CHANGE YOUR MIND Leftist Student Returns To Debate Destiny 

I like her. She's hot.

what a snake. I'm praying that she's just EXTREMELY tunnel visioned/ ignorant, and isn't intentionally this way. if she is intentional, I can only barely fathom the amount of enemies she makes.

49:13 literally not just the mixed students but the actual full white students. She's acting like the white students wouldn't feel uninvited, when they were literally uninvited.

Mixed White people are always tested to see if they're too Whitewashed which is often the case that they are more distanced from their minority side. So those types of assimilated mixed ppl and White ppl would be unwelcome in that POC meeting UNLESS they specifically wanted it open to all for open discussion. But what's so wrong about asking White students to skip out on campus that day? The point is also that they experience a FRACTION of what poc have experienced under White government and it's a way for the institution to show they are conscious and contrite of their past. I wouldn't care lol it's a free day to skip school.

@@niccolom4556 because it's racist to pressure a race of people to leave a place. How is this not getting through to you, it's as simple and plain as telling black people they aren't welcome at a restaurant. Shit is wrong. Period.

Exactly! I'm mixed, but am definitely white-passing, if you were to see my sister she looks like a stereotypical mixed person, we would have two completely different experiences as being mixed

Yeah, i thought it was well established that a lot of mixed people can often feel alienated from either or both backgrounds. For a plethora of reasons.

She’s never met a black person who is mixed growing up In a poor black neighbourhood. They’re treated VERY differently.

In world war 2, some mixed people passed as white and got treated differently than other POC (darker skinned) who were in the military. This is common knowledge lol

@@lustrazor44 yeah colorism is the key word here

It was a bold strategy she employed. Here's my argument, but here are the documents that disprove everything im going to say. Let's see how that works out

@@rynethorup5690 perhaps she’s a secret conservative employed to make the left look bad 🤪

Reading a paper someone throws at you is an instant win because typically extreme claims from single papers: 1. Are made up to sell the title and the authors waffle in the discussion section to avoid admitting they can't prove it, or 2. Are possibly legitimate but vastly overreaching based on the data/facts provided (usually politically charged subjects), or 3. Are never actually made in the paper because the person linking it only read the abstract, or 4. Can be disproven by a close reading of the paper itself (usually if it was not peer reviewed or is a pre-publication). The real trouble comes when "science news" or pop science magazines start republishing the claims as if they are fact, and people just cite the newsie's misreading of the paper instead...

@@Bingo_Bango_ 5. shut up

@@chigwom7894 Make me, nerd

I don't know what you mean by 'people' 'admit' 'wrong' or what 'important' has to do with anything. - Her

@@JRuni0r Best characterization of her in these comments lol

+ She's a woman. That's a hard goal you're looking for here.

she really disappointed me. i thought she carried herself very well in the first debate. but the whole mixed person conversation left me perplexed. I can't tell if she's just dumb or if she was being incredibly disagreeable.

@@Kevinschart I think she was being VERY intellectually dishonest, as a product of her horrible political views.

his favorite time considering he loves everything everywhere all at once

She just kept going back to saying he supports phrenology with no proof.

I actually don’t see it as a debate as much as a group project

indeed

There’s literally hours of footage that the students uploaded themselves this girl can watch instead of trying to water everything down instead of engaging in a debate.

as much as my facetious self agrees, my rational self cant help but recognize that the premiums we pay on higher education aren't worth the money. in fact, not spending that money would do more good than paying for such an "education."

@@AlexanderTheGoodEnough I would call that a sound hypothesis

She linked documents to Destiny that she apparently didn't read beyond the first paragraph. Classic.

@@AlexanderTheGoodEnough It depends on the education. This girl probably went for something stupid relating to sociology or something similar lmao. I think going for something in the medical field, engineering, computer science etc. would do A LOT of good for the average person and worth the money if you're willing to put in the extremely hard work. Mostly because those degrees are OBJECTIVELY harder on average.

@@justinpurcell3717 agreed. Anything that requires effort and perseverance will filter out these retahded woke zombies

its insane that these ideas were acted on in the first place.

