Exactly! She was so pathetic and clingy. She could waited for the guy to ask... It's Paris. She could have insinuated she wanted she wanted to go... But no, she went psycho.
Becky Goodhair thing is... this show depicts many men in its entirety flesh and bone unfortunately. I mean, just look at the guy you replied this to, he thought it was pathetic and psychotic and clingy going out to proof the entire point of this episode. So after all it’s not just a show it’s real life.
Also Big could have just implied he wasn’t going to propose just because she moved (kind of like Charlotte expected proposal soon after she converted for Judaism and caused the fight between her and Harry).
It’s because they view us as some manic pixie dream girls that should give them only joy and nothing else. The minute where we express dissatisfaction with how they behave and how they give us less than bare minimum, they get defensive and closed off because the most of them are incapable off any sort of self reflection.
Messylin do you even watch the show? There are many characters who are strong and hard working and confident like Miranda and Sam. It’s not stupid. It’s complex just like real life. And there’s a lot of nice messages in this show.
@jazinegrrrl Perfect insight. To think she ends up with the guy. I get he's a fan favorite. Suave, debonair yada yada. But for him to go through such a major character transformation with only an affair as an altering arc, rings unrealistic to me. In the real world, Carrie would be his second ex wife.
Jessjess23 Brooks not necessarily so, in the real world, a man can be with a woman for years and still leave her and be engaged to a woman in months. It’s about that spark.
He was upfront from the beginning regarding what he was all about - Carrie tried numerous times to force the relationship that she wanted. They were both wrong.
Omg I am reading this theory in the comments and it blown my mind.. if he met Natasha already and later on married her... Oh no.. and Carrie she married this guy.. I don't know why but this is just...
I had someone like Big. I finally came to my senses and left him. It was the best thing I ever did, I know my worth and I’ll make the sure the man i marry someday knows it too.
Me too, it was during my teen years so I guess it was actually a “junior big”, but whatever. There’s no way you can fix people like him, you just need to run away.
No she isn't. You don't notice Carrie just sitting around waiting by the phone for him do you. That's what a doormat is. Carrie gets upset at him but she still does her writing and she goes out with her friends. Believe me I know what a doormat is from experience. Carrie has to much of a life to be a doormat. She should just tell Big where it can Big-it, if ya know what I mean.
When Carrie says that Big can't factor her into his life in any real way, it is such good acting! I really felt SJP's pain and frustration at the whole situation.
When he said “we’ll figure it out when I get back” is another example of him just stringing her along. He had no intention of working something out together to. And then says “wtf” and gaslit her when she was upset. Creep.
Well, that was before she called him in the middle of the night, hysterical and pushing things. Where she didn’t even give him a chance to do anything. He said MAYBE he would go to Paris and the work has something to do with it. And here comes her highness Carrie and DEMANDS that she decides there something, when it wasn’t even about her. These scene makes so much sense actually.
My God he really didn't like her at all did he. How on earth did the fans think it was a good idea for them to end up together? Imagine how crushed carrie must have felt after this. All he probably felt was relief
I never looked at the 2 of them and went ohhh how romantic everrrr. They were 2 adults who were supposedly worldly and sophisticated and experienced but their r/s seemed dysfunctional, a living breathing wreck. I felt there was no purity in the feelings they had for each other. It was just sex, fine dining, the occasional sleepover at each other's homes and a whole plethora of conflicts because of being on different pages. The only r/s in the 6 seasons I felt envious of was the one of Charlotte and Harry. The way she told him I dont care if you ever marry me I just wanna be with you and then he knelt to propose. That beats Carrie's moments with Big in expensive dresses inside expensive restaurants any day.
You forgot when miranda told steve she loved him in the laundry room. That beats charlotte's proposal moment in my opinion. I mean to hear those words coming from miranda... you KNOW she meant them. And then Steve just smiling and going- i love you too. I mean COME ON, it's *you* " sorry but even typing the scene out brings tears to my eyes let alone watching it. It was so pure, so genuine, so unexpected. In a fucking laundry room, no romantic setting, no marriage proposal, no streets of paris with the eiffel tower in the background(carrie's case in the last ep), just completely unplanned and heartfelt and i love that she had known for a long time but took a while to admit it so it was real from the start whether she knew it or not. Best moment in the whole show
Uhmmm only? No. You must be forgetting the moment when Smith shaved his head for Samantha during the peak of his career when she was going thru chemo therapy.
