WOW.. absolutely incredible surreal and amazing.. I am fortunate enough to live in Ecuador where we also have lots of archaeology .. I plan to visit Peru next year thats for sure.. Thanks for the great video
I visited Machu Picchu and Sacsayhuaman this year (and saw the elongated Inca skulls). I simply MUST return to experience Lake Titicaca, the Nazca Lines, etched rocks showing astrology and brain surgery, and so so so much more!!! This is a magical place.
@@josephw4830 if not post death you can tell which skulls people had lived post procedures around world. You must have meant Egyptian mummification only.
Caral - Supe looks like an awesome place to visit.. i bet the feeling of just walking around puts you in a mind set of the ancients letting you know just how special it must truly be..
I have traveled in Peru and it is a shame such a sacred people have been turned into a third world country we owe so much to the people who gave us the potato cultivated maze and beans and so much more most people never hear of Caral
He's right. The whole history of the human species is stored in our brains but we cannot open the files as we have forgotten the password. Only from time to time we have some strange 'dreams', visions, moments of stuper when we are transfered back in time (sometimes in the future) and we wonder what happens with us!?
That's because 'someone' keeps genociding humans. DNA experts tell us that we're all descended from 33 humans. Are they the ones who hid in a cave during the extermination...or were they the chosen ones to breed the next batch of humans in?
This is a must visit site if you're into this stuff, it's so well preserved and you're up close hearing silence, to the howling of wind at times the land which makes u think walking through, what was it really like at the time. When I went as of Nov. 2023 a guide said they've only uncovered approx 9% of the site which is insane because the valley and mountains where it's located is so vast, on top of the fact that there's another location by the sea called aspero which I didn't get to go into but drove there, is some 7 to 10 miles away (could be wrong on the distance). But just that it had nothing to do with the mountainous region. Amazing to think that at some parts of the site there were land squatters there previously just sitting on priceless history... Who knows during a heavy rain what could've surfaced and discarded because it wasn't understood.
I'm a proud Descendant of the Guayas Clan of the Chimuan Ethnic Group of South America just as the Caral, Supe, Chimor, Muchik, Pakatnamu, Sumpa, Puruha, Canari, Tumpi, Puna, Manta, Ichma, Callao, Engabao, Yunga, Chan, Colonchi, Chucuyunuri, Chongon, Asajmone, Isera, Muey, Pacoa, Pungai, Machala, Yaguachi, Tenguel, Balao, Jujan, Bucay, Sipan, Tosagua Clans are. Loctopanchi (Chimuan for Bye)!
I would love to visit these site--more than, say, Macchu Picchu. I wonder whether these are [part of?] the Peruvian civilization mentioned in the latter part of the book (a must-read!) "1491," which that author reckons to be the second oldest (full-attested) civilization in the world--younger than Sumer but older than Egypt?
30 years ago if you asked a scholar who the oldest civilization in the Americas were. They’d undoubtedly say the Olmec of Mexico. 30 years ago knowledge a civilization contemporary to the Pre-Dynastic Egypt and the Early-Sumerians was fledgling in Peru c. 3500 BC was unheard of. Pyramids in Peru dated to 2900 BC that’s almost too good to be true yet here it is who knows what else this world is hiding.
If you asked a scholar 30 years ago they would of mentioned ancient Sumeria and the Indus Valley. I highly doubt you could of asked a scholar such a question 30 years ago because you wouldn’t be talking this way now if you did.
If people migrated to the Americas at the end of the last ice age, 12,000 years ago, because sea levels were lower and ice sheets had melted enough to allow passage, why wouldn't those same conditions exist at the beginning of the ice age?
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-k68CVL8LCXw.html tienes mucha razon en el centro arqueologico ASPERO QUE ESTA A 25 KM DE CARAL EN PUERTO SUPE
People who can clearly see the different types of stone work know that there were ancient people who had great insights and technology before earth changes.
Poking around using Google Earth, if you cross the river and head downstream (towards the ocean) there is another one of those pyramids with a ring on it. Curious to know if anyone noticed it. There are a lot of older ruins around going up and down the river as well, including a few of those larger ruins that doesn't have a ring.
Those are the older sites. The initial samples taken from those adjacent areas indicate dates from 3500 BCE to 4500 BCE but that is only for the topmost layers of which 4 have been sampled but there are up to 15 layers below the ones that have been sampled included what seems to be enormous fused rock foundations.
At one and the same time Caral is described as an "advanced" civilization and a "pre ceramic" civilization. Can both statements be true? I thought ceramics were basic to civilization. How did these people store, transport and drink water? Did they have beer or wine? If so, how were they made without ceramics?
