I drove my car into a flooded road. The water was up to the bottom of the car. The engine seized up. At first the insurance covered most of the cost and I paid 15% of the cost, at the time was about $1500 for a new engine. This was a 93 Ford Probe One month later, I recieved a letter that stated there was a recall on my car. They needed to install a water seal on the air intake to keep high standing water risking engine failure. Two weeks later after taking the letter to Ford, I recieved a full refund for a new engine at 36,600 miles.
You are lucky that you had a ford probe that actually worked. I had nothing but problems with mine and I didn't drive it through flooded areas and the speed limiter made sure that I could never drive the engine in such a way that it would stress the engine. It was a 3L V6 which was a bit overpowered for that car.
I got a recall notice for a 93 Ford Taurus. they wanted to install a circuit breaker on the electric radiator fan. I dug through the receipts and made them refund the burnt up fan costs from a couple of years prior.
@debbyconnor9498 After the engine replacement, I had that car until I had around 220k, mostly highway miles in Chicagoland area. The clutch bearing went out and that was it.
I got a brand new engine in my Hyundai Sonata right at 100k miles . I was less than 1000 miles away from being out of warranty . It was due to a recall as well .
@@PigglyWigglyDeluxe Sure about that? I've only heard of lockouts for fuel efficiency in some GM cars. I think some people just don't know how synchros work.
@@PigglyWigglyDeluxered line lockout isn't going to prevent money shifting, which is skipping a gear (usually skipping 3 gears) and causing the engine to immediately red line. You have to either money shift or intentionally red line a modern engine.
@@PigglyWigglyDeluxe if it's a manual, not really, the EN will let you do more than other models would. For the DCT it has a rev limiter, but if they're tuned, that might not work. We've also had some transmission issues before a recall that would cause the DCT to over-rev, but they would have other clues if that were happening.
@@PigglyWigglyDeluxe Not really, its just the syncro's cannot function with the lower gear than intended But one can still man handle it, or just let the engine rpm drop enough via the clutch to down shift, and then when the clutch is let loose, the wheels will drive the engine instead of the other way around. It usually only happens when the driver is a complete tool and doesn't know how to operate a manual, eg in the USA
Usually the rev limiter will deal with an over rev situation. A big problem we ran into on standard transmission models was the user downshifting causing overrevs which the ECU/PCM has no control over. Nothing worse than a closed throttle/high manifold vac overrev. It's a rod killer.
I'd ask the owner to show which part actually failed not from abuse. This is common with BMW "M" engines.. driver thinks he's dropping into 4th, but he's dropping into 2nd.. lets out the clutch, RPM's go sky high and the rods ventilate the block. Engine becomes an instant toxic boat anchor.
Since the forces acting on the rods, piston, and crank are proportional to the RPM squared, it doesn't take much of an over rev to to push past the stress limits and stretch rod bolts or something else. It's pretty easy to accidentally down shift too soon or skip a gear when down shifting and your engine can be toast in an instant. For that reason and the fact that a dual clutch transmission can sift so much faster, if a quality dual clutch transmission is available for your car, it would be stupid not to have one if you want to win a race.
When I worked for GM, we voided several warranties based on racing and abuse. One particular case I remember, was a blown engine. We picked it up about a quarter mile from a drag strip, and it still had the timing slips in the front seat, and numbers and speed painted on the windshield. The black box doesn’t lie.
It should also be common sense that if a car is shown doing lots of cool stuff in advertisements, and the salesman talk about how awesome the car will be for that, the parameters of the warranty should include that. The problem is when a car is designed so that it can be used as a racing car for a short while before it blows up, and then it’s implicitly advertised for that while using the fine print to take away the warranty if you use it for what it’s advertised for. I don’t know if that’s what happened in this case, but it definitely happens
I worked at the dealership back when the Mitsubishi Evo's came out and I couldn't tell you how many warranty claims we kicked because of over revving. People used to think they were so smart by clear the codes from the ecm, but what they didn't know was the HVAC computer stored the max revs of the compressor and we could get the same data from there.