She doesn't have to though. There's no benefit to do so, and no penalty to not do so.

@@ronswanson1410 Clout.

She clearly didn’t watch any of the documentary that has so much video evidence of how hostile this event was. She constantly demands evidence and I wish Destiny would have linked her the documentary and told her to watch it and get back to him. If she can defend her position after watching all of the footage of how insane the students and the organizer were then she is just arguing from pure bias and spite.

People are turning ideas into religion, that's the problem. Ideas are discussed, faith It's set in stone and your only choices are believing in It or not. She's clearly faithfull in her position, so you there's literally nothing you can say to change her mind. The majority of the woke simply has chosen to believe that they are right without any evidence that proves their points, and that basically sums up the entirety of this "New Faith" of the Education System.

I noticed that in part one too. For some reason people didn't catch on to it as much in part one, people were saying she did well when her arguments were just as poor as they were in this one

@@ParistonHxH when you speak with confidence you can mask a lot of stupid shit that you’re saying

@@ParistonHxH she refuses to concede on the most reasonable and inconsequential points. It’s so fucking annoying

It's not the first time I've seen that behavior from some Destiny's debating

@@ParistonHxH it's because in this video we can't see her face so the coomer brain isn't activated

She should run for a political office. Perfect

I've seem literal rocks being more flexible than this kid's head.I respect Destiny for trying, but I don't think he can save this one even If he could use TNT on the backside of her skull and insert the data right into her brain cells. One must want to understand an argument to assimilate an idea, and she is clearly too deep into her "inner world" to pay attention to his points.

You haven't heard of Vaush then?

A rock would of moved quicker than her

Hence proof that wokeness has gone too far. It's so delusional that it will deny reality. Moral of the story is no matter how well spoken and articulate one may be, they can still easily live in delusion.

Nailed it

She's a kid.

@@joecbraun She is old enough to know better.

@@happydeathfish2166 lol exactly. Why people are willing to be so charitable when she would never return the favor, I’m sure I don’t know

that much is obvious. as a right-winger the woke dogma is a huge threat to future dialogue. It's not now that we have to worry about, it's gonna be the next generations suffering the consequences of the ideological conformity forced onto people by external pressures. This isn't to say i'm unbiased, it poses a threat to conservative ideology. that much is true - but even more so it poses a threat to any and all dialogue that isn't in-line with whatever the mainstream progressive/leftist take is.

But when it is convenient to her point then it is obviously a cup lol

@@joseluizpereirafilho7222 destiny should've applied the same level of skepticism that she gave him.

💀💀💀 so aggravating

As a wise man once said, "it depends what your definition of 'is' is"

😂that’s exactly how this went.

@@taylor_o 🤣

@@taylor_o "Is" isn't "is not"

I don’t think she’s bad faith or actively dishonest. She’s just extremely debate bro and an expert in mental gymnastics and a naturally stubborn personality that leads to her not conceding on even the most obvious points in the world.

@@meltedsnowman9637 pretty sure what you described is called bad faith.

@@orion00 As in it’s not intentional dishonesty is my point.

@@meltedsnowman9637 I see your point. This is venturing into speculation but I feel like she knows she's wrong but sticks to her points despite this knowledge and that makes it arguably, dishonest. Maybe it's just pride or stubbornness but somewhere in there, I suspect that she realizes she's incorrect.

Im so sorry for any man that agrees to date her

@@joseluizpereirafilho7222 she probably loves destiny cause he destroys her every point, she'll keep coming back

women amiright

it's pretty normal unfortunately

@@distributistsshrekvideo stop

If you’re saying she’s smart. Yeah she’s smart. (I haven’t watched this yet but she impaled Destiny on Hitchen’s razor the first time.)

@@tethergobrrr that’s not at all what I’m saying lol

Tbf what do you think destiny now vs destiny at this person’s age would look like. Like would young destiny budge or just dig in. I always wondered that since his views changed so much. I think it’s a sign of intelligence that your perspective changes as you do homework but this person is pretty young, no? Haven’t watched the video because I’m reading Anna Karenina and smoking tobacco out of a pipe, probably won’t.

