He shouldn't have chosen the players that the media/public wanted and stuck to the team he had created regardless of club form, you can't put strangers together and expect they to gel
Couldn't agree more mate. It is thanks to him that our team are no longer a bottlejob embarrassment. We werent great this time but he still managed to get us to the final! I'm glad he has walked away he deserves better than these people. Hope he has a good rest and enjoys his life now, he deserves it.
Ok best league in the world, squad now value market wise double up most of the other national team. And we still think another manager would nt have done better . Congrats to the final again and watch the other lifting the trophy
He did put him on toast for Palmers goal. You need a manager to sort things out. Walker was knackered and couldn't overlap.. he should have been subbed. Also that 3421 worked nut he changed it to 4 2 3 1
You realise that they both play in the same league and, on form, you would expect Saka to destory Cucurella who has been a bit of a car crash for Chelsea?
The line "we've only one 1 trophy" and then going on to say we're england and on the same level of Germany Italy Spain is the delusion and arrogance tht stops England winning anything
I am 57, from Liverpool and have supported the team since I was a kid! I would love to talk about your analysis. As an amateur player in my youth I wasn't that great! Would you prefer Klopp in now? Or who do you think? I just look at England as being too negative as it stands. Cheers.
Red here, tbh bro, looking at the stick Southgate got, never mind klopp, would any manager out there take the England job to get hit with all that abuse ?
@@DaGabbaGangsta Southgate was the most supported manager in history right up until this tournament, it only soured after the Slovenia draw. Every dog has its day.
@@_Mattz1nhoIndividual brilliance carried us this tournament. If Bellingham didn't score that last minute goal then we would've been eliminated in the RO16 lol. I'm happy that Gareth is gone but I'll acknowledge that he's brought these group of players together
It seems a lot of people do not have a clue how tough this job is. You have to manage so many blown up egos and try to make a unit out of them. Football is not about having 11 great players on the pitch. Its about getting 11 players to play to each others strenghts and become a team. Then there are the expectations that You have to win every tournament even if you don't have a winning culture. England hasn't won nothing the last 60 years. And then you have a relentless savage press, an army of ex players/pundits/experts who will all say whatever to get screentime and last the fans whose intelligence and culture seems to let them get away with just about anything. Who would want to have that job at all? not to mention for 8 years.
U know nothing about football Southgate is a average manager maybe a good man manager but he has a 27-7 win against a top 10 international side And he has failed every big step And bs about egos like spain brazil argentina france havent got that
Southgate was making £5 million a year ha. Doesn't every country have ex players and opinions?? Don't they have media in other countries with some kind of expectation?
@@rahrah5484 Great way to start an argument;-) But it gets better. I´m not talking about Gareth at all. I´m merely talking about the job. If you had observed the spanish team during the tournament they had a strong togetherness and they were all the time positive towards each other. They have a strong football culture. Of course there are big egos in all great teams. But there are cultures that has to be in place for a team to be able to win and that requires a lot of work. Spain didn't have that in the 80´and 90´ and they never won anything since 1964. Holland have always had great players but they have only won the euros in 1988 because they let the egos get in the way. Lastly you might just have proved my last point.....
Gareth thank you for everything you've given us some of the best England moments of our lives Now it's time for someone to give us the ultimate England moment Let's get Klopp or Pep let's be ambitious
Gutted... hes been an easy target. 2 semi finals from 1967 - 2017.. 50 years...thats it...just two... he delivered 1 semi and 2 finals in 8 years. Go have a word with yourselves if you think our current players are better than some other squads we've had during that 50 years. Well done gareth...amazing job...great manager
Alr let's see him win everything with another country then, if he couldn't even with this England squad what makes you think he can with another country!
Spain won with a Spanish manager, Italy won with an Italian manager, Portugal won with a Portuguese manager etc. The reason we can't say "we don't need a foreign manager" is because we can't assume we produce the same quality of coaches as the other "footballing" nations. "We shouldn't need a foreign manager" makes sense, but the onus is on the FA, the nation and the institutions to provide that. England is obsessed with grass-roots, so let's look at it from a grass-roots perspective, and not on a "are they English?" perspective
Bobby Robson had failed to qualify for 84, 86 QF, 88 awful 3 losses, 90 SF but was also lucky as we played easy knockouts and struggled through. But he had a brilliant career in club management afterwards. To show how good he was but couldn't get English players to the top.
Belgium wasn't an easy team at all. And it was a hard group stage. Netherlands was champion of 88 Euro. Ireland actually pushed through to 1/8 in 1990.
@@ranwei3622 I agree, but I was texting with a modern day judgement of how Southgate is Judged. When in the future when England go back to being at best a QF team we will somehow record this as a good period. I think Southgate had 3 good Tournaments and somehow the latest was awful yet somehow reached the final, hard to know how to view the 4th Tournament.