Water was stored in puquinas many of which were connected via subterranean aqueducts. for personal totting of water hollowed out gourds were used. Chicha (fermented drink) was also made in gourds and pouched animal skins.
I just finished reading graham hancock's lastest book re: the americas. Good reading, bogs down in some places with technical jargon. He not only tells his learned story of the American continent , perceived by his thousands of miles journeyed, the hundreds of interviews with local indigenous and archeologists/geologists, but also touches on how the science of archeology has/had been highjacked by elites, but is now being opened to other interpretations. This book contained information that I had never in my 15 years of armchair research had ever read about; yep my knowledge was expanded - i.e. blow my mind.
Just be careful your knowledge isn’t expanded by bullshit. Hancock’s just another pseudo historian like Van Daniken et al, who make plenty of money selling their pseudo archeological fantasies to naive, gullible folk who lap it up like lost sheep. He ain’t an idiot, he’s a charlatan.
@@johnscanlon7757 Hancock do cherry pick information to show things in line with his theories and avoid anything going against it which is not a great way of doing science. He isn't afraid of making things up either with zero evidence to back it up. So I am not impressed. We do know who built the great pyramid, in fact we do even know what many of the work teams who built it called themselves because they were rather happy to scribble it down. He talks a lot about a very advanced ice age civilization who after it's collapse moved all over the world spreading technology like agriculture but in all places agriculture popped up they used local plants to create crops instead of bringing it like happened during the age of exploration. Also, such an advanced civilization must have been able to read and write and yet the oldest writing we have is from Ur or possible the Danube valley at least 6000 years later. Something would have survived. If you were from Atlantis and built Göbekli Tepe we would expect to see some writing there. If an actual ice age civilization existed it would be far closer to Jericho and Catalahöyek instead, no writing, no pottery but they were still able to create small cities and I could easily buy such places existing before Jericho (9000 BCE), basically 2500 years before. 2500 years might sound a lot but it isn't that long and I can buy such evidence either have been flooded or are still lying under a hill somewhere. However, such a civilization is rather different from what Hancock describes. There are some evidence for it existing though, there is a 1000 year older temple with a town East of Göbekli tepe that have been excavated since 2019 and it might just be such a place (Source: www.aa.com.tr/en/culture/ancient-site-older-than-gobeklitepe-unearthed-in-turkey/1664156). So Hancock is kinda right that older unknown civilizations exist but he want them to be like Atlantis and that is not what the evidence tell us. You can't choose to ignore facts that doesn't work with your theories, that is just what Hancock accuses real archaeologists of. If I were trying to prove something like Hancock claims I would try to use genetics to prove that crops from the regions he claims were settled from his ice age civilization are related and find some written language that is at least 10 000 years because those would be smoking guns but he doesn't. likely because he himself doesn't believe such evidence exist. The oldest high technology city in the world is Ur, who had an administrative class, writing, taxes, laws and similar things. Written laws and exact taxes are very different from that whoever is in charge decide those things whenever he or she feels like it. In Catalhöyek it seems like no one was in charge even which is pretty confusing. I am all for challenging historians of their views but you can't just discard archaeological evidence because you don't like that they say. That is what those ancient aliens theorists claims and to me that is being lazy. You have to consider all the evidence and it is certainly true that historians can be pretty slow there, the Clovis first theory still have a few supporters even if it have been conclusively proven that people were in the Yucatan peninsula 21-23 000 years ago. 2 wrongs doesn't make a right though and a single case of problematica is not enough unless it is super convincing.
@@johnscanlon7757 That’s one of the oldest tricks in the fraudsters handbook. Seed your bs with little bits of truth and facts to build credibility and distract from the scam. He is really good at it and is a millionaire from selling books full of lies.
This is cool...I'm always intrigued to find this but as one person put it "when did archeology stop to care about facts and start pushing fairy tales or bs?" Honestly, I wish I had an answer to that question--there are so much that we claim to know but we don't truly know. There cold be older civilizations...there could be things that we never knew with civilization.
I think we have to distinguish between the scientific work done by actual archaeologists and the way it‘s presented to the wider public in documentaries. Developing theories to later prove or disprove is part of the scientific process, but often documentaries portray theories as facts. So the fault isn‘t necessarily with the archaeologists, but rather with the media for simplifying everything in order to make it more presentable.
