Cephalopods: Aliens From Earth | Random Thursday 

It ate everything else in the joint?😅

I had a brother-in-law tell me of an experience he once had dealing with an octopus. He had been attending a beach party (back in the 70's) here in the Puget Sound area (where MANY octopoda reside). Late that night, just after the LSD kicked in, a few of the folks there decided to go for a moonlight swim. Several yards off shore, my brother-in-law felt something attach itself to his chest and shoulder. He realized that a small-ish octopus had grabbed onto him. Needless to say, that completely freaked him out. Some frantic thrashing around and arm wrestling dislodged the curious critter and Dave swam back to the beach to try to gain his composure. Talk about the weirdest "buzz-kill'!

octopuses have arms, not tentacles

"Soul of an Octopus" by Sy Montgomery gives many such initial encounters, and one of the coolest tales of humans and anacondas. Oh, and in the book from which "Arrival" is taken, "Stories of Your Life" by Ted Chiang, one of the last messages the Heptapods who visit Earth give us is that we're the closest beings to them they've found.

@@rockdog2584 Nothing screams credibility like a paragraph starting with "after the LSD kicked in"

That's the cutest thing I've heard this year

That's unbearable cute!

I love them! I had a similar experience.

@@SouDeePop It really should be Cuddlefish.

John Whitehouse the octopus hid from me because I found his/her hole :( I was trying to explain they are my favorite creature but he/she didn’t care. It’s ok. It was probably a female and nesting. I just left it alone.

*documentary

@@sydn2698 It's a horror movie.

I love that film. I cried so much at the end.

That man definitely got some octopussy

"My Octopus Teacher" has totally changed the way I view human intelligence. I have a dyslexic friend who didn't finish 9th grade and yet has an innate feel for mechanics and can do complicated spatial reasoning quite easily. I feel like he draws on his body's understanding of physics for this. Maybe I'm wrong. But we have neurons in our body too... seems like muscle memory could be considered a form of intelligence....

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TheWeeaboo Yeah it’s something I’ve wondered about quite a bit. Particularly with pets I’ve had. I know when I think, my thoughts are automatically in English (my only language) but how do you even articulate your own thoughts to yourself without a language. When I’m hungry, those actual words come into my head “I’m hungry” but before that happens I ‘feel’ hungry. So do animals without language operate purely on feeling and emotion. I mean it seems like the obvious answer to that is yes, but I find it impossible to imagine that. Is language the only thing that makes us sentient or are all animals sentient on some level and aware that 1. They are individuals 2. They exist inside a universe. Sorry I’m not explaining myself well cos I don’t really know what I mean. I eat meat, I sometimes think we conveniently don’t think too much about this cos it would be horrific to fully understand what we’re doing for that to be part of our diet. On the other hand when people condemn the human race because it hunts whales and other animals they aren’t taking into consideration the fact that we seem to be the only species that gives a shit about the whales in the first place, apart from the whales themselves, and even then it’s just complete self interest. Hahaha sorry. A lot of time to sit and think with this virus. And for that matter what’s the virus’s motivation. It’s only purpose is to reproduce, it’s not even technically alive. And then suddenly my brain is boggled. Crazy frikkin universe.

@@seaoftranquility7228 It would probably be interesting for you to find out people who were born deaf either do not have an inner monologue or they monologue in sign language.

fever_unspoken. Yes, I absolutely do, that is a fascinating thought. So when you say their inner monologue is in sign, do they actually see a pair of disembodied hands in their minds eye? I mean it makes sense I guess. That’s awesome. It’s still language of course, but it totally demonstrates a different way of expressing that language, even internally. Ive been meaning to get back to this thread I just haven’t been able to think of anything new to add. And what about deaf and blind? God I’ve got an early start tomorrow and it’s getting late here in Australia, I’m gonna be thinking all night. Thanks for joining in!

@TheWeeaboo What about that whacky scientist who was giving dolphins acid and trying to have sex with them while learning to communicate

Nice one

People just love to lie 😅

@@carsonclements6867 Wow, he saw an octopus in the water, what a liar. What about me, I saw a magpie today and accidentally scared it by opening my window. Such crazy stories must be made up, no way it could happen in real life. 🙄

@@carsonclements6867 he literally just said he saw a baby octopus.

