I’ve seen that clip. I don’t think she was laughing at male suicide. She was laughing at the idea that Parliament doesn’t have the opportunity to discuss male suicide. I still think she was wrong and it’s right for her to clarify matters and apologise for leaving the impression that she was laughing at male suicide. But stating she that she was laughing at male suicide is an unfair claim.
@@christopherflux6254 i agree , she didnt laugh at male suicide but at this time you can find the clip of her talking on a stage about Corbyn , she was asked why dd she stab him in the back, she joked she would happily stab him in the front if he was there , i found that as distasteful as carls "joke" and we would all do well to start being a little better
She's the victim of a pervasive ideology. Carl is a victim of pervasive ideology. Both are threatened by the most pervert ideology based on the least compassionate aspects of humanity.
@@hereticalgames3695Nonsense. People like Jess blame innocent people for their own crimes all the time and win both in the court of public opinion and in actual courts. Apologizing only makes it easier for her to win in both, not harder
Tommy Robinson nailed it in his interview with Jordan Peterson: "if you fight back against one muslim man, you take on the entire tribe". At the root, the free world is individualist, and the East is collectivist.
They always suffer from their own ideolog, it will continue and get worse and its nothing they don't deserve imo. They deserve to live in the Muslim country they clearly want.
@@AethelwulfOfNordHymbraLand2333 he knows not to apologise to the left. he knows you never ever backpedal, apologise and give in. I think he’s playing a long game hopefully 🤞🏼
Carl is acting like a naughty school boy, after being taken by the ear and put before the head master. Toxic trout Philips will just see this as and enemy surrendering.
We shouldn't forget she laughed at the idea of men needing rights to protect them against domestic violence... no apologies to her or her masculine jawline...
Carl isn't apologizing for some made up, gotcha claim made against him. He's come to an independent conclusion about the morality of his actions, not caving to an attempt to cancel him. In short, he's doing this for Carl Benjamin, his children and for his community.
The difference was as night and day, when Jess Philips was interviewed about Carl's remarks she answered with a shit eating smirk on her face, now however, when commenting on the intimidation used against her in and her people in the recent general election, she looked like she was ready to throw up. That wasn't fake offence, that was real fear. And if anyone should be apologising it should be Tony Blair.
@@jamesrichards2442 NPC's are not accountable for their actions, you clearly believe this woman has more agency in the world than I accredit her for. Well, good for you, you have not descended to the level of cynicism that I have. That genuinely makes you the better person.
@@breaghboo-gc7ub there is more to why he should’ve stayed the course it was 8 years ago, Jess milks it for gain and will still do so after this despite not being scared, she won’t accept it, Carl is not responsible for this harshening as he warned against this so he has no reason to feel newly guilty
@@androidoficeandfire9667 He knows this. I think he’s trying to play the angle of being the ‘better man’ to get into mainstream politics and play the long game, rather than standing on just being correct. I think it’s strategic.
And you dont see how this would actually make Jess look bad? Youre seeing this through the lens of beating someone in an argument, but that isnt how Carl is viewing it, and as someone who found his joke crass and not as bad as JP and the media represented it, I see this as a major good move by Carl.
@@oliverwortley3822 maybe but in that arena you need to be even more resistant to apologising when you know they only want your submission If Carl felt new guilt then absolutely apologise but I don’t think he should
He is not apologising to "the left", he's apologising to one woman. Carl's demonstrating how a decent man behaves, by apologising when he believes an apology is right, but not apologising out of cowardice or to appease a woke mob.
Bullshit if you fuck up take responsibility and prove your growing dont be like the left and assume your right regardless that will never fix things eventually blood will be spilt on both sides until nothing is left and the real enemy can waltz right over your corpses
Nope. And there is a school of thought that Frankie Boyle is hiding in plain sight, like all the others at the bbc. He wasn’t kicked off channel 4 for no reason. I would lay bets on Frankie being exactly what he has always said he is.
