Catholicism Beyond Traditionalism: An Interview with Andy M 

Excellent interview.

Thank you for this. I’ve been in “Trad-world” since 2020 and I’m getting so tired of feeling boxed in. I just want to be Catholic. ❤

Thanks for posting this. I'm a cradle Catholic, currently attend a traditional parish, but have reservations about raising my children in a traditional parish. I love the liturgy and the people I've known are wonderful, but every traditional parish I've been to has had a culture of disobedience and bitterness toward the broader Church that I don't want my children to hold.

ST.Marys resident here..... Totally relate in almost every way... Lol this is a crazy place

This interview was incredible! Thank you both for your time and generosity to share your experiences with others. This resource, along with the book recommendations, is incredible and so helpful! God bless you both!

(I must issue a correction; it was not several Protestants, just one, who converted after their involvement in the review of the new missal. It was Max Thurian, for those who care to research it.)

Thank you!

"A checklist of stuff to do." Hence what Pope Francis called neo-Pelagianism. If all we have to do to be the perfect Catholic is to check off a list of stuff, then there's no chance for a relationship with God. If my relationship with my wife was reduced to a checklist, it wouldn't matter how often I checked all the items off. The relationship would stagnate and fall apart. That, and it makes us reliant on ourselves, not God, for salvation. Immanentism, as St. Pius X defined the philosophy of modernists. Ironic that the most flagrant modernists are found among the strongest condemners of modernism. I could go on. Your videos always give me excellent fuel for a dozen paragraphs that amount to "I know, right?!?!", but I'll spare you. :)

The snoop & report thing is real

This was a very interesting conversation to hear the inside of the st Mary’s KS. You both seem to have a balance. I belong to a traditional & reverence NO. There are masses that extreme with 🤡 masses & ℹ reverence etc. we were a part of a liberal NO & it was awful & wrong. It’s the balance that is so important

I do love both forms of the Mass. I do not and will never approve of Holy Eucharist in the hand or "Eucharistic lay-ministers."

Great interview and great points. So much of the what Andy talked about, almost every single point reminds me of some of the hyper fundamentalist Protestant churches I grew up around. P.S. if you want to find misshappycatholic full interviews they’re under the LIVE category not HOME or VIDEOS.

This was a great interview

This interview is amazing. So many lightbulbs going off in my mind.

50:35 where is this quote from Pope Francks from?

I find with the Novus Ordo Masses I attend (I'm in Austin Diocese in Texas) that the older the priest, the more likely you may have something off the wall happen, and the old priests aren't about to change their ways. But as was stated in the video by the host, the younger priests by and far tend to be more liturgically minded and orthodox for the most part. Let's pray future generation of priests continue on this trend!

Good conversation. Not sure about the claims that being raised in the trad bubble results in children abandoning the faith as they go into adulthood. That seems to me to be fairly common regardless of what religious practice a person is raised in. Been attending TLM for most of my adult life, and it is sad when year after year the Easter vigil is celebrated without any new converts getting baptized. Tons of infant baptisms throughout the year, of course, but adult converts coming into the Church at Easter, only a handful maybe in 25 plus years.

Your channel is like The Journey Home for Ex-Trads 😁 Just insert the intro theme song and this episode is complete!

Thank you so much for these conversations! We have finally returned to our home parish after years of traveling hours and hours on Sunday for Mass. While I love the TLM and Divine Liturgy, I have found that returning home actually fosters humility and charity. Thank you again for the work you are doing to offer encouragement to those of us with whom these stories resonate.

Thanks for this. I’m not a trad and never was but I’m interested, if only because I have had friends go trad (though all are in the church thank God ) and have found some worrying statements (though I don’t hate trads or traditional practices) and being in just an anxious man, trad world is kind of an obsession. Anyways what I loved is how you both mentioned that things like clown masses and liturgical dancing aren’t common. They existed and I know some priests who regretted such things but growing up in the Midwest, none of this was happening. The “abuses” were just bad music at most parishes and maybe I knew one priest who did real ones during adoration. In fact the only horrible one besides that was in Germany on my wife and I’s honeymoon where we saw what was more or less a female deacon which was bad but most parishes here in the US and world are fine. Thanks Laura and Andy!

I love these post-traditionalist conversations. I’ve found them very healthy to balance everything out. I attended the sspx on and off for 3 years and I’m just grateful for Lofton, Logos, Salza, etc.