@@sams7068 is this a serious response? lol

Leo is 100

@@sams7068 What is 40 yr old destiny going to think of the current aged destiny?

And after being educated (getting the homework done for you), she still plays dumb to not give up the conclusion she started with.

Sadly a lot of people rather fight for their ego then the truth.

She wants to make her biases reality. If she wanted to be right she would adjust her bias to reality as she learns.

Didn't she say she is 23?

Fuck im 19 and i can see the clear answer here i disagree with her and could probably fight her battle better she upholds these values seemly only for social reasons and its gross

She's 23 ...

She's not 19 but even if she were. I've NEVER argued with this amount of bad faith in my entire life. This has nothing to do with smugness in how much you think you know about the world. It's plain dishonesty and inability to concede your glaring mistakes.

Ironic that she’s actually 23 but you smugly think you you know what you’re talking about when you clearly don’t.

She'll make a fine streamer🎉

It is all too prevalent these days and it is seemingly being propagated or at least fostered by universities. I actually fear the impact this is going to have on the US in another decade. It is so frustrating how so much of the left don't believe they can go too far.

shes playful dimwit

@@tango31313 She would crash and burn before take-off. Even people who agree don’t like people who pretend to engage to this degree.

@@YvesPixie yeah sure. That's what you think is playful

It’s really, in a nutshell, just extreme narcissism. Just listen to her attitude toward Brett being a professor of anthropology and evo biology for like 15 years she’s like “yeah… I’m willing to grant he might know some things, possibly”- what an arrogant pos

I'm not kidding when i say this but i feel like i was right there with you drowning

Oh man im barely into the first quarter and Im about to jump off a bridge.

@@raymondh5456 im 60% through and im literally laughing out loud

Thank you kind soul for this warning I am like 3 mins into her dancing round the questions in the last quarter and now I know I can just watch something else rather than listen to this pain

YOU GOT THAT FAR? BREH I DROWNED IN THE FIRST 8 MINUTES

Because they felt unequip to. The question is why would you converse with someone as skilled as Destiny uninformed and uncomfortable to answer questions on the topic you are bringing? It shows something akin to narcissism or arrogance.

Her also: what do you mean by '+' ?

🎯🎯🎯🎯

it's the definition of someone with an absolute opinion.

Bruh she straight up did not even acknowledge the fact that there footage of outright riots on campus

Lol a leftist

More importantly, why does she get invited back when she has proven that she's unwilling to engage with any of his questions that might prove her wrong? The last part where she avoided every single question was beyond ridiculous, it really was like a comedy act. There was one question Destiny repeated 3 times and she still didn't provide a response. What's the point in having a discussion if you are deliberately avoiding to engage with it?

Of course, everything is filmed. Reality TV effect, it's already difficult for most human to admit they were wrong one on one. Imagine when thousands judges observe.

Lav will say that and she gets bashed for it so I understand why people don't admit to being wrong.

@@fifiadan be strong, be wrong

Well, to some extent, reality doesn’t require your ideas map onto it to survive. You can go through life thinking the earth is flat and you will have a job, a family, be able to eat food, have sex, reproduce and survive. Keeping this in mind, the internet has provided people with many different “viable” realities to exist in without it being detrimental to their well being or health. The times this doesn’t come into play is when your mapping effects your health, such as thinking in your reality you don’t need to eat. You can act that out and find out very quickly it’s not accurate and won’t work. Whereas in this case, you can believe any of it and it won’t actually matter.

This is what happens when people really buy in hard to that idea that all of their opposition is always acting/arguing in bad faith. It really annoys me when leftists say that because it is rarely true and they mostly only say it because they are lazy and don't want to do the work to answer legitimate questions posed by the right. That isn't to say there aren't bad faith actors who are a waste of time to talk to, its just that if you treat everyone who disagrees with you like that just to avoid the maybe 5% who actually are like that then you end up alienating a ton of people who could have been swayed if you just took their concerns seriously and answered questions. It took me so long to start coming around to what progressives had to say because I ran into this kind of attitude so often.

