@@clabo2043 I really loved the show even before this whole wlw drama started, so... not everyone is here just for the Cazzie content(but i love them too)
They actually have such a healthy relationship,, I mean, I compared to what I'm used to, it seems like it. Elsa actually let's her speak and doesn't scream or yell at her for the snarky comments thrown around. She also doesn't try to control casey and is understanding with her feelings. I
You can’t compare every relationship to the ones you’re used to. Just because some people have it worse doesn’t mean that their problems don’t matter. Im sorry but saying that their relationship is healthy is ignorant
@@soryn2296 they're pointing out the good aspects of the relationship. it isn't really ignorant to state what you're used to and give your opinion, and it's kinda mean to say so.
I can totally relate. My dad has been cheating on my mom but it was way worse when I found out that my mom was cheating on him too. It sucks that I can't tell my brothers either and that we don't have a calendar board in the kitchen.
The fuck? Why is everyone so harsh on her. She cheated yes, most people in marriages do, believe it or not. But she was a wonderful mother to them, for years she dedicated her whole life to her kids and husband, and one little mistake everyone turns on her. That isn't fair. She reminds me of my mum, annoying but always there for me. I think she redeemed herself completely.
Adele it was a stupid and selfish mistake, the intensity of what she did can’t be understated. She destroyed her marriage. Period. Minimizing that shows your lack of values and self control. She should be lucky if Doug fully accepts her back (only watched 2 seasons)
Adele lmao u say that as if most ppl doing it nakes it okay or something. not only did she cheat, but shes also extremely childish & is incredibly rude to julia for no reason. shes also a helicopter mom and refuses to treat her son like a human being because he's autistic. shes a terrible person.
I don't agree with the hate she gets, Elsa is a great character, she's a great mom she gives herself completely. Growing up it's been shown her mom was terrible like Izzie's, so I can understand her. The cheating was a breaking point in her life and while I don't agree with it I understand how she got there, it wasn't magically fixed and it'll haunt her forever, she's a flawed character but she's real, good characters don't always have to be perfect people who do no wrong.
Nah I hate her. Cheating was bad enough but for me it wasn't the worst part, it's that she constantly expect and pushes doug to forgive her and assumes he wants to be around her, and acts like he's unreasonable for holding a grudge for her cheating when he never did anything to hurt her.
I don’t like Elsa. Mostly because she cheated, being really annoying with Sam, hurt Doug, broke her family, and she’s just one of those people I don’t like. 🤷♀️
Likewise. In Season 1, I was indifferent to her, in 2 she became slightly more tolerable, but I came to REALLY love Elsa in Season 3, and sympathise with her!💟😀
Am I the only one who really likes Elsa? I honestly don't get the hate the character gets. Obviously the affair was a horrible thing to do, but it seems pretty clear that it resulted from her not feeling appreciated by her family, from her own roles in the household kind of changing and no one aknowledging it, and pretty obvious communication issues in her marriage. And despite her overprotective, meddly nature, she always strucks me as someone who tries her very best for her kids, even if she is sometimes misguided.
I honestly hate Elsa, after she cheated on doug she just made her way to try and get back into the house by doing all the house work and chores when doug was still dealing with the betrayal, she is so bias and invasive of other peoples privacy and boundaries. the worst thing I think is she is constantly doubting Sam, by not believing he can go to college or travel to Antarctica, even just going to the store without headphones, she never believes sam can push himself.
I like Elsa but Casey had every right to beat her mom up over the infidelity…… Casey and her Dad were close so it’s almost like Elsa betrayed Casey’s best friend.
I think she cheated because not only was she struggling with Sams desire to be independent, but all of her family are awful to her. You might be thinking "How was her husband awful to her?" when they were on their first date since forever, when she wanted to talk about her struggling with Sam's autism & how when he left them for 8 months it was hard on her, he immediately disregarded her feelings & threw himself a pity party. I know Sam doesn't realize he treats her badly, but Casey does, & the way she treats elsa is disgusting. I've had bad times with my mother & I would never disrespect her like that. If anything, they treat her like she's the burden. The bartender treated her like an actual human being with feelings. So i don't blame her for enjoying the feeling of being appreciated. (I don't aprove of her actions, but I understand)
Right? I hated the way Casey treated her, she was intentionally harsh on her. I feel really bad for Elsa. Not to mention her husband literally encourages the kids to ice her out and ignore her.
