Is this car running a stock master cylinder or a dual MC with a balance bar? Either way, the peddle should not have stuck to the floor after a flex hose failure. With a failed hose, the peddle will have much longer travel but still half of the braking system. ( Front or rear for a rear drive car , LF / RR or RF / LR on a front drive car. ) I have seen balance bar setups where the clevises are too far apart and loss of hydraulic pressure on one MC ( RE longer travel ) results in the peddle hitting the floor before the balance bar can bind in the tube allowing the good MC to be depressed. Either way, It is critical to find out what happened.
You should buy your cage builder a case of beer. Awesome you were OK, just starting to get into racing cars, stepping up from karting, you handled it about as well as one could, love to see the safety crew right there to help. It’s one of the best parts of motor racing. Hope you come back stronger and safer. Always lessons to learn.
Hi Patrieracing, What a crash! Hopefully you are okay. I would like to ask if it's possible to use this video for a "Motorsport crash compilation 2023". Obviously I will add you channel name on the video and with link in description. Let me know if it's okay for you ;)
Between June Sprints and WIC this past weekend, I've seen more crazy wrecks than in the past couple of years. Glad you're ok. Tires and fence did there job.
So glad you're ok man... I've always wondered what the right thing to do was if brakes went out going into 5. All things considered I think you did the right thing!
@@bigsarge8795 It looked like there was some slack in the brake line and it could have been rubbing up against the brake rotor. Either something came loose or something wasn't put together correctly. Will find out more when I start pulling it apart
When I was a youngster, I ran FV in the Northeast. The New York Region was doing a weekend at the old Bridgehampton. My partner and I went down from Massachusetts. In those days, the front straight ended with a long, downhill sweeper. Word around the paddock was, that the Vs were doing the downhill flat. Being 22, I went out and held flat for the downhill. I was going as fast as the car would go at the end of the straight. It went round and round and round. … and up over a berm and into the woods. It didn’t flip but I was quite a ways from the track by the time it stopped. What doesn’t kill you makes you stronger.
Holy shit dude! Yeah was a really rough weekend for many people, had a few friends caught up it the red flag at the kink during the SRF race. Kudos to the safety truck for being right there
Just came back from the track and was telling my group when we watched it happen live. We were right there. Amazing you walked away. So glad you were safe.
So glad you’re ok. Scary ride. From the looks of the discoloration near the breach point of the line it appears to me it was near a heat, or friction source.
It looks that way, however I feel it would need to be pretty close to the rotor to affect it like that. I haven't been able to dissect the car yet but there was plenty of clearance. We only pushed it down for picture's sake
Oh my word!!! Now that all you guys are out there it hits closer to home for me! Y’all are like family! I had no idea that was you that day 😮 I just know when I’m at gate 4 and hear of a crash/hit/roll on Motorplex/4mi track I immediately pray!! I’m so glad you weren’t injured worse. It was just so intense watching the entire video!
hope you can post a vid walk around the car maybe inside and the cage and especially the brake line area i'm so curious what rubbed through. Very glad you are ok!
You are a legit BA dude for keeping your composure well enough to think out your strategy for survival that quickly. Super glad you're okay, man! Wow. Scary stuff. Now that it's been a month or so, do you know if you'll build another using some of your old parts? Anything salvageable?
I plan to salvage what I can, mainly the engine and shocks. Since it doesn't roll well it will be pretty difficult to get a lot out of it. May be a total loss unless someone wants it for parts
Scary af. Looks like you did the right thing by just winging both tire barriers to bleed off some speed before the big hit. I'm going to have to include scoping out the track for catastrophic failure evasive action now.
Glad that you're OK, and that you live to race another day! I have watched several video's of the Mazda's racing, which has always been a good race to watch. If I had known about this this group and how safe everyone is around one anther, then I likely would have started racing with a roof over my head. If I did have a roof, then I'd likely still be racing, and switching which class I ran to get a Mazda!
