Catching fire SECONDS after takeoff! American Flight 1400 

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The first officer should have clearly stated that he needed another 30 seconds, in order to be able to activate the fire extinguishers. Dealing with other matters, the captain probably did not fully realise what the first officer was doing and the stage that he was at. While the captain is in charge, he is not God, so the second officer should have spoken up. The captain did not sound like an idiot, so I doubt that he would have specifically told him to ignore the fire. In any emergency situation, good communications are vital.

Both are to blame. Shocking airmanship.

I agree that the first officer should have spoken up. He did not and therefore was at fault. Also, of course the captain does not order thr first officer to ignore the fire. However, Green Dot says that when the fire broke out, "the captain announced he would fly the plane, while the first officer worked through the checklist". And before asking where the first officer was on the checklist, the captain asked him to take over control while he called the cabin crew. As Green Dot points out, this was unnecessary at this stage. Understandably, the captain was under stress from the emergency, and so was the first officer, but it still seems a bit baffling to me that this could make them tunnel vision so deeply into other tasks that they left the fire burning.

@@akshayshrivastava7252 The best definition of accidents is "Things that happen to other people". They were both in shock, so it is much easier for us to criticize them while we are sitting at our computers. If you and I had been in a similar situation, who knows what mistakes we would have made. That is why communications and teamwork is so vital. We tend to be ignoring the REAL mistake, which was ground crew being allowed to take shortcuts, rather than finding the REAL fault and correcting it. Blindly poking a faulty engine with a screwdriver is hardly professional. But then. That is easy for me to say, because I am an engineer.

I'm sorry but what was stopping him from hitting two more buttons even while taking control of path of flight?

was it the screwdriver - damaged valve or the disintegrating filter that started the fire? but ya, stuff breaks, and a sucked in little stone, bird parts/screw would handle the engine much more unprofessionally than a mechanic with a screwdriver. that thing didn't fail safely.

The problem was neglected during inspections just to be later misdiagnosed and then "solved" using an unapproved fix, which even that was somehow screwed up by the use of a screwdriver instead of his hands, I really don't think the engine design was the problem here.

​@@mactep1But if there was no engine, There can't be an engine fire. They should learn their lesson and design air planes without engine.

@@mactep1 The engineers who designed that thing, ALSO wrote the manuals about "Manual Start" protocols, and they SPECIFICALLY put in a required "special wrench" to do that task, another OVERPRICED and unjustifiable piece of equipment, just to do something "according to SOP's" that would only be slightly less than routine. Stuff DOES break, and wear out, and deteriorate ALL THE TIME... Why would you need a 10,000 dollar wrench, so there's ONLY ONE in the whole shop for a fleet of these things, to do a "manual start"??? It could be the filter neglected, and that's certainly a problem, and certainly contributed... BUT it could just as easily have been a wire cracked or a bad circuit board someplace that would keep the plane "in the shop" for troubleshooting over 72 hours just to find the ONE little twitchy bit in 100's of THOUSANDS to twitchy bits that went "wrong" and caused the conventional start to fail... The manual starting procedure SHOULD be special, but it ALREADY IS, just by the nature of some technician opening the cowling of the engine. Otherwise just make it as SIMPLE as possible to prevent the "wrench monkey" from f***ing up a 100,000 dollar engine for your customer, who probably keeps an outstanding MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR account... That wrench monkey only costs them about 25/hour, so he's NO comparison to an engineer, and EVERY SINGLE TIME you give a wrench monkey reason to bitch, you're GOING to get weird tools shoved into unique places to CHEAT against the engineers. It's the nature of wrench monkeys... even well trained ones. That's a design FLAW that engineers in something as prestigious as Avionics SHOULD know damn well better than to let slip into their work! Don't forget, these are the same wrench monkeys who probably got a reward when they "developed in house" a mechanism for using a FORKLIFT to remove and re-install engines on the Boeings instead of the specialty Engine-lift that Boeing specifically designed for the job, and highly recommended AGAINST replacing in any manner. Don't look for the FAA to interfere either. Everything that "looks okay" to the casual observer will pass muster for the FAA until something goes catastrophically wrong. They're the FAA and the government DOES NOT CARE UNTIL THERE ARE UNACCEPTABLE LOSSES/DEATHS... period. ;o)

as alsoways it's the swiss cheese model. but heck if i were mid checklist i'd swap roles, no matter the command issuer. I'd quickly say "standby ONE MOMENT while i finish what i'm doing" . i realise it's hectic and EVERYTHING is critical ... so to drop any procedure, midflow ... that's amateur. better to have a passenger in the F/O seat.

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It probably would have been im the nrews if it had gone down in flames in the middle of suburban St. Louis.

It's just the comments that are spoilers 😂

Nothing impressive in my opinion.

Too many mistakes to be called impressive. The only thing impressive is they didn’t get everyone killed which is in large part by luck.

Yeah, i think they did a very good job at planning the landing under these conditions. Retracting the flaps partially to successfully speed up again, dropping the landing gear at the right time, etc. Everyone needs to keep in mind that it was an absolute emergency. It's easy when there is no stress in a simulator, but the captain probably just thought of getting all the things done that he needs to do. He obviously didn't mean to interrupt the first officer from putting out the fire. Also they didn't expect to lose their systems from "just" an engine fire that they trained for.

@@derkevevin you right they lost their systems from incompetence on the pilots end. so yeah it wasn't just a engine fire.

I agree. It is astonishing what kind of armchair experts comment here, and obviously breaking sterile cockpit rules and not prioritizing correctly (dealing with ATC, Crew and the door) was bad. But it is still evident that they knew this plane, how it behaves, how it flies, they realized that the gear indication could be erroneous, they performed a go-around (unexpected situation within an overall totally unexpected situation!) etc. This is not like those Pakistan airlines guys that tried to land at 9° path and forgot the landing gear. It is clear that while they were lacking in some areas, they were very good in others.

Oh please. There will be no way he would be able to post everyday with the very little incidents that happened in aviation. Also, posting once every week or so is much more exciting than being able to watch everyday

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@@tyguy3876 I was over the moon, cooking a lovely Indian meal and watcning Green Dot! 😄

Thank you kindly!

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Spoiler alert lol

Happy spoiler

@@heidithompson6895just what i was thinking! 🤣 will no longer be reading comments before the video is done

Yeah! Lol. You guys can’t wait to see the video first and go straight to the comments. Y’all probably read the last chapter of a book before you’re done too. So funny 😂

I’m glad! More on the way

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BRO YOU DIDNT WATCH IT

​@@Cody_ProdzI got to see this video before it was on RU-vid

Thanks so much. We use MSFS and X-plane for the videos

Agreed! Something haunting about that warning voice

I find that most European creators will use a French pronunciation. American and most Canadians tend to use the 'official' way.

Glad you liked it. It really was error after error with this incident

It wasn’t a dodgy engine. It was a partial failure of the starter system. Once the engine was running all was fine. You may be surprised with what the MEL allowed when it comes to dispatching aircraft.

@EdOeuna good call. I know of the 'Pressure Building' effect on airline pilots! Cheers Ed! 👍

I think it’s more like having a car with a dead battery. If you can jump start it, it’s not an issue and you’d have no fear about driving it. The issue is only starting it.

Awesome. Please keep that attitude throughout your career. I don’t want my loved ones on a plane with assholes like that. So arrogant.

Is that now how it's pronounced? It's a French name from when the French owned the area of America

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Thank you I will look into this!