CAS DESTROYING GROUND BATTLES in WAR THUNDER 

It's been along time since you played on japanese tank. Right ??

I'd like to see you set down to another rpg or something we dont normally see you playing think would be really interesting

Pls plays whit surbaissé but whit hesh IS so fun

german 7.3 is a must 🙃

Is 7 with t 90 ;) and BMP and to top it all off ASU 57

Until 8.0 than we Start getting balanced. But that Stopps at 9.0 😄

no no the people that play attackers in Ground RB are thier becasue they get slapped in Air RB

Its a platform to pad Air KD's. GB is still a plane game, just with tanks in it.

Facts

I came to this game for tanks, and stayed for air rb, now i bring my joy of planes to people on the ground 😁

Let's go boats in Ground RB would actually be a good way of balancing planes

Lets see how they like dual purpose guns of post war ships mhmmm. Good luck dogfighting while trying to avoid AA fire u plane scums

@@cc-bk3tx I would LOVE a mode that has ground, air and naval. It would be hard to implement, but man would it be fun lol

@@cc-bk3tx Until you met a ka 50 or somemig27 XD

@@Jezza_C_WT That’s what they tried to do with the World War mode and the Enduring Conflicts. It didn’t really work as well as was hoped though, for obvious reasons. With all of the bugs and br compression, WT will just not be nearly as much fun as it used to be back in 2013-2015 era. And the silver lions out to just be removed entirely, as the serve no real purpose than to be a hinderance

That was the only air kill that day 😂

Putting several 40mm bofors holes in a helicopter and it doesn't even take damage 🙃

Taking your AA and shooting bits off the plane, it is a burning wreck "aircraft destroyed" is on your screen. You start looking to see if there are more planes up, 10 seconds later the plane you "destroyed" has turned around 180 and bombed you.

​@@keithrogers6876thats not even funny... But damn you are right 😢

Well... As fan of that kind of armor I actually get much more shit from little shit that shot heat.

Bro fuck the HSTVl, it should be removed or nerfed. It bounces shells it shouldn't be able to, has bs survivability with things that should completely destroy it. It's a never tested prototype, and it over performs. Being able to 1 shot tanks with a tiny 57mm Is completely bs

Actually fosh is mobile as a light/medium tank, but it's a big target. Probably hard not to notice. Actually I would like to play with these 2 so some day in the future;)

@@DOLLARplays т28. Less heet more fun.

@@bubsy3861 yeah I forgot heat . Like 7.7 heavy tanks just get destroyed by some heat slinger from a lower br like type 60 and m50 ontos.

OP I find to be a slight bit better then hull break was. Hull break legitimately made a large majority of light tanks unenjoyable at best. Nothing was more frustrating then getting shot in the track. That be the only think that was damaged. And getting hull broke. Most of the time it was heatfs. But even the fucking 76mm heatfs from the t92 would hull break light tanks sometimes. Stupid ass mechanics

If you can't hear the plane coming to bomb you it's because they put their engine to 0% throttle. Not many do it since it's not really necessary. I keep a fighter in my ground lineup just to kill attackers and bombers. It's fun to see bad pilots die and try to respawn in AA hoping that they will get you, untill they realize that you are there only to kill other planes and not to strafe people in tanks.

Limiting players to only 1 air spawn sounds like a really great solution. Combine that with a higher cost for planes and a cap on like 3/4 aircraft playing at the same time for each team, and finally ground RB could be enjoyable.

@@Blorb137 fun and games till gaijin drops anti-radar missiles

The increase points costs or spawn limit is a bit unreasonable for me since it will make it harder for you to jump into a fighter without bombs to shoot down the CAS that has been harassing your team. I'd propose a 400% sp increase on bombs, ground rockets.

