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CGC President Matt Nelson On Allowable Defects For 9.9's and 9.8's - Is Comic Grading Subjective?

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In this clip from Swagglecast I ask CGC President Matt Nelson about comic book grading and if its subjective. Could he share his thoughts on the difference between 9.8's and 9.9's - can they both have spine ticks?
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@davidsamuelson2089 2 месяца назад

Grading is NOT subjective. It is either accurate or inaccurate. It should NEVER matter who is submitting - they have bastardized the entire point.

@J.O._comics 2 месяца назад

Unless you have a computer do the work and have that computer programmed to identify thousands of unique defects, you’ll always get a subjective grade. The problem with the computer grading is it’s still fallible because ultimately it’s programmed by humans and can only go within its coding.

@MagicCityComics 2 месяца назад

Completely agree! Grading is NOT subjective. “Subjective” is the term used to justify mistakes.

@philipdispenza 2 месяца назад

I guess you guys can always open your own grading company and "accurately" grade every book coming in.

@kevinhurt5331 2 месяца назад

Facts

@MagicCityComics 2 месяца назад

@@philipdispenza these grading companies pride themselves on being the best at what they do. They also charge a premium for their services. There’s established grading criteria. All they have to do is follow their own guidelines. How come all of the sudden, 9.8’s are coming back 9.9? Why wasn’t it a 9.9 from the get go?

@joshuawyatt4381 2 месяца назад

"Look Swags, we never intended for people to find out how easy it was to exploit our poor slab designs and reholdering process, and we certainly did not want to lower prices after numerous lawsuits became public. But I got execs on my ass to increase revenue so we are giving out 2.5x the number of 9.9's compared to last year to increase resubmissions, copying CBCS's authentication service, and hooking Zurzolo up on them banger 9.9/10 grades. This has never been about integrity, it is about money, and right now we need more of it!" -Matt

@deerichardz 2 месяца назад

CGC has always been a scam, from day one. Nicely said.

@freezingmoon75 2 месяца назад

Grades above 9.0 should have comprehensive grading notes that detail every imperfection that knocked it down from a 10 to whatever grade it received.

@comiccollex958 2 месяца назад

This wasn’t an interview it was a platform

@timhartwick1986 2 месяца назад

As a buyer, it's zero spine ticks on 9.9 or walk away.

@thirtyacres7504 2 месяца назад

As well as a 9.8. But we know we've seen CGC let many books get away with it in a 9.8 including spine ticks, blunted corners, and color rub.

@samuelcatoe1927 2 месяца назад

Agreed. Actual 9.9s do not have a spine tick.

@grimygrime 2 месяца назад

I question every move CGC makes since Blackrock got involved.

@bandoogiemanz 2 месяца назад

No questions about it, they're all profit based. Simple as that.

@thecomickeeper5127 2 месяца назад

Cgc, why were u not grading on a 1-10 scale from the beginning ? What have we been submitting for this whole time? This makes no sense. I think their plan the whole time was to set the standard at 9.8 then gradually allow grade-flation so they can have ppl resub potentially millions of books. Seems like a nice guy but sorry, this stuff is getting shady

@latch78 2 месяца назад

CGC sounds desperate to bribe us with 9.9 grades for books with spine ticks.

@shawnmichaud4484 2 месяца назад

Of course. That's how they'll get a ton of resubmission. And they're doing a great job of it

@demonslayer8085 2 месяца назад

WTF?!? A 9.9 book can have a spine tic?!? I won’t even buy a 9.8 with a spine tic! To me, a 9.9 book SHOULD NOT have ANY flaws that you can see with the naked eye. I feel like Matt Nelson is saying this just so they can justify giving that GSXM 1 a 9.9 grade!! Matt Nelson losing credibility with me after this vid.

@VolkswagenGamer 2 месяца назад

I always thought you are allowed one small handling defect for a 9.8. No handling defects for a 9.9, but maybe one manufacturing defect. CGC totally killed it for me when Mr. Nelson here and their marketing department revealed "eye appeal" determines the severity of the defect. Ridiculous. -- Yeah that classic car with 10,000 miles has an immaculate exterior but doesn't drive!

@holyharlot5222 2 месяца назад

no kidding. false authority

@dfilm 2 месяца назад

I don't own slabs but appreciate this as a concept. Otherwise any single book that gets shipped to a comic store and put on a shelf to purchase can't ever get a 9.8 or 9.9 which would be unreasonable.

