In this video, Dr. Hahn and Matt Fradd discuss the typology found in the Bible. Source: • The Conversion of Dr. ... Subscribe to my writing here: tjseaney.substack.com/p/the-p...
@@tjseaney_ WHAT?!!? Jesus the Bridegroom The Case for Jesus (not to be confused with the Protestant “The Case for Christ”) Jesus and the Jewish Roots of Mary All are fantastic!
Dr. Scott Hahn is a gift to the church and to us moderns...so amazing for him to establish the direct connection between and among the books of the bible and between old and new testtaments
Do a deep dive on the ark of the old covenant and the ark of the new covenant. It was huge and influential in my discovery that the Catholic Church is the Church Christ started.
Be careful u dont overdo this typology of scripture. One good example, Adam was he a type of christ??? Lets examine it closely, Adam had no human mother or father, he had a companion , he lived to 930 yrs. No comparison at all with jesus, unless u use Melchizedek as a example,he had no mother or father, thats about the only comparison.
@@frederickanderson1860 Eve was who caused the fall as Paul says. The woman was decieved but not the man. After the fall two cherubim protected the entrance to the garden of Eden, because mankind was banned from there. The 2 Cherubim then reapeared on the ark of the coveant, which held the presence of God. The garden also had God's presence in there. Now guess the third thing that had God's presence locally in it? Mary. The reason there are no gate keeping angels in front of Mary, was because there was no gatekeeping needed anymore. The one who came to reconsile us with God came into the world, through jesus we can re-enter paradise again.
@@frederickanderson1860 so you don't believe the Bible? I Cor. 15 45-47 The first man Adam was made into a living soul; the last Adam into a quickening spirit. Yet that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; afterwards that which is spiritual. The first man was of the earth, earthly: the second man, from heaven, heavenly.
If you dig Ambrose and Augustine, check out the Ancient Faith study Bible which has the church fathers commenting on every page of the Bible, I just love the art and the commentary of that bible. Unfortunately it does not contain the deuterocanonical books and it's not a Catholic Bible, but you can see how the protestants are searching the fathers for ancient wisdom.
The unnecessary dig at Protestants at the end haha. Sooo much in common between Protestants and Catholics, yet everyone wants to focus on the few differences instead of just loving the Lord together. God bless everyone.
It's very necessary. They've led the Laity astray with their ego driven political agendas. I'm forever correcting my own brother and other family members (all Cradle Catholics) who frequently misrepresent Christianity with a Protestant bias. It's exhausting.
Moses said that GOD would raise up a Prophet like him and that GOD would HIS swords in the mouth of that Prophet and GOD required that we all must follow what that Prophet would say. That Prophet was Jesus. So yes Jesus and Moses would be alike. Very good point.
I do think that many expressions of Christianity have a typology embedded to how they read the Bible. For example, the reformed position posits covenant theology. The idea that the best way to understand the unfolding narrative is through the covenants with Abraham, Noah, all the way down to Christ. I believe that wherever a synthesis of the scripture is attempted some form of this type of interpretation is present.
Yes non Catholics know about typology. As you read the Bible these things jump out at you. The book of Hebrews points out a lot of types. 2 Cor 3 also.
Is the host seriously suggesting that Protestants were not fully aware of the depths of biblical typology before Hahn read Ambrose? I mean, come on! Protestant theologians have progressed the field of Biblical Theology more than Catholic theologians could dream of. Geerhardus Vos, anyone??
Remember, however, Hahn was a Protestant theologian before he converted to Catholicism. You can hear his surprise as he relates this. That doesn't mean other Protestants didn't make these connection, so you may be right, but saying "fully aware" is probably not accurate. Blessings to you.
@@davemihalic256 I’m sure non Protestants and maybe Hahn have seen new connections and helped to develop the theology of biblical typology in some way but my gripe was with the host who seemed to suggest that Protestants weren’t aware of this sort of thing when they are the ones who have made the biggest strides in this area of study. Kind regards
Like there isn't any other way that parallels couldn't appear in the bible besides divine inspiration? Like perhaps........maybe the new testament writers looked at the old testament stories and borrowed certain ideas, to create new stories? You know, the way most ancient myths are created? But no, that couldn't be possible could it?
Interesting. I guess why do you assume that the humans intellect to retain stories and then recapture them and tell them in the most counter-intuitive way possible is nothing more than happy-stance? Obviously you realize that Jesus is the new Moses as the typology refers. But he’s far more than that. If you miss that in this talk, you missed the whole point.