I’m not sure if this was intentional but did anyone else notice that when Carrie says “This is about you being so freaked out that you have to put an ocean between us” they’re both standing at opposite ends of the kitchen island? it’s like the director was trying to emphasize with the setting that they’re physically and emotionally growing apart.
cirila dewi lanch oh well. Men act like this only because you allow them to. When you find someone that doesn’t respect you and treats you shitty you just have to let them go and move on. Clearly Big never really wanted a serious relationship with Carrie, yet she kept pushing and going back to him and trying to make it happen. She looked desperate to him and men don’t find desperate women attractive at all. So if someone doesn’t want you, have some self respect and let them go. Their loss. But what do I know huh
Big was always honest with Carrie, she just wouldn't get the hint. She thought he would change for her, that she'd turn him into a family man or something and because he wouldn't, she presented him like the bad guy. How many times had he shown her that she wasn't indeed "the one" and she constantly went back for more.
No he wasn't honest because he always gave her false hope stringing her along ... he must have told her straight but he was never ever honest, he was playing with carrie
YES! Everyone acted like Big was this horrible person for not wanting her to come to Paris, but realistically? He wasn’t wrong. Carrie would have uprooted her whole life to follow him to Paris for a year, and as we all saw in season 6, that is a terrible idea- she was miserable and lonely in Paris. And what pisses me off the most? Carrie literally led Aiden on two seasons later, to the point where she *accepted his marriage proposal* even though she did not actually want to marry him. And this was after cheating on him, too. And yet Big was somehow the problem? Yeah, I don’t think so. Carrie was a terrible girlfriend who made everything, even Big’s work obligations, about her.
Thank you! I was going to comment something like this, but you've said it. Big was always honest with Carrie: he found her interesting and wanted sex. He never made any indication of wanting a relationship. Carrie pushed and tried to get more personal. Big knrw Carrie was immature and emotionally unstable so he never wanted outright to tell her, "Look. I'm not into you". Big's only fault is that he should have cut off all ties with her to make it clear that he didn't want her.
The scene is completely realistic in my opinion, especially when she says you said you loved me and he replies.. I do.. while he’s also saying not to move to Paris for him? It’s a complete mind fuck, that would confuse anyone. People can say what they want about Carrie she was immature, a shit friend, she was pathetic etc but I can’t fully blame her in this on and off relationship, he was like a magnet to her, he would chase her and then push her away in such an ongoing cycle, and it was hard for her to completely cut it off especially because he had money, class, and she was attracted to him etc and when you really look at it he wasn’t an awful evil guy, he just wasn’t the best when it came to their on and off toxic relationship , he never really knew what the hell he was doing! I wouldn’t be surprised if he had met Natasha around this time and so he was off with Carrie all of a sudden Iv been in a situation like that, where I was in a toxic on and off relationship with a guy who would mind F me constantly, telling me he didn’t want a relationship and girlfriend right now but if he did he would date me, it was a mess. But he ended up cutting me off when he did meet another girl behind my back and behaved like Big did here. In the end they didn’t last just like Big and Natasha didn’t, and he did try contacting me and crawling back into my life, only I grew up and I forced myself to leave him in the past. Sometimes I wish Carrie had of been as strong to do so too! But sometimes I can’t help but love their relationship here and there throughout the show.
So Big goes to Paris and marries Natasha. Carrie and Big have an affair. Carrie goes off to Paris with Alexander. Big flies to Paris to get Carrie. They marry and he drops dead in the shower. The End.
the crazy and sad thing is that we've all been in this kind of situation at some point or another, it sucks that sometimes people get strung along like this yeah it seems like its meant to be but timing is everything i suppose. i feel carrie so much
Being hurt countless times by Big wasn't enough to walk away once and for all.Doing things and wanting to be a part in the life of someone who doesn't really give a damm about you...So devastating a total dead end relationship...It hurts awfully when you realise that you're not significant for the person who's significant for you.
the way she kisses him, talk to him.. and he is so distant. He does not care. "Are we thinking of doing something?"... wake up Carrie there is no "we". He's just stringing you along and then he will marries the first girl he meets. "Why is it so hard?" He does not want you dear! Stop forcing a relationship onto him!
