Thank you to Castle Milk Stout. Thank you to the agency presenting this. Thank you to all the guests. These Black/African imbizos or CODESAs is so so vital. Ngiyabonga.
Hey Brother Pen, we need Mkhulu, Nkhensani & Gogo on your Podcast, can't wait 🔥🔥🔥 I'm excited already, cos I believe💪🏾 you and your team will make it happen💯🔥
Every time Mkhulu said "NDLOVUKAZI" (unconsciously) when referring to a Woman, I HEALED. I remembered ME. I remembered my BEING. It makes me think that maybe he's said it so many times prior consciously that it then became the Standard word unconsciously. Thank you for this 🙏
Yoh! please may i just give a heartfelt "thank you" to castle milk stout for this conversation as well as the panel chosen, the perfect conversation caught at exactly the right time.
Big thanks to Scoop for representation, years ago the influence from the US was a big part in my life also. Till I developed and had questions aimed at myself on what do I know about my history and where do I belong. I am happy to see umkhuluwa as a product of the same journey I am on.
I imagine such conversation in front of the masses in a physical form. It would be good to be more street conversational. Gather the masses authentically physically yey these terms... Ewe yizani eBantwini Mawethu most of our people lack the access to the digital world well because of the obvious conditions that our villages and so-called townships find themselves in. Bizani iMbizo yaBantu. Camagu
The episode featuring Abba Ayalew Amlak changed my perspective on language, how about we focus our energy on trying to connect soul to soul, we can’t put colour in soul/spirit let’s connect on the highest level.
uMkhulu is right for me. I too believe your own African language has a higher vibration when communicating with them but as Scoop said, language is man made, so gogo does have a point of "intention" when speaking to your ancestors because I don't believe they'll neglect you but instead they'll try learn yours maybe.. Ultimately, before language and symbolism was telepathy
Mina I grew up on Scoop Makhathini on Street Journal. Boy was too fresh too sharp and finessed the whole show. I see how he's taken over the discussion. Boy is too used to being the host. Love it.
I like how uTa Siya touched on "exposure" and how it can influence ones perspective. I relate to what he said whole-heartedly and I am grateful 'til this day into yokuba my mother managed to send me to a "model c" school and took me to town once in a while even though sasi "tsala nzima". It still pains when I come across kids that live in informal settlements where kukho ispaza shop nearby, a place to drink and a school few feet away - it pains me because more often than not, one that finds themselves in this unfortunate circumstance is cacconed in that specific area to the point where everything else seems out of reach/unattainable because that's their norm and success for them is ubali gintsa.
Authenticity is a frequency and a powerful vibration. Spirit is frequency and vibration, in my understanding the intention of ukuphahla is what makes it successful when communicating with our ancestors.
Every time Scoop says "umntu onsundu" I find healing...it resonates Gogo Dineo quoting the profound words of Biko Mkhulu Nsingisa echoed the vision "once forgotten now new...African business be taught, be bought, be new" from the poem United We Stand
Woowzas!!! Rich Programe indeed. #SEKOELE MaAfrika, back to Ourselves , Rootz, Authenticity of our Ancestors. Our Afrikaness/Blackness & UBUNTU_HUMANITY are budges of Honour oa Ancestors left u, with Pride, so we should wear them as such. KNOW THYSELF NGOANA MOAFRIKA= AFRIKAN CHILD 🇱🇸🇿🇦🌍 💙✊🏿😍
When it comes to ukuphandla, i agree with umama, its not about language but about the intension, as the Xhosa i speak today is definitely not the same Xhosa my ancestors spoke 500 years ago. Language has evolved so much that it has literally changed.
DANKIE SIYABONGA FOR A GREAT EPISODE. SHOUT OUT TO LORD SCOOP & GROOTMAN ZWA AND THE WHOLE PANEL OF COURSE. WE NEED TO DRIVE MORE CONVERSATIONS LIKE THIS.