We don't even have to use the social pressure as an good example for this one specific case (not to say if it was just social pressure but the controversy never happen that is acceptable either). She kept saying how can destiny justify that they were requiring people to leave campus that day? Because when one dude made vocal objection, he was mobbed. Thats how we know. Because of the damn controversy itself and the student reaction. Jesus it's the whole reason it's an example.

True, science from Brett’s side was obviously going to be the worst interpretation. But securing absence from students by teachers was completely innocuous and voluntary.

@@MADDcartman not voluntary for all if required for class credit. And it didn't matter if It was technically voluntary , because when one member of faculty was vocally opposed he was mobbed and had students looking for him with bats. Even if R. Love meant it as innocently the student body obviously didn't interpret it that way

@@thomaswalmsley8959 sarcasm not detected, unfort

it is actually more of a cyan lol

What do you mean by blue though lol ? How do you define sky ?

I wouldn't say it was blue. I think we're talking past each other. Okay but the big hot circle thing in the middle is yellow right, is that not part of the sky? *smug voice* Yeah but at night it's dark and it's hard to tell what colour it is. I feel like you're giving the most uncharitable description of the sky imaginable!!!

She had an answer but didn't even attempt to give it. Answering his question would reveal how stupid her position from a minute earlier was, that's why she doesn't want to answer it. I'll never understand why people don't just bite the bullet to get it over with instead of humiliating themselves like this for far longer than necessary.

Personally I dont think she actually even necessarily has a strong personal attatchment to her own argument. I get the feeling that she really just wanted to debate destiny moreso and see if she could win. No proof of this, its just the feeling i get from her that shes smart enough to know whats wrong with her side of the argument but just wanted to try going at it with destiny to see how shed fare.

@@Char...... Of course her experiencing cognitive dissonance would be the most likely/obvious conclusion. Like I said in my original comment it's just the feeling I come away with based on my personal judgement of people, and I have no proof of it nor am I trying to convince anyone that its correct. Just felt like sharing my perspective

Stalin and Mao would be proud.

@@antiform47 The problem with “smart people” is that they are very good at arguing themselves into bad positions and remain believing in them. Being able to admit you’re wrong is NOT associated with intelligence, it’s something else entirely.

@@mrmr2488 Not sure what it has to do with my comment but yeah I generally agree

Very good take. It is hard remaining this charitable but it definitely is the correct perspective.

nah she knows better, its the Vaush-syndrome, they know when they are being deceitful and justify it as they are the goodguys trying to get their ideology to win, so that any lie and any tactic is on the table.

Its like Kyle Rittenhouse. It's a baseline litmus test.

@@humpyloaddart she probably doesnt even put the damn grocery cart back after using it

@@samuraidog1510 Great observation narcateer.

@@humpyloaddart SKIDDLY WOOP WOOP WOOP Ma'am that's not where the cart goes

That’s because she has to be right. She prepped for this to try and prove what he said wrong instead of having a true convo

I mean her lack of ability to grasp that when these people say "its not mandatory" what they mean is "Do it or you'll be sorry"...submitting to that dynamic only makes the aggressor more aggressive.

@@davenunyabusiness4893 I don't know how Destiny didn't just pull up the clips of the kids literally holding the dean and other white faculty hostage while they berated them with crazy demands. Non-zero social pressure... lmao

@@Jim-km1xt Yeah but do you have written and signed letters (with video footage showing them writing said letters) from every single student stating the reasons they were holding facility hostage? Along with brain scans taken from qualified neuroscientists who were monitoring students at the same time to make sure their actions weren't being influenced by mind altering chemicals and/or alien telepathy? Probably not huh, the burden of proof is on you bro.

@@jamesbarnett6772 Damn it. You got me there lol

You're correct.

It’s so infuriating when she says “do you have any proof white people were pressured?” And Destiny responds saying “then why were they protesting him?” And she then claims Brett was lying and exaggerating everything and that it didn’t happen. AS IF WE DONT HAVE VIDEO EVIDENCE THAT THIS HAPPENED. If not for the videos this story would not have made national news

After listening to numerous debates from destiny and the debate bro clans, I realized some of this people don't even believe what they say and are asked to assume a position of a caricature of some woke sjw progressive.

