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chain rule for derivative but why do we need it, calculus 1 tutorial 

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@hopp2184
@hopp2184 6 лет назад
I have an idea: prove all the derivative rules using “the definition” Prove product rule, quotient rule, chain rule etc
@dolevgo8535
@dolevgo8535 6 лет назад
didnt dr.payem do the product rule already?
@angelmendez-rivera351
@angelmendez-rivera351 5 лет назад
Michael Bobman The chain rule is not at all complicated. In fact, it is far more intuitive to prove with algebra than the product rule.
@MohaMMaDiN55
@MohaMMaDiN55 5 лет назад
You can visit KhanAcademy channel for this. He explains them very well.
@SimsHacks
@SimsHacks 3 года назад
@@angelmendez-rivera351 it's complicated. The algebra "proof" of multiplying by [g(x+h)-g(x)]/[g(x+h)-g(x)] is mathematically incorrect.
@angelmendez-rivera351
@angelmendez-rivera351 3 года назад
@@SimsHacks It isn't.
@Vidrinskas
@Vidrinskas 6 лет назад
My way is to call it 'Function of a function' rule. Because that describes it so much better.
@bilz0r
@bilz0r 6 лет назад
#yay I love how in one video, your topic is pretty advanced, and the next video you deal with something really basic, and you don't start saying "obviously" and talk down to your audience. You treat every topic like it is just as important as any other.
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 6 лет назад
Yay!!! Thank you!!! I do have a wide-range of audiences with different backgrounds and interests. Hopefully this works : )
@Debg91
@Debg91 6 лет назад
Chen-Lu strikes back!
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 6 лет назад
Dani Borrajo Gutiérrez yup!!
@germanlover4561
@germanlover4561 5 лет назад
YAY!
@ajiwibowo8736
@ajiwibowo8736 6 лет назад
Dr Peyam says "Use the Chen-Lu" its like martial arts XD
@psyneur9182
@psyneur9182 5 лет назад
Nice video. I also like 3b1b's video on the chain rule, it really helps to build the intuition of why you multiply by the derivative of the inside.
@s00s77
@s00s77 6 лет назад
it just lacks the "why should be natural to take the derivative of the inside". pretty important this part what i mean is something like "then, you realize that the first power rule was just the derivative with respect to the inside, not x" great vid, anyway
@tenonenull9202
@tenonenull9202 6 лет назад
Hi blackpenredpen, can you find this sum s= cos(x)+a*cos(2x)+a^2*cos(3x)+...+a^(n-1)*cos(nx).
@sardarbekomurbekov1030
@sardarbekomurbekov1030 6 лет назад
Black Chain rule Red Chain rule!
@TheGeneralThings
@TheGeneralThings 6 лет назад
*Black Chen Lu Red Chen Lu
@sabriath
@sabriath 6 лет назад
And the third way.... y = (3x+1)^(1/2) y^2 = 3x+1 derive 2y*dy/dx = 3 dy/dx = 3/(2y) dy/dx = 3/(2*(3x+1)^(1/2)) Personally I like the expanded form because then I can see if I missed anything.
@Absilicon
@Absilicon 6 лет назад
Wow I didn't know you could differentiate that equation with first principle. This was a great video.
@martind2520
@martind2520 6 лет назад
If a function can't be differentiated from first principles then it can't be differentiated.
@Absilicon
@Absilicon 6 лет назад
Martin D , I'll keep that in mind
@ajiwibowo8736
@ajiwibowo8736 6 лет назад
In the next video please explain what is converge and diverge, and how can we know a series is converge or diverge?
@snejpu2508
@snejpu2508 6 лет назад
I'm in your video, YAY!!! So satisfying. : ) Thanks, man. Nice CHEN LU.
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 6 лет назад
Snejpu yup!!!! Yay!!!!!
@MartialRibault
@MartialRibault 6 лет назад
[f(x)]^2 = 3x+1 2f.f' = 3 (Derivation) f'=3/(2f)
@bipinmaurya3824
@bipinmaurya3824 5 лет назад
You are my Einstein of calculas
@enginerdmath
@enginerdmath 6 лет назад
Great video!