@@tjseaney_ "Obviously you realize that Jesus is the new Moses as the typology refers." I get that Jesus is the new Moses - but for one: How do you know that a Moses even existed? There is no historical evidence for such a person, and if there is we haven't found it yet. "I guess why do you assume that the humans intellect to retain stories and then recapture them and tell them in the most counter-intuitive way possible is nothing more than happy-stance?" Why would it be counter-intuitive? This is the way myths operate, one myth is formed then another one is derived from it. It's the way it works in all religions - why should yours be any different?
I get your point. It is also possible that a young man, Jesus (who we _do_ know existed), who knew the OT scriptures inside-out, intetionally set out to make his life a typology of Moses' (if that's the right way to say it), understanding that the people of that time would recognise all the parallels; and therefore attempting to add credence/weight to the idea of a new covenant. I don't personally believe that's the case, I believe the whole shebang is divine but when veiwed in isolation it's possible for the skeptic to find a human avenue. It's when the bible is taken as a whole it becomes utterly impossible in the natural.
The Bible is not “Divine” (capital D). It is a vehicle (our primary vehicle) for communicating the Divine - that is, the Divine Logos-Jesus Christ-Who is the pattern of Holy Scripture and what it all points to. But to say it is Divine is to say that a book is the Uncreated God, and that is not only idolatrous but blasphemous. The Bible ain’t any more God than your brain is your consciousness.
So is your schtick making a quick appearance in the first 30 seconds of a video, and them simply running the rest of the video without comment? I've watched 3 of your videos thus far, and this is happened in all 3. Anyways, the claim that these connections are mind-boggling, along with the fact that Matt Fradd just sits there like a 3 year old watching a magician pull a rabbit from a hat is telling indeed. Typology is nothing but a version of confirmation bias - an event happened, now I'm going to write something that refers back to that event. Magic! Perhaps if Catholics stopped obsessing about typology and realised how far they have strayed from the message of Jesus, there would be hope for them yet.
Seriously? Do you know that Typology proves that Jesus is the Messiah, and he is God? Paul didn't even have a gospel, he used only the Old Testament to prove Jesus is the Messiah through Typology. The Apostles used the old testament to preach about Jesus. This is how the Early Christians lived. Their successors which are the Catholics were the ones who first used the New Testament based on the Apostles who became old in order to preserve their teachings. If not for Typology, there is no Christianity.
@@fritzvenezia9338 "If not for Typology, there is no Christianity" - that's a pretty bold claim, care to substantiate that with evidence? And no, linking the flood to the doctrine of baptism is not evidence. Typology is an associative spiritual method rather than a tool to provide evidence and proof for certain biblical statements about Jesus Christ. But hey, I guess since no typology no Pope, I can see why you'd be so horrified anyone dare question it.
@@hervedavidh4117 Exactly. One person writes a book. Another person, familiar with that story, writes his own story with similar themes. That’s how fan fiction works.
@@tjseaney_ No, it’s quite well supported by history and evidence. The Garden of Eden is clearly a creation myth parable. There were no Jewish slaves in Egypt, and no evidence of a great population wandering 40 years in the desert. And while a man called Jesus probably lived, the whole story of Christianity was invented (mainly by Paul) after his death.
@@Carlos101010101 it does everything Moses wrote is a foreshadowing of their Messiah Adam had no human mother or father and he lived 930yrs.therefore he can't be a foreshadow of the Messiah .
Typology is a theologic term that compares things from the old testament with slight similarity to the new testament to prove the truth of the latter. A more accurate term would be confirmation bias.
@@frederickanderson1860 You haven’t read the Bible. A type is not the exact same. A type is a similarity, a kind of like. In 1 Corinthians 15:45 Jesus is referred to as the last Adam. Also 1Cor 15:22 and as I mentioned earlier Romans 5. I am not making this up. The Bible clearly makes these statements.
@@hirehammer925 again what was the original meaning of genesis and we cannot read any historical narrative with our own cultural and influence our our own time. You can look for the ark or any locations of mount Sinai for evidence,but nothing can change the fact we can't think in same mind set when the scripture of another Time and age was written. Scholars of different schools of thought do not agree ,so they just confuse the people. Theological same , different points of view that give same results.
The bible is divine, not because it says so anywhere in the text, but because those who already believe it's divine proclaim it to so. We can do the same thing with a cook book.
The hubris of this comment can only be had by a person who is truly ignorant of history. Ask yourself, why have people for thousands of years DIED for these beliefs that billions still hold today? At the very least this fact proves that the Bible deserves a little more contemplation than a cookbook. Read more (if you’re actually looking to arrive at the truth rather than blindly asserting some intellectual superiority).
