Contact us! web.centro-zar... Centro Zaragoza, in cooperation with Bridgehill and the Fightfighters Department of Zaragoza, has tested the Bridgehill car fire blanket. See the test progress and the temperatures reached in the video.
The blanket is not the solution for extinguishing the blaze, but it can certainly contain it and stop it from spreading to nearby cars or buildings etc.
@@parajacks4Well... smart people reaize that, there are not enough rare earth elements on the planet to make electric cars the future. They are going to have to come up with a different way of going about it.
@@mr.upcycle9589smart people know, that rare earth elements are no problem. Two out of three modern electric motors in electric cars are already completely without rare earth elements today, as are already LFP batteries (used in many electric cars) and future sodium batteries comming in electric cars in 2024 (battery world market leader CATL already produces such batteries). In addition, old batteries can be recycled with a rear earth elements recovery rate of 98 percent. Smart people also know that rare earth elements aren't all that rare. As of 2023, there are over 440 known large deposits worldwide, of which less than 5 percent are being exploited, almost all in China.
And this is safer? Also, how toxic is lithium mining versus oil, gas and coal mining? Thoughts? I love how they mine the cobalt in Congo, it’s a very high tech and safe operation ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-UBlhWRnlikc.html
Great video. Thanks for sharing. However I don't understand how you could think that music adds to the experience. It is distracting, loud and covers up the sounds of the battery fire etc. Not necessary.
I thought I was the only one totally annoyed by useless background music. It is true that some peoples’ brains need a constant series of noisy distractions. Otherwise they lose focus. But focus on what?
In a garage, under an apartment block there may be a mix of cars (electric and gas/diesel). The impossibility of quickly putting out a battery fire may impact on other cars parked nearby as they will be MORE susceptible to the fire. That could affect insurance, safety and how apartment blocks are to be built and managed.
@@1allan2 Until EV batteries are flame proof, battery makers have to up their ante and take battery management to the next level so that even before a short can happen that battery cell is physically separated from the rest of the pack and isolated somehow. Maybe some sort of quick-hardening foam can be dispensed automatically into the battery pack that cuts off that cell's oxygen? It's worth noting that EV battery fires are quite rare, while gasoline and diesel vehicle fires occur about 150 times every day.
@@JustWasted3HoursHere yah because most cars are over 10yrs old and usually don't receive proper maintenance, dispite that they generally slowly catch fire or give some kind off indicators of the Hazzard. Giving passengers time to get out and possibly extinguish the fire. EV with less than 5yrs on the road give little to no warning before turning the car into a fireball belching lethaly toxic smoke. Oh and it's next to impossible to put out a Lithium fire with traditional equipment.
When Hammond crashed that hyper car that was electric the thermal Runaway lasted for over a week with the batteries. We still don't know how to put them out. That smoke is toxic and corrosive. Keep it under that blanket for 2 weeks and it should be ok 😂
@@SLOCLMBR Lithium-ion is not the same lithium metal. You absolutely do put water on a lithium-ion battery fire to extinguish all surrounding material and lower the temperature of the other cells to prevent runaway.
Yes, that may all look like a great solution. The blanket is heavy, you need four people and space around the vehicle to cover the fire so now try this on a car carrier ocean vessel or even better, a large underground public parking garage. Can't wait to see how it will work.
With appropriate precautions everything should be find. Millions of devices containing lithium batteries are carried in aircraft every day with no problems. EVs catching fire is an extremely rare occurrence and is set to become all but impossible with emerging EV battery technology
EVs only catch fire under extreme circumstances or are GM'S bolt EVs lol. So you have to be in a major car accident. No major car accidents happen in a garage or car carrier ocean vessels lmao.
@@rogerphelps9939 So it is. It depends also on the build quality to reduce the risk f self ignition. Just look at these cheap Electro scooters. They start burning quiet easely.
definitely going to need a bigger blanket for a Rivian. A perimeter of lead shot would help hold the edges down, going to need something in a windy environment
A water filled skirt, attached to a fire hose, would add the required weight. It may even be possible to have pressure activated nozzles on the inside of the skirt that which would release a spray of water onto the vehicle from within the blanket when required.
That's about the story. The blanket can stop the spread. What about in a ship with 500 other EV's. It's not easy to maneuver around on the deck that has the flaming EV fire and the toxic cobalt fumes. It may take training for the ship workers to act fast and organized with that blanket.