@@giovalladares1022 oh my, yes! I don't know why he didn't hammer down on this point harder. Bret's main issue was that white people were being asked to leave campus, if his reading of the situation was wrong then why would it cause such a huge protest/riot?

@@nnamdiphilip3011 you're absolutely right. And sadly it's not even just online people. From talking with a lot of friends of mine it's become clear that when they hear someone they trust say something, they instantly assume it to be true and it becomes almost impossible to move them from that position, even with hard evidence.

Lefties can get away with this on some social controversies (re: eternal and unavoidable wall of lies on Rittenhouse or Sandmann and so on), but the abuse at Evergreen State and abuse of Bret Weinstein is so thoroughly leaked & documented it's nearly impossible to rewrite history on it. Trying to do this again while Destiny has ready access to a web browser & chat is absolute madness. I hope Destiny's work on this helps reform at least some of these nuisances so they can stop generating more free right-wing martyrs for conservatives to rally around.

Dont think it was a maturity issue, just straight up arrogance. She knows if she concedes the debate she has to admit to herself that she is less intelligent than Destiny.

Their identities are deeply attached to their ideologies

It’s either that or getting absolutely nuked in university.

Ideology and Hollywood

@@bamwesty8158 and vice versa

I’m sure if there’s a girl in this video you don’t have to tell the incels in the RU-vid comments to imagine dating her

@@sams7068 ROFL that was solid gold.

I have dated women like this and it's exhausting.

You can probably thank her parents for that one.

Its an absolute nightmare. EVERYTHING is political. THERE IS NO FUN

Sauce?

Nah. Her own source destroyed her argument after Destiny read just a few emails in the email chain. She provided him with a source/details he wasn't aware of which then exposed major flaws in her argument. She simply cherry picked her info from specific and limited portions of the email - like when she says to just read the first paragraph of the first email out of many emails. It's pretty valuable to see where people get their information...

Nothing wrong with having a source to back up arguments. The problem comes when provided multiple sources of the no whites on campus day she tries to weasel out with a bad faith definition of mixed

They learn to look smart and feel smart. Not to actually get to the truth. It is all about appearances. That's why they gatekeep so much

Yeah. That dude is insufferable. She clearly learned everything she knows about debating from him. He always looks like he’s just emerging out of a drunken stupor as well.

i’m pretty sure she only did that to understand/refer to destiny’s stance

I don't understand how Sunday has an audience, the dude is Philip Seymour Hoffman's character from the movie "Happiness" in real life. (IDK if you've seen that movie, I don't recommend it... but I kinda do recommend it)

Juvenile seems to be her primary characteristic.

more like "RETARD MODE"

Damn dude lmao😂

Bro, the Dean was simply suggested to subject himself to ridicule and kneel to the will of his good faith students.

@@MADDcartman That’s true, he was free to leave at any time as long as he was given permission by the dozens of students keeping him there and willing to walk through an angry mob.

What does that have to do with what they were discussing here? They were talking about whether or not students would feel uncomfortable going to the workshops or not.

@@Theyungcity23 I should imagine students would feel very uncomfortable if the mob is taking hostages and patrolling the campus with weapons.

@@LordOfAllusion They were students patrolling with bats because the school had received terrorist threats from yt supremacists who did show up. This was way after the workshop so it has no bearing on what they ended up discussing in this video.

Ooh! Remind us again which suggestions he made? Unless it’s too much work, then no worries.

@@raymondh5456 the one that jumped out to me, was asking someone to place the confidence in their beliefs on a 1-5/1-10 scale.

@@raymondh5456 There were a few, which Destiny utilized exactly - like putting confidence about an assertion on a scale from 1 to 10, and asking what evidence would make them change their position on a statement. It's part of what Peter does on his channel about street epistemology each time.

@@raymondh5456 I forget what Destiny's chat with Peter was titled, it was from within the last few weeks tho, I think it was something like honest criticism or somethin.

He did but honestly it didn't move the conversation anywhere, she still avoided the questions. Although I think Destiny could have pushed harder to make her answer the confidence one.

They ABSOLUTELY kicked white people off of the campus.