1 air spawn sounds cool but I also think that the airfield should be further away, or maybe fighters without bombs get the normal airfield but bombers can only spawn at a distance, +give nuke an air spawn + match extension. Or maybe they decrease the rewards for CAS kills. Like yea I get that CAS can help kill an op tank that got downteired but most if the time they just bomb half the team before it even leaves the spawn and then strafe every light tank into oblivion

Helis in general arent even broken.. there is few exceptions like russian ka-50 and ka-52 and the new chinese heli. Other than that they are pretty balanced. You actually need to be good to do well in other helis.

Helicopters are rp piñatas.

@@filonin2 exactly. Pretty much alö helis are so easy to kill especially in top tier. Exceptions are ka-50 and ka-52 as they are flying tanks and can fly when fully blacked out

@@kidsinafrica3080 you ever see the dude that uses full vr with choppers he’s why they are broken at max potential

It's called mix battles regardless of the wording. Your frustration is noted and disregard.

Eliminating planes from ground RB will make AA useless. The problem in war thunder is that a large majority play as a lone wolf, nobody plays AA and covers allies. But cooperation is a must in this game and 99% of the community didn't understamd that

J-ing out to prevent a cancer plane from getting the kill is the best thing I have ever heard about this game. Congrats on behalf of the majority of the ground rb playerbase who’s tired of cas.

@@Vins9393 The problem in this case is not the community but the game. When they give almost no reward for teamwork and make chat usable only once every 30 secs they make it clear that teamwork is not only not advisable for grinding but also extremely difficult. And come on, anti air are at the same time incredibly OP against ground targets but absolute garbage against planes, with few exceptions.

@@albero319 J-ing out to deny kills is cringe, bro. If you want to play tanks only, World of tanks is probably more your style. And no, the majority of GRB playerbase is not tired of CAS. They just learn to git gud and become proficient with SPAA and killing CAS with their own planes.

true.

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also i find this content more fun than the game itself tbh

@@loc1123 THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. War Thunder is a game to be watched, not played, played by someone that's really really good, like Dollar or Oddbawz.

oh that would do the trick for sure

They could atleast add better aa, but lol that 8s True they could add an option or smth

@@fodetraore6666 or give us manually adjusted timed fuse delays without having to rangefind for it

Planes gets most kills? What? With br you play?

@@bubsy3861 at the moment i play 5.7. it happens often enough that i kill someone who already has 2 kills. then they come back in a plane and get around 4-6 kills more. some people arent good enough to play tanks in ground battles but also not good enough to play planes in air battles

The issue is with most fighters being able to carry 500kg bombs & how anti-air is so weak to planes. CAS just feels unfair when they can easily kill you but you can’t even fight back. (This is from the perspective of a 5.3-6.3 Russia player) (I use the zsu-37 for AA, I know it’s shit but I’m researching the BTR-ZD)

@@thecubeearthsociety6761 Problem is that people thinks from "fair or not" perspective. Someone get advantage on you and it's not fair coz you on different level of capability. But in my opinion that game build up on "unfair" mechanics so that can't be change and don't need to be. Plains and helicopters made to counter ground force and they do. They do it even before playable ground forces was made and should do. But it may be a good point to make it less affordable or make some limits in case of spawn points or numbers in the sky.

@@MrPopel-hc8fn i allways love it when you destroy someone and He comes 10sec later with a bomb. Knowing exactly where i am. We call that a "skycancer rageboner" 😐

Totally agreed. If you are in the air it's very satisfactory but in a tank and planes up ahead very bad.

@@justfly7730 Serious question. How would you be able to balance said mode when you are one hundred percent going to get stuck cause of some rando mcamp spots that you can't deal with using ground?

At minimum they should increase spawning in a plane requirements.