@@alexk7973 Also, they mostly only present 1 theory and act like other ones dont exist. Fall of Civilizations talks about their sources in detail and their validity in their documentary and also shows present theories and lets the viewer give multiple interpretation if there is lack of proof by both historical records and archeological findings. Hope more docs be like them
You can’t determine de age of a civilization by the pottery you find around it. Caral is at least 12,000 years old and so are the pyramids in the Giza complex
Nope, it's the opposite. Stone working techniques and architecture progressed from pre-civilized times, then, continued with the rise of urban centers like Caral-Supe , the Moche, Chimu, Tiwanaku, Nazca and others. and were at their zenith with the Inca, when the Spaniards invaded. Many of the ancient lost disappeared advanced civilization theorists assert that the most advanced came first ( in line with the idea that the knowledge of a lost culture, Like Atlantis, is responsible for the megalithic work ) and subsequent generations became less able or motivated to do refined craftsmanship. With any knowledge of the progression of skill with architecture that occurred with the pre-Columbian cultures in meso-America, it can be clearly seen that the Aztec, who, like the Inca, had learned from previous urban civilizations and were at their pinnacle when Cortez and his conquistadors showed up.
Glad to learn of Caral but I can't agree it is "The oldest civilization in the Americas." There is such a stark difference between the crude upper stonework of the Incas and the precise megaliths of the lower levels they were built upon that they must have been built by separate peoples far separated in time. Who were those ancient builders and what wiped out their skilled stoneworking technology that should otherwise have been passed down to the Inca empire? Were there civilizations flourishing in the now undersea areas off the present-day coast that were suddenly inundated when sea-level rose some 400 feet at the end of the last ice age? I suspect there were and that underwater archaeology will bring them to light.
Couldn't agree more. But we need a smoking gun to convince the mainstream authority. As blatantly obvious as it is to us all that the megalithic stone walls throughout Peru and all over the world for that matter make the more modern work look pedestrian, it still does not convince the mainstream. Well, it probably does but will threaten grant money if they dared stray from the dogma and indoctrinated bullshit they have been feeding us for decades.
Well said. Another thought is that those earlier civilizations (megalithics all over the world) are no longer here, either died off or have gone elsewhere.
Go to FYE they should have CD's of Aztec flute music.. it's amazing to listen to.. we saw members of an Aztec circle here in FL a few yrs ago bought their CD then went to FYE & found more.. extremely relaxing & haunting..
It's music from a very popular Peruvian group known as Alborada which includes native Peruvian notch flute, Peruvian panpipes, and other pan-native wind instruments. It is NOT Aztec flute music as Sharon suggested. There were no Aztecs in Peru. She's on the wrong continent lol. Here's a link to some Alborada music - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-b8JRlBUROq8.html
They probably used hand gestures and drew things in the dirt to communicate even before they they had a sophisticated oral language. Like all ancient hominids.
@@joeman425 False the natives are actually today. Those back then nearly went genocide with their home countries. The aboriginals of this day only have those ties. Some natives much much closer to your time have made some influence.
I would have to disagree with you, because the native dna in most people who take dna test today is still pretty high, in local areas. Certain parts are higher than others, just go watch some dna videos, Central Americans average about 50 percent native, Mexicans do as well, South Americans im not too sure, so the narrative that all the natives almost died out can be partly true depending on the region.
There will be photos of all our civilisations. Just got to get the albums out the spaceships. Which, if they come here now, have done for ages I’ll bet. Anyway good comment.
The video tells us very little about the civilization, their culture, or even what the people called themselves. Presumably there is still much to learn. At least part of the purpose of the video appears to be marketing, to inspire tourism by comparing Caral-Supe with Egypt or Sumeria. There simply aren't enough artifacts or facts yet. Except for hard-core anthropologists, it looks like a tough sell.
What is the time it takes a spur or arm of the galaxy to move around from one site in space and back to that same (actually never as the galaxy is moving)side as it started from? That place of the galaxy as it sweeps along moves from a more or less known space into areas not encounter before? I ask because in the time it takes for earth to encounter or become near enough to an occupied near alien world , remain within nearness, and allow an alien presence to travel and influence an ancient earth. After a time the earth would then move onward or to far from that alien world for the alien to remain on earth. Maybe some aliens were caught and had to remain on earth and become our legends as we hear of ,
🌄 I couldn't agree more w/what Graham and Giorgio exclaim about our amnesia, but I think maybe bonked on the noggin a couple times... We really have to reignite the child like curiosity and appreciate just simple amazing things we are discovering w/out prejudging and stupid ego about who's right + who's wrong. How about a clean slate, maybe ✌🏞🎶🌌🎸🌟🤘🌈⛥🎵🏛😎✨
Those idiots who think the Egyptians built the first structures are the second ones who think we are one of the few civilizations we are one of many and we are not advanced I think we have taken steps back
@@williambernardfranco8153 Dear Wm: You are mistaken. We are part of the 4th Civilization only. The Adamic; the Jaredites; The Nephites; and our current civilization. The Adamic is from the biblical Genesis and only lasted 602 years, Genesis from Chapter 5-12 is not correctly translated; The Jaredites (Book of Mormon) lasted about 2,530 years. The Jaredites colonized throughout our solar system; the Nephites (Book of Mormon) lasted about 1000 years;
@@bobbiusshadow6985 The Olmecs? You are on the wrong continent and the Caral-Supe arose as a civilazation thousands of years before the Olmecs existed.