Great topic just wish this can be done at high school level just to keep our kids informed Surely that can change their behaviour and channel them in the right direction
I agree with Gogo Dineo on the point of languages. Ancestors are meant to be able to hear you regardless of language, because the expectation is that they are spirit and not flesh. I don't agree with uMkhulu Nsingiza.
This needs to be a show on the public broadcaster particular in this Miss SA discourse, there are many strands( multiple TV seasons) to this discussion. Well done to Castle Milk Stout for bravely opening this discussion, a greater audience would be so impactful 🎉 Great panel 🫶🏾, please go deeper with the diversity of view points for educational purposes e.g. bring a white/coloured e sangoma I would love to interrogate their context and intersection with Black conversations?
My perspective on black culture is we are diverse we cannot fit in a box.Blck systems where interrogated by Caucasians when one of us critics our culture your banished and bashed. Loved the conversations. Study 📖 yourself firstly thoroughly. Ndaa
@CastleMilkStout, what happened to the episode with guests Thau Thau Haramanuba together with Abba Ayelew Amlak, Mkhulu Nsingiza & others? I'm sure i saw this in the UPCOMING EPISODE advertisements.
Neurourbanism is interdisciplinary approach using a wide variety of methods to gain a better understanding of the human response to the built environment, with this explanation the colonizer knew that by messing with our minds visually they would have won (they took Ubutu out of Muntu). We have to revisit who we are. Reimagine our Urbanization...Land land land land Build new Cities.😇Thanx Castle Milk Stout
Invite a single expert to structure the conversation and clean it off a bit. Now it seems like everyone knows what they talking about. Experiencing something doesn't mean you have indepth knowledge about it.
@@thandolamour3031 do you know what is an expert? Meaning top of your field globally? Reviewed knowledge, PhD experts. There are people who dedicated their lives in unraveling these matter.
@@teeeceee624 that's the problem,you just based ur point according to your standards. Unfortunately they don't conform to what you deem "global standards " because in this soil they are the STANDARD and point of reference,they hve intellectual expertise in what they were discussing
It's sad that you said this... any black person is an expert in black culture because it is one of the things black people experience their entire life whether you accept it or not. You are an expert in black culture!!!!
@@thabisograememahungela3272 Said maybe, but its true. You do know that people who unfornately experience GBV, their entire lives at times, are not experts of GBV. Knowledge have to be reviewed and verified. Outside its mere banter if people are not committed to communicating factually.
These are frustrated individuals/activists. The only way to be effective in such work is to be self-sufficient/sustaining, meaning you must be able to fund your work/project. That is why you hear them saying "where do we start... the government must intervene". Solution: create a system that will fund your work, and make sure it doesn't depend on donations from the ones you are trying to liberate, the government or the "enemy".
Great topic and panel. Feedback for the channel, your editing needs tons of work! We can pick up that something was said even though it is not in the final edit. Let this programme run for two hours or three, we will watch and engage it, just don't edit out parts of it like you do now, especially when such is engaged. "Asimo states mo!" I love that, it captures everything that is a challenge for us in addressing what and who we are. Great platform...continue. Camagu.
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="2684">44:44</a> 😂😂😂😂😂nooo guys.i just cant see ancestors relating to foreign languages.if we say our native languages have this much depth and power.......how do we expect these "translated" colonial languages to reach forefathers that were deep and powerful. Every single person on this planet can learn a different language.there are apps and books for that.the ones in the diaspora must study their native tongue first.its really not difficult.
TRUE; AS MKHULU NSINGIZA STATED IT, LANGUAGES LIKE EVERYTHING NATURAL, HAVE A VIBRATIONAL FREQUENCY. THIS IS THE REASON WHY INDEGENOUS PEOPLE ARE STILL BEING SEPARATED FROM THEIR OWN; BECAUSE THOSE WHO ARE IN CONTROL OF THIS DEMOCRATIC REALITY OR THE MATRIX, KNOW THIS TRUTH. THIS IS WHY THEY ENSLAVED OTHERS & COLONISED OTHERS. TO REMOVE US FROM ALIGNING WITH OUR ORIGINAL FREQUENCY IN WHICH WE OPERATE THE BEST IN.
