Car Week Special - The Carmudgeon Show - Ep. 45 

Still waiting for the promised and heavily anticipated Piëch podcast.

I had a Honda Beat and loved it! I sold it to buy a Cappuccino, which is a bit more practical and quicker, but has less personality. The Beat sounded amazing, went through the (very short) gears super quick, and was just a blast on the backroads. Kept up with much faster things as long as the road was tight enough. So yeah...I might buy another Beat someday. FYI Randy Pobst even drove my Beat around Pitt Raceway...the video's in my channel!

“Reunited and it feels so good…”

you need to drive a turbo S (turbo cup)

Everything is at peace now

"It's about the experience, not the speed." Oi if that mindset is not lost on so many.

OH FUCK YEA! These episodes are so much better (imo, ofc) when you two get together IRL rather than over a video call. Please do it more often if possible!

Two Cammisa videos on one day!!! What have we done to deserve such riches?

I've been waiting months to post this here but I finally got my first enthusiast car and it's an '91 E30 318is 5-speed! Taught myself how to drive stick on the 6 hour drive home!

"I assume this will come out in the next 5 days." - A month and a half later. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Jason, please tell the dudes at hagerty that the buyers guide videos are garbage. Nothing about them actually help if you're looking to purchase said car that's the topic of the video. Thank you.

Chrysler Conquest/Mitsubishi Starion is rear wheel drive.

Yesss!! Please keep making these, the conversations are so interesting!

So glad they’re still making these. Idc how long it is In between. I’ll always watch Jason and DTS be carmudgeons lol

As someone who was having a shitty day, thank you ❤️

I was literally commenting this morning on another video that it would be cool to see a comparison between a well sorted 944 S2 and a new BRZ/86. The dimensions, weight, power figures and even the side profile are similar. The main differences being the wheelbase and the transaxle. Would be awesome to see Jason doing a video about that.

I feel identified with Hyphen's road rage, tbh

I love this show. Thanks for keeping it going guys

"Obliviousness is one of the great scourges of humanity" Yes, hell yes!

I was so happy when I saw this come up. Thank you. I hold the same sentiment you both hold: do these more!

Can Jason and DTS do a video on competitive markets and the rule of 3’s in automotive markets? Examples like Mercedes-BMW-Audi, Ford-Chevorlet-Dodge, Toyota-Honda-Nissan and how Hyundai/Kia replaced Nissan. The Hyundai Genesis Coupè started out as a simulacra of the Infiniti G37, yet now Sonata’s and Elantra’s are outselling Altima’s and Sentra’s. The push and pull of market leaders like Mercedes, Toyota-Lexus, and Chevorlet being least innovative; while BMW, Honda-Acura, and Ford being focused on performance and quality; while Audi, Nissan-Infiniti, Hyundai-Kia, and Dodge being focused on incentives and value pricing.