​​@@SleeprunnerInc you still can outplay tank with another tank, but you can't outplay bombs unless you're very fast. Plane spawncampig is even worse

​@@SleeprunnerInc Smoke and smoke shells come to mind if somebody is camping spots. Better map design would go a long way, but the point is There's always a way a tank can beat another tank. But there is nothing a tank can do versus a plane (except lower tiers with .50 if the pilot is an idiot flying low, slow and predictable) Getting obliterated from 8 Km up by TV guided missiles is not fun. Getting stuck because heli camps you from 10Km away is not fun. Respawning to die in spawn by plane is not fun. Don't even start the "but it's realistic" argument, because you'd only be using half of it... the half that suits you. You'd be conveniently forgetting the other half of realism which is the extensive AAA webs that would be everpresent throughout the map, everywhere, giving you no chance. Plus, it's a game, not a simulator. I find it amusing how the only players defending planes in ground RB are the actual plane players XDDDD. Did a lot of polling in the game chat throughout the years and THE ONLY players sticking up for planes were - guess who? - the plane players that had the top page of their stats full of planes. What a coincidence is it not?

That's an idea

I am one hundred with ya in that it needs to be increased and needs to be plane specific. For instance a PE-8 should not be spawnable with just one kill. It should be spawnable after 3 kills and a capture MIN.

That makes sense until radar guided AA, the fact that a plane with bombs cost way more than a heli with atgms while being less effective is crazy. Before radar I agree 100% after radar AA the down points need to go down with helis going up.

@@michaele1564 the bombers and bomb equipped planes in the br's where you have sams can drop their bombs from low earth orbit where jack shit but a jet can get you, a helos atgms have relatively short ranges.

@@CoreStarter Until missile AA like the 2S6 and Adats most heli atgms outrange gun based AA. Guided bombs like ATGMs should be high SP cost, dumb bombs should be lower than Helis with ATGMs. Most ATGMs are 5km or better. There is no reason a KA-52 with 10km ATGMs should be lower SP than an SU22 or F4 with dumb bombs. And at 8.0 br a lot of planes don t have ccrp either but AA like the gepard can smoke you anywhere within 2-3km.

That's a good recommendation 👍🏻

The Type 75 SPH HEVT shell doesn't detonate on planes, only on ground targets.

@@sanitavoadora it does and it works quite well!

@@sanitavoadora it does, git gud.

Just rebalance spawning points, other things work not perfect, but good 1. SPAA already cost 70sp, if people cant realize them, it's their problem, not only sitting in spawn places, where CAS can easily detect and kill you, but also moving and changing positions to be near friendly land units to COVER THEM 2. Planes can't take objectives (OMG), they only can help to win for team by team working with land players. If you loosing all objectives, picking CAS changes nothing. 3. Heli's are other problem, in one side we have russian top tier helis but in other side we have unbalanced tech tree for nations beside usa and ussr, where you must first struggle too have something playable. I think they need full rework

@@h_adik6461 spaa are absolutely underwhelming when fighting air targets, just moving away from the spawn doesn’t change how shit they are. Having cheap anti air is necessary because of the shit show which is CAS, but it’s also a problem because of how disturbingly OP most anti airs are against ground target.

@@h_adik6461 "Fixing spawns" does NOT solve the CAS problem. you would have to put an impenetrable 1km² roof above every spawn so they can't spawnkill you, since CAS can literally shred you from 90° above you, higher than any SPAA can aim. 1. SPAA aren't the solution to 4-5 CAS on the enemy team since there's no way you can engage even just 2 at once, non-radar SPAA is weak against planes that aren't flying directly towards you (and even then they can often kill you with a bomb or their autocannons when they already count as being destroyed), and if you shoot at any plane the others know where you are. SPAA help against single planes or pairs of them if you're cautious, but not against several at once. Lastly, if you spawn an SPAA, kill a plane, and another plane kills you, then you don't have your SPAA ready to clear the skies, so you're pretty helpless. (taking several SPAA in your slots means you significantly weaken your ground line-up, and sorry, I'm playing tanks to fight tanks, not to shoot at CAS all day) -> again, if you'd limit CAS to 1-2 active per team, that would strengthen the role of SPAA, especially pre-radar, since you can focus more on those 1-2 planes, plus if you kill a plane and the 2nd sees you from that, you have a chance to fight back, which you do not if there's suddenly 3-4 planes going after you bc you're the only threat 2. if there's 4-5 planes destroying your team's entire front, they don't need to cap objectives. the remaining enemy tanks can just take them uncontested, since your team gets wiped again before they're anywhere near any objectives. And since they cost alot of spawn points, chances are your team is already on the back foot (and probably is down a few players which makes up for the enemy having some sitting in planes) 3. honestly they should just take away the guided missiles from the helis, they're only really bad when you get randomly blown up from a black dot high in the sky 8+km away