On the other hand, if every vehicle is covered from the beginning, this will not be a problem. And don't forget, there are so many batteries for EV's shipped from China to be put ion car's.
In this particular case the blanket helped contain the fire, not put it out. Currently there is nothing that will extinguish EV battery fires. It is an exothermic, self oxidising reaction that must be left to run it's coarse until all the reactants are consumed. A reaction such as this would still occur when completely under water.
We used thermal blankets on the Space Shuttle, in fact I have a scrap piece in my garage. I often wondered if the technology could be used to cover a house when there is a firestorm. Interesting that someone finally made a blanket like this. In this instance with the electric vehicle, they could have covered the vehicle then injected CO2 to stop the fire even quicker. But the battery has been breached, so the lithium would be exposed to oxygen when the blanket is removed, so it would re-ignite, like it did.
I think this needs to be a multistep process.batteries re-ignite with ecposure to air regardless of sufficient heat being present. I would suggest blanket stage 1. Cargo can with a winch phase 2. Gass injection to can phase 3.
At least an intelligent answer... Since it's a thermal runway, you need to wait for the battery to cool down. It's not the lithium in contact with oxygen. In that case, the fire started again because inside the battery the temperature was very high. Don't you agree? Amazing thecnology of those blankets by the way.
Sorry, tomgreene, but lithium-ion combusts via a process known as thermal runaway; not unlike how a flare will burn underwater. It generates its own oxygen so no amount of CO2 at atmospheric pressure can do a THING to extinguish such a fire. This is one angle that the oligarchic leftards with their short-sighted selves overlooked..........
They can reuse the container over and over again. The rest is just water to fill it. The main advantage is that the fire doesn’t restart a few hours later when the firemen have gone back to their station.
@@peterlejon5458 as a firefighter from germany we also thought about that - problem is: the water needs to be treated like chemical waste afterwards making it very expensive and wastefull At least that's what they told us
Are the batteries of this Nissan Leaf fully charged before conducting this experiment? Or are they in an empty state? I would like that to be specified.
Too calm and quiet and temp dropping under blanket. I was wondering if there was any battery at all, considering how some more extreme videos have shown EV fires so far. Where's the flamethrower whoosh?
@@SeersantLoom Yeah. The thermal runaway of a battery pack depends on the flow of heat away from the cells. It does not depend on available oxygen, so the only thing the blanket does is suffocate the burning plastic and allow the dangerous buildup of flammable gases at high temperature. The energy stored in the pack is still going to be released as heat and gas. The fact that the blanket "worked" tells you that there wasn't any significant amount of energy in the pack. Don't expect advertisements to be honest.
Fun fact, Lithium batteries will ignite when in context with oxygen That's why even with the fire out it reignited. As long as there is still lithium exposed, the fire will not give up.
GOOGLE: Are lithium battery fires self oxidizing? As fire fighters have discovered in recent years, lithium-ion battery fires are prone to reigniting. That's because the lithium salts in the battery are self-oxidizing, which means that they can't be "starved out" like a traditional fire.
Great idea, but it seems to only contain the flame, so far the batteries are the issue. They have to come out with a quicker way to put these type of fires to be completely extinguished.
Yes, but the exact same happens with water, except this uses none. For those who don't know, it takes about 6-10 times more water to suffocate a electric car fire compared to that of gasoline/diesel. Hence it's tested on a electric car.
As soon as the exposed battery chemicals get oxygen they go back to runaway state. That's why a bazillion gallons of water works at first but as soon as that boils away from insane heat you're back to runaway. There was an EV in my town firefighters put out but it started up again so they put it in a shipping container until it was dust I guess. Think I'll stick with combustion engines since that's worked great for me for like 50 yrs.
There should be one of these blankets in the roofs of every electric vehicle that deploy like air bags in case of fire! (Sarcasm......but, not so much)
Thanks for the video. As a firefighter they told us not to use water for the pollution and so much run off. This seems great is there a investment opportunity?
Very negative when it comes to the batteries being much more prone to violent fire once ignited and burn for much longer than fuel cars They can also reignite once stopped Also the EV car fire has high risk of multiplying fire once parked near another EV
I don't know about that, as soon as they take the blanket off it flares right up. They never showed them taking the blanket off and the fire being out.
The concept is sound, but the amount of time it takes to extinguish such a fire is the real issue. The blanket is one thing. Someone may have to design a mobile chamber that is capable of starving the fire of oxygen. Getting the blanket on to control it is one thing. A system to remove it from a highway or even a populated area will need to be considered. Placing the car in a sealed container, and possibly flooding the container with carbon dioxide might be the trick. The container could be transported to a facility and left to cool down for an extended period without disrupting a highway or downtown area.