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 6 лет назад
jayson zamora yay
@Xponent-nb3he
@Xponent-nb3he Месяц назад
the more I watch his videos the more I want a gigantic white board on my wall
@Galileo2pi
@Galileo2pi 6 лет назад
I love it, it is very useful for kids, keep it up mate, OOO
@cicciobombo7496
@cicciobombo7496 6 лет назад
If you're learning the chain rule you might wanna watch the episode of "essence of calculus - 3b1b" about it. Really intuitive(as always)
@afihaileywibowo1095
@afihaileywibowo1095 5 лет назад
Do we always put f(x+h) - f(x)/h to find the derivative? Thanks.
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 5 лет назад
yes
@afihaileywibowo1095
@afihaileywibowo1095 5 лет назад
@@blackpenredpen thank you
@callumvoh
@callumvoh 3 года назад
great channel with excellent explanations, Love it!
@mikeschieffer2644
@mikeschieffer2644 6 лет назад
How do you use the limit definition of derivative (which you used in the first part of the video) to find the derivative of x^(2/3)? I keep getting stuck. Thanks!
@MartialRibault
@MartialRibault 6 лет назад
Mike Schieffer Use the identity : a^3-b^3 = (a-b)(a^2+ab+b^2) Replace a and b with (x+h)^(2/3) and x^(2/3).
@mikeschieffer2644
@mikeschieffer2644 6 лет назад
Thank you Martial Ribault! #blackpenredpen made a video that uses your suggestion. See it at ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-PDXUg0btWuY.html
@yogevsimonovich5887
@yogevsimonovich5887 6 лет назад
Love your vids!!!
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 6 лет назад
Yogev Simonovich thanks
@youssefsahraoui4802
@youssefsahraoui4802 3 года назад
Consider this like a composite of functions f•g ?? f(x)=x^1/2 and g(x)=3x+1
@punditgi
@punditgi Год назад
Thanks for this very helpful video!
@KingGisInDaHouse
@KingGisInDaHouse 3 года назад
that limit problem is hella easier if you do the difference quotient in respect to y. dy/dx=lim k->0 k/(x(y+k)-x(y)). x=(y^2-1)/3
@mikeheyburn9716
@mikeheyburn9716 Год назад
Love your videos and think you do a great job.
@NuruGebyehu
@NuruGebyehu 9 месяцев назад
Young are a brave lecture. Please do applied mathimathics?
@NuruGebyehu
@NuruGebyehu 9 месяцев назад
Calculus 2
@VaradMahashabde
@VaradMahashabde 6 лет назад
How can you NOT like the power rule?
@lx4half751
@lx4half751 6 лет назад
Bah, power rule is for lazy people who have better things to do with their time than derivatives of functions, like running, drinking or watching RU-vid videos (as _ridiculous_ as that sounds!!!). A true mathematician will remain true to their craft, and stay locked indoors at a desk doing all of their derivative calculations from 1st principles.
@Idran
@Idran 6 лет назад
Bah right back, the limit definition is far from first principles. Prove it using a set-theoretic approach to calculus each time, I say!
@Alians0108
@Alians0108 5 лет назад
@@lx4half751 Yeah! I use the definition every question. Not sure why I run out of time after the second question, though.
@goncalofreitas2094
@goncalofreitas2094 6 лет назад
Thanks a lot! This is a very good video!
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 6 лет назад
Gonçalo Freitas my pleasure!!!
@yge1035
@yge1035 6 лет назад
Can someone please explain why the defention of the derivative is the definition of the derivative?
@bjornfeuerbacher5514
@bjornfeuerbacher5514 2 года назад
The derivative is defined to be the slope of the tangent line. And you get the slope of the tangent line as the limit of the slope of all the secants going through the point (x,(f(x)). And if the second point of the secant has the coordinates (x+h,f(x+h)), you get that its slope is given by ( f(x+h) - f(x) ) / h.
@donwald3436
@donwald3436 Год назад
Chen Lu for President! Nobody would be better than the last two lol.
@m_riatik
@m_riatik 6 лет назад
i think you need a new black pen
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 6 лет назад
MatrixWolf yea....
@hklausen
@hklausen 6 лет назад
That was nice for me get this refreshed :-)
@pedrocusinato02
@pedrocusinato02 6 лет назад
Hey, I have a question. Can I drive with respect to n a function of x derived n times?
@JJPMaster
@JJPMaster 4 года назад
idk
@muslimahtutoress266
@muslimahtutoress266 3 года назад
Great video
@astroboy42069
@astroboy42069 6 лет назад
Wonderful video blackpenredpen! I have a question for you, which country do you come from? I come from Hong Kong!