@WieseAufmWald > "Fixing spawn" doesn't solve cas problem If game gives you chance to spawn on plane even you died doing nothing, it's problem. Before you must at least kil 2-3 enemies to take air spawn, now taking somthing lower cost spawn (SPAA) and capturing objectives give you opportunity to flight. 1. I talked about how most people play on SPAA, they can't even hit taragets flying diagonally from them. Shooting to distance where their ammo explodes before reaching, EVEN with radars they are being so blind, crowding in one place, interesting why they're so weak 2. Again, most of players are can only fly-by drop bombs. I tell it, because i am also spaa and cas player, most of time i see how spaa players can't even realize good machines, and how players on easily earn spawn points takes planes and die with bomb 3. As i told, realize SPAA, they all can clear sky in hands of people, who can realize them (ironically, good SPAA is a good pilot too, because he can predict and know how planes fly). They are all good machines, i can't even tell which of them can be bad, they all with tank support can be played in light tank style gameplay, be in front and increase survival rate, but no we will seat in spawn and can't even turn heads back and hear enemy planes, because CAS is so OP

@@dierare and yeah, there are far more worse problems. delete those 3d markers in RB, it's really annoying, those markers are making RB look like slow AB. Bad LODs, map design (hello high tier), one spawn players (maby this is far worse than CAS and the reasons why all we lose in games?), spawn system (ab and sb far more enjoyable with 3 spawn systems)

those .50's are probably the best aa at low tiers

They really need to help out low/mid tier AAs, I have the sweed AAs and they are so hard to use because they not only shoot slow but the projectile is slow so I never know just how far I need to lead, plus the br jump between the shit ones and the good ones is brutal

"but muh historical accuracy" you can't do stuff like that, this isn't an arcade game where that stats can be blatantly fudged. the best way to deal with the problem is to make planes prohibitively expensive with SL and/or spawn points, that, or just do what any reasonable game developer would do and ADD A GROUND ONLY MODE!

@@RYNOCIRATOR_V5 yeah historical accuracy, exept when Panther fight some 1941 tanks.. And when B1bis have to face 1945 Heat....

@@valian8985 that's a retarded matchmaking issue, not a "i'm going to change technical details because it suits me" issue

@@RYNOCIRATOR_V5 But they are "blatantly fudged" If not by randomly increasing/decreasing stats on pen or armour, by adding vehicles that never saw active service. like the Maus, Panther 2, RT3 with auto cannon, Even worse they put that RT3 1980's tech up against WW@ vehicles. They will not introduce a "tank only" mode, as it means taking away the need to research the air tree... therefore taking away possible profit as people won't use GE/Premium to speed up that grind. Just Wont Happen.

@@iffracem 'They will not introduce a "tank only" mode', yes, this is why i uninstalled

there's a lot of options how improve things

@Muntather Aldamok u can frekin get a fighter or a attack aircraft with an assist in a light tank... my idea is: just increase the cost of aircraft a bit, but I N C R E A S E payload sp requirements, like fighter is 800 sp, cas is 1200, bomber is 1250 too (cuz they suck in any mode, unless no air is fighting u), and then make bombs have HUGE cost, so u need alot of sp to get cas, like p47 with alot of bombs and rockets is 1200sp+ like 300-500 for payload, so almost a 2000sp, balanced for me

OR...they are just DAMN expensive to spawn at all...100k+ considering how much bullshit dmg a rusty ww2 russian plane can do.