@UCBLT3cqtq-xgVZ3xCHsqgpQ just because i understand her behaviour, just not mean I approve of it, let's not confuse the two please. she made a horrible mistake & she's paid the price for it & is trying so hard to make amends, because she knows it was all her fault. Before she cheated, what had she done wrong? All she ever did was try to be a good mother & wife, while overbearing at times. & they always threw it back in her face. I never said she was the victim because she did something bad. All I said was that I understood why she was driven to that. I wouldn't defend her if she didn't apologize, If she acted like the affair was Dougs fault. She took responsibility for it & like I said, is trying to make things right with her family. She offered to end the marriage because of what she did & Doug was very upset to hear that. But he didn't discuss what happened with her for ages, so how was she suppose to know what he wanted?
I get why Casey acts like that toward elsa. The way elsa mainly has something to say about Casey, like when she wears baggy clothes that she should wear something different, or that she seems absent, like at the track meet where she broke a record but elsa missed it, and sure most of it is because of sam, but she has two kids and I get how unfair it can be for Casey. I had that same type of mother figure as elsa, and it really hurt me in the long run. She constantly was focused on my brothers and the only time she talked to me was to order me around, tell me I was wrong, or criticize me, so I get why Casey is acts like that towards elsa
I feel like Elsa have already redeemed herself in season 3. I hate how people see her as the only one wrong here! Imagine if your husband left you because you have an autistic child?? He left her carryig those heavy responsibilities that both of them should be facing! I kinda hate Doug for that and I also really hate how Elsa cheated. I think it would be better if they divorce really.
When Elsa went to Izzy’s mom and told her how horrible she is I knew then that she should be forgiven, she made a huuuuuuuuuge mistake but she’s done a lot of good stuff to redeem herself
Hey Netflix...how bout you guys acknowledge that ELSA has ASPERGERS. Just like in real life, Aspie woman getting overlooked because of how much more obvious Sam's Autism is. Women chronically go undiagnosed because they present so differently, and the sad thing is: the vast majority of viewers will ALSO overlook her. Paige is also highly likely to be on the spectrum as well. I'm speaking as a woman in her late 30s who was officially diagnosed a few years ago, and her indicators are practically screaming. PLEASE acknowledge this and HELP people notice women on the spectrum. People dont understand that Autism doesn't look the same for everyone and have a very stereotyped perspective of it.
I think I´m the only one who empathize whit Elsa and thinks Doug is not as goodie two shoes, because, I mean, He can leave his family after his son was diagnosed whit autism, for eight fucking months, then come back as if nothing, and after all those years he stills feel ashamed for his sons condition and then when he is the one treated badly he plays the fucking victim all the time and blames everything on Elsa and refuse to acknowledge his own mistakes, like, talk about trash
But Doug redeemed himself. He came back and tried to rebuild that relationship. Was it wrong he left? Yeah it was but i think he made up for it by being there for the family and helping. What im confused is how are you feeling for Elsa when she cheated on him when things were fine between them? It was not like they had martial problems at the time she cheated. On top of that she was so manipulative on the show with Sam. When he wanted to try different things, she wasn’t ready for it. She would manipulate him but reminding him of the things that would scare him. She projected her own fears and insecurities on Sam when Sam was ready to grow up. Not all parents are perfect. She tried her best to be the perfect mom but she was also trash.
Not looking to argue with anyone about this but personally I kind of hate elsa. She knew she did wrong and I'm sorry but she should have expected to have been punished for her behaviour?! I got so angry when I saw the seen of her kissing nick. Also why was she acting like a child when she started going back to the house? Like I'm sorry but it was so cringy how desperate and childish she was about it how she got dressed up when dough said she could have leftovers for dinner😂 like girl he ain't setting up a date night you just cheated on him? Idk she just really annoyed me when she started to go back there she was so desperate it was hard to watch without cringing.
And idk why she was surprised he didn't forgive her. Two children? Happy marriage? Beautiful family? That can all be left behind from 1 kiss. Literally anything could have happened, and the worst part is that she wasn't honest and didnt tell him. She waited far too long. Then she got caught, which is obviously way worse than confessing. She annoyed me so much it actually made me want to kill myself 😭
may i just say i haaate the character of the mum she is so controlling and pushes her own needs and opinions on her kids and on others around her edit: and she is extremely overprotective which like i get it but still she gets on my nerves
casey is angry on her mom. i dont like elsa but i feel repulsive everytime she tries to hurt her mom. would give everything in this world to have my mom back.
I feel so bad for all the shit Elsa is getting in that horrible family. She went out of her way to help her autistic child while trying to maintain a healthy relationship with that rebellious daughter and no good husband. So she had short affair, big deal… Her husband left the family the moment they needed him the most. For almost a year. I might still not get alot of things since Im only starting season two, but that’s definitely the picture i got so far
@@nigachu8249 Bet its her children’s moral responsibility to give their mom the respect and appreciation she deserves but they obviously don’t feel that.