Would it still see that data if we pull the hvac fuse Would the vehicle still run if you did pull the fuse. Are there any fuses or connection that would stop the collection of that data
If they didn't use the a/c, would the computer still keep the max rev? The compressor isn't spinning then, so it wouldn't seem like it should. It would also stand to reason that when the compressor cycles off, it wouldn't also.
This guy is an idiot believing warranty should cover it, no auto manufacturer will cover this kind of abuse. As an auto mechanic I see this more often, read your owners manual and warranty papers.
LOL I bet you believe warranty also cover what it say it covers too.... until they deny it. If you are lucky the media will pick it up and certain the warranty is now covers it, but if not than you are out of luck cause usually it's not worth the lawsuit. I'd prefer buy things at a much cheaper price without that warranty. If shit happen I'll just replace it. If it happen too often than I'll stop buying from that business. I notice a few warranties now cover the ORIGINAL BUYER. They are not covering and standing behind THEIR OWN product.
@@johnmicheal3547idk, man. I work in a field where I deal with warranties for all different kinds of products. Companies are almost always faithful to their warranty terms if you aren't clearly in violation of said terms. And for car warranties, lemon law claims make it so it's at no cost to you to sue over it.
Yes, the ECU includes that information. Anyone who has driven truck as a company driver for a big company knows all about the fact that it remembers EVERYTHING. Also, no car manufacturer is going to cover repairs on a car used for racing when it isn't sponsored by them.
Maybe not everything or not everything forever...but it almost certainly tracks lifetime min/max/average values for each engine parameter that can be used for diagnostics to compare with current values.
@matthewmiller6068 I've had them tell me when I didn't double-clutch when shifting to the date and time, for an entire week about a month after the fact. In semis, those things are keeping some very detailed records that go back for several months, more than just a service interval or two.
More like "Lawsuit going to be filed and the insurance company is going to lose and have to pay!" Why do I say that? Answer: Relative who had the same warranty, was racing his car, had told them when he BOUGHT THE WARRANTY that he was going to be racing the car, and they did not make any protestations about it or bring up "That is abuse of the WEHICLE!" and would not be covered by the warranty. He made the point that the 'special terms' making it a "I will not replace the engine!" was 4 or 5 pages into the agreement, that no regular person was going to read that far into the agreement, and the judge agreed and pointed out a little known law in his state (W. Va.) stating that any contracts have to be simple enough that a person with a 10th grade education can read through them in 10 minutes.
@@christopherkidwell9817I don’t see it. Too many software agreements take much longer than 10 minutes to read and are often full of legal terms that does not fit what you’re saying.
I remember a kid who tried out SCCA with his new car and promptly crashed into a hay bale. He posted everything on FB. I laughed at him saying insurance will not cover you racing. His reply: "I wasn't racing. I was qualifying." He later went bankrupt in his 20s, no surprise. The car was never fixed.
We had an old saying back in the street racing 70s: " You race 'em, they break." Logic tells me that this is a justifiable denial. Toyota, otoh, allegedly denying warrantee claims for a customer driving 85 MILES AN HOUR, is an utter absurdity.
I just recently had a customer of mine get denied his warranty claim because the company went on his facebook and saw he spent 1 day using oversized tires at a sand dune (this is for a side by side offroad vehicle), I was surprised they went that far. The sad thing about it is that was the only time he ever went, and he didn't like the dunes so he left early. Rest of the time he took his kids to school in it.
Actually the N cars are pretty cool. There are two different versions. The N Line is a sporty looking street car. The one that is just N are trackable or in their terms track ready. The 2025 IONIQ 5 N is 641HP. That is nothing to sneeze at.
Hyundai won the WRC for Manufacturers in 2019 and 2020. In 2024, Hyundai Motorsport's Esapekka Lappi and Janne Ferm won the second WRC victory of the season at Rally Sweden.
I had a neighbor who bought a Dodge Charger...not the old school Charger but a newer model. I had to listen to him rev his unloaded engine for days. Everybody that came by, he had to show how far over the red line he could go. Despite warnings from me and others, he claimed that his warranty would cover it if the engine goes. Well one evening it caught up with him and after several minutes of revving it up and letting it roll back, the engine failed. and put a piston through the oil pan. Then I had to listen to the guy for months complaining about his warranty failing to cover it. He was threatening lawsuits and actually filed one I think. But that car was never covered afaik.