Baby Octo: Hey you, kiddo, stay safe. I'm watching you.

Yes! Just exactly, precisely like bigfooti. Or is it, bigfootes?

amateur divers have observed well-fed octopuses socializing.

I mean, convergent evolution is a very common thing. Perhaps the way we developed play and the way they did had different causes but a similar looking outcome

Prey size? :/

@@IosafBennis never thought of that...😯

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-AjS2-Ftj_K4.html You did not know of the great Cthulhu. You do not know of the great Cthulhu. You do not know of the great Cthulhu. Now take me to your leader :P

IA! IA! CTHULU FHTAGN!

How insulting to insinuate that Cthulhu would listen to specks like us

possible. From July's Utopia: According to a study published in the journal BMC Biology, researchers have found the genes that are responsible for Human intelligence are also prevalent in Octopuses. Gene sequences called transposons. Most of these tend to be dormant, but the Long Interspersed Nuclear Elements or LINE seems to be active. These are linked with learning and memory. The researchers postulated that the secret to octopuses high intelligence is that it shares these same genes with humans. Though this may put too much faith in humans being highly intelligent.

Octopuses are mostly solitary so they probably would just try to dominate the other's territory.

Love me a thinking joke lol +1

lol thats awesome

Jokes about biological symmetry. That’s great. ....F-T-shirt...🤣🤣🤣🤣

Thank god i got a small t- shirt from the planet ny parents visited

@@alimroweh1 ??

Exactly Rod Serling's point in so many Twilight Zone episodes.

I guess you could infer that about anything from any film with humans in? Not only films with aliens in. I dont think its the main reason in films such as Alien

Yeah, I know. He mentioned that too.

i do both

That's when I started eating them. Either we're in charge or they are.

@Steven Gulie That's Plan B

I'm glad I never ate one. After my encounter, I swore I'd never eat them or squid.

Pigs are smart

I say that when me and 7 friends are using the restroom.

Considering how confused and arbitrary it seems to have gotten, I will be calling them "Octo-Pussies". You know, because they have no spine.

Joe actually got this wrong. Octopoda is the taxonomic order. The proper Greek plural of octopus is octopodes. www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/the-many-plurals-of-octopus-octopi-octopuses-octopodes

yes!

Same.

*slow clap that turns into roaring applause

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**Grammar Police sirens wailing**

You caught me off guard and triggered a hearty belly laugh. Well done.

Ok that made me laugh, nice one.

From July's Utopia: According to a study published in the journal BMC Biology, researchers have found the genes that are responsible for Human intelligence are also prevalent in Octopuses. Gene sequences called transposons. Most of these tend to be dormant, but the Long Interspersed Nuclear Elements or LINE seems to be active. These are linked with learning and memory. The researchers postulated that the secret to octopuses high intelligence is that it shares these same genes with humans. Though this may put too much faith in humans being highly intelligent.

Oh hai Mark!

So tell me about your sex life

He hit her, you know

Your tearing me apart lisa

@@Rovsau he did not! He did not!!

Wow that's so simple but awesome. I never thought of it that way. Thanks for that information. I went to a private Christian school where even speaking the word evolution would be considered blasphemy.

dolphins have mouth between the eyes

Smart

@@casspapa7484 hello im a sephalapod...

@@rgerber let's see those tentacles/arms!

Ethan Hartle lol, I just commented on this.

Was this explained in the later series's. Because I dont see tos bothering to consider that. I'm not a huge trek fan so I might be wrong

@@darrenjames9891 was in TNG

Yes & no, you are describing the "Progenitors", they seeded life not as a way to preserve their DNA, but simply because the Universe was devoid of sentient life, to put it mildly......they were lonely.

@@panzermacher Honestly, that sounds like most religions' creation myths. "God was lonely, so he..."

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It'd only be lying if they'd showed up in the fake human forms first, but they didn't. So they knew how they really looked from the get go. Thermians ain't no liars

Wasn't that a two part episode. And besides, the real point of the episodes is that Klingons are bastards.