Dear Jason and DTS, what do you think of this rambling i had inspired by yall?: What Happened to Subaru’s WRX redesign? The Answer: Honda happened. Here’s what I think was going through Subaru’s mind when they developed this new gen CVT-focused Subaru WRX: lean in on the AWD off-road wilderness angle with weird plastic *because Subaru straight-up cannot build a better daily driver STREET Car than the Honda Civic Si.* I mean the writing’s been on the wall since the Subaru Impreza WRX STi vs Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution days. Mitsubishi would always have the sharper car that’s more livable on public roads, while Subaru was a bit more of a loud brute due to the boxer engine rumble. In the Post-Group B rally era after 2002: Mitsubishi was much more able to integrate the economy car based Lancer Evo into a Skyline/Lamborghini-killing street performance than the more understeery Symmetrical AWD Impreza STi. When the Ford Focus RS hatchback came out, it immediately took the 2016 Subaru WRX STi sedan’s lunch money. And so Subaru now needs to play to its strengths in the face of a 306hp Honda Civic Type R. What Honda is doing with $35K FWD is beating MK5 Toyota/BMW Supra’s at tracks. The Naturally Aspirated VTEC Honda Civic Si has been beating the turbo Subaru Impreza WRX in the manual sedan market ever since 2006 with the 8th gen’s. The Honda Si has a better manual shifter, way better MPG’s, better reliability, better handling, better interior, is a better daily driver, is a better family car, and is usually a more fun car on twisty back roads. Subsequently, the 9th and 10th gen Si’s have just been refining each year to be easier to live with. The amount of development costs to get a performance Impreza to handle itself like a Civic Si does would be ridiculous. And that’s to say nothing of the Volkswagon GTi/GLi, Golf R, Hyundai Veloster Turbo/Elantra N-Line/Kia Forte GT, and Hyundai Veloster N. All of them have built a more livable car than the current Subaru WRX. Sure, they are not as loud nor exciting as the Subaru Boxer Rumble/Exhaust with Winter tires and AWD; but usually they are more reliable (mostly applies to Honda), have more MPG, and cost less to maintain too. Even the Mazda 3 Hatchback Turbo came back with AWD because they knew there was an open market niche that Subaru wasn’t filling correctly. Now there are rumors Toyota wants to make a new GR Corolla? So what is Subaru to do? Keep development costs extremely low by using a cheap global platform, put worthless plastic body cladding to tell everyone that the WRX is rugged and signal as the only AWD option in the segment. And, Well they put 300% emphasis on the CVT WRX because Honda is still refusing to put an automatic transmission option on their enthusiast oriented Honda Civic Si and Type R’s. Volkswagon did the same marketing with their automatic DSG to appeal their GLi/GTi/R to the 98% of US population that don’t know how to drive stick shift. Now Hyundai did the same for their automatic DCT buyers of the Veloster Turbo/N and Elantra Sport/N-line/N. You can’t even get a manual GTi or Veloster Turbo without special ordering one one many dealerships. Yet Honda still insists on no automatic Si’s. 😂👍

Thank you for for making this show. I really missed it. It's so great to hear about the emotions cars should invoke. That's why we all love cars. (I'm guessing car haters won't make it to my comment :))

on 50s cars being shitty has cammmisa ever driven a citroen ds? that's supposed to be the exception to the tractor thing when we needed them the most, they returned

Damn big OOF on saying a Chrysler conquest was fwd.. smh, it's the same car as the Mitsubishi starion which was front engine rwd sports coupe. Still love you guys though

I love when you guys call Derek's E500 '500E' and 500SL 'SL500' 🥰

Le Croix........It's pronounced LA Qwa sweetie darling, L Qwa.....but this episode?....I felt like I was on a really boring electronic surveillance stakeout in some generic motel.

These guys rub rub linseed oil in the school Comorant while listening to Pavarotti right?👬

“Obliviousness is one of the great scourges of humanity.”… never a truer sentence spoken in a more elegant way. Thanks DTS.

Looking in the TV's reflection and people are trying to get in. Access denied! Closed set! :)

Not sure why there was no love for the 944. The turbo engine isn't amazing in a modern context, but the 2.5 and 3.0L NA engines are quite linear. You need to drive my 300,000 mi base 2.5L NA!

at 8:36 someone tried to get in. You can see it in the reflection on the TV in the background. (I only noticed because I was wondering what the strange green thing on the TV is at this exact moment) At 9:15 they are two guys now. When i hear the "Slow car fast" thing i always think people should add what they mean with "slow car" for the non knowledgable. I have driven many slow cars, actually most of the cars i have driven, you two would consider very slow. But almost none of them was fun to be moved "fast" or better said, in a spirited manner/ at full throttle. On the other hand, driving in an old E63 (pre Turbo) still feels special to me even after 7 years, no matter if slow or not slow in the dry, in the snow... (And i think it could be considered fast in the dry)

neighbor in pontiac, MI has a cyclone and a typhoon that he street parks year round.

Hyphen boy is back from Schweiz.