Very doubtful there is any connection between the Caral-Supe (Peru) and the Havasupi (Grand Canyon USA) considering that the Caral-Supe were a very sophisticated civilization 5000 years ago thousands of miles away where as the Havasupi were a more of a nomadic descendant of Clovis people still living in teepee's by the 1800's. The Havasupi look like most other Clovis decent people of the southwestern United States where as the Caral-Supe are very distinct looking and their actual lineage as currently being hotly debated since it contradicts much of what has been taught by mainstream historians about ancient Peru. What we do know is that the descendants of the Caral-Supe people such as the Nazca and Pachacamac people share DNA with the people of ancient southern Ukraine in the Crimea region (and the Ainu people of pre-Asian Okinawa) as well as one particular strain of DNA which does not match up to any other group of Humans to the point that they are being given their own designation now of Homo Sapiens Sapiens Paracas.
They clearly learnt that engineering technology from the people they considered to be "Ancient" during the time of Caral-Supe. Find the source of where that engineering started and the civilization who created it
Several reasons, all centered around status, group acceptance and adhering to the permitted paradigms of humanity's past. "Forbidden archeology" is out there however, but always laughed at by the "Professionals".
@@Xiccarph1 I doubt ANY of psyence's explanations address anything real -especially anything having to do history or truth. Every war today is a fabrication and manipulation of public view. Seems to me, they want to make us think we are small, insignificant and worthless - while they plans new, creative ways, to KILL US OFF.
Isn't it obvious? There were very powerful forces in use by many ancient cultures, the weak explanations for things that don't add up are numerous. Knowledge is power and it is flaunted in the open as they find it so easy to lie endlessly virtually without challenge from ordinarys. Sheeple just accept the lies, preoccupied by countless distractions like politics, materialism and social conflicts stoked by the media. If avg folks knew the cosmic power they possess, chaos would ensue for the "elites"
Why hide our history? Can you possibly be that naive? I can think of a hundred reasons why someone may wish to hide an archeological discovery. You can't think of one reason? Not very bright.
I wonder how they can state as fact that the musical instruments were used for religious celebrations.Why not for entertainment. Also, how do they know that certain dwelling places were for the leaders? It seems to that other than the physical remains, anything else in pure assumption.
why do we always look at prehistory from a European Mideastern lens, we view ancient American people differently, they built roads, irrigation systems, buildings and had a working calendar and artwork but when we depict these people they look like the american indian of the old western films long hair headbands in loin cloth standing around a fire, didn't they have homes to go to, and why would a civilized people have open fires in their cities, maybe we rethink how these people really lived and interacted
Because other cultures did not have much actual knowledge.....whilst they may have been beautiful in their own unique ways, our culture is vastly superior to any other that has ever come before. Would you try to interpret the dynamics of flight from an Aztec point of view? If you do then you will just fail to understand how flight actually works. This might sound arrogant and elitist, but it is also true.
Looks like the construction is from rubble; this is relatively recent since it is crude; the trend is that the older the rock constructions the more intricate. Caral looks like a re-settlement.
Or repairs. Clearly two different skill levels were involved. The older stone work is much more impressive, as we would most certainly not be able to recreat today.
People have been devolving; not evolving. We made all this amazing stuff, but lack wisdom. We take all that accumulated knowledge of making great things that inspire, but make utilitarian buildings, instead. We are admiring civilizations we're told were advanced, socially, though not all those "noble savages" were AS noble as we're taught. Having a close-knit homogenous society helps people cate for each other in some ways, but not others. Some attacked other villages, like those Columbus took as slaves after terrorizing the tribe originally in the Dominican Republic/Cuba island. What about inbreeding amongst isolated tribes? You have to think that is happening. That can't help the minds of a people advance.
In Caral what was dated was the Shicra bags, ornanic material underneath the pyramids. This is as solid as it gets. What's at the bottom preceeds what is on top.
It is certainly a step down from the sort of building work in Cuzco or the Titicaca area. And most likely younger, as well. This valley was still cultivatable in the conquistador era, whereas the Altiplano has been too high elevation to grow grain crops, for at least 5000 years.