Eliza Bentley or how about Im a fan of Carrie who has Sense of humor and You are a Leftist hate monger who will die a virgin because the substance you are delussional eating up the remnants of your humanity.
Carrie is a hopeless romantic child and Big is a pragmatist business guy. The scene is where fantasy got crushed by reality. Carrie is acting based on the future she created in her head and Big is acting based on the present, he’s just being realistic
She was always role-playing to entertain him, just trying so hard. Isn't it ironic how Aiden pressured Carrie and he's labeled a bully but when she pressured Big, that was justifiable. Carrie kept going off by the rails, throwing fits at Big's place, at parties, in restaurants, in the streets everywhere really and that's just fine. There's no great love, not even much in common except they're both narcissists. She wanted the status, glamor and riches he could provide.
You have completely misunderstood the entire SATC. They were meant to end up together. "Carrie you're the one" is what he tells her in season 6. They have such great chemistry.
Well by the end of the series we ge to realize why big wanted carrie to go to paris only for herself and not him. She would be lonely and alone in one of the most beautiful places of the world.
Never in a million years a man like Big would have married a woman like Carrie... She's been sooooo desperate and needy and clingy all the series I couldn't bare it and no normal man ever would. The ending is a beautiful fairy tale which would have never happened in a real life. I love SATC but Carrie's behavior in relationships is way out of line.
She was not needy she was in love that's the difference all she wanted from him was to treat her with love and respect like any kind of relationship there's nothing wrong with that . whoever you are would you be happy if your husband or wife neglect you all the time and don't show any commitment? I don't think so
I thought I was the only one that thought that way. A lot of people felt like Big was an asshole and didn't care. But he was honestly just calm and collected about how he approached Carrie's behavior.
The reason he ended up with her is because he got older and realized he wanted to be with someone who loved him and nobody loved him the way Carrie did.
BULLSHIT. Narcissists like Big literally bring out the worst in you and can reduce the strongest of women to insecure little girls. It's crazymaking what they do to you
My son’s father is/was my Mr. Big. I don’t understand the hold he has on me even now. I’ll be glad when I meet someone someday who makes me not even think twice about him.
Oh my 🙉 the more i watch and think about the situation the more rediculous it gets. She looks like obsessed with him. She is not his wife, they dont live together, he never promissed anything to her, he didnt ask her if she would consider to join him. ...Her behaviour can not be attractive to anybody, its scary. I understand her feelings but kinda she made it all up herself, she desided to stay with the man who can not commit, who has lots of issues and old habbits, she is obviously not the girl he dreamed of, i think he liked her a lot, even loved her, but he wanted someone well mannered, classic. I guess it hit him hard too when he realised he actually loved her as she was funny and he loved talking to her, laughing with her....but it deffinately was time consuming for him to decide if he really would want to spend the rest of his life with her. I could never wait for a guy like that, too complicated for me 😣 but i guess could be fine for someone. 🤔
well she was too clingy and too girlie for her age. Coming to a guys appartment wearing costumes and buying Fastfood to guy who eats in posh restaurants. Oh please... she is 35 and acting like 17 to a man who dates models.
I think Big was misunderstood with this Paris thing tbh. He said he didn’t want to tell her until he got more details because it wasn’t 100% happening and she freaked out about how he never factors her in and then says to him the next day “I’m not gonna come” which either means she just invited herself or he wanted her to come. And also he says “I have to be in a relationship where if I have to go to Paris I have to go to Paris” which probably means his previous wife wasn’t bothered that he went away for long amounts of time as it was for work and he himself didn’t think it was as big of a deal as Carrie thought it was as she has probably never been in a long term relationship with a wealthy business man who puts his work as one of the main priorities. He just thought if he told Carrie it would be a quick talk and not a deep chat and assumed that they would do long distance/ he would come to NY a few times and vice versa. So Carries outburst was confusing to him and at this point he realized he couldn’t be with someone who didn’t understand what his work requires that’s why he replies with “I understand”. So in conclusion Big wasn’t the bad guy in this situation but instead needed someone who understood his work. It was not about that he didn’t love Carrie, which he did, it was about his job.