@samuelcatoe1927 2 месяца назад

The only defect allowed in a 9.9 should be a single minor manufacturer defect like a bindery tear. No handling defect should be present at all. If there is a handling defect, the best grade should be 9.8, period.

@bandoogiemanz 2 месяца назад

as a seller of slabs, but not a buyer, im not sure how i should feel about this

@davidsamuelson2089 2 месяца назад

What Nelson says:”usually 1 or 2 of us is off” … What he really means is- we now allow our owners (big auction houses & dealers) insane incorrect 9.9/10 greases. You common subber will never see it so we can artificially balance the nebulous census.

@bandoogiemanz 2 месяца назад

exactly.

@ediddy2497 2 месяца назад

Making an analogy using baseball and empires is kind of funny. CGC right now would be compared to former MLB umpire Angel Hernandez. 👀

@rayatl217 2 месяца назад

What is empires? Please

@geoffn8963 2 месяца назад

The only person who is ever going to get back a 9.9 with a small color breaking spine tick is Mr. Pink. Give me a break. No regular collector will ever receive a 9.9 with a color breaking tick no matter how small and no matter how perfect the book is.

@StillOnly35c 2 месяца назад

CGC changing the narrative and putting more fuel on the 9.9 fire. 9.8 is the new 9.6 folks.

@coldbloodedclowns6797 2 месяца назад

This is getting redick. I sent a lot to CGc last month of cream of the crop condition comics. 21 books got 18 9.8s , 2 9.6 and one didn’t qualify. Not one 9.9. I am happy with the haul but don’t tell me there wasn’t 9.9 in 18 books if you can now have a spine tic, THAT BREAKS COLOR! Cant wait for AI to grade books.

@lukemorley3540 2 месяца назад

You need to be a big auction house spending a lot more $$$ and sending in 10 of the same book so they can gift you a 9.9 from the batch

@jabezcreed 2 месяца назад

They have a video showing exactly what defects they use to distinguish between 9.8 and 9.9. A spine tick was not one of them.

@coldbloodedclowns6797 2 месяца назад

@@jabezcreed they have 100% changed their standers and thats ok as they are a business but the problem for me is they are acting like this was always the case…it was not

@jabezcreed 2 месяца назад

@@coldbloodedclowns6797 I would agree.

@bandoogiemanz 2 месяца назад

@@lukemorley3540 exactly.

@PalmBeachComicPresser 2 месяца назад

I can’t wait to see the full interview. I hope you asked him “has the grading standards for 9.8-10.0 changed in the last year?” I would love to hear an honest answer to that question.

@vinceguaglione5524 2 месяца назад

1. You think he will actually ask that question? 2. You think Matt will actually say, "Yes, it has." It's pretty clear to me the standards have been relaxed.

@ryanbush6118 2 месяца назад

Just seems really shady. I thought 9.9 books were supposedly Unicorn finds? That was the cope people parroted for years at least.

@makeroomfordoom 2 месяца назад

“World class grading experts” is actually laughable

@GreekGeek66 2 месяца назад

Exactly. Random dudes learning about comics and grading and 6 weeks later they're touching 4 and 5 figure books with no clue what to look for and what to do. Quantity over quality. Get those slabs out the door and process more!!!!

@bandoogiemanz 2 месяца назад

@@GreekGeek66 i thought the older more valuable books were reserved for grading only by the more senior graders at cgc.

@FrankCastlesConscience 2 месяца назад

Tbh I’d be dubious of a 9.6 with obvious spine ticks, even most 9.4s dont have them. The idea of a 9.8/9.9 with spine ticks 😂

@samuelcatoe1927 2 месяца назад

A 9.8 can have a single miniscule spine tick. It's the highest grade where such a defect would be allowable.

@J_Eusebio 2 месяца назад

Sounds like a politician…..

@thirtyacres7504 2 месяца назад

He looks like he's been golfing.

@RPRsChannel 2 месяца назад

*_Well, I KNOW NOW that ALL my CGC 9.8's are in fact CGC 9.9's and CGC 10's._* *_They are all FLAWLESS._*

@kestonsoldschoolcomicbooks6842 2 месяца назад

Thanks for hosting a great interview, Mickey. I liked hearing Matt's breakdown of spine ticks. As with all defects, they range in severity. We like to believe that a 9.6, a 9.8, and a 9.9 are separate things: books will fall neatly into one of the categories. The reality is there is an infinite continuum of grades but humans can only reliably make rougher distinctions. What's hard then is trying to figure out where a 9.6 becomes a 9.8 and a 9.8 becomes a 9.9.

