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Carneades of Cyrene (Enslaver of Souls, Destroyer of Gods, and Last Great Scholarch of the Academy) 

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Carneades of Cyrene: Enslaver of Souls, Destroyer of Gods, and Last Great Scholarch of Plato's Academy). The story of the man behind the inspiration of this channel and website.
*CORRECTION: Cato the Elder not Cato the Emperor (Thanks to urban djin for the correction!)
Information for this video gathered from The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, The Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy, The Cambridge Dictionary of Philosophy, The Oxford Dictionary of Philosophy and more!
Information for this video gathered from The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, The Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy, The Cambridge Dictionary of Philosophy, The Oxford Dictionary of Philosophy and more!

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Комментарии : 42   
@therealpron
@therealpron 6 лет назад
Thank you, your channel was a huge contribution to philosophy.
@CarneadesOfCyrene
@CarneadesOfCyrene 6 лет назад
Thanks! I'm glad to help out. Thanks for watching.
@guillatra
@guillatra 10 лет назад
The illustration is very entertainig.
@CarneadesOfCyrene
@CarneadesOfCyrene 10 лет назад
Thanks!
@MyMy-tv7fd
@MyMy-tv7fd Год назад
Carneades lived a little too early and travelled a little less than he should have - the Jews, and especially St. Paul, would have been delighted to explain 'righteous anger' to him
@thealexis6647
@thealexis6647 7 лет назад
This is easily one of my favorite channels out there in RU-vid. Big thanks!
@urbandjin
@urbandjin 6 лет назад
Cato the ELDER, not the Emperor. The Empire was still more than a century away at that point.
@CarneadesOfCyrene
@CarneadesOfCyrene 6 лет назад
+urban djin Thanks for the correction!
@CarneadesOfCyrene
@CarneadesOfCyrene 6 лет назад
+Carneades.org I added a note in the description.
@garbanzosteve6012
@garbanzosteve6012 2 года назад
Love your enthusiasm, very helpful when trying to learn and retain this stuff :) subbed
@CarneadesOfCyrene
@CarneadesOfCyrene 2 года назад
Thanks! Glad to help.
@CosmoShidan
@CosmoShidan 10 лет назад
That was a nice presentation! Subbed!
@wimsweden
@wimsweden 10 лет назад
"Getting riled up by philosophy" We really live in different times, don't we?
@Artifactorfiction
@Artifactorfiction 10 лет назад
They had no Telly in those days ...
@GhostlyJorg
@GhostlyJorg 5 лет назад
If you don't get riled up by philosophy, you havn't understood philosophy
@Overonator
@Overonator 10 лет назад
Was Carneades arguing against one God or was he arguing against gods?
@CarneadesOfCyrene
@CarneadesOfCyrene 10 лет назад
A single God. The Stoics believed in one God that was immanent and permeated all matter. This God directed the course of the universe down to the smallest detail. The Epicureans (another school of ancient thought) believed in many Gods and also directed arguments towards the Stoics' one God. In fact Epicurus himself is often credited with the first version of the problem of evil.
@Overonator
@Overonator 10 лет назад
Wow I didn't know that there were Greek monotheists.
@CarneadesOfCyrene
@CarneadesOfCyrene 10 лет назад
Overonator The majority of people were still polytheists, but thanks to the Scholastics (Medieval Philosophers that tried to make Ancient Philosophy mesh with the bible, like St. Thomas Aquinas) we have a lot of their ideas and commentary on monotheistic ideas of the time. Aristotle can be read as a monotheist, which is one of the reasons that the Scholastics were such fans of his.
@JamesJoyce12
@JamesJoyce12 7 лет назад
The monotheism goes back to the Pre-Socratics. Xenophanes posited one god.
@Chamelionroses
@Chamelionroses Год назад
There are prehistoric religions even being monotheist besides polytheists...and some religions without gods. Religion and irreligion is complex and interesting philosophy, politics, art, music, and I made many playlists on such topics.
@joryjones6808
@joryjones6808 3 года назад
* Cato the consul as Rome was still a republic.
@Dayglodaydreams
@Dayglodaydreams 4 года назад
Pretty good. There seems to be a hermeneutical (in the broadest sense) puzzle here as to whether every argument he made was as great as you make it out to be.