@wristdisabledwriter2893
@wristdisabledwriter2893 5 лет назад
I love the lim definition
@frixz__
@frixz__ 6 лет назад
love your videos, wish you were my teacher!!!!
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 6 лет назад
Bernardo Fricks thank you!!! And well, I am, on YT :)
@abbesmohammedzoheir8515
@abbesmohammedzoheir8515 6 лет назад
blackpenredpen what are the best books in mathematics for college student
@jacobsmusic4186
@jacobsmusic4186 6 лет назад
My school only taught me how to use the rules but never learnt about the definition of a derivative...
@veaucer7364
@veaucer7364 6 лет назад
Yo ! I love your video dude, can you integrate (1/a)arctanx(1/x) ? thank you ^_^ the answer is (1/a)(arctanx)(x/a) "normally"
@soumyachandrakar9100
@soumyachandrakar9100 6 лет назад
YaY!... Chen lu..
@davidbrisbane7206
@davidbrisbane7206 Год назад
The chain (gang) rule is do what the boss tells you to do. Pretty much like the rules of calculus.
@carviryzen288
@carviryzen288 5 лет назад
Can you explain when to use the chain rule?
@OonHan
@OonHan 6 лет назад
hi!
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 6 лет назад
Oon Han yay
@MarcoYeungChannel
@MarcoYeungChannel 6 лет назад
Sorry for off-topic, may i ask something silly 😂 - do you know chinese? 😂
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 6 лет назад
Marco Yeung Yes, I do.
@valeriobertoncello1809
@valeriobertoncello1809 5 лет назад
He's from Taiwan I believe
@azice6034
@azice6034 6 лет назад
Can you evaluate (i^i+1/i^i)^(1/i)?
@notspaso6644
@notspaso6644 6 лет назад
Great video as always! Are you going to do any number theory video soon? #YAY
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 6 лет назад
SpikePowerHD I will try. My mind has been all over the places lately...
@notspaso6644
@notspaso6644 6 лет назад
blackpenredpen thanks anyway, I don't want to stress you don't worry! :)
@lucasdepetris5896
@lucasdepetris5896 6 лет назад
Help!! I want to contact blackpenredpen to send him a tricky integral but I dont know his email
@Flanlaina
@Flanlaina 4 года назад
#yay use the Chen Lu!
@andyszlamp2212
@andyszlamp2212 Год назад
Use the Chen Lu!
@karstenmeinders4844
@karstenmeinders4844 6 лет назад
A link to a proof of the chain rule is missing... or will there be a new video?
@Hobbit183
@Hobbit183 6 лет назад
Back in black!
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 6 лет назад
Yup!
@damianmatma708
@damianmatma708 4 года назад
00:04 and 00:24 - What is the name of this font?
@codegurt5165
@codegurt5165 6 лет назад
pre-calc Mean Value Theorem = calc Chain Rule. NICE
@3420undertaker
@3420undertaker 6 лет назад
anybody recommend any good books on calc
@azice6034
@azice6034 6 лет назад
Mike Onega James Stewart has the best books on calc in my opinion
@TheGeneralThings
@TheGeneralThings 6 лет назад
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@MarkAlarmTV
@MarkAlarmTV 6 лет назад
where was this when i was learning it #yay
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 6 лет назад
MiniMawile303 aww. But it's here :)
@animalfarm7467
@animalfarm7467 6 лет назад
It's always interesting to see someone working from first principles. Maybe a better explanation of where the 3 come from in your second method for dummies like me; if the function within a function is not considered, then you have not found dy/dx but dy/d(3x+1). To find dy/dx: dy/dx=dy/d(3x+1)*d(3x+1)/dx. One can then legitimately cancel out the d(3x+1)s. Just a thought.
@filip-kochan
@filip-kochan 5 лет назад
Use the chen lu!!
@VaradMahashabde
@VaradMahashabde 6 лет назад
How can we generalize the chain rule
@ismaneox
@ismaneox 6 лет назад
If you have got f(g(x)) the derivative = f'(g(x)) • g'(x)
@erikkjellberg4806
@erikkjellberg4806 6 лет назад
If we have the function y(u) and u is a function of x, The derivative y' = y'(u)*u'
@VaradMahashabde
@VaradMahashabde 6 лет назад
Djdjcjcjcj Jfnfjfidnf Thanks man. Realises just that two minutes after posting tho ;)
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 6 лет назад
I may do a proof later on.