I believe you, but could you elaborate?

@@sed4512 sure the context of the event wasn’t explicitly to kick white people off of campus, but students took it to the next level like that harvard jail experiment. I should probably give him a call before i talk about it in details cause its been a while but he never challenged Brets narrative.

Even in formal debates you have to be willing to agree to things that are obvious. She very stupidly assumes that agreeing with her opponent on anything means she’s lost the debate. It would have been so much more interesting for her to have taken theL and admitted that everything went down the way that Destiny said it did but then went on to make the argument that it didn’t go too far.

Lol this really made me remember why I hated those debates so much. They ACTIVELY discourage you from being honest about your arguments and to NEVER concede a point.

Hopefully her college kicks her out after this embarrassing example of why woman can’t drive

lol

@@Imthedrunk who are you?

Pretty girl not visible, girl words actually bad. >:(

@@Not_Qwake yeah, if she was ugly no one would even watch this shit or have any hopes

She is, she's just a little bit confused

She is, she’s just incredibly manipulative and bad faith.

I don't know what are his standards to say if someone is smart or not

She is smart. She is just very un-introspective when it comes to her world view. She feels like she knows so much about politics that she MUST be right about this issue and likely doesnt notice how bad faith she is being

@@joewesterland5697 a little push back on the "smart" thing. 1. She adamantly speaks on a topic she knows little of. Benjamin Boyce, who went to Evergreen at the time, did a 20+ episode doc, with receipts, that explained the whole event in detail. She knew so little about the events details. 2. Lack of edification. Her ability to follow/process simple rationality is lacking for a person her age. She gave no valid counters, and like destiny said, conceded to nothing. Intentionally or unintentionally, she acted in bad faith. This is intellectual stagnation not edification. Her close-mindedness doesn't seem very smart to me.

Yep, when your opponent on a debate can't concede on obvious things you know you are not getting anywhere. It is either they win or they will gaslight the shit out of you forever until you rage quit.

Yeah, I've never understood what is so bad about a gotcha? It seems to most people, they are always trying to persuade the audience to like them rather than understand their point of view. Whenever someone has thought they have gotcha'd me, my response is "yes, that's what I think".

I how love speaking know she doesn't focused like when Destiny sometimes does you know how?

I apologize on behalf of my people. People like to milk colonization for sympathy points. That being said I want the damn crown back lol

Thats fucked up dont think that's different than being in a workshop for college? People are not going to be checking tree and if someone who looks like Destiny is interested in the latino workshops no one would bat an eye. Most people wont even know each other.

@@Theyungcity23 most people who are racist typically don't know the other person, bud. And to say no one would bat an eye just because its a workshop feels disingenuous. I worked at a university for 6 years and I can guarantee you so many fucking students of color were racist as all hell. Again, I'm not trying to blanket everyone, I'm simply acknowledging a reality of the world we live in and that people can be terrible even in the most unassuming situations. Maybe you're correct and no one would discriminate in this particular workshop, but to say so definitively is just being willfully ignorant imo.

@@subaqueousReach My argument is in the context of the video where Destiny argues that the workshop will somehow prime people to anti white. Im saying that's not the case and it doesn't make sense because many people who are latino or Hispanic are white passing. You seem to be arguing that humans have the capacity to he racist. Yes but that doesn't engage with what Im saying.

Surely not

2:17?

@@G.Bfit.93 it's a timestamp in the video

You know Louis, when we told you to get out of New York, we didn't promise it would be perfect. Just better lol. But yeah, she came in with teeth bared and claws out

Yes, really bad start on his part, but the rest of the video kinda proved him right and i dont really think it was a self-fulfilling prophecy. But yes, not how you make friends in the first place.

She sounds like a toddler tryin to ask for an ak47

After hearing the first debate I had no hope😂she’s Brian washed. Like literally…..

She didn't even read her own documents lol

@@6ftmouse349 Yeah I missed the first one, and on reflection I'm not going back to watch it

It’s the same reason why environmentalism is a phenomenon that almost exclusively exists in rich western countries. You have to be rich to afford all of the activism.