"Ancient Peruvians" sounds a bit strange though. Since Peru is covering a verry big part of South America as we know it these days. Nowadays we know the people as Peruvians, because they're all living in their country, called Peru. And which covers all of this area. But hundreds and thousands years ago this same area was devided by a lot of diffrent civilisations and cultures. Like the Lima's, Nazca's, Chachapoyas, Inca's etc. Just to name a few. But nonetheless, verry interesting!
But the civilization is actually the same, a single cultural development. Today we call Egypt by that name and Greece by that name and we have no problem saying Egyptians or ancient Greeks, so why not Peruvians?
@@etchalaco9971 Well, there're actually "Greek" people who have proplems with the name "Greek" and they prefer to call themselves Hellenes. Same is with the Greek language btw.
I personally think when the earth’s land mass was “Pangea” there were humans, mankind or men/women that were all living on it and that’s why these civilizations are all so similar...
Who says humans couldn’t have existed? Dinosaur were dumb and humans are very intelligent and could’ve easily survived... There is no explanation on how people of Kemet were all over the earth before any race of people...
Michael Harrison because humans evolved from mammals. Mammals were able to evolve in any significant way besides small rodent sized creature until the dinosaurs that filled the niches were extinct. If that asteroid hadn’t hit earth mammals wouldn’t have become the dominant species on earth because there would have been way too much competition from dinosaurs
and this video seems to resemble by appearance of the picture quality some work of the early 90's, what if we has known about this back in elementary school
The fact this city existed is awesome! The reasons it was buried on purpose is beyond me! Why try to hide it under mountains of rocks and dirt intentionally?
Another interesting thought is that the Sahara desert used to be a lush tropical paradise. If we evolved in Africa right below the Sahara desert, the first place we would’ve gone is that paradise. And it would’ve been fertile. And people are smart. If there was a civilization older than Mesopotamia that is where it would be. Now buried underneath the desert. Just an interesting thought and maybe a good discussion starter
Yes however one of the researchers said its impossible to be from the time when the stone rings were in use so he thought the mercury was accidentally left behind by miners from centuries ago. What he didn't explain though is why the mercury was only found within the channel of the stone ring if it was an accident.
With respect, these carals that do not master megalithic construction at all, they are certainly not the oldest civilization. They are just survivors with amnesia of the pre flood high civilization.
In Caral what was dated was the Shicra bags, organic material underneath the pyramids. This is as solid as it gets. What's at the bottom preceeds what is on top.
There is a 'stargate' in Caral and I know this before knowing what's Caral and where it is as I was there with my quantum replica, we all have, when I was a teenager. We ALL travel in time and space but as it happens in state of consciousness we are not inclined to analyze these 'dreams' with sound logics - we think that these are traces and combinations of segments of our every day material life. Yes, some of our dreams are quite earthly (don't know why but I never had such) but there are dreams where we ALL open doors to other realities. One day physicist, biophycists, geneticians, historians etc. should tell us sories.
@Baltimorean Adventures raw unedited content In your pockets, search carefully, though some people put it in their socks to avoid the raids of pickpockets.
Dreams explain something and every dream needs to be carefully read/ analysed... If you for instance dream of animals it tells you something If you dream of violence for instance you being shot at or attacked but don't see blood in your dream means you escaped it or so on & so on.. Keep an animal as your pet a bird/chicken or a dog or something alike a turtle or lizard because negative energies tent to harm or attack those / them ( animals) first Dream of animals a lot means you might for instance return as one of those or an other animals Dream of humans often for instance means you might return to earth as a human It is not easy to explain.. The power of positivity is overwhelming and much more positive energy/ energies surrounds us humans no a day. Good day
Some of those ruins are supposed to be pyramid bases. I do not understand why the world over the ancients had such a love affair with these structures. They are huge, with no apparent use.
@John Minshull Oh, they function, most definitely. You will, however, have to did a lot deeper if you want to understand more of their purpose. Academia has withheld the purpose for control reasons.
stephan dreamweaver yes I agree. And possibly South America didn’t have flooding like the northern hemisphere. We’ve been anatomically the same for at least 180,000 years, so.......
Been saying this for years man we alot older than we know thats why people cant say the first civilization no more there was probably civilization before the ice age
Stop implying your assumptions are fact. just admit you don't know.you can't look at the indigenous peoples today and claim that's how I was in antiquity.
Love how they say things they could not possibly know and present it as fact. Like how they say it was all accomplished by and based around controlling people through religion. What is there evidence of that besides how religion controls people now and in the more recent past.
What was the oldest civilization in America prior to this discovery? What happens when we find even older areas? I wish speculation wouldn't be presented as factual??