@@Kroetens u can frekin get a fighter or a attack aircraft with an assist in a light tank... my idea is: just increase the cost of aircraft a bit, but I N C R E A S E payload sp requirements, like fighter is 800 sp, cas is 1200, bomber is 1250 too (cuz they suck in any mode, unless no air is fighting u), and then make bombs have HUGE cost, so u need alot of sp to get cas, like p47 with alot of bombs and rockets is 1200sp+ like 300-500 for payload, so almost a 2000sp, balanced for me

They could try to make two separate game modes (tanks only and mixed) just as a temporary event, so they could see how many people would be interested in each mode. Of course it will never happen, because gaijin is too preoccupied about queue times to do something like this or to decompress the BRs.

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No no no no dont doit you Will suffer pls trust me i also wanted to play the foch but you probably know how It ended up

У них там есть вроде автоматические наземные стационарные орудия,может в этом причина?Наземным боям тоже не помешало что то подобное

Probably this is not possible because they don't want split the playerbase. They could significantly increase SP points retirements for planes, and that would do the trick

Never. Naval battles are combined too and I don't see people complain about it even though it's really easy to sink ship due to their sizes.

The number and commonality of planes drops off dramatically in Sim (because people can’t fly with the instructor in Sim)… but of course Sim battles are quite rare compared to RB…

@@Lizardry90210 generally cause most ships have enough AA to kill a plane and with high enough crew skill they usually don't get close.

@@Lizardry90210 It is much more complicated to sink a ship with planes than to destroy a tank. Also, many boats have automatic AA systems that are really accurate. Leaving aside that there are not many players who play naval battles

I hate big maps because of cas. Sometimes you drive for 5 minutes, and before you can even see an enemy tank you get bombed.

A big problem imo is actually being effective with AA is pretty much impossible for your average player-you'll most likely be a free kill even if arcade

Berlin is especially bad when it comes to spawn bombing. If most of your team has been killed in a small amount of time, at the same time that a large group of CAS is coming in, your team are just fish in a barrel. I remember a recent match where for about 5 minutes our team was being continuously bombed in spawn. It was quite spectacular lol

Then people would complain about being killed by CAS AND Ai tanks.

@@priceless3020 We used to have AI tanks when ground forces released, never saw anybody complain.

I feel like that's the best solution

Or reduce the spawn points for ground vehicles so you can just have more lives. It’s dumb that each spawn becomes +100% more expensive

Typically those players die pretty quick and are out of the game. I agree with a slight increase but it boils down to players in fighters not doing the fighter role and ignoring bombers while they pepper ground targets to no affect.

I feel like we need something like that

Now retreat!

We do our best! 😉 And happy to do the report 🫡 Now if only they would get to implementing the reload and sight mag reports, that would be swell. And I still have the ammo report to turn in, which will take it from 1060m/s APBC to 1000m/s APCBC. It’ll be kind of a trade off, but I think it will be welcome. Thx for noticing our hard work. It does feel great to enjoy the fruits of your labor. Cheers!

​@@LeGrandSarrazin you're doing god's work😉

@@DOLLARplays ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE--_7FaWnlhS4.html 😉

Planes should be restricted to a single bombing rocket or straifing run and then be out if they really want to push the "realism" excuse

@@smolwavingsnail9028 also rearming bombs should take 1-2+ minutes not 30 seconds or less. depending on the size of the plane

Gee it's almost like IRL where Air superiority determines ground superiority. I wonder why those AA's and Interceptors exist.