Coming down to T5 on a motorcycle I’ve often wondered what I’d do in a brake failure situation. Hitting tires on a bike is not as fun. I’d say you did an awesome job in split seconds. What was your Estimated speed at that point? Glad your good. I’m looking forward to experiencing the resurfaced track. The RA safety crew always does an awesome job.
I would say over 100. We are probably pushing 120 heading into the brake zone, and the brakes didn't work for long. The surface is awesome. Its slick but its fast!
Morbidly curious because I've never been on that particular track... did you get a "confidence tap" on the brakes before you hit the braking zone? Not that any "notice" would have helped... you were hauling ass. Didn't know if a 5/4/3 downshift might have helped lessen the blow.
I got in the habit earlier in the year to tap the brakes well before entering hard brake zones. This instance was no different. The pedal quit working about a second after I started braking.
@@MrRGBTV The LF brakeline somehow got pulled out of the mounting bracket on the knuckle. There was a bunch of slack in the line, which caused it to rub on the brake rotor and rupture
When I used to be a delivery contractor same thing happened to me on my International P1000 truck, one of my brake lines failed, lost hydraulic pressure consequently brakes, heading over to a big intersection, I turned off the truck was a manual and slowly used the clutch to scrub as much speed as I could, avoided traffic and stopped at the grass Let’s just say I needed new pants and underwear after lol
Glad to hear you are OK after that! If you don't mind me asking, how did you use the clutch to slow the car down? Don't you want the resistance of the engine to help slow it down?
Yeah, so what happened was every time I released the clutch slowly it would get into gear like a push start, but before it actually started I would compress the pedal again, obviously I wasn’t going as fast as you were at the track, but doing so for about 3 to 4 times I went from 50mph to 20/30 mph, far easier to stop, prob doesn’t make a lot sense but you get the idea, glad your safety equipment kept you safe, cheers !
Glad you are ok after that. Straight into the tires might have been more effective (but less dramatic), but in the end you managed to dissipate the energy over a number of hits rather than all at once. I was impressed by the response time on the rescue truck (not having to go onto the live track helped there).
The response time is all thanks to Road America and their awesome safety crew! Hitting the walls straight on may have been better but that is the last thing you want to do when you are barreling towards them at 100+ mph. Just glad the way it happened minimized the injuries to me.
It's good practice to tap the brake pedal with your left foot about halfway down the straight. Just to make sure you have a pedal. Doing this also takes up any space between the pads and the rotor which might have resulted from component flexing during the last corner. It's nice to have a firm pedal when you reach the brake point.
You can even see me in the last video, shit was very scary seeing a car flip towards you while sitting on a moped, I was just glad you were ok and seeing you get out of the car right away
It depends on the car and if/what issues are present. If I am not addressing an issue I usually spend a few hours before each race checking all the suspension, engine bay, gear, and any other nut or bolt i can think of
@@rednezz That line didn't rupture on it's own, it rubbed through. There is a plastic covering over the stainless braid then a teflon tube inside. If the teflon tube failed on it's own, there would just be a fluid bubble under the plastic covering, perhaps a pin hole on the plastic covering.
So, a question: was there any rear brake at all? It sounds like no, but surely there should have? That said, given the circumstances, I don't suppose the rear brakes would do much anyway. Many thanks
The system as a whole failed because of a problem with the front brake line. Even if the brakes were somewhat engaged I would have slowed down a lot more
I think I'd have done the same as you. Hitting the tyre wall head on never seems like a sensible option when you're in the heat of the moment. Tracks should have something designated for brake failure for you to aim at really especially at the end of a long straight where the speeds are so high. Motorsport can do better
Whoa! That was quite a ride. Glad to see you made out ok. Maybe RA should rethink that tire wall chicane setup. Thought you were going to make it after just clipping that first tire barrier with the left front…..but noooooooo! You can save that video for your grandkids🤗