@@hotshtsr20regardless if it can or not, you should never over rev your engine doesn't matter if it is a sports car or not, things will fail. It still needs to be driven at a reasonable level. If you are going to race a car then better have deep pockets to fix it continously and you should not need a warranty.
@@hotshtsr20 Inertia. If you slowly rev the engine the car's management system should kick in and limit the revs. However, if you blip the peddle and quickly rev the engine, the inertia of the accelerating engine can take the car over the limiter a bit before the ECU can step in. Yes a reasonably well designed ECU should look for exactly this scenario and kick in before the red line to prevent this, but I've seen plenty that don't.
@@hotshtsr20 You can keep it floored while revving it hits the rev limiter and slows down a bit but jumps back up so it does rev and any revving is not good,it causes damage.
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Actually that just cats doubt on this. Notice the language 'redlined' Not 'over rev' And let's assume even if he wasn't over revving it - they'd be able to claim ANY track usage as Voidable Don't be so quick to defend your new corporate over lords Free trade cost us all our industry and the free world. So maybe you wanna think about Right to Repair and how l litigation has gone insane. Corrosive claim private ppln protection while having government level money
I had a car come into my shop for a transmission problem. There was definitely a transmission problem. When we scanned for codes it showed the rev-limeter had been reached more than 100 times. The customer was upset that I refused to work on his car knowing full well there would be issues with warranty i declined to do the work.
The owner didn’t know how to use a Manual, Showed off by over-revving way too often and thought an extended warranty gave him the wrong belief that he could abuse the car. 🙄 A friend of mine had a scat pack and specifically told me NOT to rev the engine. Some cars even have limiters that stop people to revving the car while in Park.
@@BCNeil All he's got to do is rev second to redline, then miss 3rd and shove it back into first. That's good for over 9k rpm - and redline is 6500 if memory serves.
Elantra engines are crap. I know a man who had two Elantra engines fail. He did not over-rev. He didn’t know how. But, if you play race car with your street car - you pay.
I have a Hyundai. It was 20,000 miles past the warranty when the engine quit working. They replaced the engine free of charge though, because they said it was caused by a defect.
If the engine was "significantly" overrevved "multiple times", I can see how the warranty could be declined. Kid spent $10k on an extended warranty for a CAD$37k car. I feel bad for him, but he doesn't sound like the smartest person in the world. The dealership is also evil for selling such an expensive warranty on a car that costs so little. There's no chance that would ever pay off.
My dealer offered an extended warranty, and I put a large down payment on the new vehicle. The monthly payment on the warranty was higher than the monthly loan payment.
The engine repair was 10k, not the warranty. Also, if someone willingly buys a stick of bubblegum for 10k, it is not on the seller. Seller makes an offer, buyer decides if they think its reasonable.
How many money shifts did the car actually allow in the first place? I’m betting zero. These cars have mechanical lockouts to prevent money shifting, even in a stick shift transmission. Try to shift into 2nd from 5th, and you’ll have a hard time moving that lever. It won’t let you.
Agree but they advertiser the N cars as track ready cars. Then in find print tells us how they will not cover what they said in the advertising. Take a look at "Hyundia i30N. Let's Play" its online.
Over-revved usually occurs when a manual transmission car is shifted into wrong gear and the motor spins too fast. This is why manufactures prefer to make idiot proof automatics. As a former mechanic, It sounds to me like the car failed to to abuse, not to a design flaw.
@@corymorrison4488 Reverse has no synchro in these cars, so that's not going to happen. But a simple 1-2, then miss 3 and hit 1 again will put you over 9000 rpm...and redline is 6500 if I remember correctly.