This is, I guess, supposed to reassure us about EV fires. Consider the following; this was filmed in the middle of a wide open area, with nothing else around. Consider if this was on a ships car decks, surrounded by many other cars. Or in a multi story car park, full to capacity. On a residential street. In a packed car showroom. The fumes would be catastrophic, even if breathing apparatus were somehow available. Then consider what happens to insurance when a lot of these things happen - why, it goes up. And up. And the nature of insurance is that the wise man bears the brunt of the fool.
Having seen this, the authorities will have to force the manufacturers to encapsulate the batteries in armored compartments equipped with halon gas tanks, so that the passengers have time to vacate the vehicle.
The car is able to detect a battery failure, switch to safe mode, and instruct the driver to pull over and leave the vehicle, before the failure becomes dangerous to a passenger. I am not aware of any fatal incident related to battery fires in EVs
@@alexanderpas Most battery fires are due to collision. There's actually a genuine concern to thermal runaway being more dangerous than a gasoline/ deisel fire in this situation.
Now let's recall what Boeing had to do with their Li battery packs on the dreamliner 787. I believe, and correct me if i'm wrong, but they had to place them in a stainless steel container which could be jettisoned out of the plane in case of fire.
The blanket won't put the batteries out. They will burn without oxygen. It will do two things that are useful. One is to keep the rest of the car, the parts that do need oxygen to burn, from burning. The other, as seen here, is to contain the (now reduced) fire. Nice if you're in a garage or near buildings or other vehicles.
I'm feeling safer than ever in my Nissan Leaf. First we see how long it took for the battery pack to ignite, with a lot of fire directly ender it. The video indicates thermal runaway at over 8 minutes in. Then, just before the blanket was pulled over it, the car was still not fully engulfed. That was more than 10 minutes in. There was no explosion, and plenty of time for occupants to get out.
@@frazzle657 Yes, just like the thousand of ICE vehicle fires that have killed thousands of people over the years. They are less likely in a BEV and, if this video is an indication, will allow more time to get out.
Well burning a EV in a populated area with buildings and road traffic so close while the people handling the blanket are all wearing breathing apparatus is a great example of not understanding the toxicity of the burning batteries or they just don't care the other people nearby. 2 thumbs up !
It didn't work to put the fire out, but it did contain it. Rather than use it for fighting EV fires, it should be issued to EV owners as an accessory. It should be used to cover EV's when charging in your attached garage or when parked in close proximity to other cars, like in car parks or when being transported on container ships, to contain fires before they have a chance to spread.
And this is safer? Also, how toxic is lithium mining versus oil, gas and coal mining? Thoughts? ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-UBlhWRnlikc.html
@@helixvonsmelix yep! Because the battery was a product of slave labor. Along with just about every lithium ion battery in existence. Just replacing one evil toxic power source with another… ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-UBlhWRnlikc.html
@@benwilson5893 and we have decades of war over kobalt and lithium mines to keep the EV industry profitable as the wealthy keep drilling to keep their private planes flying. There will always be a reason to keep conflicts going🤷🏻♂️
Now imagine 5 of these in a row at your local underground carpark charging station, keeping in mind those firefighters are wearing protective gear because the toxic gas emissions coming off a battery fire are absolutely deadly.
But was there a "Total Snuff" or was.it just implied? After 41 minutes the video ends with the car still covered. What happens when they uncover it again???
It reignites again because the energy is still stored in parts of the battery, this shit can go on for as long as there is some left, thats why it burns/reacts under water too.
No... because oxygen is present in the cathode material of the battery. The lithium in the battery will continue to burn until all the oxygen is used up. After which the blanket has to remain until the temperature drops below the flash point of lithium, so further oxidation does not contiune, when exposed to the atmosphere.
Since the fire doesn't go out, this only appears to offer a chance to minimize damage to nearby items. Since the fire doesn't go out, if there is no risk to nearby property or structures, is it better to just let it burn? It also seems like pulling a blanket over an undamaged vehicle - a small one, at that - isn't a real-world test. Also, having the firefighters that close to the burning vehicle doesn't seem like the best practice.
put the blanket on to smother the oxygen, leave it there until the temperature is low enough that re-ignition can't happen. There's a lot of thermal mass there, it would probably take a couple days for every part of it to drop below the ignition temp. If one tiny area is still hot enough, as soon as you introduce oxygen again it just starts back up
From what I understand, Lithium EV batteries generate their own oxygen, so once that reaction starts, a blanket won't do much besides limit the spread for a time.