Took King Alfred 25 years to get rid of England's foreign invasion when six of the seven English kingdoms were controlled by foreigners. Carl is a Wessex man like me. I'm ready to join the fyrd as soon as he calls the witan!
@@blueberrymcphuckerson9821 I’m assuming he thinks that Carl sees a prominent member of the Labour Party starting to wake up to the Islamist threat and can therefore become a future ally.
I'm guessing it's part of a larger strategy to make himself mainstream politics viable as the right continues to rise and doors open for him to push his politics.
He's not so much apologising, as calling for peace. I suspect he sees the trajectory of mainland britain looking more like the troubles of northern ireland.
Fucks sake, what is the point in this? She's such a horrible woman you had every right to be pissed off and rude to her. Now this just looks like you think shes right. Its not honourable to apologise when you weren't wrong.
It is about doing the right thing and showing we are better. Think of how rape survivors felt about that joke. We have to show we are better if we are better.
@@catherinehume9193Considering most of them are violated by the lefts imports, (3000% increase since 2014). I dont imagine they give a shit about Carls words.
Notwithstanding the fact that the vile woman deserves no such apology, the righteous man should always take the high ground. Well done Carl, in putting the developed version of you forward. The world does need a family man version of Andrew Tate, for young men to move their world view into as they grow.
By election for reform. I'm sure he was told to do this, but he does seem sincere, and tbh he should apologize. It was a nasty thing to say and we should be above our opponents not seek to their level.
Agreed, hes getting rid of this one before they fuckin on and on about it. I've followed this man since gamer gate. It would be amazing to see him in parliament and Tommy left the fuck alone.
@@normiedeathsquad40 Nah I think he wants interviews with Nigel and other reform candidates who’ve shunned him. Carl is genuinely underrated on the right, its time we actually unite and build our strength.
"All right we'll have the bad man on our show but we'll do it in an incredibly echo-y room with drab walls where you can see the power sockets so the regular normie will be discouraged from watching"
Nah I don't think so mate. Carl is a big beast to these guys and they'll make as much hay with this video as they can. I think the choice of studio was a mistake though. I much prefer the sofas by the fireside asthetic whatever the topic.
Good for him. It would be nice to see Jess also apologise for her misandrist comments, her open laughter at male suicide and the many insults she's hurled at Benjamin. I didn't agree with Carl's comment when he made it, but it didn't come out of nowhere. That one definitely took two to Tango.
@@Jo-sp5cpHe always did. Apologizing for something that he did that wasn’t wrong is just cucked himself out to the left and to the dirty smear merchant media. Now that he’s admitted that he did was wrong, even though it wasn’t, they will take it as an opportunity to strike harder and press their attack further when the time comes. It’s literally just more ammo for them. Gestures of grace towards a foe that will never, ever reciprocate, is indistinguishable from an act of submission and capitulation to them. Because it pretty well is. Sargon’s talked about this for years. We’ve seen numerous examples of why this doesn’t turn out well. This was beyond stupid tactically, and morally nothing more than empty grandstanding to a foe that will only use it the more against him. Beyond foolish.
@@Jo-sp5cp No he doesn't. He is now not only the guy that said the bad thing but a bad guy that admitted he was a bad guy. The left has been running the same playbook unabashedly for the past decade and even longer in a lesser degree. How have you not noticed? How are your wits so slow?
So much for never apologise. This is a strategic decision because he a) fears retribution, b) wants to set himself up in politics, and c) is setting up a trap - if she doesn't accept she looks bad.
MPs have been murdered in your country in recent years, which as an Australian I find shocking. Jess Philips is clearly in danger from her own constituents.
Which one? - Insulating self from reprimand if she's subject to political sectarian violence - trying to get in Peter Hitchen's good books - trying to make himself acceptable to mainstream media - trying to re-enter mainstream politics (reform MP) - reducing the grudge Jess Phillips will have given her new power and influence All are good reasons. Which do you think it is?
Well done Carl for being the bigger person. The moral landscape of our country has degraded in so many ways, and this is one way that it can be improved.