With the Creation of the Heavens & Earth together with the Creation of Man & Woman … God Set into Motion a “Grand Experiment”. God - Started by giving Each of Us > Freedom - of - Will… Free Will of “Personal” Choice. He then, Set Before Us … the Rules by Which He “Asked / Suggested” Us to Live By i.e. 10 Commandments and his Teachings. He then said .. Here are my Requests .. In “Our”, Grand Experiment i.e. Yours & Mine… You can Do with Your Lives as You “Free Will” Wish / Choose. But “Know This” … That Your - Eternal Life - will be Decided Not by Me, But by “Your Own Actions” in my Grand Experiment. You / The Basis of Your Eternal Life, Will be Judged … > Not Only On What You have Done > But Also, By What You have Failed to Do ! In the End, the “Free Will” Choice is “Yours” !
I have no problem with Catholics. My best friends and some of the people I admire most in this world are Catholic. I’m just showing there are legitimate arguments on every side and we need to examine them all with an open mind. Being rude and calling people cult members is just arguing in bad faith. We removed those seven books because those were in circulation for over a century before Jesus came and he never referenced them (like he did all the other books of the Old Testament). And we don’t believe in purgatory because Jesus’s death did away with an afterlife redress of sin. And the belief that the sins of the dead could be payed for by the living is a a contradiction to the teachings of Jesus. The term dates to around 1170; and in 1215 the Church began to set out the actual length of time in Purgatory required of souls. Then the church started to charge people to hold mass in their name to reduce time in purgatory. The stuff about believing Jews are the chosen people also again was done away with by the death and resurrection of Jesus. Anyone who proclaims Jesus is lord, admits they are a sinner and ask for forgiveness becomes a chosen person of Christ. And all faiths that believe Jesus is the true son of God, died for your sins and is the only way to heaven are equal your right I do believe that. But despite what you think the Catholic Church has changed though. The most dramatic examples are using the pill for birth control, attending Sunday mass infrequently, not going to the sacrament of reconciliation for years, and divorcing/remarrying. The Didache’s order Catholics to fast Wednesdays and Fridays of which you do not do. And more. I find it interesting that Catholics like yourself say we are not Christian’s for changing the orders of the early church while doing so themselves. So it’s hypocritical for you to say you hold to the original teachings of Jesus and his apostles and the Didaches.
Purgatory is in the true Catholic Bible. Luther threw out of sacred scripture 7 INSPIRED book’s because they referred to praying for the dead ie purgatory read the book’s of Maccabees. Also read the parable of Dives and Lazarus in the New Testament which is about Purgatory. And calling protestant members cultist’s is correct because there’s ONLY ONE CHURCH. I tell protestant’s to leave their man made protestant CULTS. It’s protestant’s who pick and choose what to believe and what to reject and that’s the devil. Purgatory is total love and the mercy of God because very few Catholic’s die totally purified of earthly attachment’s. Sin is forgiven but the consequences are not. Plus Jesus is still on the cross read 1Peter4:12-15,and Colossians1:24. All what I’ve said doesn’t apply to protestant’s who are pagan. Now please read my other comment which you won’t like.
@@simonslater9024you miss represent me. I do like your comments. My faith in Jesus is unwavering and my spirit full of his grace. It’s not threatened by RU-vid comments. I am not angry. I enjoy talking with people who have such tenacity for the church and Christ. Also I have read these scriptures and will do so again with these conversations in mind praying to Jesus for the truth as I do so. Because as it seems to me you are misrepresenting the text by engaging in conformation biases. And taking narrative liberties about the meaning of said text. Which is why Martin Luther is an important figure in my opinion. As the corruption of the church is very well known. I can speak with Jesus directly. I need no mediators. As I hope you and all Christian’s have a personal relationship with Jesus. (I do not agree with ML or any human 100% though) Also I find it interesting that you don’t see Baptist, baptism as a valid one when Jesus himself was baptized by John the Baptist. I do have a question I would like to ask you though? How many people have come to know Christ with this angry, insulting, belittling approach you have to evangelism? I will continue to follow the teachings of Jesus and Jesus alone. I probably won’t reply anymore as you are arguing in bad faith. I will however read with an open mind anything you have to say on the subject as I do believe you are a follower of Christ. Thank you for the feedback and god bless.
@@randypoe618 do you think infallible means the pope is never wrong? And why would you trust yourself over thousands of years of tradition and strict laws? You sound like a hypocrite. Do you follow the whole Bible or the one that Protestants removed 7 books from?