I am from sweden. I think you must take away Kane as team captain. Let Pickford be captain and never give Kane such time on the pitch. He can play last 20 minutes instead. He is only good within the nine meters area. He is not good at all. He is only good taking penalty kicks. I will start with Palmer. He can take penalty kick. He does that in Chelsea 100 %. Was Kane injured or something. He looked very tired on pitch.
They keep going on about the world cup in 1966 and how we won that but it was a different style of football back then. If you put this Georgian team into the 66 world cup they would have won it. What Southgate has achieved over the last 6 years against opposition that are very good has been amazing
International football has been shite the past 8 years. Shite Brazil team, Spain fell off after 2008-2012 domination, worst German team. Portugal dragged themselves to a win 2016, a okaish Italian side did it in 2020. Argentina huffed & puffed to a WC in 2022. France with a stacked squad flattered to deceive for most part under Deschamps. It was a great time for Southgate with the talent we had in this poor phase of International football where France were the only team with top quality squad
No I totally agree I’ve been saying this for ages 1966 is great but there was a lot of poor teams football come along way now? there’s no bad teams and more teams in tournaments now to get to the final so much harder than back in 1966 Southgate did a great job. However time for change
Nearly a week after the final and I'm still baffled at the set up he used - he saw how using a box midfield against Holland worked so why the hell did he revert back to the formation that he used in the group stage? he should have just gone for it in the final...
Guarantee in a few years time, when we are inevitably playing with a foreign manager, there will be complaints about the lack of togetherness and team spirit, so we'll sack them, and bring Southgate back in to repair the damages. It will be an endless cycle of mediocrity and England failing to compete in international football. We'll be stuck in this cycle until England actually start producing world class managers like Spain have been doing for the last 20 years. Might have to wait another 60 years for England to something similar.
Agree, why do folks waste their hard earned money following, what are domestic level players. They clearly got found out when the stepped up to international level!
Say whatever you want about him, he’s englands second best manager ever. Mind you before Southgate took over England were losing to Iceland. Lest we forget the failure to even make the euros in 2008. I do think he’d probably reached as far as he could personally take them, but it’s not a given that the next manager will take them further. Gareth completely changed the energy and mood of the NT and will be missed.
Some people are celebrating, yet they should hold their horses and be careful what they wish for. Southgate has raised standards and expectations. Under Southgate England has gone deep into tournaments. There is now an expectation to win and get to finals. If the next man doesn't qualify or get out of the group-stage, people will be crying out for Southgate in a few years time! There will have to be pragmatism at times, not all teams can merely be turned over. In terms of the new manager: If English, has to be: Eddie Howe or Carsley. If non-English: Klopp (though doubtful he would ever take, as he wants to relax, so no idea why his name is being constantly thrown into the mix). No way Lampard, Rooney or Gerrard. They have poor man-management and inter-personal skills. No way: the Argentian Pochettino.
I agree, Southgate has actually raised the standard of the England national team and this is what ultimately cost him his job. What would have been considered a success a few years ago is now considered a failure of a tournament. It won't be easy to replace him although I believe it was the right thing to do.
All these England's happy that Southgate has gone! welcome to another long patch of not even getting to semi finals😂😂 You'll be begging for him to come back, years down the road.
Exactly… people are delusional or stupid or both. The man got them to 2 finals and a semi final. They say he has had easy draws… well England has had plenty of winnable draws in the past and gone nowhere. Ungrateful sods.
I agree entirely. Robson was a made a saint for just getting us to the 90 semi in Italy; same for Venables. Southgate is going to be missed. Mark my words.
I think a lot of journalists seem to live in another world. Where reality is not reflected or observable. Absolute trash journalism. Most knighthoods aren't warranted, so that doesn't bother me. But to not reflect reality, is bad. Another manager would love to work with this upcoming group of players and the salary is fantastic. No mention of the lucky draws or consistently bad football and poor tactics. Should be praised for his defensive stability, but apart from that should be criticized, he gets paid enough. The football in friendlies, qualifying and tournaments has been so boring me and a lot of casual un-brainwashed fans have not bothered watching for about 4 years except when absolutely necessary.
Unfortunately in life moving forward 20 years down the track will anybody remember Gareth’s wonderful job with the players some one will ask did he win anything unfortunately the response will be no
out of all managers on shortlist to become england manager i'd go for pochettino because he's very good at getting best out of youngsters, like he did out of cole palmer for ex, and think he would deffo have more chance than southgate to take this team one step further
I agree with Eddie Howe being in the frame because our best players are our attacking players like Foden, Bellingham, Saka, Palmer and Howe plays attacking football and improves players so...
Eddie has never won anything, let him win something first and get more European football under his belt then it will be the right time. Newcastle had a tough champions league group but didn't navigate getting out of it. He's had 3 european matches and never played in a tournament himself. I don't see us getting past last 16 in any tournament with Eddie, as much as I think he is fantastic. Let's give him time!