I remember seeing a brochure for the Catholic village. The brochure had a picture of a gester juggling. I thought it was a joke.

Many thanks. Great quotes from Edward Shree and Larry Chapp. Of course, in tune with these, Vatican II presented a Personalist development of the tradition on Revelation (Dei Verbum, of which Ratzinger was a key author), and called for us to develop our presentation of Magisterial teaching in a manner consistent with the modern "turn to the (personal) subject" (Gaudium et Spes, of which Wojtyla was a key author). P.S.: In Britain the figures began to collapse in 1960, ten years before the liturgy changed.

Really enjoyed this talk! Thank you so much! I was talking to a dear friend recently. He's non denom, and went to different churches over the years. Even started his own. All broke away because people started bickering. He is now desillusioned about organized religion as a whole and just wants to worship at home by himself. And what he told me about people starting to focus so much on behaviour and so on... I wonder if the structure of the church can become an idol in itself. So we don't worship God through mother Church, but the church itself? As if the rules and regulations become God. And I wonder if that was the reason behind the big shake up of Vii... so this idolatry can be disturbed? Just a thought. I hope you do all well!

Our 7 kids grew up in our Novus Ordo parishes and we took them to an occasional Latin Mass. Somewhere in the 90s we figured out we should not be attending SSPX except for funerals or weddings (even did wedding music). 4 of our kids' families attend the TLM nearly every Sunday now, both Institute and Diocesan but only one would not choose to attend a Novus Ordo Mass. I am grateful she came to her sister's wedding and her dad's funeral in the last three years. Our oldest would prefer English but their priest says only one during the week, out of the 13 total ( for our Archbishop's sake I hear!)! So 12 Latin Masses a week! This priest happens to be her husband's boss and her husband is the highest paid DRE in our state, so they do not complain even though our Archbishop says the TLM! and even did a traditional Confirmation last September. He said he did not want to get on the radar from Rome, get called over there and tucked away filing documents the rest of his life! Wow, would they do that? I love how all my grandsons that are older all know how to serve the TLM and the oldest at 16 is an MC! We just stayed traditional in the Novus Ordo setting, no girls serving, none of us are Eucharistic ministers, always communion on the tongue and consistently kneeling if possible. We are still active and have sung in the traditional choir most of the last 50+ years. Us ladies always wear skirts to church and most of the time in general. Also, all but the 2 oldest daughters always cover their heads during Mass or Adoration. We homeschooled and my husband worked from home so we did lots of things together as a family, became a music group and traveled all over!! We actually did some performances at St. Marys, KS and a couple of dances! Old neighbors must have given us a thumbs up back there! They really loved our family! We know several that work or worked at Onyx, and several families who got burned and left. No victims of abuse that we know of but live near the local victims families and two of the convicted and jailed abusers. So we have been around during a lot but never got sucked into the definite cult aspect. New attendees there abandoned our solid friendship when someone warned them not to watch Logos Project videos. All our 7 kids are faithful Catholics and all but the youngest (still single) married the same and are raising our 28 (so far) grandkids in the Faith! We pray the Rosary every day, frequently attend Daily Mass and have home altars in our living rooms. Most homeschool or go to the new Chesterton Academy, JPII, in Green Bay. Only one is in public school. We all more than survived! You can do it! Yes, we experienced the attitudes you described so often but our kids got asked to babysit during the St. Patrick dinner and fundraiser since all their teens were serving. One priest put our name in the auction and we won 4 Blazer Basketball courtside tickets! We have remained connected with many. Some of our friends are now part of the Resistance too, so we just don't talk about it! Our son got invited over to play basketball during lunch hour. Judo class taught by a parishioner that has since removed his family, included us and we rented the gym for one of our wedding receptions.

This was so interesting! I don't have a dog is this fight because I'm in the Ordinariate now and grew up nominally Catholic in the NO, but it seems like the issue is growing up not just trad but SSPX trad. Am I correct? Do you think that if you had grown up trad but still part of the wider Church, like maybe diocesan TLM or ICKSP or FSSP that your experience would have been less cult-like? So, when you say traditionalist movement do you mean SSPX mostly?

So how do interviews like this not fall under gossip and detraction?

"the end justifies the means" is a heresy

Can we really see authentic catholicism coming out of Rome. Is it authentic just because if exists .

Great interview! Thanks for sharing and thanks for doing this, @Misshappycatholic