Your presuming he did a money shift. NOTICE THE LANGUAGE 'redline' NOT 'overrev' who knows what litigious nonsense they use these days. Without seeing the days ourselves we can't know. It's like when my computer failed as a kid. They denied weren't because I had a cheat-tool on the computer. Claimed it was a 'virus'. Mind you - THE POWER SUPPLY FAILED. This was 25yrs ago - so us think they arnt doing it again? For all we know the dude never exceeded the recline. Which berths the question on a modern car - why would they allow operation outside of range that the components in the engine are treated for? Barring a 'money shift'
@@PigglyWigglyDeluxe yeah this whole thing is super sus. Why would they design a modern vehicle with a recline- OVER the limit the engine can take. Then put it as a costing clause in the warranty. Almost like it's on purpose
About 25 years ago, I watched the representative of an engine builder read the engine revs map for an entire race on a laptop computer plugged into an electronic sensor on an engine in a single seat formula car in a stair step class. Taking in account the improvements in computer related technology, it’s conceivable that the manufacturer could have an engine revs map or log of the entire life of an engine in the ECM. Please check this with someone current with prevailing conditions. It all boils down to “if you want to play, you have to pay”.
Warranties aren't meant to cover pushing a product beyond its documented limits. I doubt he could litigate this Without an army of mechanics to verify the damage.
This reminds me of a story from decades ago, when I was still in high school. I was in an auto mechanic class and a student had his Camaro towed in with a thrown rod that penetrated the engine block, the cam was broken in 2 places, and the crank broken in half. Dude said he was doing 120 KMph on 401. We all looked at the guy with that, "C'mon man, get real" look. Maybe 210 KMph? Needless to say, we didn't try to save a single component from that engine, I'm sure every single piece of metal in it was over-stressed to beyond use.
To everyone saying you can't over-rev a modern car because of the rev limiter....this was a manual transmission. When you drop the clutch the tranny is rotating at x rpm, multiply that by the gear ratio, and that is the speed the engine MUST rotate at until opposing forces slow it down (or it rips itself to pieces). Shifting from 2nd back to 1st when you are at the limit of 2nd gear and trying to hit 3rd will push any manual WAY over the rev limiter.
I had a dealership perform the "money shift" on a Mercedes 190E 2.3 16v Cosworth while it was in for routine service.... on the highway. Needless to say, they replaced the engine and threw quite a few $ my way.
@@El_Peto no scan tool can just erase over rev counters. Even at the dealer you cant. That's like saying you can use a scan tool to delete the crank sensor
@@allenstyer205 as stated above, maybe you can't Doesn't mean other people don't have the ability, for projects where it would actually matter and be worthwhile
I've been battling Hyundai for over two months now over an exploded engine and peeling paint on my santa fe. 3/10 would not recommend, I get it back next week say a prayer for me
I agree, my 1986 has a rev limiter on it the fuel is shutdown, with all Technology on today’s cars, how is this not a thing. Engineers know the rev limit of there engine’s.
This is perfectly OK in theory. The manufacturer can see the engine's "danger log" which records all exceptional conditions. If you fail at driving and damage the engine yourself, of course the manufacturer shouldn't be liable. The question is: what does "redlined" mean? Over-revving is different to redlining. Redlining is in the normal operating envelope, over-revving (due to bad downshifting) is not and damages the engine. I know for a fact that eg. Porsche records in their cars' ECUs all over-revving conditions, all rated according to severity. If you have too many high-severity over-revs then that is clearly operator error and the most likely cause of engine failure. But redlining should absolutely not be cause to void warranty and shift liability, because engines are meant to operate normally in a way that they occasionally hit the redline.
Agreed. Pushing an engine TO red-line is something different than PAST red-line. Underneath the red-line the engine should be able to run without problems, excessive wear, or damage. Above, you risk all of the above. It's not the user's fault the manufactuer's red-line indication is wrong.
Since when is redlining considered 'normal'? Is this the same definition that includes quarter mile drag racing as 'normal'? I'm not saying that you should expect that your engine will immediately blow as soon as you pass it, but you are not suppose to operate there for any length of time.
@@ColdRunnerGWN When I accelerate @ full throttle, the engine goes to 6000 rpm and stays there, until I let off the accelerator. Honda with a CVT. Redline is 6000.
In today's new cars, the manufacturer can set all the cars running parameters. They can even make it so that the car can't stay at red line for a certain amount of time if they would like too. So unless you go in and change factory settings. I don't see how they can say that you are operating outside their specifications.. I. Think it's speaks to the lack of quality in the car that they're going to deny a claim on a Laughably "sport" rated car for going to the top if their own preset rpm max a couple of times Even if it was at the track.