I’m 23 and u can show me a pic of even the early 50s Ferrari’s & I can name them 340 Mexico, 212 inter etc. but I think I’m one of very few that gives a shit lol

Waited for the vehicle height insert, not there; thought drive might be waning for these uploads, Camissa stretched thin. Tried to understand the next few exchanges. Decided to view the classics on this channel instead.

Chrysler conquest is FR layout

All cars drove like tractors until Triumph invented handling in 1952.

Missed you lads.. Please get both your asses on the TST podcast next time both of you are in LA.. I am desperate for Zack and Matt to pick Hyphen’s brain..

Oh wow lmao the excitement on my face when I saw the notification on my screen this was released. It's currently 3:18am in Australia but I'd I am staying up bhahahaha

Lol, Wayne Carini! His cars are totally overpriced.

I still remember seeing an F40 on a motorway near Nice back in 1997. It seemed like a crazy car at the time. I am sure my teenage self wouldn't have believed it would appreciate in value.

omg i've missed these two for so long hope they gonna do a v8 mercedes episode as they mentioned once

40:19 did Hyphen just call the Conquest "FWD"??? Pushup-earning misstep for certain 😅 41:30 the 944 turbo here is described as "not all that fast" yet the 88+ (power bump from 217 to 250) were comparable in speed (on street and on track) to the _930_ , much less a standard contemporary 911. A decent exhaust system partially solves the noise problem (as much as can be solved while still having a 4-cylinder). The crazy prices now don't help the 944/951's cause, but they are nowhere near as stupid as the money/experience ratio for a something like a 911 SC. If the 951 prices were still similar to what they were just a handful of years ago (and let's be honest, what they had been for the past few decades; my dad bought one with some mileage and paint issues for a 4-digit sum in 1996 or 1997), I imagine it would have been more appealing. 47:33 I imagine the rationale (to VW bean-counters, at least) was that the energy regen on the rear axle reduced the need for discs? Still weird 😆 Great to have the show back! Looks like a I have missed an episode (or two 😬) since this one came out, so it's a good thing I've got a few spare minutes this weekend to watch the new ones 😁

944S2 FTW. Inline, NA, 16 valves, THREE liters, no lag. 968 has variable timing for some extra hp, but looks dopey to me. REALLY good at (not especially) slow car, fast.

Jeeeeze....another episode of "The (there's absolutely nothing) Ambiguously Gay (about them) Duo". It's Season 3, Episode 4 of watching Papa Bear JC try to awkwardly seduce Toppor Bottom, the stern yet sensual cabin boy, and his teeth. Deeee-lish!!!!

this whole flogging the shit out of a slow thing works for motorcycles as well. MC22 CBR250RR. 1st gear, 10,000 rpm... look down... 30km/h. 8,000 rpm to go to shift to second... :D

So conclusion, you want best of E30, E36, E46 driving experience but lighter + exotic sportscar look, buy Z3 Coupe. Or, rather dont if you would not daily it hard, and would just play with values and keep it standing in the room.

Speaking of transporting cars on other cool cars: There's a custom built VW transporter, double cabin up front plus long bed welded together, that used to carry a whole Formula V (Formel Vau) race car - and is still used today (now with a later transporter engine) to carry an Enzmann 506 spider, also VW based. That's badass.

Nerdy nitpick here: the Chrysler Conquest was RWD, because it was a lazily rebadged Mitsubishi Starion. In either form though it’s one of the awesome affordable 2+2 sports cars that Jason pays tribute to all the time. There’s one by my work, it’s sick

DTS' explanation for why he might get so offended by "Jabronies" on the road is exactly how I explained it to my GF who said "for someone who likes driving you sure get mad a lot..." I feel you right down to the core on that one man 😅

Drums in the rear of the ID.4 and Q4 e-tron because with the regenerative braking and a majority of braking being done in the front, rear discs might well rust from non-use. At least, that's what I'll tell my prospective Q4 e-tron customers...

