Carl says he sleeps really well at night knowing he went out of his way to set Lindsay up to have production literally get her over for a breakup scene ambush. Carl is a tool.
Lindsey really lives in an alternate universe. Not saying Carl is perfect by any means. But we can literally see her demean and disrespect him and mind you, she did the same thing to her supposed BFF last year! This is her MO - she needs some serious reflection and growth.
Noone... she doesn't offer fertility to a relationship.. what's the point of a first marriage after 40? Men's incentive to marry is starting a family with a woman. If you can't offer that and are ALSO a head strong obnoxious argumentive feminist.. what do you offer to a marriage? ZERO. She's not pretty enough to have this obnoxious a personality. You need to be insanely gorgeous to be THAT unreasonable.
Lindsay makes it clear as the friendship is forming that that's what she expects. I feel bad, Gabby's kinda stuck now. If she wavers one bit, Lindsay will attack.
Carl seems to be handling this remarkably mature- likely because he’s sober. Lindsay has proven to be a mean drunk and isn’t someone I would have in my friend group…and until now most of the other girls in the house didn’t seem to like her either. 🤷♀️
I wish Kyle would bring the same energy to his relationship that he brings to him and Amanda. He acts as though they're perfect together when they probably shouldn't have married either. It also bothers me that Carl is being painted as the victim when he knew who Lindsey was and pursued her anyway. It takes two people to be in a relationship.
I agree I really wanted them two to work out :c I saw a lot of disrespect between Carl and Lindsey but I saw more love too . I think Carl is also scared of commitment and Lindsey I think needs to stop drinking. I hope they atleast remain friends 😢
@@okiokioki1593I agree with your comment but I truly believe what Carl did to Lindsay was absolutely horrible. Lindsay and Carl had talked about Carl's job and all he did was complain to Lindsay about how much she hated working for Kyle and loverboy saying that Kyle took advantage of him, that he was being made to work too many hours, and that he wasn't getting paid enough money but Lindsay told him no matter what and she also said this on the reunion that he could not just walk out on his friend Kyle who had helped him in his time of need when he was so coked up out of his head and he didn't even know what he was doing but Kyle still allowed him to work there and Lindsay told him it was only fair that Carl tell Kyle why he was unhappy and to see if they could fix it but under no circumstances was Carl to quit his job without having another job and what did Carl do he called Kyle and told him he was done working for him and I don't blame Lindsay for being upset because she knew right then and there she would have to be taken care of Carl and Carl had absolutely no problem for not working for well over a year and almost 2 years while he was sitting around bragging about it and getting high everyday all day long but people seem to be forgetting about that because remember Carl promise that he was completely sober and was not California sober and told his mom and stepdad the same thing but he lied to all of them !! When Carl and Lindsay got married when they all went out to the bar in the Hamptons And Lindsay walk down to the dock and ask Carl how much weed he had spoke that day and Carl said none I knew right then and there he was lying because they immediately left the bar and got in an argument in the Uber and the very next day when they went to the beach Carl is the one that asked to talk to Lindsay and he apologized for his behavior the night before and he said he would not act or treat her like that anymore !! I don't understand why people are not seeing exactly what Carl did to Lindsay and I truly believe he had it all planned out and he was living his best life not doing a damn thing or having any responsibilities but now watching Carl blame everything on Lindsay is complete bulshit and I know now that Carl will never overcome his drug addiction because the weed was just the start and I truly hate that for anybody do you have an addiction like that but I cannot believe he is blaming everything on Lindsay when he knows exactly what he has done wrong !! Carl was never my favorite person but after all of this now I hope that Carl has to move back home with his mommy and daddy but he probably won't have to because Lindsay made sure he had the damn good job before he dropped the bomb on her !! 🤬🤬
They dated a couple of years back then split for a huge reason. Regardless if Carl was drinking then or not. Lindsay's personality is too strong for his.
I have said it before, I will say it again. Lindsay exhibits text book narcissism. It's painful to watch. I have been in a relationship with a man like her and there will never be accountability from her and it's emotionally abusive to Carl. She did everything she could to "get him" she acted sweet, she was accommodating to him, even chose to be sober. Once he put a ring on it, she reverted back to her classic narcissistic behavior. Also, her describing her abusive behavior as "emotional" is an insult to emotional people.
Exactly! I spotted that immediately because I’ve dated a narc & have one narc parent. Kyle is married to a narc, Amanda is dangerously abusive too. He needs to divorce her yesterday!
Twice now Lindsay made the same comment: were together all the time and cuts herself off on how she should word it. Yes Lindsay you live with your spouse every day 24/7, excluding work hours. You can’t blame him that you both weren’t working.
Lindsay was in love with "drunk Carl". But now he's sober...and she's not...she's criticising him in every aspect of his sobriety as a deflection of her inability to love him when he's SOBER. Stop GASLIGHTING, LINDSAY!