Well with a classic fuel car, the blanket cuts the oxygen-supply (the oxygen being reduced) form the air, so the fuel can't burn (be oxidated) anymore. But as this car has both parts of the Red-Ox-Reaction in its own batteries, the basic reaction continues and that blanket provides mostly a heat protection e.g. for the tunnel roof and reduces damage done by the toxic and corrosive gases, as apparently less smoke is released. So may be especially in Switzerland with a lot of tunnels, this could be a good tool. The underlying road-tar or concrete will most probably suffer equal damage, despite some organic-material parts which may burn less under this blanket, as environmental oxygen is cut off for all organic-material e.g. plastic parts. (Soory, I use "organic" material in the definition for chemistry here, "organic" isn't as such equal to biologically produced food or textile tissue!) So may be an other device to be pushed under the car, to protect the road-tar may be an additional goodie. All in all, I think such e-cars should have something like a protected ceramic resistor which is switched on to dissipate in a safe way the energy stored in the battery as soon as possible in case of a detected accident. Similar to a fuel car, where a safety device already Golf 1/ Jetta 1 in 1974 (!) was installed with the aim to switch off the fuel pump if a hard shock was detected. This battery-energy "emptying" device would also make the storage of accident cars less dangerous, as after some time, the battery energy should go to zero.
Thx to the Batteries in E-Cars, here in Germany for Example, the Fire Departments need to take a E-Car if it burned, place it into an Open Container that is full with Water and let the Car sit in there for at least 4-7 Days that they can be absolutly safe that the Battery dont Re-ignite. But this Method produces a Couple THousand liter of Contaminated Water and it is Time Consuming.
And this is safer? Also, how toxic is lithium mining versus oil, gas and coal mining? Thoughts? I love how they mine the cobalt in Congo, it’s a very high tech and safe operation ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-UBlhWRnlikc.html
@@EverythingWilsonMalone agreed, and you also have to consider that.. 1. What do you think is the size and weight of a resistor that can AVOID melting/burning itself while quickly discharging the energy of an entire EV battery such as the 100kWh ones in many Tesla's? 2. Assuming you make your resistor absorb that energy, (as heat) what do you suppose is going to happen to the energy next? That's a lot of heat so there's no guarantee it's less hazardous than the battery it gets discharged from, right?
Yes, yes really convenient, save the poor guy inside the mousetrap and then cover the whole vehicle yourself, this applies to an electric motorbike or bicycle, maybe to a hybrid, but for a pure electric if not in a protective suit it is impossible to get close
Seems cool, better than the traditional way. It's a shame thermal runway is a thing amas it can just keep burning and reignite hours later etc. But this seems a good way to keep the firefighters safe
@@moabman6803 well it's a test, I assume they can make the sheet bigger. The electric battery is dangerous anyway even at a distance cause of the smoke etc
Thermal runaway fire doesn't need oxygen to keep burning. That fire has all the chemistry it needs in that battery. That is why the fire can continue even when the car is under water.
Tienes razon. Los coches electricos son mucho peores que los coches a gasolina. Contaminan mucho mas ya que para construir una bateria se utiliza mucho litio y el proceso de extraccion del mismo es extremadamente dañino para el medio ambiente
@@monkeysezbegood better design is probably right. Battery tech needs to evolve. Ive heard old batteries cant be disposed of and only last 2 or 3 years. There will be mountains of battries in 20 years time. Also cobalt mining is destroying congo and the cobalt mines are not safe, workers are being exploited. Electric vehicles definatly has its downsides
@@loadapish it's true but I think battery tech is already way more advanced than you realize. Cobalt percentage in batteries I'd declining fast. Some batteries already use zero. Battery life is now at the life of the car in many cases. Spend batteries will be recycled as they contain a lot of valuable metals etc... Industry is changing quickly and for the better. It needed to.
The curve is still being learned for durable designs that can survive everyday, real-life conditions. America alone burns millions of barrels of oil everyday single day, a couple hundred battery fires hardly puts a dent in it.
Still early days. Batteries are getting towards solid state which won't have thermal run away such as this. It also took a lot of heat to ignite the battery
They are working on it didn't you see all the hazardous smoke coming from this car just to test a blanket that will never be used to put out a fire in the real world.