Obliviousness is indeed unforgivable! Individuals not aware of the situation they are in or the people surrounding them who are affected by their actions. (citizens who leave a shopping cart parked diagonally across an aisle and wander off) 🤦🏼‍♂️

Camissa: I want to buy a GMC square-body truck and put a 4 gen block. Cheaper, more reliable, manual, faster and cooler than a Syclone.

Toyota just dropped their 4 speed auto from the corolla in 2019, the Vitz in 2020, and the Yaris is still rocking that slush box.

Jason, the 300SL Gullwing and Roadster are definitely excellent 50's cars that drive way better than basically anything else from the same era.

R129….. mmmm I need to pick one up. I’m about to purchase a 99’ m3 convertible even though I hate convertibles lol.

Did anyone notice that the light fixture trim over DTS’s head, forming a halo, was absent on the light fixture over JC’s head? 🤔

So pumped you guys are in the same room together!!

When I was a 13 year old my best friends mom.. a slender beautiful italian sexy woman in a tight dress took me for a car ride in the mountains in her manual mercedes 190 convertible. My god. The car.. the leather...the woman. I will never get over it.

at 36:00 Hyphen is actually talking about Nintendo, Probably

"Dick dick penis cock haribo dick"... Nice episode boyz, very entertaining as usual Xoxo !

I love how you guys love alfa Romeo’s you’re the only auto journalists that talk about them besides The British top gear dudes

Cammisa, what's your beef with awd? Is it the complexity, weight, cost, bias, ??

Would you say the E39 I-6s are in the same class as the E46s and E38s in the sense of being a good experience?

HOO-FUCKEN-RAY about time, welcome back boys

Thank you for making more. Can you please do more revelations on JDM cars? Talk about why Honda refuses to team up with Mercedes, Porsche, and BMW

The best. And akshually, it’s pronounced: lack•RAUSH•keh

The Czinger is smoke and mirrors.

Downloaded so that I can listen to this on my drive at work.

I think the camera issue was retribution for saying Bronzit is the worst E30 color

Handling and quickness. Very few people use the top speed of their car. The holy grail is the feeling of being on the edge.

Offering to suck... to drive F40s

@jasoncamissa it would be a great idea to make a revelations episode about the original and mk4 supra

Fun fact: a metric ton of 1 dollar bills (usd) is $1,000,000.

love that the intended(i assume) hushed tone of the hand cover @ 16:01 ended up working like a megaphone lmao

DTS bought a MK7 and modified it? When is the next episode?

Jesus christ few things are as boring as discussion about how much cars are selling for.

I know you both are really busy, but please PLEEEEASE do more of these when y'all have time!

Y’all should buy a Lotus Emira for shits and giggles 😂

No one had any idea why I’m excited to hear that intro drop! For the record, I have friend, and no one still can explain why I got tears in my eyes. Thank you Mr. Cammisa and Mr. Hyphen.

6:52 I look away for a second, heard Jason say "are you fucking kidding me" and as I turned back, immediately got startled by the stern staring from these two

Having a ring on only one light bowl is bugging the hell out of me. Great to see a new video from Jason and Hyphen.

the A to: how did they fix all that (31min), they hired a German😁

So refreshing to hear that Hyphen and I have the same road rage issues!

Holy cow, together again! 288 GTO is my dream Ferrari since it was new.

Let’s dive into this hatred of American cars, Jason lol

Love to see this channel growing! Such a great source of quality motoring information!

So much satisfaction listening to Hyphen increasing his blood pressure by the second 🤣

Why am I not getting notifications about these!!!!

Is Cammisa gay? Its a fair (non-bigoted) question.

Good to see Sand Man and Mr. Hyphen back together.

Time to make a new Carmudgeon Show #now!

There are two dudes peering through window 😆

why are there so many security cameras in that room?

Yes to a GTI podcast next time!!

This was great, glad to have a new episode! You guys rule.

Your glass pendants are different.

Nice to see these 2 kids back together, lol

WAAAAAAAAAAAA WHEN ARE YOU GUYS COMING BACCCKKKK