@@januarysson5633no because she can’t touch him for a hurty word.He knows if someone said the same thing to his daughter or mother then he wouldn’t like it.He has grown upto be a gentleman .A defender of the vulnerable 👍🏻
The apology is it's at very little cost. It's five years after the fact, there's no public pressure to apologise, so there's less sense of having capitulated. Everyone knows there's nothing to apologise for, it was always cynical faux outrage, but we also know that Phillips would bring it up again whenever useful, as she recently did when Truss appeared on LE. The apology takes away a lot of her (and others') power to do that in future, as doing so would make her look increasingly petty.
Correct. Weird to see so many in the comment section apear to not see what Carl is doing here and act like the tone in online political discourse is still the same as in 2018.
@MisterFluffyBags Taking responsibility for jokes? Give over, adults go "oh that's funny" or "oh that's not funny" and then move on with no need for an apology. Maybe when you grow up you might realise that.
@@yolanda8563 I'm not getting dragged into an argument over this one because it's just going to take you time and experience. I honestly wish the best of luck to you with this one. You'll get it in the end.
Carl is older, more mature and responsible than he was eight years ago. It's perfectly reasonable in a time where rhetoric has massively increased in hostility and lead to several attacks on and even killing of MPs, that he would want this sort of speech off his conscience. It speaks to his character to apologise. Whether Jess Phillips apologises for the vile things she has said is irrelevant to Carl's apology; it is up to her and speaks to her character if she chooses to do the same.
Maybe that's one of the reasons he's apologising? He realises that she'd now going through an awakening so better to make amends and become allies? Additionally, he's almost certainly planning to stand as an MP......
It would be great to have Jess on the show so that she could be asked to apologise for laughing at male suicide rates, as I found this far more disgusting than the joke Carl made
Really GBNews?! A 45 minute interview where Carl raises very important & very valid issues that are currently affecting our politics & country & the title of the video is simply, "Carl Benjamin apologises to Jess Phillips"?! Do you really not care about the points raised by Carl & others like him? Disappointing!
Yeah I know it was only a crude joke, something we've all done about our political opponents in the past. I think he's grown enough to know it's about setting a better example. It's not the worst "crime" in the world, but it shouldn't tarnish his other work which is usually done to a very high standard. He's a good man and I do genuinely want to see Jess Phillips on Podcast of the Lotus Eaters so a civil conversation can be had on UK politics.
@@breaghboo-gc7ub I despised her, but after that election night I kinda feel sorry for her. I think it could be an awakening for her, shes finally seen what weve been warning about.
Good lord never take advice from Peter Hitchens. He’ll just endlessly grouse and grumble, doesn’t matter what you do. Import sectarian conflicts and shockingly you get a sectarian conflict.
I'm impressed with Carl's growth as a person. I've been following him since gamergate and I used to really enjoy his "edgy" humor, but as I've gotten older I've changed and I appreciate watching my favorite content creator grow as well.
Yes Carl was rude and insulting to Jess Phillips but that's not what she accused him of and it's not what she wants an "apology" for. In fact she doesn't even care about whether Carl apologises or not because the whole point was to DEFAME him! She won when the media {incl. the so-called Right Wing Media such as the Daily Mail and Peter Hitchens} decided to ignore all the context and take the accusation as fact! Peter Hitchens was utterly wrong in that discussion with Carl, because his entire argument was premised on Jess Phillips accusation being true!
I am a Christian . An old school " thou shalt not murder " one. You keep turning that other cheek, and Christianity will be dead and buried in less than 100 years.
To anyone misunderstanding this; Carl has done the virtuous & astute move here and is trying to be the better example. This is an apology to one person, how Jess Phillips responds will show what type of person she is.
Well done Carl for being the bigger person, I wouldn't hold my breath for a response let alone an acceptance. She will no doubt be cynical, she was guilty of laughing at male suicide and even during her recent experiences, she just attributes her abuse to being from men only, nothing to do with ideology or anything else.