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ZNAHcMMOHE8.html the 1902 French sci-fi film shows aliens the way Joe Scott described in this video (so much earlier than Star Trek)

@@justingrey6008 The Romulans were pretty shady too.

"a logical conclusion Jim".

@TheWeeaboo Egyptians hadn't delved into vastly abstract concepts: Egyptians created a religion full of nonsense (like all religions)

Me *a pedantic*: Octapoda

Me a fish: Dog

Octopussi

You: Claiming to be an intellectual. Me: *pats your head* Gooooood jooob...

@@sumdud23 actually it's Octopodes. Joe was wrong. Octopoda is the name for the Octopus family.

I've never heard that one before, thank you for sharing.

@@KeKe-bv8qv Thanks I'm sure we underestimate their intellect!

Watch Babylon 5 they actually did a pretty good job creating some different creatures the aliens are done well

Ah, beat me to it

Me too

Someone could beat me to it if they'd like... just don't get too rough... I chafe easily.

I bursted out at 9:23, with the eyeball gag! Nicely don’t Joe, nicely done!

Intelligent design of Chtulhu... awesome!

That’s because they evolve eyeballs separately from other animals. Their light sensing cells face forward and not backward like ours.

Also they can regenerate their limbs.

But their brains circle their esophaguses making it fatal for them to bite off more than they are inable to chew. These two circumstances limit the amount of caloric and nutritional value they can get from their food. Also, they are mollusks and confined to water at their current evolutionary state. And they only live a couple of years, dying soon after they mate (males) or directly after their eggs hatch (females), making the passing on of knowledge from one generation to the next impossible.

@@Markle2k So are they in a constant state of epistemological survival? Always learning how to live, without any guidance, just by watching and experimenting? Sounds a lot like me lol

That's no surprise!

M. J. Golden Squirrels definitely know a lot more about finding fun little treats in the ground than I do. If you watch them,they’re NEVER unsuccessful when they stop to dig something up.However, I CAN wait till a bunch of squirrels eat all the stuff they find,promptly shoot the cute little buggers and make some stew with the vegetables that I grew which are pretty easy to find. (Not really. I just buy all that crap).

Never heard that but I always thought it.

Every you knows more than animals do. -Squidward

@@zakuro8532 Look Deep into Nature and you will Understand Everything Better - Albert Einstein

I find when the Aliens in movies look completely diff from us they're used as enemies in the story. Independence day for instance, good movie.

Same here. The odds against alien life forms looking anything like us - or even like ANY Earth life - are enormous. Another thing is that they're quite unlikely to speak perfect, unaccented English. I understand why film makers do that, but I hate it anyway.

@@craigcorson3036 unlikely to speak English??? No shit!! The people in the country a few hundred miles from my country don't speak it, so a civilisation from across the galaxy aren't gonna speak it!

@@craigcorson3036 That's why Star Trek gave us the universal translator. :)

Arrival was comically bad and aliens still need to be able to form societies and be able to build ships, technology and those tentacles wouldn't make it possible now would they? You don't see dolphins or octopus building anything.

I figure that since they eat each other it must be part of their culture, so I'm just sayin', it's ok to eat calamari in an octopuses' garden, for me.

I'm going to start calling them "octopoda". It sounds a lot more correct than "octopusses", and is obviously better than "octopi"

all life except dogs which are braindead empty shells

I get what you mean but there are different kinds of intelligences and some are more apparent than others. You can test how smart an animal is by giving it a puzzle or maze or something that uses it's abilities the best, and see how it solves it. This is great for animals which are harder to understand like octopusses, rats etc. For ones we can more easily understand like, dolphins, elephants and the like it is easier to see their strengths and abilities. Also, some animals are just stupid and practically brain dead like Koalas. This is not getting into things like plants which would make Octopuses seem easy to understand. That's a whole world we have a lot of work to do on.

@@6500s1 can you explain why dogs are braindead? Im not tryna be mean or nothing you just genuinely peaked my curiosity because I feel like I know why and I agree but I want to know why that is

Imagine how they would have evolved if they were able to have more than one generation of offspring and developed socially.