@Supertomscustoms 2 месяца назад

It’s not that difficult, especially at those higher grades. Any defect in that range could easily be measured and quantified.

@jersvids 2 месяца назад

I absolutely disagree with the analogy that grading is a strike zone. The biggest reason being that a strike zone is invisible and the umpire can't do anything but make a subjective call from his/her point of view. Grading on the other hand is a physical item that can be looked at from all angles under bright lights and magnification and there are pretty clear guidelines on what constitutes what grade. It shouldn't be subjective at all.

@Aintjustshoes 2 месяца назад

Timestamp 7:35 what kind of f*k*ry is that. So if they happen to feel a book is a grade without that spine tic they will give it take grade if they are feeling like it!?🤯

@carnivalhands2884 2 месяца назад

Everybody says CGC is a bad grading company yet everyone uses them. Go figure.

@thirtyacres7504 2 месяца назад

Also, the game is rigged. House wins. CGC is the dominant grading "authority" for comic books. I hope this changes one day.

@bronzevillecomics2581 2 месяца назад

Certain submitters certainly have an advantage when submitting large multiples of the same key. There is a strike zone, but sometimes Angel Hernandez grades your book... Big time submitters are pitching like Livan Hernandez with Eric Gregg behind the plate.

@Supertomscustoms 2 месяца назад

If 9.8s are now suddenly allowed to have 2 color breaking defects, then why do 99.9% of all 9.8s have no grading notes?

@canadiansurvivalist7222 2 месяца назад

A sucker is born every day

@The9.9Newsstand 2 месяца назад

Great work Swagg!! Can’t wait to watch the rest!

@redandblack2865 2 месяца назад

Great interview! Handled it like a pro. Looking forward to the day where it’s all AI and we can remove the subjectivity.

@brute_nm 2 месяца назад

Great questions, Mickey! I appreciate Matt's transparency

@michaelcooper9725 2 месяца назад

Yep, great questions, and great, thorough answers. Very helpful!

@davidsamuelson2089 2 месяца назад

Transparency? Did you see him actually speak to the fact that the auction houses are all getting these multiple 9.9 and 10 grades? On single wired submittals? There’s no transparency there. It’s just gaslighting and BS.

@davidsamuelson2089 2 месяца назад

I was wonder what happened to that prosecuting all those criminals to the fullest extended a lot that they promised a couple of months back? Or an update on the better cases? Whatever have all that great follow-through that never happened? But they sure as hell push those 9.9 for the auction houses.

@marveltruth5858 2 месяца назад

And yet we ALL have seen 9.8's with 4-5 spine ticks that break color

@ddougherty8266 2 месяца назад

Stop making sense... it's not permitted. 😀

@Jacobs_Moose 2 месяца назад

When does the first 10.1 come out? Or do we call it a 10.00?

@lukeorloki 2 месяца назад

Market manipulation in a monopolized subjective manufactured high end grading market! Inconceivable!

@marveltruth5858 2 месяца назад

And a book with sharp corners and no spine ticks get 9.4....hmmmmmm

@shawnmichaud4484 2 месяца назад

Good news everyone, soon you'll be able to resubmit books for a 1 level bump from what it was graded over the past decade

@donaldvonglitchenberger4108 2 месяца назад

yay. then in another decade you’ll be able to bump those 9.9s that used to be 9.8s to 10.0s. I’m So grateful for cgc

@shawnmichaud4484 2 месяца назад

@donaldvonglitchenberger4108 it's a solid strategy for at least short term longevity. Gotta hand it to them. They know how to work their audience.

@shannonbuff587 2 месяца назад

Now this is what sucks about having a 9.8 book with no grader notes. You don't know if it has a chance to get a 9.9 in this new grading world. You just got to take a gamble

@WadeNslade 2 месяца назад

I have 9.4s that are better than the supposedly 9.9s

@user-vy7yf2wo7k 2 месяца назад

No you don't

@MetalBum 2 месяца назад

Great interview. Not sure if everyone commenting watched cuz the content was good and made sense. Great questions and letting him speak on it

@davidsamuelson2089 2 месяца назад

Why is Gaslighting Voldemort emerging from the depths of hell again? Oh, to shill & lie for his ghoulish corrupt owners.