Guilt maybe? I'm not sure.

how do you know it's a 10k bracelet? Way too many people wear reps now for you to assume that automatically.

As a poor person, I was pretty communist til I learned more about Econ and history

For all we know it's a family piece that gets passed down, or a gift. Maybe something to consider, but not something to take too seriously or get caught up on. For Hasan though.... Completely different story lul

The moment you catch someone being intellectually dishonest it's time to dip

There's no such thing as white passing

@@TheZumph im genuinely confused. don't you think someone like destiny is white passing even though he's technically mixed? what would you call someone who is not white but LOOKS white to most of society?

My experience with professors is that they either tried to be the cool professor (there’s one that reviews like playboi Carti on RU-vid that’s a good example of this, I haven’t seen him give a bad review to even trash albums) but limit your pushback for the chance of more students to be actively engaged, or one that’s like you’re describing who doesn’t care what the students think of them and are willing to get actively combative to make a point. There’s good and bad professors of each type and I think the based centrist opinion is a mix of both in the faculty. If it’s just kid glove professors just trying to draw students in (most of mine especially the first half of college), you get overconfidence but maybe passion and engagement, and vise versa, you may drive some kids away but you get more critical thinking from the less that are engaged. I am not an expert I am a moron with an undergrad degree but my personal anecdotal experiences all fit into those two categories, and like I said both can be good or bad professors with benefits and deficiencies. However one thing that each professor agreed on is that no serious debate should resort to ad home in ‘em attacks, and appeals to authority are for the trite sophists, and furthermore that slippery slope fallicies are a slippery slope.

@@sams7068 the professors themselves don’t even get pushback. College faculty are typically staffed by people who are ideologically left (some center left but most far left. There is no conservative representation in college). As a result, the ideas never experience any sort of challenge or pushback, nor do the teachers spouting these ideas. The smug character and hubris to think you are more enlightened than anyone else is coming directly from the professors. At least that’s how I view this whole situation. And on and on it goes. It will only get much worse with time. And then these people enter society.

@@D3ckstr Well my personal experience very recently going to college disproves the “no conservative representation thing.” I went to a fairly rural school, mainly because I got a good scholarship there, but also because of the quality of the teachers, and here were some of the individual political opinions: 1. A conservative Russian guy who survived living under the Soviet Union He got some pushback, but there wasn’t a single person in my class who claimed to be a communist and tried to convince him of it. Honestly the professor reminded me of Jordan Peterson in the way he constructed interesting ideas about society that cover multiple fields outside of his own specialization, and that’s where he mostly got pushback, since sometimes those ideas were based on broader claims than an expert on Russian foreign policy could reasonably make. Also, he invited us to push back against his ideas in essays. He graded papers both comprehensively and well that disagreed that Marxism inherently leads to some form of Stalinism, and ones that agreed. 2.A liberal guy who had two law degrees and worked in a government agency He got TONS of pushback. Since it was also a law class there were some conservatives who wanted to work as either a federal officer or a prosecuter something and they often made conservative points about governmental agencies to a guy that what clearly very intelligent. He defended his ideas very well yet didn’t make the class a liberal echo chamber, I mean the guy had worked with conservatives in real government, since he was working with a conservative administration to actually get policies to work. Other anecdotes (that don’t suggest a trend but at least show that this isn’t an all-encompassing trend): all my history professors (3 I think since I took them early on college out of interest and not a major) were conservative. One thought the nuking of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was warranted yet allowed for debate on that topic (that’s a pet issue of mine that kind of defines the bounds of my foreign policy, I think it wasn’t justified and I wasn’t quelled from discussion.) Geachers in Poly Sci seemed much more afraid of being cancelled for not being neutral and not lending credence to conservatism and liberalism as an ideology rather than the alternative. I only had one professor that was tbe berniebro cliche conservatives are thinking of, and my conservative roommate would debate with them one-on-one in office hours. So basically my claim here is that it really depends where you go. Mine was a liberal arts college where not all tbe professors were researchers and we weren’t in a large metropolitan area. I think not all professors even revealed their political ideology, and even if they did they were willing for people with different views to challenge them (and would challenge them back). I didn’t go to the school because it was describe as particularly conservative.