@titan1235813
@titan1235813 6 лет назад
blackpenredpen, YAAAY!!
@titouanvasnier2347
@titouanvasnier2347 6 лет назад
What is the chain rule ?
@xaxuser5033
@xaxuser5033 6 лет назад
Yeeeeeeh!
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 6 лет назад
Yay!!!!!
@xaxuser5033
@xaxuser5033 6 лет назад
blackpenredpen pliiiiiiz if u re reading this do an explanation of the 6th question in the mathematical Olympiad 1988 cz i don t know if it was interesting pliiiiiizzzzz
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 6 лет назад
It's a very hard problem and I am not 100% sure on how to solve it. Sorry.
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@rehmmyteon5016 5 лет назад
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@AronHardemanGoogle 6 лет назад
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@BonFireSale
@BonFireSale 6 лет назад
Chen-Lu
@SebastienPatriote
@SebastienPatriote 5 лет назад
It shows us that we need the chain rull but it does not tell us why other than "if you don't it's a wrong answer".
@futfan9092
@futfan9092 6 лет назад
Blackpenredpen #yay!!!
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@blackpenredpen 6 лет назад
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@csanadtemesvari9251
@csanadtemesvari9251 6 лет назад
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@aashsyed1277
@aashsyed1277 3 года назад
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@Gogogadget1122
@Gogogadget1122 6 лет назад
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@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 6 лет назад
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@antiantiderivative
@antiantiderivative 6 лет назад
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@blackpenredpen 6 лет назад
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@theodoremaximillanjonathan41 6 лет назад
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@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 6 лет назад
Theodore Jonathan : )
@afihaileywibowo1095
@afihaileywibowo1095 5 лет назад
#yay🙏 thank you
@coreyleander7911
@coreyleander7911 6 лет назад
Are you graduate student?? If so, what is your area of research?
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@medpop459 6 лет назад
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@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 6 лет назад
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@chupetaparabose1 6 лет назад
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@naritamihaela4194 6 лет назад
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@educationofgod2329
@educationofgod2329 3 года назад
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@itsallmathematics2608 3 года назад
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@jadewolf3416 6 лет назад
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@kimchikoalaa714 6 лет назад
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@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 6 лет назад
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@TheWizard856
@TheWizard856 2 года назад
Real men use the definition of derivative.
@StraightThread
@StraightThread 6 лет назад
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@blackpenredpen 6 лет назад
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@blackpenredpen 6 лет назад
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@BlazingBrinex
@BlazingBrinex 6 лет назад
wait so all this time I been sitting on my damm table play with derivative and actually create a chain rule for derivative without even know it even existed. I'm must be Jesus \●_●/
@Vkay47
@Vkay47 6 лет назад
That's not a good way to make students understand , try using composition of functions instead. Btw you're doing a good job .
@tnov314
@tnov314 6 лет назад
Yaaay
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@admink8662 6 лет назад
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@jawadtahiri4664 6 лет назад
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@gregoriousmaths266
@gregoriousmaths266 4 года назад
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@blackpenredpen 4 года назад
Yes! The most powerful lu ever!!!
@mathematicstvc6000
@mathematicstvc6000 6 лет назад
Hi
@romanbykov5922
@romanbykov5922 6 лет назад
still not really clear why you have to take the derivative of the inside, if you already took the derivative of the whole thing
@sruelle1
@sruelle1 6 лет назад
Roman Bykov You can also demonstate it with linear composite functions, try an example with f(x)=ax+b and g(x)=cx+d then find f(g(x)) and examine the slope.
@mateuszd5338
@mateuszd5338 6 лет назад
YaY
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@blackpenredpen 6 лет назад
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@Amine-gz7gq 2 года назад
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@Ready4Music 6 лет назад
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@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 6 лет назад
yup
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@user-br5pc2sh4h 6 лет назад
#yay You haven't answered the question about your age!
@alexismandelias
@alexismandelias 6 лет назад
Αντε γεια ti se endiaferei lol
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 6 лет назад
Coming soon since my bday is coming soon.
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@dikucgensokar2128 6 лет назад
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Shiv Bhatia ok. Just this time tho. So that other ppl will have a chance too. :)
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