict28 7 лет назад
pastrami1945 fwd cars can oversteer very easly on corners due to poor weight balance.
@Tenbegdoh
@Tenbegdoh 11 лет назад
No drivetrain will save you if you go in to a corner too hot. Lift off oversteer is cool (unless unintended). I used to own an XM, and it was a beast at keeping everything level. I currently own an Integra type R... which is a lot better, in terms of lift off - it just goes sideways until you put your foot down. Those XMs were almost impossible to get sideways. I did try.
@SandwhichDepartment
@SandwhichDepartment 12 лет назад
Yes, now I can understand all the top gear reviews better.
@jackthemaniac1
@jackthemaniac1 7 лет назад
XM showing that hydropneumatic suspension is king.
@Camionetadelapuebla
@Camionetadelapuebla Год назад
Beautiful E34!
@bignicky88
@bignicky88 14 лет назад
very helpful. it was always a bit mystifying to me about how understeer and oversteer varied in terms of different car designs.
@Michaelingolfhansen
@Michaelingolfhansen 12 лет назад
The "cheap" Porsche 944 pulls 0,97 g: pretty nice! I've read several rewievs that rated it as the best handling Porsche of its era! Better than the 911's and 928 of its time!
@BlackOpSource
@BlackOpSource 15 лет назад
Hey! Someone else watched the Drift Bible! Sweet. At any rate, I will concede to you, since it seems you know more about drifting than me. I'm more of a grip driver, anyway; gotta work hard to keep a car turning if you've got front-wheel drive.
@geogmz8277
@geogmz8277 8 лет назад
TG was very very informative..
@elcabezon5487
@elcabezon5487 7 лет назад
no matter how many videos are out here to know how to manuever a car,in whatever condition,teens all the like is speeding,but not learning how to control the machine,In fact it has help me somehowt to steer accordingly,
@420Vali
@420Vali 13 лет назад
@kenjoje Agreed. After all he's a real racing driver. He was in f1 on a minor team for a short time, also WSC in the 80s. Have you seen the vids of him testing a Porsche 962? Awesome stuff.
@ElMattador
@ElMattador 11 лет назад
Drifting a Morris Minor 1000. Legend
@TechSalvager
@TechSalvager 15 лет назад
Generally drifting is about having a greater rear slip angle than the front tires. It can be done by using power over, handbrake, interia, etc. You just get more options with a RWD and easy of keeping it under control than other types. Also you shouldn't allways be at opposite lock durning drifting, you could if you wanted to and try to use power only but sometimes that won't work on smaller hp cars and you will need to figure other ways out as well
@TheNiceJackass
@TheNiceJackass 6 лет назад
I think I know where 06:40 was filmed. Looks like the A64 southbound turnoff at Askham Bar here in York. A tricky Long 270 degree left-hander that feels like you're turning left for eternity.
@d-one-and-only
@d-one-and-only 5 лет назад
Without any doubt Tiff is one of the best drivers EVER! Yes he was a former Race Driver .... Vicky is also an excellent driver! Jeremy is funny. I wonder if Tiff was a Stig ever ....
@BlackOpSource
@BlackOpSource 15 лет назад
I've heard that before, but as I understand it, drifting, in its strictest sense, is holding a car at opposite lock and using the pedals to steer, which is something you can only do in a rear-driven car. The only time you come off full lock is when you're turning the wheels the other way. Drifting, then, is intentional heavy oversteer. Four-wheel slide, on the other hand, means that all four wheels are sliding to some degree or another, with the steering a lot closer to centered.
@geforce5700fx
@geforce5700fx 12 лет назад
the best !
@Avilator189
@Avilator189 12 лет назад
YES! So much this^^
@newtracetriad
@newtracetriad 10 лет назад
Clarkson would just drift the minor all day long
@Dutch94
@Dutch94 10 лет назад
2:24 Even then Top Gear hated Nascar!
@ancientapparition1638
@ancientapparition1638 6 лет назад
Seriously who the fuck thinks Nascar is interesting to watch
@chilael6892
@chilael6892 3 года назад
@@ancientapparition1638 Me if I get to see the driver's pov, I already tested it watching Matt Malone.
@420Vali
@420Vali 13 лет назад
@kenjoje Does it snow where you live? Thats one way to do it, make the car slide in the snow. Also, you can do autocross and even track days. (I know in some countries they're cheap). ...you can also slide your car around in large empty parking lots, deserted back roads...etc.
@Koenonator
@Koenonator 15 лет назад
very enlighting
@420Vali
@420Vali 13 лет назад
@NewRomantic4 Or to correct lift off over steer, opposite lock followed by slight increase in power.
@actionjackson9000
@actionjackson9000 15 лет назад
you can get the elusive "neutral steer" with AWD though aka 4 wheel drift
@Iwo26
@Iwo26 13 лет назад
I wish Tiff or Jeremy did whole E34 M5 review........