@nick_32412
@nick_32412 2 года назад
Thanks dude
@benquinneyiii7941
@benquinneyiii7941 2 года назад
A lawyer?
@LECityLECLEC
@LECityLECLEC Год назад
so epic i love ur channel i wish u did a longer video!
@CarneadesOfCyrene
@CarneadesOfCyrene Год назад
Thanks! I have videos of a range of sizes. Some are shorter, particularly my early videos, but others are longer. Glad you enjoy!
@Mrwells11
@Mrwells11 Год назад
AWESOME
@CarneadesOfCyrene
@CarneadesOfCyrene Год назад
Thanks!
@mvdrider
@mvdrider Год назад
Gratitude to your work is what I feel.
@vampireducks1622
@vampireducks1622 4 года назад
I am not a theist myself, but I'm sorry to say I don't find these arguments very impressive. The argument about God's goodness and freedom in particular is woth pausing over. So does God do good freely or of necessity? A classically theistic answer, I imagine, would be that God does good according to his nature, which is good or even in some sense goodness itself (incidently, I doubt any theistic philosopher or theologian would say that God is "forced to do good"). Does this mean that God does not act freely? This gets to a very deep question about what freedom itself is or could be. Consider the man in your analogy who does not steal the money in the open cash register. What if we were to say that *he does this because he is by nature a good or honest man* ? Call this [1].This does not seem an unreasonable claim. But, alternatively, we might want to claim that there is no such thing as being good by nature, and that to be a good man is simply to have chosen freely to do good acts a certain minimum number of times (whatever it may mean exactly to choose freely). Does accepting [1] oblige us, to be consistent, to reject the idea that the man acted freely? But in that case, what does it mean to say that anyone acts freely? For an act to be really free, do we have to reject the supposition that it originated in some prior set of causes and conditions (such as, for exapmple in this case, a man's good nature, or predisposition toward goodness)? But then, if we follow this to its logical conclusion, are we not bound to claim that a free act must be *uncasued* , created by "free will" And this, it seems to me, is a reductio ad absurdum, or very like. It is evident that the God's-goodness-versus-freedom argument is premissed on a purely voluntarist notion of freedom which itself is impossible or unintelligible. [Edit: I might add that this "free will" notion of freedom, or voluntarism, and the idea of the human person or individual it assumes, is very culturally specific, and indeed, one could argue, deeply ideological; its connectiion with classical liberalism and hence capitalism should be fairly obvious...]
@philp521
@philp521 4 года назад
This is a good comment that I think adds a lot to this comment section, but it’s worth noting that Carneades’ arguments were specifically directed at the Stoic god, not the Abrahamic God or any conception of it. He was demonstrating that Stoics held contradictory beliefs about god, not necessarily that there wasn’t a god.
@Marzaries
@Marzaries 3 года назад
There are two aspects to this I think. Firstly, most theists believe in God because of an axiomatic conception of Gods goodness. Second, Carneades is not so much arguing against the existence of God, but God having any virtue in the way people define it.
@Chamelionroses
@Chamelionroses Год назад
Apatheistic myself. I just look at other people's views as their own views...political, religious, and even over flat earth to round earth. So sure it isn't that interesting and all of such saturated art to capitalism economics...but I get how really uninteresting talking on such things are. Also how something like all of it can be interesting as well.
@Chamelionroses
@Chamelionroses Год назад
​​@@Marzaries it is more complicated with theists and atheists...but many do prefer the black and white, cherry pick, or no true Scotsman fallacies it seems often. True that is what this philosopher is pointing out.
@Chamelionroses
@Chamelionroses Год назад
​@@philp521 true. Mentioning what is a god by definition is often assumed rather than understood what is meant by many it seems.
@JamesJoyce12
@JamesJoyce12 7 лет назад
That is not how one pronounces Arcesilaus. [R SESS UH LAY US}
@urbandjin
@urbandjin 6 лет назад
There's no soft 'c' in ancient Greek. The third letter would have been kappa (R KESS UH LAY US) Same with Latin. Cicero would have been pronounced something like KEE KAH ROO. But you're right that the way the ancients themselves would have pronounced their own names need not be the way we pronounce them. Nobody says KEE KAH ROO but I have heard both pronunciations of Arcesilaus. Peter Adamson, for example, pronounces the kappa.
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