I think that Southgate deserves to be considered an all time great England manager behind only Sir Ramsey and thats a fact Southgate was 180 minutes and 3 goals away from being the very best ever .
@@thydevdom he also got very lucky in the draws in all competitions. No Argentina in semi finals, no Brazil in quarters and so on. As soon as he faced half decent opposition, in Italy and France, he went out
Thanks for the memories but English pundits and media need to understand JUST cus Southgate was better than previous awful managers does NOT make him a Good manager. You could tell in 2016 he was NEVER going to win a major comp and unfortunately it’s taken nearly 10 years later for half the English fans to be proven Right…
Can't stand listening to all these sycophants saying about his "successes", 2 finals and a semi-final. The fact is that any above average manager with the world class talent available to him would have probably won 3 trophies. So NO, Southgate was not that good. Sorry.
Destiny is calling Klopp. He is more loved in UK than in Germany. 80% of EPL & EC (Tiers 2 to 4) & Scots & Welsh & irish & non-league fan's, 2nd fave club is the reds (LFC). Due to Jurgen, Sir Kenny, Paisley, Shankley, John Barnes, Souness, Rush, Keegan, Owen, VVD, Hendo, Carra, Stevie G, et al. My WBA may not win the UCL soon, but boy do those baggies love the reds on Euro nights. Many were at Istanbul in 2005, etc Jurgen or Peps or Anceloti or R.Mancini or A.Conti or M.Lippi will end 62 yrs of hurt at the UK based Euro28, (if not at the USA World Cup 2026, but serial winners Messi & Argentina will probably defeat 3 🦁 in that final) Gareth laid the foundation of future success & is appreciated by the majority of 3 🦁 fans. (ESPN poll of 20000+ fans shows 3 in 5 fans think he did a good job). A nice guy who did his best, thats all u can ask for. I think he will win a cup with a nice club like Cyrille Regis's WBA. Prof A.G.Haq.
What a shame Southgate has resigned. We need a manager who can unite the olayers, who's tatically ineot, who doesn't know how to utilise the qualty of players we have. A defensive coach who plays players un their wrong positions, being reactive than proactive. No wonder the players love him because they always get picked. I love this.mentality that failure of reaching two successful finals and not winning is seen as a success... Please bring Southgate back we need someone who can put his arms around the olayers when rhey come out and cant handle the criticisms which were fair. Should Soutgate get Knighted, for what? Being a nice genuine gentleman and not winning ANYTHING... Wouldn't auprise me, as a nation we love to support mediocrecy....
Teams on our level and then mentions Spain, Germany and Italy. Laughable! We are not an emerging nation he says. You are not that far off from the emerging nations. You will not win anything with this attitude. Your starting point can't be that you are better than you are when history suggests otherwise.
How tough can it be,playing 10 to 15 games a year,you get the pick of every good player in the country,2 million a year,more free time than any job out there,let's see him go manage a team like ireland with very few good players.
He shouldn't have chosen the players that the media/public wanted and stuck to the team he had created regardless of club form, you can't put strangers together and expect they to gel
The first thing that comes to Carragher when it comes to management is how to deal with the media 😂😂😂 Talk about winning, and England will never win anything for as long as they have English managers managing. How many English managers are managing abroad? So thats just typical English entitlement?
This was the first time he done everything the media/ public wanted on choosing players and broke up a team, Maguire,sterling,grealish and Rashford were 4 of the biggest personalities in the team Southgate created and he basically sold them all at once,like Barnes said international football is completely different to players who pkay in a system with there clubs and told exactly what ro do and you can't do that at international football, why Spain are so good is they make a team and dont pick players on club form or whose best, i think its terrible Southgate didn't keep his team! Also with Bellingham there woth his narcissist toxic personality he made ot like the sven days and doing that advert is almost unbelievable 😂 who would do that?? It will cone out that he was firced to pick Bellingham
Id go for an elite manager Wenger,klopp or mourinho Southgate main negative was inplay subs weren't great need an elite manager to make those decisions under pressure
What a stupid argument! We tried 2 foreign managers so we shouldn't try that again??? Maybe we picked the 2 wrong managers for the squad we had at the time. Maybe it was a personality clash? Maybe it was the wrong formation and tactics for the squad? It's well documented that Capello was the wrong man for England and Sven wasn't much better. You could have the same attitude about Englishmen. Hodgson, Taylor McClaren didn't work, even Southgate, Robson, Venebles and Hoddle didn't win silverware so lets not hire an Englishmen since there been more English managers that have failed than 2 foreigners? No club would have an attitude of ruling out entire nationalities because of a couple of unsuccessful managers. England should get the best man for job. Period. Some foreign managers are loved by the English because of their work in the premier league. If we have the chance of signing someone like Pep or Klopp next year over Potter and Lampard now we should interim and wait. That's how Greece won the Euro's with a German manager. Montella is doing a great job with Turkey and Martinez has been decent with Belgium and Portugal. We're not the only nation with a dirth of top mangers.