@volante8657
@volante8657 14 лет назад
@NutsandGuts basically, depending on how you differ the power distribution between the front and the rear....for instance, most Audis tends to understeer, while the Audi R8 tends to oversteer becuz the R8's diff tends to give more power to the back rather then to the front, as to most Audi's are
@moblackqb31
@moblackqb31 15 лет назад
Wish they had more tracks like this in the U.S.A and at 7:58 did he go into a spin then reverse then Accelerate and bring it back
@MSI2k
@MSI2k 14 лет назад
This man was on Top Gear? He does have that pedigree. I salute him.
@BlackOpSource
@BlackOpSource 15 лет назад
For sure. Torque-biased systems are fairly easy to predict, but that on-off stuff I don't understand as well.
@maxpowers3732
@maxpowers3732 7 лет назад
What do you do with the pedals if you oversteer? Since one of the causes if lifting off the throttle I'm guessing you shouldn't lift off the throttle completely, but do you keep your foot on the accelerator if you power oversteer?
@5THR33S
@5THR33S 7 лет назад
maxpowers3732 depends on the situation, if youre playing it safe ease of SLOWLY if you want to push it through the corner maintain throttle position and correct the slide with countersteer honestly rhough it cant be explained, just practice
@eddyLF
@eddyLF 15 лет назад
does the asc give some power to the car ?
@BlackOpSource
@BlackOpSource 15 лет назад
That can be achieved with any drivetrain layout, though. It's just easier if you can put down some power on the rear wheels. I do in front-driven cars through trail braking, and it's even easier if you have some weight in the back. Also, a technical complaint: Calling four-wheel slide "drift" is inaccurate, as the term "drift" only applies to intentional oversteer.
@Holdmymanpurse
@Holdmymanpurse 13 лет назад
this car is my icon he is so genious :3
@Hossdelux
@Hossdelux 13 лет назад
@since51592 the car behind tiff makes it even better.
@stevenrivers2541
@stevenrivers2541 8 лет назад
I love the 944
@JeromeHattKronen1664
@JeromeHattKronen1664 6 лет назад
try Audi 100 Coupe S instead
@DriverGuy23
@DriverGuy23 11 лет назад
Introducing the Modern Supercar, the "Porsche 944"
@vitzy8965
@vitzy8965 12 лет назад
very informative
@geforce5700fx
@geforce5700fx 15 лет назад
M5 E34, my favorite BMW ^^
@kal12345
@kal12345 14 лет назад
i like the citroen xm @end,,,,:)
@420Vali
@420Vali 13 лет назад
@kenjoje Yeah its a great vid. enjoy.
@ThisIzTheEdge
@ThisIzTheEdge 10 лет назад
what year was this. trying to figure out what they mean by a "modern" car as in terms to when this was made
@stevenpam
@stevenpam 10 лет назад
That Rover was a "G" reg, so probably around 1990. That would have made Tiff about 38 or 39, which looks about right.
@tamamboylekalsn
@tamamboylekalsn 9 лет назад
BMW e34 Series in this videohave a DSC so this video was after the 1996.
@mellowb1rd
@mellowb1rd 9 лет назад
Muhlis Goktas Not a chance in Hell. Top Gear was off the air by then, and looking at5 how old Tiff is in this puts it further back. Maybe 5 years earlier, give or take a couple of years
@SIMcityplayer2002
@SIMcityplayer2002 9 лет назад
This Top Gear was still there in 2001.
@SIMcityplayer2002
@SIMcityplayer2002 9 лет назад
And it was an E46, not an E34.
@kevin48800
@kevin48800 7 лет назад
what a driver
@Desertduleler_88
@Desertduleler_88 8 лет назад
A shorter wheelbase will affect handling also....
@fuukakun8428
@fuukakun8428 6 лет назад
so grip = speed x g force?
@phuckoffanddie
@phuckoffanddie 11 лет назад
Yeah, I felt it and smelt it too
@shravan338
@shravan338 7 лет назад
I have a doubt if we use too much of throttle in a corner then the backend of the car will slip n we will lose the cars rear to prevent that shd we use more throttle or lift off throttle?
@Beatsbasteln
@Beatsbasteln 5 лет назад
if you induce oversteer by throttling too hard more throttle won't fix it obviously, but if you oversteer due to your car's momentum you should give it some throttling so it won't snap back at the end of the corner
@Liist
@Liist 14 лет назад
@NutsandGuts They tend to hold their grip, and especially with modern cars with electronic systems differentiating how much power goes to each wheel, sort it all out for you. Expect more performance oriented AWD cars to oversteer while your mom's Subaru wagon to understeer. Your dad's old 4WD SUV will probably flip over.
@AlternativeUses
@AlternativeUses 15 лет назад
yeh, true, but it wouldve been interesting to hear his views on it. esp if it were with the more interesting ones like acuras sh-awd or the nissan GT-R
@silkycvale
@silkycvale 8 лет назад
Tiff needle and Jeremy clarkson would be great to do a car show together they both are great drivers in my eyes and would be funny to see them both trying to beat each other all time not one of them would ever admit defeat😂 Wish car shows where still like this today
@S3mj0n
@S3mj0n 7 лет назад
Silky 2016 Tiff vs Clarkson is not fair. A former racing driver vs a lemon is stupid.