The same scenario in the not distant past happened to a local truck owner. He had a local shop install an exchange head on a diesel engine and some weeks later a valve broke off and dropped into a cylinder destroying the engine. A read out of the computer apparently showed two times where apparently a shift was missed and the engine overshot the governor by approximately two hundred to three hundred RPM. The dealer and not the manufacture initially denied the warranty even though it was proven that the valve stem failed. There are also parameters for how much overspeed is likely to cause damage and how much is deemed something that happens normally in the operation of the engine in this type of use. The manufacturer was contacted and supported the dealership in denying the warranty not because of the overspeed, but because the shop that installed the head was not a factory authorized outlet. Right or wrong, the computer history function has become a tool to be used to limit liability for manufacturers.
Back around 2002 or 2003 I had a 2001 Camaro SS come into the shop I worked at with bent pushrods and a spun bearing. It belonged to a 16 year old kid who had received it from his father. GM initially denied them warranty coverage on the repair (not voided their warranty; that's a different issue) and told them the car had been abused on the race track, which of course it had been. That's when they brought it to us. When I told them what it would cost to fix it they lawyered up and went back to GM. Their lawyer found a case where the court had ruled that if the performance of the car was used as a marketing tool to sell the car then they were liable for warranty coverage when the car was used in that manner. I don't recall the case or the court, but I kept it on hand for several years after that thinking it may one day be useful again. A letter from the lawyer to the dealership citing that case was all it took to get GM to warranty the engine.
I remember when the Saturn dealer refused to fix a problem in my Saturn Vue SUV. I was like, "Really? That's fantastic!" with a giant smile on my face. "Why is that fantastic?" "Because this is the third time you have failed to fix the same problem, meaning now I can get a full refund under lemon law!" Amazingly, they suddenly decided that it wasn't too expensive to replace the entire electrical system that was failing.
But that would NEVER cover a bad downshift causing an overrev. That's abuse, a mistake of the driver. That's using a car BEYOND it's limits. There's no way this will be covered, sorry.
The 2.0TGDI/2.4GDI often comes with Hyundai’s sparkly oil option at no additional cost to the purchaser, at least until it expires and they deny coverage. The kid over-revving the engine didn’t do it any favors, but given the track record (pun intended) of this engine model, it likely would have died however it was driven.
A lot of people don't understand that Rev limiters can't protect the motor from excess RPM under many conditions, particularly with a manual transmission during downshifting if you select too low a gear for the car's speed. Having done a lot of racing and track days, one thing I've seen others experience is coverage by insurance when a vehicle gets damaged at the track and it really depends on whether the damage occurred during a timed event or not. Any modern engine control unit will log way more info than anyone would believe. Even if it doesn't keep a log of all the data element, there will be bins that keep track of events at the macro level. Counts of the number of times a threshold RPM was exceeded and for how many seconds, and so on.
Modern manual transmissions have mechanical lockouts to prevent money shifts. Shift from 5th to 2nd, it won’t let you. You’ll be physically unable to move the lever into that position. It blocks you out.
@@PigglyWigglyDeluxe Interesting. In manual mode my AMG's automatic transmission won't let me select too low of a gear, but I didn't know fully manual cars had such a feature. Motorcycles certainly didn't back in the day, pretty easy to bang an extra downshift while braking for a corner during a race. Good clutch control was necessary to keep the back wheel from loosing traction as a result. Bike started incorporating slipper clutches to deal with this. Some riders liked to do this to help the rear end step out and back it in to a corner. Watched Tommy Hayden doing this in front of me during a race at the Streets of Willow on time. Fun stuff.
I should probably add that in racing motorcycles it was pretty common to hit the rev limiter. You've got helmet and ear plugs in but with the loud bikes around you it can be really hard to hear. The bikes typically pull really hard up to the limiter and all off the sudden the bike stumbles for a second and you realize you're in the limiter and bang an upshift. Raced a couple different Suzuki GSXR 750s and they were solid. Never had a mechanical issue despite all the abuse put to them.