Jorge Morales I’m pretty sure he was joking; either that or just has some strange bias against dogs lol. But to my point: I thought you might like to know that, in the sense in which you used the word, it is spelled ‘piqued'. Honestly not tryna be a smart ass though.

I don't. Help a guy out and explain the joke?

@@bbd121 the registry number for the Starship Enterprise is NCC-1701. Joe's video length is 17:01

Nice catch!

I think NASA found fossilized bacteria on mars, but dont quote me on that. Since all it takes for life to begin is just the pure luck of a few proteins being built over the curse of a long time, life could be inevitable on many planets, but the amount of time it takes to develop information storage molecules would be a huge factor in how long it takes. Also to get any sort of complex life, life would need to develop some sort of way to get high genetic diversity in every generation like sexual reproduction.

Not necessarily. All it would guarantee is that our planet had conditions favourable to life; it wouldn't guarantee how common conditions like that are. I am still really hopeful that we find life outside of earth though.

@@amentrison2794 To be fair many of the basic components that just Earth Life needs are relatively common in the universe, so its very unlikely there isn't at least single celled organisms elsewhere in the galaxy alone.

@@KaiserMattTygore927 I absolutely agree with you which is why I'm very hopeful about finding life elsewhere. That being said, I also try to be honest about the actual evidence that currently exists.

If so, and affected by incoming 'space viruses', then even the simplest extraterrestrial life we might discover will likely have several repeating 'patterns' of development that are similar to our own.

BLASPHEEMER

One could argue that the world as they knew it was 6000 years old, not the literal earth. Same with the flood. The world as they knew it was flooded, not the entire planet.

@@solidusosiris38 Exactly. The same thing as ancient emperors saying, "I am king of kings, ruler of the entire world!" Well, as far as they knew, I guess. Many researchers think it's possible that the floods in Genesis and Gilgamesh are both based on the same ancient story referring to some huge flood (or floods) that ravaged Mesopotamia.

Funny how gods did not exist until man created them . . never content with just one, then all of a sudden he supposedly created everything, while many knew! ? ? ? certainly and beyond doubt! that the world was flat!

Another example of a commenter who has never actually studied the Church's position on pre-historic times. While some protestants do indeed believe that the universe is 6000 years old, the Catholic Church has long accepted that the universe began some 13 billion years ago.

Crowbars2 I second this. Love your content and delivery Joe. Sorry to nitpick.

The joke few over both of your heads.

I think he really meant epigenesis, as in after the time when life consisted of single-celled organisms as it did for most of earth's history..

You sure the first thing you describe isn´t ontogenesis?

@@paavobergmann4920 Wouldn't that be a bit later?

@MegaMrblackguy This comment was a wild ride from start to finish.

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LOL! But Imma jus gonna throw this out there... We may never know what an Octopus really identifies itself as...

Except no species is homophobic. Homophobia is a pathology of human behavior. That 4th-grade stab at humor is a textbook example.

T Doran No intelligent person finds it necessary to degrade other people for laughs. Which explains why the cruel and dimwitted often do.

@@prototropo hypocrite much

Best comment.

We (and most life on the planet) are born and learn thru our lifetimes. Like hot, don’t touch, dont eat this or Do eat that etc etc etc. I believe that the octopus has a way of passing on that learned knowledge from generation to generation thru mechanisms that we just don’t understand. Just my opinion.

Alan O many animals do this, insects do for sure. Mammals don’t, they must actually be taught. But you could be right, and perhaps that’s why it can manipulate 20,000 genes? It’s actually creating a library of information for its offspring?

@@alano9936 Zoo-raised monkeys who've never seen a snake ftf-out when confronted with a rubber representation of a snake in their enclosure.