@A1DJPaul
@A1DJPaul 3 года назад
My BMW e34 Glides Superbly, Very Smooth & Controllable. If You Demand it to. The Rest of the time It STICKS LIKE GLUE to the Roads in all But the Worst Conditions & a Very Silly Driver. The Harder you Push an e34 through the bends at High speed , the More it Grips the Road & the Faster you Go, The Car Feels to SHRINK to Less than the size of an e30. AMAZING When You Hammer a BMW e34 525i Se into Sharpe Double Hairpin Bends. BRILLIANT Cars For the Narrow Lanes & Steep Hills of Yorkshire. at 59 mph of course !!! Gently Wafting along. A BMW e34 is Not for Elderly Folk with Slow Responses. It's a stupidly Fast 4 dr Saloon With A Limo Ride & Handling to Beat some Very Fast modern Cars. A BMW e34 Comes with NO COFFEE CUP HOLDERS. To Drive it as it was Designed, You Need One Hand on the Wheel & the Other on the Gearstick Flicking from 3rd to 4th & Back to 5th, then 3rd & 4th & down to 3rd again to power out of a bend. Keeping the Revs above 3,500 allows the engine to Do what it was Designed to do. LAUNCH a Big Heavy Car Down the Road, & Feel like you are Not even moving.
@HaHaEntertainmentR
@HaHaEntertainmentR 12 лет назад
The slalom was so funny.
@eetherington
@eetherington 11 лет назад
Proud owner of e34, just have to put it out there. hahaha
@Anirossa
@Anirossa 3 года назад
Hope you still have it:)
@eetherington
@eetherington 3 года назад
@@Anirossa yep, still going :)
@Anirossa
@Anirossa 3 года назад
@@eetherington That is great! 😄 has it had many major problems through the years? I got a e34 2 years ago, have now had 4, currently two in rlly good condition I am planing to keep a very long time, one of them permanently if not both. 88 models. Getting pretty good at these cars, but wanted to hear how your ownership has been 😄
@SagothBaal
@SagothBaal 13 лет назад
@rahungry It depends if you are driving a RWD car or a FWD
@fcnl
@fcnl 7 лет назад
haha, "frisky, with a hint of character" that's perfect.
@xkrmaniac
@xkrmaniac 14 лет назад
preety sound of inline six :)
@13RuffRyder
@13RuffRyder 13 лет назад
so basically understeer is when you hit the wall with the front of the car and oversteer is when you hit the wall with the rear of the car?
@Tyme4Cryme
@Tyme4Cryme 13 лет назад
@funnyvideosbob HA! How did I miss that the first time around?
@yobarry
@yobarry 14 лет назад
That sound is the sound of the exhaust as he lets off the gas and brakes while car is still in gear.
@AlternativeUses
@AlternativeUses 15 лет назад
very nice. wish he would've included awd though
@energymc22
@energymc22 Год назад
E34 ❤️
@givingittoyouraw4101
@givingittoyouraw4101 6 лет назад
At 6:00, "It's controlled either by adding a little more lock...." What does he mean by "adding a little bit more lock?"
@estoyaqui85
@estoyaqui85 14 лет назад
when?
@ZosZ4
@ZosZ4 11 лет назад
Porsche 944 is still a car with excellent handling. Search a video on Nurburgring, turbo 944 under 8 minutes which is very very fast.
@ElZato
@ElZato 13 лет назад
Finally got it, it's a Lotus Elan.
@oldfashionedwrx3574
@oldfashionedwrx3574 11 лет назад
you don't want either, though understeer when it appears its so damn easy to correct especially when your drunk.. oversteer is so tempting to go drifting hahaha
@fullfist
@fullfist 10 лет назад
the host is a professional race driver, if you're wondering
@jdmderick
@jdmderick 10 лет назад
05:52 nom nom nom nom!!
@dathrevann
@dathrevann 14 лет назад
good looking beemer
@Gauntletbloggs
@Gauntletbloggs 14 лет назад
@ysivyboi1 i think you are getting 5th gear confused with top gear.
@leftylethborg
@leftylethborg 12 лет назад
i think all leaner drivers should learn about this and be tested on it how to stop car from over-steer/under-steer etc not just if they can do a well executed 3 point turn
@rokero171
@rokero171 11 лет назад
"Tiffany Dell!!" by Jeremy Clarkson.
@leftylethborg
@leftylethborg 12 лет назад
@ClTIZEN 3 point turns and reverse parks don't save lives mate ( yes it's important) response times and knowing what to do in a fraction of a second (how to control a car in the event something happens) does though one could make the point that it will encouraged hoon driving possibly but teens are going to hoon drive anyway
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