@ama0858 2 месяца назад

2 grades seems like a wide strike zone

@wayneweidman1543 2 месяца назад

I have seen 9.6 cgc books that look flawless. Shouldn’t visible flaws be the most important part of grading higher condition books??? I’m just a lowly collector not a silver tongued business man.

@VaryingViewpoint 2 месяца назад

Great interview!

@SinbadComics 2 месяца назад

Reminds me of the story about the gambler... "If you know the game is rigged, why do you still play?" Because it's the only game in town.

@ddougherty8266 2 месяца назад

I think CGC grades are subjective at every grade level. I wish someone was willing to waste the money to prove it... All they'd have to do is take 100 cgc slabs graded between 6.0 and 9.8. I think there are 10 grades in that span? Get 10 slabs of various comics for each grade in that span, record the grades, crack them all open and submit them as raw books. About one fourth will come back with a lower grade, about half will come back the same, and about one fourth will come back with a higher grade (and about five will come back damaged - lol). But despite my perspective - I don't really care... If people want to pay three times as much for a 9.8 slab than a 9.6 - when everyone knows that the grades aren't precise enough to be reliable - it's their business and their money.

@MintBiscuits 2 месяца назад

If grading is subjective then grading notes should be mandatory. As for the baseball analogy, I hope that anyone who submits books do not end up with the Angel Hernandez of graders and if you understand that reference then you understand why the phrase "grading is subjective" is nonsense and that there needs to be some sort of set standard if ppl are going to participate in a system where people make money on comics.

@Mr_Rob_otto 2 месяца назад

The goalposts are being moved to suit CGC’s favored clients, such as Heritage Auctions, high profile artists, publishers, and anyone else with deep pockets. Or to use the metaphor this corporate spokesman used, the strike zone is smaller for favorite pitchers. I’m sure Swagglehouse will get some favored grades for hosting this propaganda.

@pauly237 2 месяца назад

Okay so all of our 9.8 soon to be devalued to current 9.6 levels.

@thirtyacres7504 2 месяца назад

Matt Nelson: "A 9.9 can have one stress line that breaks color and a 9.8 can have two?" Matt Nelson sounds like a politician. Probably been golfing a lot, too. Can't trust CGC with Matt Nelson (or any puppet) and Blackstone.

@SinbadComics 2 месяца назад

While I understand the inherent subjectivity of grading comics, it is far too often used as a euphemism for inconsistency.

@philipdispenza 2 месяца назад

Hey Mickey, where is the 1 1/2 hour full interview? I'd like to see it.

@thecomickeeper5127 2 месяца назад

Hopefully he'll release it in sections . I'd like to see it as well.

@philipdispenza 2 месяца назад

@@thecomickeeper5127 I mentioned to Matt that the video came out and that it was 9 minutes long and he said it was 1 1/2 hours. 😀

@Swagglehaus 2 месяца назад

Full video comes out tomorrow - I mentioned in description. But I find it helps to break up the long form into a couple pieces since most people don't watch the entire thing.

@jabezcreed 2 месяца назад

As always, I do not frequent in slabbed comic books. I think his answers though are every clear and explain what they prioritize in the grading process. A lot of people on RU-vid think my book off the shelf was never read, so it's perfect. Reality is 9.9 and 10.0 need to have no printing defects, but the collector hasn't paid attention to that in the 9.8 era.

@michaeltan4204 2 месяца назад

His answer for the criteria of a 9.9 just left me more confused. 😞

@bandoogiemanz 2 месяца назад

thats probably the point lol

@BigMoneyGripMCV 2 месяца назад

great video - perfect information to have and know what a 9.9 and 9.8 can really have. So a 9.8 can have 2 color-breaking spine ticks if the rest is stellar.

@user-vy7yf2wo7k 2 месяца назад

People seem to forget.. CGC ultimately exists to make money. Its a business.. we pay them to grade books, so thats what they do. Dont like the service.. dont buy the service.

@InvestmentComicBooks Месяц назад

Grading by humans is about to take a back seat, grading using Machine Learning “AI” will be superior due to no emotion.