@@alano9936 Epigenetics: By the middle of the 20th century, scientists began realizing that DNA sequences weren't the only things telling genes what to do. Some instructions were also coming from the epigenome - basically a collection of other chemical markers and signals that interact with DNA and influence its activity. Perhaps the most intriguing animal paper so far is a study published online in the winter of 2013 that appeared to show that fear memories can be inherited. Researchers from Emory University trained male mice to associate an odor with an electrical shock, so that they would get startled simply by smelling the odor by itself. Surprisingly, the scientists found that the smell also startled the next two generations of mice. www.vox.com/platform/amp/2014/8/18/5927269/epigenetics-definition-cancer-diet-explained-inheritance-DNA-methylation

How about, "From the start of this boring ass class..." Just kidding... BTW, I don't EVER remember starting any of my essays that way. Granted, there were quite a few I didn't start, so that might have been part of it. But still, even in my physics class, where such a cliche would be appropriate, I don't know of anyone who used that.

"Webster's dictionary describes science as the pursuit of knowledge using a set of pre-defined rules..." Junior, you're getting a D

I hope you also taught them when to use capital letters...

It was a dark and dreary night ... Once upon a time ...

tentacles are special, in that they have specialised suction cups with chitin hooks around them, on a special pad at the end of the tentacle. Neither the octopuses, nor the nautilus´arms have that. So.

To be fair, they're also tongues

Or have a meme on your shirt?

Yah like body language

Both those words apparently refer to the "number" of the subject, when I look up their definitions.

@@PinataOblongata but conjugation only applies to verbs. It is wdird, just accept it.

A H is it hentai?

there're comments under Arrival-related videos explaining how nonsensical that movie is; Joe Scott should know better, and not recommend that movie as scientifically accurate (because it is not)

@@ireneuszpyc6684 lick your hand and slap yourself. being 100% scientifically accurate doesn't make a movie good. it's called science -fiction-, genius.

@@Asdfology there're 2 types of sci-fi: the hard one (scientifically accurate, like 2001: Space Odyssey), and the fantasy type, like "Arrival"

@@Asdfology even in this comment section some people explain why "Arrival" was silly: "..Arrival was comically bad and aliens still need to be able to form societies and be able to build ships, technology and those tentacles wouldn't make it possible now would they? You don't see dolphins or octopus building anything..."

@@ireneuszpyc6684 I'm gonna go ahead and call your "two types of scifi" nonsense... nonsense... Just because some authors put more effort into what is *mathematically* possible vs those that prefer more embellishments to carry on with the story makes no difference in writing. Except what people want to whine about. Take Star Trek and give it a good objective once through, and you'd realize how "science fantasy" it is. Cloaking? Force fields? Warp drives? All fantasy nonsense specifically set in place for story elements. Arrival wasn't "silly". It was focused on a single core element of language (a thing most people don't seem to understand). That is the phenomenon where learning new languages gives you completely new perspectives. And people are claiming tentacles can't build starships? ... *sigh* Any appendage that allows the use of tools and environment manipulation could build a starship given enough time and evolutionary focus. The only point of possible contestation here is whether or not an apparently ocean based life form can develop advanced civilization without FIRE. Assuming they aren't gas balloons in a high pressure atmosphere.

I was going to say this exact same comment. You beat me to it!

And in addition to your first point: On a planet full of us, it's easier to cast one of us than an alien.

Spaghetti monster from original Star Trek- “am I a joke to you”

Gotta patch up that roof somehow

I guess that common ancestor is us humans then, since we've found a lot of fossils of our development on this planet over millions of years. The question would then be how did we manage to get around the galaxy planting our DNA before we started exploring the galaxy?

Wot? Wdym?

Omg this is hilarious. Spot on. What an amazing observation. You made me literally laugh out loud by myself, no joke. You have my upvote and my respect.

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Savage

@-.--.- he talked bad about using a generic opening to the video. Thed proceeded to use an even more generic introduction.

Just saw both of those movie adaptations, good SciFi - you can tell it inspired things like Arrival and Annihilation.

Communicating with an incomprehensible, alien intelligence: You've met my ex-wife?

I think we make a lot of assumptions about life: that it needs H,C & O (primarily), for example.

@SigmaTauri2 THe other alternative is lern to communicate with a parrot! I've been a pet sitter & avian critters have a very "alien" intelligence to mammals. Even a house cat is more comprehensible.