@@PigglyWigglyDeluxethey don't. I had a 2012 Cruze purchased new in late 2011 until recently. Many years ago I did a 5-2 shift by accident. Meant it to be 4th. I over-revved the official redline of 6500 rpm by going to 6800 rpm. That engine could take 7400 rpm on stock internals thanks to testing and documentation posted to a Cruze forum from an airboat operator who ran one in an airboat. Hours at high RPM. I was more worried about the transmission than the engine. I sold that car running and shifting well.
I think its important for the US audience to explain the Magnuson Moss warranty act and the need for the warranty company to prove causation. What is the repair needed? What was the diagnostic report. A failed fuel pump can cause a lean condition and kill the car. So was it a valve issue, cylinder issue, timing issue or fueling. Why did the rev limiter not work and is the "money shift" recorded? How is the car advertised and was Hyundai deceitful in (This is from their website "Track-ready power, engineering and technology") the marketing where a normal person could reasonably believe that minor track use is covered. Does the sales receipt require the reading of the manual and did he sign any paperwork saying he would do so? And for those that dont know, RTFM
To all bringing up a rev limiter, you need to remember it has a manual transmission. RU-vid is full of videos of guys who are drag racing and accidentally shift the car back into first gear when they are trying to shift from 2nd to 3rd sending the RPM to the moon.
@@jasonkincaid-nt-photograph7443 Readily possible. The H/P pump sits on the valve cover and is driven by the cam. Any leak-by goes right into the valve cover and thence to the oil pan.
@@barto6577 Actually the fuel pump and valve cover have separate gaskets/ O ring seals. They can't leak into each other. If one had a leak, it would leak out and not into each other.
@@jasonkincaid-nt-photograph7443 Leak by can occur past the piston and right down the drive roller of the pump. Said drive roller is in contact with the cam, inside the valve cover.
The guy's admitted he's taken it to the track and raced it. Clue: Cars that spend their time racing on tracks get rebuilt a couple times a season, and they're never covered by a warranty due to the abuse of racing. I don't see many attorneys being massively interested in this guy's case. If they are, he's gonna have to front some money, because the odds of winning aren't great and there's gonna be a fair amount of work before the lawyer would know if there was a snowball's chance in hell of a favorable verdict.
What he will pay in legal fees could easily surpass the money he would get if he wins... a no brainier, learn from experience and pay for the repairs cause you won't win in the courts on this one and will spend good money after bad in pursuit of it
It's in the warranty papers... Even on a high powered car "performance driving" or "abuse" is not covered. The car is sold for street use. If I buy a new truck I CAN leave it in 3rd gear and let the engine sit at redline every time I go on the highway, but no vehicle can survive that and it will blow up sooner or later and I'll be denied coverage under abuse or misuse. Same with constantly racing and abusing the car, there is a reason young car guys break their cars so often (been there done that) and it's because you can abuse any car.
If you're referring to cars in general, then maybe. Tracking is many times more abusive on a car. Like many many times. Honoring the warranty simply means they have to put more R&D into the car to make it more reliable, or simply charge more for the factory warranty that's built into the price of the car. Either way, the car costs more. This discourages proper driving and will make people do dumb things. If you're referring to this story, nah. It's a hot hatch. It's not a track car. Everyone knows that.
I used to work in a position where I made decisions on warranty coverage or not on extremely expensive equipment. Its a tough position for all involved.
There is an operational envelope where a missed shift for instance, can cause a excursion after the mistake is realized and the throttle relesed. However as you say, a momentary no load into readline shouldn't necessarily cause damage, unless it is sustained well above the limit.
I worked at an Audi dealership, and a client was declined warranty for prematurely worn brakes and tires on his S4 (less than a year old). Same story, the client took it to a racetrack, lied when asked if he had raced it, but the Audi rep (former race tech) knew the physical signs of track racing. Data tracking from the ECM wasn't even necessary.
Kid probably thought extended warranty meant that issues above and beyond the standard warranty would be covered. Buyers, do your homework. The dealership certainly won’t.
@@tsl7881 Actually, as I understand it, the warranty company usually sells those things to the dealership for a set price. The dealership then sells it for as much as they can. Profit!
