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Chain dropped onto scales: finding the effective mass 

Dr Ben Yelverton
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@EVANGELOSS54
@EVANGELOSS54 3 дня назад
What a little gem of a channel ! Coriolis force brought me here and now I am stuck !
@AffaAu
@AffaAu 2 месяца назад
Very clear in explaining this chain-scale problem 👍
@DrBenYelverton
@DrBenYelverton Месяц назад
I'm glad it was clear!
@MissPiggyM976
@MissPiggyM976 10 месяцев назад
Well done, thanks!
@DrBenYelverton
@DrBenYelverton 10 месяцев назад
Thank you!
@elibrahimi1169
@elibrahimi1169 10 месяцев назад
shouldn't you use the product rule for dp/dt since v is not a constant ?
@DrBenYelverton
@DrBenYelverton 10 месяцев назад
Good question, I can see why it looks like that mathematically. Let's write it as Δp/Δt, which is Δ(dm×v)/Δt. Note that p is not mv, it's dm×v because the mass is already infinitesimal. Then using the product rule Δ(dm×v)/Δt = dmΔv/Δt + vΔ(dm)/Δt. The second term is in fact zero because dm isn't changing, it's just the fixed mass of our chain element. Finally, Δv has magnitude v, because the velocity of the element reduces from v to zero in time Δt. Taking the limit Δt -> dt gives F = vdm/dt.
@elibrahimi1169
@elibrahimi1169 10 месяцев назад
@@DrBenYelverton oh so it's like cross term differentials being negligeable next to ordinary differentials , thank you sir Ben , i get it now
@DrBenYelverton
@DrBenYelverton 10 месяцев назад
I suppose the end result is the same but this is slightly different because the second term is actually identically zero - because dm is a fixed value and doesn't change - rather than just negligibly small.
@elibrahimi1169
@elibrahimi1169 10 месяцев назад
@@DrBenYelverton i see, ty
@-soap
@-soap 8 месяцев назад
5:10 4th form? I only know of F=ma and this one. What are the others?
@DrBenYelverton
@DrBenYelverton 8 месяцев назад
That was supposed to be "full form", i.e. F = dp/dt rather than just F = ma!
@hmu2816
@hmu2816 9 месяцев назад
Thanks for the amazing content. It's educational and insightful. I'd appreciate if you could elaborate on the dx/dt construct. When it comes to impact, I was thinking of dt as the interval of time between the moment of impact and the object coming to rest. But we don't explicitly have the dt information in the problem. It seems that the construct implies that the 'last' dt prior to the impact is equivalent to the dt required to bring the object to rest. Could you please explain the intuition behind the "dx/dt" and why this is exactly the same as the velocity of the falling object prior to impact and not some 'other' velocity? Thanks!
@DrBenYelverton
@DrBenYelverton 9 месяцев назад
Thanks for your kind words! First, from a purely mathematical perspective, note that we derived x = ½gt² earlier, so dx/dt has to be gt. But gt is the same as v, so if the derivation makes sense up to that point, you're kind of forced to accept that dx/dt is just the velocity of the chain at the moment before impact! However, for a more intuitive way of thinking about it, note that the chain has total instantaneous momentum Mv, and therefore momentum per unit length Mv/l. Now, any part of the chain that hits the scales has its momentum reduced to zero immediately, so the total change in momentum per unit time is (momentum per unit length) × (length of chain hitting scales per unit time). That second term is simply the velocity of the chain! This way you can derive the same expression for F that we got in the video, without ever having to worry about infinitesimal quantities.
@hmu2816
@hmu2816 9 месяцев назад
Awesome. Got it. Thanks!
@DrBenYelverton
@DrBenYelverton 9 месяцев назад
One point to add for completeness - I said that the total momentum was Mv, but this is only true when the entire chain is still in freefall. However, the momentum per unit length is still Mv/l even after the chain starts hitting the scales, because the mass of chain in freefall is proportional to the length of chain in freefall (i.e. they decrease by the same proportion so that their ratio is constant and equal to M/l).
@hmu2816
@hmu2816 9 месяцев назад
Thanks for the follow up. Very clear.
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