Just that emotions and expressions are somewhat limited...

basically all human communication is done by nerves controlling muscles

What only the few seem to know is that time clearly begins at midnight. ;)

@@annoyed707 at the midnight of time doesn't have quite the same ring to it... by the way is 0:00hrs am or pm in that odd system some people use?

@@wilhelmhedin8845, I believe 00:00•hrs is most likely AM ~ ^especially^ considering the way that midnight marks the ^beginning^ of the next day.

@@Ashoka_the-Great714 eggcellent "Since 0000hrs , quite a few hours before the dawn of time, depending on time zone and DST..."

"From the Happy Hour of Time"

In the Philippines I saw a plank that started with “since time immemorial” and then in the same sentence said it was in 1586.

Long Dark Teatime of the Soul? (... for Douglas Adams fans...)

I've said "once upon a time" 🏰

Man that was Epic, got a proper lol from me :)

😁😃 Yeah, me too! Almost lost my coffee sip over that! 😎

LMAO!!!!

@Chad Dysvick that's mean :D :D :D

They literally live INSIDE of the short bus.

But their pretty. Kinda like my sister.

Humans and Cephalopods share the exact same heritage(Unless the they really are aliens... >.> ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Zf1se03Aqmo.html) So no they are not actually older. Honestly this is ridiculous of coarse we are very different they split from us 550,000,000 years ago. That doesn't mean they are aliens. It just means they grew upon a very different branch.

We conquered the planet so we are definitely not the aliens

@@igbotimehopper64yearsago46 Ants, flies and chickens have conquered the planet.

@@ls200076 nope this are still at natures mercy. We the owners of the planet have the power to change nature

igboman speaks usually for the worst. I remember a movie long ago, where aliens thought the planet was populated by cars, and humans were parasites like fleas.

Shakespeare!

@@bobcourtier4674 “There can be only one!”

That was my association too, especially as they are aliens if you consider anything beyond the first movie to exist :-)

Bob Courtier I thought it was, “Feed your head”, “The Darvon said, feed your head”, or maybe we’re talking about two different things?

Loved that movie!

Yep, I really liked the “alien-ness” of the aliens.

PrivateSi 1 second ago Arrival is a film about being pregnant and having a baby

You should watch the Endless if you have the chance. I believe it’s on amazon

PrivateSi you weren’t paying attention to the movie were you?

Spock always with his tricorder, “oxygen normal”, and they snatch their helmets off.

The gravity issue is one of the biggest reasons why I stopped believing in lunar colonization. Can you imagine daily life on the moon? It'd likely be so cumbersome as to be difficult! And evolution doesn't happen fast; by the time humans genetically adapted to lunar life, we'd have long deliberately changed ourselves.

How do you know??? How do you know it was .5-1.5g....

And the planets in star wars are all one biosphere and biome

@@coltonbates629 Planets in star wars were terraformed (i think)

And most effective form...

@Asadullah Ilyas life didn't start on earth

Only one thing can explain this......

@Asadullah Ilyas life is probably planted on earth by other intelligent beings or aliens

Star Trek has an explanation of why all of the aliens look like us. Apparently, a humanoid race spread its DNA into the beginning stages of life on multiple planets in the galaxy as a way of preserving their culture.

Karl as did the Chariots Of The Gods documentary many decades ago. It was the precursor to… *sigh*… Ancient Aliens on the History Channel. Panspermia in a nutshell.

Lem, yes! Rarely is science fiction so compelling, insightful and of ironic wit. I cannot recommend his _Summa Technogiae_ enough, these essays examine civilization in the absence of limitations, both material and technological.

@@XmarkedSpot I haven't heard about that one before, I will definitely check it out! Unrelated to the current topic, but I can't help mentioning that his Futurological Congress is one of the most amazing, surreal and innovative novels I've ever come across... It's like Philip K Dick on steroids, if you're into that sort of sort

​@@Ctenomy _The Star Diaries_ compile the travels of one Ijon Tichy up until he visits that particular Congress ^^ My book tip for you: _Snow Crash_ by Stephenson

They should republish all the old canon every few decades. It would inform and nourish new ideas.

Dam you, now I'm adding all those novels mentioned here to my cart to get me thru this pandemic lockdown.