Look, some women want more casual relationships, some are looking for more of a commitment. We're not a monolith. But the issue here was a woman more interested in commitment with a man who was not. That's just a toxic set up and it's not going to work. You have to get on the same page about it, one way or another, by some point. And it's better to figure that out sooner rather than later.
all she wanted was a committed relationship from big. gor her to know that thuer relationship was real and on the road to somwhere but he kept his distance from her all the time. he didnt know what he wanted. but he did know that he didnt want carrie to be with another man and moving forward with him.
He wanted a classy woman, Carrie was fun and easy not marriage material. In the end he settled for her. Really I think he wanted someone like both Natasha and Carrie in one person but couldnt find it so he had to pick one. He messed up with Natasha and then eventually only Carrie left because she was desperate and a doormat. A woman with class like Natasha could love him to death but never go back after such an awful thing such as cheating. Carrie accepted any behaviour.
So true. Big had 2 classy ex-wives (the publisher and Natasha) and couldn't make it work with either, so in the end, when he was older and not really that much of a catch anymore, he settled for the doormat who followed him around for years. He probably thought "Well, I don't have many years left anyway, might as well get me a free hospice nurse."
At some point there is a BIG in every Gal's life: Unfortunately for MY Mr. BIG if we do not get it right this time around?? *DO NOT LOOK FOR ME NEXT LIFETIME*
You would think Carrie would look at Steve, Harry, and Smith and think "My friends seem so happy. I want a boyfriend like that". And she had Aidan at one point! Some girls just like to suffer.
If I recall correctly, on Carrie and Big's first date they didn't even bother going out on a date and went straight to bed...the relationship was inevitably doomed.
What I hate is that they got married and Big had miraculously changed. So unrealistic! He would have never changed, not in million years. And it gives hope to lots of women in abusive relationships. Not good.
@@MsCF98 all those womanizers or game players or "lonely wolfs" that I know remained single even when they became old. They still have affairs with different older and sometimes even younger women. So... for them age changed only a range of women, not the attitude. Sure they can't hang out that much anymore, but their way of life in general haven't changed. 🤷♀️ My father is one of those guys, by the way. 😄😬
He was such an asshole to blame her that it is not the relationship that he wants. Even if you have a friendship you might tell people "you know what, I might go to another continent permanently but it has been nice to have met you" or something, you dont just throw the bomb. Even if you don't love someone who is in your life or you dont feel the need to keep them,, you can still be mannered and sensitive.
I can't believe I never realized how awful Big is when I watched this at eighteen. I mean, yeah, Carrie's a needy mess and she should've walked out a hundred times. But Big is just awful. Even in the scenes where they're meant to be flirting and getting along, everything he does is calculated to keep himself in control of their entire dynamic. What a POS.
No big was cool. Carrie is worshipping likd she does Material things. Carries sees big as a LABEL! She wants to wear big. Big needs Love from a woman who does not depend on designer shoes to feel good about herself. Carrie was being too Clingy and trashy. Bringing Mc.Donalds to a man with such class is just cheap! She was being to ghetto for him. He was moving to Paris and Carrie was dressed like a homeless person.
Big is not wrong. He made it perfectly clear the boundaries of the relationship. A mature woman would have been grateful that he wasn't making false promises.
Amen!!!! Ppl stay saying he was mean but I can respect a person more if they lay the cards out on the table and allow me to make a decision rather than lying and blindsiding me. She kept choosing him and he kept saying “ ON MY OWN TERMS”. He give a little and she’d want more, he’d give a little and she would want even more although he made it crystal clear he couldn’t tell her she was his person. She kept doing this to herself. She could have left and stayed gone since they wanted different things. You can’t play victim when he told you from the beginning.