Isn't it funny that Carl is not sober and hasn't been for 6 months after he said he was completely sober ??? Why do you think Carl got so upset when Lindsay let it slip on the show and ask Karl how much weed he smoked that day because she said when he smokes too much weed it makes him very agitated and he likes to fight with everybody and that is exactly what I saw Carl do at the bar that night when Lindsay and Carl left the bar together in the Uber and continue to argue until they got back to the house and that's when Lindsay let it slip and I asked him about how much weed he had smoked. Carl is an addict and for most people I don't think smoking weed is a big deal but from what other people are saying Carl smoked weed from the time he got up till the time he went to bed so no wonder he couldn't get a job and Lindsay had to support him but yet you all think that Lindsay is supposed to quit completely drinking what she did for 6 months until she found out what Carl was doing behind her back !!! Carl is an addict and I don't think he will ever change and he did nothing but use Lindsay and be with her for his financial gain !!!
Gabby needs to stop…. Lindsay has a drinking problem- totally changes into a mean person and drinks so much that her personality never stops being mean… people that don’t have drinking problems don’t change into a worse personality….
Lindsey will never be about anyone but Lindsey. I feel semi bad for her bc she messed up what could have been THE best thing for a psycho like her. Sorry, no one can tell me now that Carl is wrong for canceling that train wreck. Lindsey, Lindsey, Lindsey is consistent. Energy Vampire, Agent of Chaos. West is gold. Jesse Solomon… idk yet.
Kyle summed Lindsay up perfectly she is living in a different reality. I hope Carl finds someone who makes him happy and respects him..because she had the good Carl and fked it up.
Lindsay likes conflict, Carl wants resolution and to avoid escalation. He’s healthy, she’s NOT! Also Lindsey looks like she’s done the ozempic train eh?
I can’t trust anything Lindsay says lol. She comes off as a liar on the show, and she comes off as a liar now. He didn’t propose to someone who’s “emotional,” he proposed to someone whose main emotion is anger. Caruhl saved himself. And good for him.
I hope that Gabi understands that Lindsay will treat her the sme way she treated Danielle, Carl and so many others the moment Gabi gets on her bad side 🤷♀️
Carl deserves to marry the sweetest, kindest, most beautiful, loyal and loving woman, and I sure hopes he finds her very soon! Lindsey has NO idea how toxic she is, and I doubt she ever will! THAT is why she can't keep ANY man!
Carl dodged a bullet. Lindsay has a lot of unresolved issues and she is self destructive... SHE DOESN’T GET IT! Her accusing her sober fiance of doing drugs on national tv twice is not ok! Gabby is annoying as hell and defending Lindsay is gross!
Kyle is so right about it all her interviews leading up to the show I was on her side cuz she is so convincing. But we get to see what actually happened does she forget from the jump she did the absolute most hurtful and demeaning thing to your “soul mate” by accusing him of doing drugs? That alone would be enough to end an engagement
So what ur saying is u wanted to help him in his sobriety but then u No longer wanted to help him 🤷♀️U wanted to b drunk & let’s face it she’s A hatful nasty drunk.She acts like a angel but turns into a demon when she wants her own way!I think she can’t have one man for life She doesn’t want the same man The same life for long.A few summers ago they All laughed including Andy ab her saying Why don’t U make me a sandwich!They thought that was so funny While I thought it was rude &disrespectful.She wanted to move on to another guy which she did as soon as he left &she just had to make it look like his fault.I’m sure knowing Her that guy bowed at her feet.I’m sure he spent a lot of money on her.Moral of this story 👏👏👏for Carl
I’ve always had a low opinion of Lindsay, but full jaw drop on this one. Going sober for a few months does not make you Mother Theresa. Lumping all people with anxiety and depression and looking down on all - terrible look.
Lindsay is an eternal victim. Just give her the crown. She’s talking about not feeling safe with one of the most level headed and understanding men. He’d understand if she said “I need to postpone the wedding because x,y,z.” He would move heaven and earth to make her feel better. She’s a horrible person. Ugh. Gross.
I honestly do not feel Carl can handle a relationship. He is a momma's boy. When Lindsey wanted to go with Danielle to Dockers and he drove off without her bags was so immature. Him not wanting to work would be frustrating. Him talking too much to his mother about their issues . He should have been able to deal with their issues without going to mom. How old is he? Lindsey drinking was getting on his nerves but he was too afraid to tell her. Please.
It's scary that someone can be as toxic as Lindsay, and somehow the people around her can't and won't see it. Even after watching it all play back on TV.