This is the future of fighting the MANY EV fires we're going to be seeing in the years to come. And that means EVERY major FD and airport in the world will need these. This blanket and the knock-offs that will come down the pipe will make the patent holders very, very rich.
Probably because they have a tray of flammable fuel under there to start the fire in the first place. I was expecting them to pull it out actually, but I see no steel cables attached to it to move it. And it would be likely to spill anyway.
cant wait for all the fires when normal cars are banned and only EVs can roam the earth... gonna start new wildfires but in the middle of germany and not a californian desert...
@@Ocker3 have u ever owned a lithium powered device for a few years? ever witnessed the battery blowing up and causing havoc? u can look up on youtube lithium battery explosion and enjoy the view.
@@kacper.6537 so, you're speaking from personal experience? Or just worst case videos from the internet? Per mile traveled, modern electric cars are much safer than petrol/diesel.
The problem is the batteries produce their own oxidizer, it can’t be snuffed out. It has to burn through its fuel before it can be fully extinguished. Even fully submerged in water doesn’t stop the blaze
The blanket is good for control in order to clear the area but you’ll still have to let it burn its way out. Thermal runaway is still present and your not going to put a burning car on a flatbed to move it.
Great solution if you can reach the fire in the early stages. However, if the fire is at an advance stage, those batteries will be exploding ferociously.
So lets have tens of millions of these driving around. Imagine this catching fire in a garage under an apartment building. Oh, and Kamala wants all electric school buses.
Technically school busses would be safer than cars. Two reasons: A: because school buses are massive meaning the batteries will be inbound, and these busses are resistant to crash damage, meaning the batteries are never going to get damaged in a crash. B: there's an emergency exit every four meters on these busses, and the batteries will likely be insulated from the floor of the bus with heat resistant material.
So is that what happens in a little family car, the fire is in the rear? So before an adult will realise what's going on, the car will be on fire in the area where their children will sit and the adults will need to try and retrieve them?
This is how powerful the RU-vid is. I started seeing all these electric fires in EV vehicles more often on the RU-vid ever since Elon Musk was ready to take over Twitter and wouldn’t back down. Now I’m seeing more of these electrical fires from EV Popping up on suggested videos to watch on the RU-vid. Why is this happening suddenly? even videos that were done 2 and 3 years ago are now in the forefront of RU-vid suggestive watch list, especially those that are Tesla vehicles. It seems like the RU-vid is trying to put Tesla out of a business! There is no other reason for this! There is a war going on for your mind not to buy a Tesla or an electric vehicle at that. A fear mongering war to try to put Tesla at a business! I do not work for Tesla nor could probably ever get a job working for Tesla but I’m smart enough to see what I see and this what I see is trying to destroy our free speech by putting Tesla out of business. I’m not a fan of Elon Musk. I don’t believe in smoking marijuana or doing any kind of drugs whatsoever. But I do like the idea of Elon Musk giving us free speech back in a way to voice our own opinion. I’m just smart enough to know how that the media is controlling the narrative of everything these days.
Yes but the interesting thing is that GOD RULES and not « RU-vid »... The TRUTH comes out, always, no matter what plotting is going on. And, God always wins in the end. Specifically, it’s not surprising if some manipulation is afoot, and your theory of it being caused by anti Elon players is interesting. It could also be fueled by oil magnates....just sayin’. Either way, true info is getting out. I don’t think it will drop Elon. If it slows down the insane gas prices before the economy collapses that would just be good. In Canada electric cars are back ordered for TWO YEARS. we need to keep driving and shipping food in the meantime! And, these videos can help people think about better safety measures for battery fires.
Do you actually think we exist in a reality where our opinions have any value....we are ALLOWED to post/act/know... we are livestock. Our Masters are fair.
You could spray water over the blanket as it sits on the burning car and it should reduce the temperature right down and run hoses under the blanket too
And this is the ONLY way a Nissan Leaf will catch fire. Someone has to put an open flame to the battery pack for minutes. Teslas catch fire by themselves.😅😅😅
I see that Electric Car fires are nothing to fool around with (nasty) when one starts on fire. Nice that the blanket contains the blaze, but does it eventually completely put out the fire???? Hmmmm!!! when you took off the blanket the first time, the fire started up again because the car was still pretty hot. So it looks like the fire departments are going to be needing something like this for any Electric car fires in the future, since more and more of them are on the roads now. Thanks for the video.