@@SleeprunnerInc thats true, but playing against it is painfull

@@SleeprunnerInc we're not gonna talk about how ineffective was the CAS in real life... Especially against mobile objectives like tanks.... Like a really small percentage of tanks destroyed during ww2 goes to CAS, less percentage than things like AT guns, other tanks, infantry, etc... It was extremely ineffective, in war thunder CAS are super effective, destroying everything from light tanks to AA vehicles

​@@SleeprunnerInc glad this is a video game (not real life) where we can move things around for balance reason.

@@SleeprunnerInc wrong. with rare exceptions, historically that was not the case. Do some actual research, you'll find that for all of WW2, most of the cold war kill counts of armoured ground vehicles by planes was grossly over stated. This wasn't stopped by air commanders, as it helped to get more resources, it was encouraged by the propagandists as it helped to build their own troops and civilian moral, and to try to reduce that of the enemy. here's some actual facts. bombs only 5% get within 140 metres rockets 89% got within 140... but needed a direct hit to do any damage guns 32 per 100 rounds actually hit... but required cannons, not MG's to do any damage. Compare that to this game. Also, you have to actually attain air superiority before CAS can be deployed, that process is completely side stepped in this game. Actual stats for Normandy July '44 @ La Balaine, planes claimed 17 hits, after battle analysis showed a max of 2 actually killed. August '44 @ Mortain planes claimed 77 hits, after battle analysis showed a max of 9 actually killed. Ardennes salient planes claimed 66 hits, after battle analysis showed a max of 7 actually killed. Begorod-Kharkov Soviet planes claimed 270 tanks killed, ALL losses from all causes was actually 49, NONE WERE ATTRIBUTED TO PLANES, which the tankers described as just a nuisance. Battle of Kursk Soviet Air Force claimed 3147 tanks knocked out.. Entire losses to all causes was 849 Battle of Kursk Soviet 1st tank army lost 648 tanks, LuftWaffe responsible for only 11 The English captured a Panther in '44, painted it white and put it in a field, Typhoons ( the British rocket ground attack plane of choice at the time) fired 64 rockets at it, only 3 hit. It wasn't moving, painted white and nobody shooting back. 0.5% accuracy. They reckon to increase the possibility of hitting to around 50% they would need 18 Typhoons to fire 140 rockets.... 18 planes for a 50/50 chance to take out 1 unprotected, static tank US did a similar test later on, using F86 with 16 rockets in a side attack on an unprotected Tank, and declared a 0.9% chance of a hit at 500 yards (not likely for a fast jet to be strafing that close anyway), 0.4 at a more normal 1000 yards, and 0.15 at 2000 yards If the tank can fire back with a 50 cal equivalent MG, the hit chance drops to 0.45 at 500, 0.4 at 1000 and remained at 0.15 at 2000 Compare that "reality" to this game. Suicide attacks were only condoned by the Japanese out of sheer desperation, and then only against high value targets, like ships. Every other combatant knows the cost of planes, pilots, crews and their training cost far far more than a single ground vehicle, but in this game it's the meta. Every game at least half the kills by planes is followed a few seconds later by that plane spearing into the ground. The main effective use of air against ground was to soft targets, not tanks. But also psychological effects against inexperienced crews. Captured German crews said the worst effect was the sound of rockets. US had air superiority for most of the Vietnam war, and lost. UN had air superiority for most of the Korean war, that didn't end with a victory either. Desert Storm is the only time that air power definitively decided the battle.

Oh he knows how to play my nerves😅 would be Sith Lord otherwise lol

thanks ;)

Not a good idea when you don't have same tier plane.

@@suthiraksb Even worse when you don't want to fly planes yourself and just play tanks

All I can do is a biplane fighter 😂

But what if you want to play a tank game? as advertised "ground" forces. Saying that you have to play a ground force battle as a fighter to take out CAS is silly, defeats the purpose of playing the game in the first place. If you want a combat flight simulator, there are many far better titles around.