Agreed. I don't rate Phillips as a person or a politician. The left have encouraged muslim immigration and tried to manipulate muslims to vote for them. That short lived arrangement is now over. Muslims have their own agenda and the native Brits will come to realise they will not be playing the leading role.
He's a coward that is doing political theatre to future proof any future plans to run politically. My guess is he'll try to run as a Reform candidate. Wouldn't be surprised if this has already been floated.
@@The_Comedian556 carl is an idiot and a fool for apologizing for something that wasn't wrong in the first place. and bending the knee only corrupts the person,
Carl knows and is wise enough to never, ever, ever apologise, give in, back-pedal and say sorry to the left - ever. Even if you were actually wrong, and actually mean it. So I wonder what game he’s playing. Trying to become a Reform MP? god bless.
Judging by how much he's simping, I think he's trying to become a Tory MP. He actually spoke about the Conservative Party being the only viable option in an older video.
@@johnnyjohn-johnson7738 He was fully on board with them having zero seats. I'd be so disappointed if he did, the Tories can not be trusted. They will try and find excuses on how they'll totally fix things next time. They won't. Carl has actually been very critical about the Tories recently.
@@frishter Maybe he wants "zero seats" so he would have less competition for his proposed "long march through the Conservative Party". I don't think he had any faith in Reform until recently when he saw how surprising well they did. I forgot the name of the video, but in one he encouraged his followers to join the Tories and get into positions of leadership because he (at least then) saw the two party system as the only way. I'd give him some credit and say that if he were in charge of the Tories it would be an improvement, but his simp like attitude in this video indicates that he's at risk of catching their cuckservative mindset. Pretending to be moderate and making concessions to play the long game only works for the left, because doing so pushes the cultural overton window so far that it would make a true right inevitable unelectable because acting like a simp (even if it's as a means to an end) normalizes that way of thinking. And the left would say "Hey chuds! even Carl Benjamin the conservative extraordinaire is on board with us on this issue, so you're stepping way out of bounds and should just be locked up!".
@@johnnyjohn-johnson7738 ‘respectability’, backside kissing, prostrating yourself, playing along, humiliating yourself, going along with the narrative is all extremely important to the establishment and the mainstream media. I’m hoping he’s playing along to play the long game and be subversive.
@@CatchmeIfucan-fo2hf A black shirt's never a good look, or brown. If in doubt, and you're a certain age, just dress like Jeremy Clackson, or Ben Fogle (if you're posh).
@@AndyKirkpatrick50You're right to point out the blazer. The colours I wouldn't say are too jarring, just the way it makes his arms look very small, and his frame on the whole slight.
Listen, I get this move Carl, but she'll never accept the same level. She'll never accept that her politics has actually allowed this level of sexism to perforate British Politics. That's accountability, and she is incapable of it.
Perhaps Carl sees a common bond forming with Jess on seeing how she was treated recently. A bridge between left and right against a common extremist enemy.
Jess Philips used Twitter to attack and belittle a young working class lad for simply wearing the Flag of St George on his back while walking home from the footy. I have no respect for her and wish nothing but failure for her going forward. -Melbourne AU
@@jaz093 I don't see it transactionally. If Carl now believes he did something wrong - to anyone - he's right to apologise. That's one difference between relative and absolute morality.
Carl is doing what the wokesters would never do and that is apologise and admit he was wrong without worrying about the idea that this might give the other side ammunition and show weakness, he has done it because he has principles and thinks it is important to show these principles
Those who strictly adhere to their principles are, historically, slaughtered by those who either have no principles, or are willing to toss them aside in order to win.
When we are in the wrong, we apologise. Jordan Peterson said do not apologise if you have done nothing wrong. Carl has said why he has apologised, being a father of boys is one reason.
Ha ha ha ha!!! You guys agreed with Sargon’s jokes then when he clucks out you lot lower your tails and do what you’re told making you all clucks in one gooooooooo!!!! 🐥🐥🐥🤣😂😂😭
He gave the reasons within the first four and half minutes but I also think there's a possibility he sees a potential ally that can be turned away from her present ideological position.