@jimyouker6119 2 месяца назад

So…..a 9.8 can have a COLOR BREAKING spine tick?!?

@vader4543 2 месяца назад

9.8 collectors reviewing there collection now

@unomars9694 2 месяца назад

The whole CGC 9.9/10 debate is only a problem if we allowed it to be a thing. No one in their right mind will purchase a 9.9 that was graded last week opposed to one graded years ago. And Matt is just saying a bunch of nonsense. Clearly, CGC is getting desperate.

@kevinhurt5331 2 месяца назад

Everyone is literally checking out cgc’d books and calling bs in person I’ve become a never cgc guy.

@49felix50 2 месяца назад

With all that money cgc makes , why does every interview looks like thier in a bathroom or janitors closet

@user-vy7yf2wo7k 2 месяца назад

It's because most workplaces don't have an "interview" area.

@artdelgado8132 2 месяца назад

Great interview, lots of good insights from Matt on CGC grading practices. Thanks a bunch, Swag!

@pcorey182 2 месяца назад

I used to always defend cgc always felt they offered a good product but any more the nonsense they're saying and the scandals that have gone on I want nothing to do with cgc ever again to say a 9.9 can have spine tic total garbage nonsense get out of here I don't know any collector that would want a 9.9 book and see a spine tic on the book and be okay with that

@bryant865 2 месяца назад

comic collector community: wth? ... wtf? ... this is unacceptable ... they are screwing us all over every comic collector: i can't wait to get my shipment back from cgc ... hope i get some 9.8's or better this is not a cgc problem ... they cannot function without customers support

@brentonbr13 2 месяца назад

This is becoming a joke. I'm regretting supporting cgc and may stop supporting them.

@3riverscomics571 2 месяца назад

My recent experience with cgc grading, and I send hundreds of books a year, is that they are grading significantly harder since the “scandal”. Anecdotally I have gotten agreement on this from other lcs owners and sellers. I can’t support that the graders are consistently grading to the standard that Matt discussed in the video. Just my take on the last 4 months or so.

@shawnmichaud4484 2 месяца назад

Yet more 9.9s than ever before

@300baud 2 месяца назад

Maybe grading harsher for the everyday ham-and-eggers, but the auction houses appear to be getting a plethora of 9.9s now.

@bandoogiemanz 2 месяца назад

@@300baud exactly, it seems you have to pay-to-play when it comes to 9.9s and 10s

@GravyMovies 2 месяца назад

Yahhhh… I’m not buying what he’s saying.

@tonynardelli443 2 месяца назад

Ah yes the ink does reflect more on key issues 😂 what is this guy talking about?

@harvey0812 2 месяца назад

World Class BS is more like it.

@sade281 2 месяца назад

It’s all a scam !!! If they want to give a book a 9.9 they will I got a book back all day 9.4 + it came back an 8.0 there was 2 spink ticks notes were vague it is what it is !! Buy the book not the grade 😮😮😮

@aaronmull2761 2 месяца назад

Cgc (pgx) sounds terrible.

@WadeNslade 2 месяца назад

😂😂😂😂

@Hobbiest34243 2 месяца назад

I truly believe that those that are unhappy with CGC grading should just go work for Matt at CGC and learn exactly how to grade their way! No amount of explanation is ever going to satisfy an unhappy person when it comes to CGC grading.

@VolkswagenGamer 2 месяца назад

Unless it's an investment, buy the book not the grade. Grading based on ambiguous criteria like "eye appeal" makes this highly subjective.

@Supertomscustoms 2 месяца назад

It’s not the lack of understanding, it’s that their standards are ever changing to fit their financial goals.

@user-vy7yf2wo7k 2 месяца назад

CGC exists to make money.. thats its purpose.

@Supertomscustoms 2 месяца назад

@@user-vy7yf2wo7kyes, we’re all aware of capitalism. But, if that’s their sole purpose, then all the more reason to not trust them or pay top dollar for their subjective opinions. Capitalism is great until it overtakes all senses of morality, fairness, and integrity.

@49felix50 2 месяца назад

Sounds like a bunch of BS

@bigghoww 2 месяца назад

This some B.S.

@AGC173 2 месяца назад

sheesh... CGC seems like a scam

@STASHdadtv 2 месяца назад

Grading is subjective. I grade differently then you and sonon and on. With a service again grading is still subjective to their rules but it should be consistently the same as you grade.