The way she growls and has vocal fry is the most insufferable way of speaking I can't stand her.. or.. really any of these people they're all awful really
Good for Carl for removing himself. He spared the entire group, plus himself the shit show Lindsay would have caused for everyone! Carl made a call, for himself and all of his friends. In my opinion, he sacrificed, because Lyndsay provokes everyone when she gets in one of her “I want to argue” modes. Problem is all LINDSAY Compromise? Lindsay?? lol All I ever saw was Carl trying to compromise Didn’t feel safe having emotions lol Carl probably didn’t feel safe around all your emotions 🎢
Lindsay is wrong for accusing him, but for some reason, something about Carl feels so manipulative. Danielle has even said there's a dark side to Carl and dating him was no easy. He's probably just better at hiding it now because he's sober. Also, Kyle literally has no room to talk about any couples fighting when he fights with Amanda constantly, cheated on her and has said some really mean shit to her.
She said that YEARS ago, before he got sober, before he lost his brother, before he changed his whole life around. What a gross comment. Meanwhile, Lindsey is the same nasty, mean, angry, aggressive drunk that she’s been since Day 1. She’s literally had ZERO growth over 8+ years. Both of y’all need a reality check.
I usually don't sign up for teams, but 100% Team Carl. She called a gaslighter and compared him to Sandoval, the most hated guy on Bravo, and then claimed to be blindsided by the breakup. Give me an fn break!
Lindsay wants space to get away from her fiancé because clearly being together all the time is too much, yet she thought wedded bliss was in her future?!? 🤔
Please give some grace to Carl...inside he must still be feeling grief over his brothers death! This doesn't go away over night! 💔 And Lyndsay may not be the most compassionate person for Carl to confide in! ❤
@@Tquin55 well unless you're uneducated or live under a rock I suggest you look up the word sober in the dictionary before making a ridiculous comment. Also I'm am fully sober so I can comment on such thing!
It seems fairly clear from your response that you’re not working a healthy program Carol. Why so aggressively mean? Honestly, I’m curious. Congrats on your sobriety though. I have 14 years and choose to never judge how another person manages their sobriety. As far as the definition you referred to- here you go: SOBER; comparative adjective: soberer; superlative adjective: soberest not affected by alcohol; not drunk. For me personally it means much more.
@@Tquin55 reread your first comment to me you came in aggressive calling me the sobriety police and I responded as such. sō′bər/ adjective Not intoxicated or affected by the use of alcohol or drugs. Abstaining from or habitually abstemious in the use of alcoholic drink or other intoxicants. "a former addict who has been sober for 10 years." I was merely replying to your comment. That's all. But if some is going to commit to full sobriety then do that because saying your sober and smoking weed you're still using. So not sober at all.
I guess we just disagree Carol. My kid has nearly 10 years of sobriety and has used substances in the last few years that you would classify her as not being sober. The results are nearly miraculous as she is no longer using 3 very toxic pharmaceutical meds with horrible and permanent side effects due to this course of treatment and her mental illness has all but disappeared. Her sponsor, her doctors and her psychiatrist were all on board with this journey. But according to you she is not sober. I have had people similar to you tell me I’m not sober because I took pain meds while hospitalized with meningitis. That level of pain made childbirth feel like a scraped knee. So yes, I will continue to disagree with you and say that you have no right to judge another’s journey in THEIR recovery. Hopefully you can learn to concentrate on your sobriety journey and not judge others so freely. I wish you well and success in recovery.
So funny how this entire After Show is all about Carl and Lindsey . There would be no content without them. Why aren’t they equally as focused on how Kyle and Amanda have never stopped fighting? Before, during and after engagement and now all through marriage.
Yes! I was just thinking about how weird it is to have people you just met commenting on your relationship with someone you’ve known for close to a decade.
And Kyle DETESTS Lindsay. He enables Karl. Yes Lindsay is difficult but Karl is NO peach himself. Kyle you are NOBODY to judge others' relationship when yours is close to divorce.
There's just something about Carl that creeps me out. There seems to be a lot of anger simmering on the surface and maybe he is more verbally aggressive behind closed doors towards Lindsey.
Try living with someone like her and being berated on the daily, and then not feeling like he can even be honest about how awful her behavior really was towards him, because he’s genuinely afraid of her and how she’s going to retaliate. That’s what you’re seeing. I’d be pissed too, if I had to just sit there while she flat-out lied and fabricated a narrative out of nowhere to try to make people feel bad for her, while emasculating him (yet again) at the same time. Leave the poor man alone. Time and time again he’s proven to be the bigger person and is always forgiving her way too easily and apologizing for things he didn’t even do. Lindsey really is showing herself (again) this season. At some point, y’all are going to have to admit she’s the ONLY one on the show that has shown absolutely ZERO growth or maturation since the beginning. It’s been nearly 9 years. Carl is not the problem. And he has every right to be upset about how she’s treated him. Stop pretending that means he treated her poorly.
Lyndsey looks a lot better without him but it's very hard to have one sober and the other not sobriety is such a hard thing to do but the best thing I'm sober now and could never be with a guy that drinks sucks but where I'm at in my life