It's about setting a better standard, and repenting for any contribution to a toxic political atmosphere. Not only that, it would actually be nice to hear Jess and Carl have a proper civil conversation without mud-slinging.
Because wrong is still wrong even if it’s against your worst enemies. A conservative cannot defend those comments as they undermine key conservative principles such as respect for autonomy, family values and law n order. They were the comments of a thug, not a conservative. Thankfully he’s grown up and apologised.
He has grown up,I doubt she has with the things she says on a regular basis however he would not want someone to say that to the women & children in his life.Carl knows the danger facing women and girls & he obviously knows about the children groome d
Taking advice from Peter Hitchens is a terrible idea right now. There is no good reason to apologise to the left, it will only make things worse. They won't change their opinion of you, they'll just use it as evidence of wrongdoing.
Also, the word Incel should be considered sexist and misandrist, because speaking as a Woman, the opposite would be, well, the word is so awful I don't think RU-vid will let me say it, and any Man who does say is, is condemned. Some Men struggle when it comes to dating, in fact many Women struggle, we should not shame people for this and label them with insults, also 90% of the time when a Man is referred to as an Incel, it's always assumed, unless the person has openly come out and said it, then it's nobody's business. P.S. I have 2 sons, both in their 20's, what they do in the bedroom is not my business, but if anyone referred to them as an Incel, and used it as an insult, I'd lose my temper, we often hear phrases like "stop sexualising Women", well the same rule should apply both ways. EDIT: I'll never understand how a link can be made between virginity and political views.
it's one of the words that just becomes "i do not like you, therefor you are bad". the worst thing about the actual online communities that identify with the label get raided by trolls that make the environment toxic or more toxic.
@@mistahsusan2650 I actually did some research on it, as I didn't even realize that there were people that would be open about it, and I saw a video on it (I can't share the link), where this young man with his face blurred was talking about his struggles with being an incel, and as Carl said in the above video "we should help these people", because when they don't receive help, get told their toxic etc, who are they going to turn to? They will turn to genuine misogynistic Men, older Men, who will mentor them to be like them. But I don't think it's right, to look at someone who is on the Right/Conservative leaning, who possibly has Autism, possibly lacks confidence, and say "your an Incel". Speaking as a Woman, the issue we have is filtering, some Women can filter the good from the bad, some can't, so to be impartial I don't think that it's ever right to shame a Women for her past, you could say "she is not my type", but shaming her, that's wrong, and I don't think show's like the Whatever Podcast help Women (despite myself agreeing with what the Men say on it). EDIT: With the ladies on the Whatever Podcast, the Women aren't coming their to be helped or get advice, they are coming on to defend their lifestyle, that's why the show in my opinion doesn't work, the alternative would be an Incel defending that he is an Incel to Men who aren't and is stubborn to take any advice, he's going to get made fun of.
2019 Carl: "I'm not going to apologise for my crimes against political correctness" 2024 Carl: "I do hope she accepts my apology..." Bro... what happened.
Lotuseaters start to get serious traction and garner attention in political circles. They are being noticed and listened to. And not just by us shizo randos on the internet anymore. They could become seriously influencial, Kingmakers in a sense, setting the tone and pace of british politics on the right. But for them to further establish, they- WE need to further "professionalise" and shed unnessecary baggage, which the Phillips-Joke is one of. Enough time has passed since that incident, internet discourse NOTICEABLY changed in the last 2 years and at that point that joke is just a liability. And it plays positively towards Carl and negatively towards Jess if she refuses to accept and continues to yap about it. Dont sweat it. Its just a shift in tone, not politics. He's still the same, but we must stop playing dumb internet games. It's not 2015 anymore. Kekistan will not be a thing. It's getting serious out there and if our arguments are to have any pull, we MUST start to act at least like half way grown-ups.