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hey , glad to hear mate 🤟🏻

No idea mate, but if it's true then I see no reason not to make it happen . Check sim battles, there's an option once a week to play against is4's and t54's with Surbiasse

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Actually some SPAA have pretty darn good penetration rounds and mobility, so they can play gunst tanks, like the 2S6 Tunguska, or the PGZ something from China

just create a separate tanks only mode if combined arms dies out then maybe gaigen should sort out the cas/tanks meta so people actually want put up with it

Except in "gaijin land" SPAA is better at removing tanks than planes (except the vehicles with anti air missiles only)

@@iffracem The "SPAA is a TD, and SPG is an SPAA" meta. The reason on why SPAA should also be removed from Ground Vehicles Only Mode. If CAS are cancer, SPAA are even more so.

That would be great

To be fair 2x would be too much more like 1.5x imo because the second air spawn is like 1100sp and nuke is like 2500sp

I get your point, but honestly I enjoy ground attackers in air RB, especially when playing with friends so that you can compensate the lack of maneuverability with superior fire power. I also think anti air should be entirely redesigned to make it less shit against air target and less OP against ground target.

@@albero319 Understandable, I also enjoy flying attackers in air RB, but some of them can be a pain, especially when alone, and especially ones that can't really dogfight, because the heavy firepower and defensive gunners often times is not enough to ward off an entire swarm of fighters. Also, when it comes to SPAA, it really depends on design, some of them can be extremely scary if used by competent players, while others are quite useless in the AA role, and the same can be said for their AT role, it varies from case to case.

Planes shouldn't be removed, but they should be totally rebalanced. You can spawn in a plane by getting one kill and an assist! That's totally stupid. Just by doing that, you get access to a vehicle that can easily get you 3 kills. CAS is exploited way to much, revenge bombing is one of the worst ways to die in this game. Bombs could also be nerfed, so players need to be more accurate with them to destroy tanks.

@@carlblack8574 try sim tanks, where both tanks and air spawn are limited by gaijin

How about an actual mode just for tanks and just rename current ground rb into mixed battle

or just make them take off the airfield and not airspawn

The problem is that encouraging players to go into planes when the team is down on tickets will make it less likely that they have enough tanks to push to cap (to then bring tickets back)…

@@zanaduz2018 It already is like that. It would not change anything except rewarding those who actually are skillfull and lowering CAS spam. Cause they could not suicide bomb near the end of the game since they would most likely be down to just the plane or be out of points anyways.

They need to up their SP prices a lot

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Spawn in a fighter.

@@Gustav_Kuriga I generally am. The best CAS planes are fighters with enough ordnance to kill tanks. Like my AU-1 with its 7000lbs of bombs split between six distinct drops and cannons that will shred panthers, or my G91 and its Nords that can slap a tank from several kilometers away.

When the game removes the air spawn for hight/top tier CAS in air RB, now the true skill is required to aproach the enemy base, bomb and return safe to AF, so could be a nice solution for low/mid lvl planes in ground RB

The smart thing to do back then was for strategic bombers to hit the AA emplacements and for CAS planes to aide in opening up the ground zone to support your team.

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Im a us player and im usually the one getting bombed every battle simply because i exist, naval or ground, always bombs

I agree, but splitting community is something I feel like they don't want to do. But there's other ways to make things more fair

Wont happen, gaijin make their money by the grinding of the tech trees. By frustrating people with the interminable grind, they encourage you to buy GE to "buy " your way through, or premium accounts and/or vehicles to give a small boost to your efforts. A "tank only" mode will mean no-one needs to grind the air tree, therefore revenue goes down. I'm OK with gaijin making money to pay the devs etc and some profit, but currently it seems that's all they care about.

@@DOLLARplays They said they don't want a ground only because it will dilute the player base, and blow out queue times. But if that were the only reason, why introduce naval? Because naval introduces another tech tree to grind, and also has the air tree to grind. More grind... more chances to make $$ They won't take out a chance to make players grind more, that's a net loss in revenue. They don't consider "neutral" revenue gains, only increases. Capitalism 101