I really need me some sweaty Steven on Steven action

@@Rewwgh B.A.S.E.D.

@@Rewwgh Hell yeah

Does that mean that it will only take a few weeks or months until Vaush will do it too?🤔

@@ramigilneas9274 yes

She's absolutely disingenuous.

most progressives just say that without the fear of looking awful because it's what they actually believe

@@Vosk21 yeah, and this is exactly what he was criticizing. They are ok in discriminating whites and men and the "majority". Which is exactly what was done to the minorities in the past..

I don't always agree. Its good to have some people get interested, but when it comes to people like Sneako or Infra Haz, it would be better if they stayed away. They don't actually ever engage with anyone and just shout over people who contradict them, which just poisons conversations for everyone else. For Internet debates to have any value, the people talking have to have some actual desire to understand the other person and listen to what they're saying, even if it's just to refute it.

Sneako doesn't debate anymore though, not really. These days the moment people disagree with and call him out he gets pissy and just starts calling everyone bots stuck in the matrix. Then he gets progressively louder repeating the same exact thing until people simply dont want to talk to him anymore.

@@krombopulos_michael you’re wrong about Haz, right abt sneako. Haz has had debates that are so in depth, nuanced, and intelligent that I cannot think of a single destiny debate that can even compare.

i feel like we're going to see her again and again if she wishes to stay.. she will go on one of destiny's enemies' streams and they will commiserate about how evil destiny is, then she will pop up on one of the grift panels and annoy the shit out of someone, then a neutral arbiter will have her on to "figure out what she really thinks" then she will be back screeching at destiny, etc, rinse, repeat. it seems like it's actually kind of easy to fail upwards on twitch if you're willing to be the punching bag for a while.

@@RockPile_ christ I hope this is irony

yeah me too, he's really good in debating. It is nice to listen to him even when i don't agree.

Same bro. He debates in the way that I'm familiar with but he's much more sensitive than I would be in this situation. He allows for the constant pivots without sticking to a subject or demanding a definition like I would. She crossed just about every logical fallacy that I can think of and he allows her to do so in a very kind and persuasive way but firmly brings her back to the point when necessary. After having watched the original debate and this one, I'm at least a fan of what I've seen of his.

I'm getting older and more conservative but I really enjoy listening to this guy and having my beliefs challenged

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Part of her rational for that claim is the closing line of his proposed workshop alternative, "come in with an open mind". Like seriously wtf. Thats your evidence that something nefarious was being snuck in under the radar. (This happend in the 2nd stream they had, not this one).

@@thomaswalmsley8959 I don't understand what she imagines Bret was thinking. He was trying to trick the staff into lettin him say racist things so that... What? Even if he was a racist, he'd just get fired. How would that benefit him?

@@simongotborg3866 it's not thinking, it's literally the most basic form of epistemology, tribalism. I honestly don't think there's anything more complicated or nefarious for her when it comes to this topic at least.

good thing he is actually very good debating and don't fall into her traps easily. She is actually tough to debate because it is very easy to get lost and look dumb in the end by all her gaslighting

The best part was when she said it wasn't required. Then a couple minutes later they come across the email saying that like 14 professors were requiring it for class credit lol.

She a goofy, hopefully Destiny will post her address so mfs can show her what’s up, life or death shi

@@chigwom7894 Jesus dude wtf

@@thomaswalmsley8959 she playin to much

@@chigwom7894 yeah bit guess what, hoping to mob her is pretty hypocrital seeing as we're critiquing her because she's defending a mob. And just shitty. She made a bad argument. Doesn't mean she's a bad person

super sarcastic and arrogant

It's really sad that someone who is clearly extremely smart is so un-introspective about her own argumentation style.

Yea hopefully the college removes her she’s really embarrassing them

@@chigwom7894 Bit extreme lol

@@joewesterland5697 how? Please elaborate?

@@chigwom7894 Well, generally collages don't expel their students for doing badly in twitch debates.

yep, she is not debating. She just wants to win, and since she is in the wrong side of the argument she will try to make him tired by denying everything unyil he rage quits