Speaking to ancestors in English is still colonizing our ancestors to comply to listening in English. They understand gestures more than the language but when you speak or recite izithakazelo it has a different effect and evokes and unifies the lineage because through using language you are recognizing the entire lineage and calling the ones you don’t know, so how will you bridge the gap if speaking to them in English? ... Gogo Dineo missed Mkhulu’s point. I would have preferred Siyabonga Mkhize to also be part of the panel in this episode. He would have added a balanced dynamic to the discussion.
My example I always go to about right and wrong being relative is slavery . For whatever reason it was RIGHT to enslave and own humans n the way of life in those 1800s early 1900s , mid 1900s apartheid and so on . Now it’s a different time . Ppl get cancelled for expressing how much they love and benefit from slavery . Slavery is WRONG. it goes on still but it’s wrong now . There are many examples this my go to .
the point @Scoop is making has me thinking of the conversation @godpenuel had with @AbbaAyalewAmlak... the point that amaZulu (not all) are fully Zulu, thanks to ubaba uRobert Dunn... ang'hleki kodwa, we must address that abanye bethu have no knowledge of our father and grandfathers...
I disagree with Mkhulu when it comes to the language debate. ukuphahla has everything to do with the intention of the heart more than the language that is used. the first language known to us is the heartbeat, that's how we know that a child is alive inside the womb of a woman. our heartbeat is a universal language and it is our first form of communication. lets not gatekeep our ways from other africans in the diaspora just because they cannot speak in their African mother tongue.
I beg to differ, with Gogo Dineo, one should speak your mother tongue when you talk to your ancestors, when Muslims pray in Mosques, do they pray in other tongues but their own? When Asians pray in Temples do they pray in English? I don't think so, so why do we as Africans always have to be compromising on things that we know well we shouldn't? Your mother tongue has an element that taps into the ancestral plane, hence why when one says "Izithakazelo" one gets goosebumps and more. Why do you think when colonisers came they changed the names of our elders and gave them so-called "Christian names"?? Language is the foundation of all cultures, hence why it's known as a "Mother tongue", therefore when you speak to your ancestors you should speak your mother tongue, I don't care even if you can't speak your mother tongue, funda, learn it, it's part of ukuthwasa, which also means "to learn" it's a sign of respect, also it shows that one is serous about ones journey. And If you are spiritually gifted, you know full well ukuthi idlozi lakho should speak on its own, doesn't that happen uma uhlushwa ingulo? Let's stop playing games here.
I respectfully disagree with uBawo uNtsingizi on the issue of language. The spirit of our ancestors is not confined by language; spirituality transcends mere communication. For instance, I am Bhaca by heritage, which means my ancestors are AmaBhaca. However, I was raised among the Mpondo, But my Xhosa mother greatly influenced the language I speak. As a result, I speak isiXhosa more fluently than isiMpondo, and I don't know isibhaca at all. Does this mean my Bhaca ancestors cannot understand me because I speak Xhosa? The spiritual realm operates differently; in dreams, you might even speak Afrikaans, a language you don't understand in this waking life.
Who is Gogo Dineo ? GOGO DINEO IS THEE SANGOMA,😮😂😂😂😂😂😂, Please dnt flatterer yourself, in a whole SA where a sangoma is born every 7 days you saying you are "thee sangoma"😂😂😂😂
I too disagree with Gogo Dineo on the communication, English is modern not primitive. Like Baba said English has many synonyms in its Thesaurus while primitive nature of language says what it means, therefore English can't be acurate, yes I do agree is a matter of the heart and intent but English also has a psychological effect of imagery. On the accuracy of language being man made is another subject of assumptions and theories of evolution, what the western told us and it will depend on what you mean by language. Therefore the primitive language symbolise and display what it intent and mean with a probability of little contraction making it difficult to lie with intent because it lead to a matter of self contradiction and it won't be hard to investigate the opposite intent.