His first mistake was confusing Hyundai and performance. Second mistake was taking it to the track and racing the car and THEN telling everyone about it. Sounds like a young kid with more money than brains.
First of all, Hyundai’s N division doesn’t mess around. You clearly haven’t been paying attention. Veloster N literally WON Road & Track Magazine’s Performance Car of the Year, over Lamborghinis and Mclarens. Secondly, the car is marketed as being a performance car that you can take to the track. That’s the entire ethos of all their N cars. It’s literally being used as intended. Telling everyone about it has nothing to do with this. Modern cars are smart enough to prevent over revving, even with a stick shift. If you try going into 1st gear on the highway, it won’t let you. There are mechanical lockouts that prevent doing exactly this.
As an Elantra owner, it maybe classified as a Sport model but I see it more as Sports for comfort in casual driving. That awesome cushion of luxury for ease. Mine has a sport mode but I use on icey and really wet roads, gotta have more engine power for that shit Like that.
The Hyundai Elantra N has launch control feature that Hyundai states on their website says "Only use N Launch Control feature on a closed racetrack". So Hyundai has a feature that can only be usee on a racetrack, while excluding track use from the warranty?
Basically every manufacturer selling a track model or track spec vehicle, states certain features or even just track use in general voids the warranty. Some even go so far as to state activating track settings whether on track or not voids the warranty.
@@Littlefoot. Doubt that. It specifically says that warranty does NOT cover racing use even though they advertise it to be able to race. This has been true for DECADES since GM, Ford and MOPAR put big powerful engines in cars.
Warranties are for normal usage. It's a pretty simple concept. There are vehicles equipped with exhaust cut outs. It's also a pretty simple concept that usage of them on a roadway is a violation that even non inspection states might cite you for.
"Yes I race it but that's not where it blew up" is the equivalent of, "yes I eat 8 pounds of bacon grease a day, but my heart didn't blow up doing that, it blew up while doing my daily aerobics".
I guess you missed the bit where Hyundai mandated track use for using at least one feature of the car. " Only use N Launch Control feature on a closed racetrack and with extreme caution".
I "abuse" my old vws on the regulator and have raced them for 20 years and truly over reved 1000 rpm over factory limit and never had any issues. The problem is hyundai makes junk, and it's his fault for purchasing said junk.
@wingracer1614 VW doesn't need to fix them, they aren't broken. But that's not the point. The point is new hyundai stuff breaks because it's cheap junk.
@@epjetta I beat the piss outta an 88 barretta with 120k on it for 30k miles. Even over revved it more than a few times doing fun stuff Ib eventual escape the car cuz the real wheel rusted off lol
This has been going on as long as I’ve been alive, and kids believing dealers will honor warranties if you race your car are as painfully naive as women who believe their date “just wants to cuddle.” I remember when the Subaru WRX first came to America. They actually gave you a membership in the SCCA when you purchased one; the SCCA hosted track days and autocross events, and if you attended one, zooom… there goes your warranty!
If you create a car model DESIGNED for, ADVERTISED as and MARKETED to "performance drivers" - You understand that a grandmother is not generally going to be only driving this church one day a week.
I don't think the revs would be much of an issue unless he really overdid it, like a money shift from 2 to 1 instead of 2 to 3. I'm not familiar with the car, but g-forces can mess with the oil in the pan and get pulled away from the pickup, so momentary loss of oil pressure under high load and RPMs could lead to a failure. It sounds like they gave an explanation to the customer and it'd be interesting to hear how it failed. I'm guessing bearing wear leading to rod knock either overheating and seizing or created a hole in the block.
The "red line" is there to protect your engine, there's a rev limit. If hyundai thinks that he over-revved it, he has an argument that it's a manufacturing defect, in that if it can rev past a safe rev limit it's their own fault.
It takes a certain kind of dumb to buy a Kia or Hyundai. They have ALWAYS been trash on wheels with too-good-to-be-true “warranties” that are always declined for technicalities.
$10K for an extended warranty on a Korean car!? That’s insane, I thought they were trying to screw me when they tried to charge me $8k on an Audi RS5. This dude needs to call Tomi before he buys another car.
