Chaos Space Marines in Warhammer 40K 10th Edition - Full Index Rules, Datasheets + Launch Detachment 

I was coming here to post this. Bring a Master of Possessions and a Master of Executions, and they are going to scream up the board and absolutely body any characters they come across.

And is it a typo where it says Chosen can swap their BOLT PISTOL for a combi weapon?

Here is my question can the special ability of the unit also apply to the characters they are with. If I pair my warlord Fabius with a chosen squad he gives them +1 S +1 T (the strength buff is now meaningless due to the S being linked to the weapon on a side note) he can also ignore wounds once a turn. Can the chosen advance and charge with fabius and get those benefits? Its not clear and if they can't why would you link characters?

Can chosen charge out of a rhino after a normal move disembark? If so, does the SLA strat also allow this?

@@chaosgodcs I just came across this. It seems stupid for them for them to walk around with a bolter AND a combi-bolter, but it seems that it's possible, rules as written.

Too early bro, we all know Horus ONLY became a legend after Erebus taught him the truth! 😉🍻😂🥰

If it wasn't for that dang guardsman....

Yup - my thoughts exactly on this. Plus super-easy to remember - like having a pocket SM captain on every unit! So much for less re-rolls in this edition, I think it's totally the opposite now!

About damn time their rules came back!

Undivided daemon princes are back and I am so happy

I'm very excited, I really did not care for the "mere mortals" rule in 9th

Cultists are capped at 6 with battleline. Traitor Guard at 3, because they lack that keyword.

@@CMTechnica me, flooding the board with 120 cultists, causing my opponent to get up and leave as soon as the shooting phase starts

@@CMTechnica Still, you could flood the table with lot of bodies if you wield 120 cultists, 30 traitor guard ( plus possible few commissars and ogryns), 30 beastmen and 48 accursed cultists. Will have to wait the points to really know how viable that is...

The only chaos army with rights is abbadon, 5 bolt pistol and chainsword legionaries, and 120 blokes he picked up on the way to assault a heavily reinforced position. A logical step forwards from the csm boarding patrol and the pinnacle of skillful and talented list construction.

Yeah. We're worse in almost every aspect except melee.

We don't talk about Spikey Bits around here.

Looks like it.

Wow awesome spot - I just read that as fall back, shoot and charge like Tyranid Warriors. That's pretty great then - essentially gives all their weapons the Assault keyword as well as being able to charge - literally no need to ever not advance with them

I tend to do that with me Goffz too...

And don’t forget about is 5+ Khorne pact buff!!

Talisman replaces the 5+ buff, sadly

and with a exalted champion in the same unit +d3 S again and +1 hit so you can take the hammer and keep 2+

@@thornthallid950 no the talisman replace the +1A and S by +d3 if you make a dark pact. The "instead" is not for 5+ khorne

I know right I don’t see what the point of taking him is a demon prince is just better. He looks badass though

I was absolutely certain that Vashtorr, being almost a chaos god, would get the Lion glowup. Not necessarily Primarch level, and of course still more niche with vehicles, but never had I thought he would be WORSE than 9th. He wasn't picked because his abilities were bad, his damage were bad and he died easily. Now he has arguably worse abilities, dies even faster, and of course got hit by the fly nerf as well. Absolutely the biggest letdown of the index, and quite baffling that GW won't make him even somewhat viable so people buy the model. It's not exactly cheap for a single model, I'd assume GW would want people to buy him.

@@BreakerBeat his abilities are disgusting(but not in a good way). I'm hoping the Army of Renown rules gives him a crit hit on 4+ aura or something to make up for it.

yeah he is just a pile of shit pretty much .. at least could have given him some better AP in his hammer and maybe a choice of aura buffs to pick like increase str , or increase AP or + 1 to save for vehicles ... plus some durability more wouldn't have gone amiss Instead of seeing him debuff a vehicle with -1 attack , would have been far more lore friendly and fruity if they gave him , hack enemy vehicle for a phase with attacks or melee ...

I would argue that marks (if cheap) allow CSM a huge amount of customization for free. We can spike damage at will with pacts/marks and that's crazy strong. Fishing for damage was never this easy. A bit finnicky because we're layering rules here, but i'm living for the customization. All we need is a generic lord with flight who can go with raptors and my shivered black night lord heart will be satisfied.

@@MightyGachiman pacts have their own cost in backfiring, and marks will probably cost points - if they were free I'd agree with you, but it's like saying 'yeah but SM get oath of moment' These strats should be the same cost, because they're the same strat. they don't require balance

Tau have feel no pain 6+ as their stratagem. But I feel you. The nevrom lokust beat primarchs for 10x less points

Turns out marks are free my dude

There was a part in Angel Exterminatus where an iron hands squad with plasma and melta guns deploy out of a Rhino as a kind of "Primarch kill team" to try and kill Perturabo. I always though that's kind of what chosen are is a kill team with a specific mission. Still great models and everything. But four flamers or Melta guns was fun

They're basically chaos sternguard/vanguard mashed now. Which is still pretty flexible. I will miss splitting my shots though though :(

GW said "fuck combi weapons, theyre just too complicated and add too much bloat". But then added tons of other shit in other areas :/

@@James80312 It was the bitching and complaining fans who said it was too complex. GW with everything they are doing are just complying.

@@viewtifuljoe4412 Who even said that? Theyre the same plasma/melta/flamer profiles that are found elsewhere.

With an Abbadon reroll aura and Hellbrute buff on the side 😋

This plus mark of Nurgle, plus terminator sorc -1Ap bonus, plus Helbrute near by is a helluva dakka Also this may be a bug but through Helbrute, according to wording, you can get BOTH abilities exploding on 5+: >Nurgle havoc choose SH1 dark pact rule >It says if you chose SH1 rule all your crits are on 5+ >And now you get LH rule then from Helbrute aura Since all your crits are on unmodified 5+ due ability choice, your dakka also get autowound on 5+

I think their special rules aren't as good as the marine reroll charges and Evisceratos or skyclaws doing mortal wounds on the charge, But four plasma pistols is solid reliable extra damage

@@willlondon4964 I was thinking of going in with 4 plasma guns or 4 melta guns for some shenanigans. Even just dropping in with 4 flamers could be scary. Maybe not exactly competitive, but the mobility seems useful to me.

@@friendlytalbot4050 I think four flamers could be really useful for attacking your enemies home objective. As they are often poorly defended with a minimum strength unit and often in cover. Four meltas hiding behind a wall near an objective would really put of someone with a dreadnough or knight plodding towards it. Both good options IMO

@@willlondon4964 Exactly. Although I also had in mind of using plasma guns for mobile firepower, since they can drop within rapid fire range. But four flamers probably fulfil that role better. I just decided against that because I had already built a group of bikers with flamers for that exact purpose way back in 8th edition. 🤔

@@friendlytalbot4050 I think CSM have a lot of units that can have plasma, but not so many with a 12 inch move / deepstrike so I would be thinking what would make the most out of those abilities if I am taking Raptors. I always think what does this unit want to do and can another unit do it better? Say if you want anti infantry deepstrike and get the opponents objective you could take Tzeentch Flamers or Pink Horrors... Pink horrors have 4++ and split and higher OC so are more tanky. But flamers auto hit and ignore cover. Where as say 4 meltas moving 12 per turn you can't get somewhere else. If I'm thinking four plasma gun's to kill medium infantry would a Vindicator be better? Or a fast moving melee unit like warp talons who also get a 5++ or Blood crushers? Versatile units are versatile but they loose that bit of focus. I personally prefer each unit to have a specific focus or objective in the game. Because my first army was Biel tan aspect warriors back in 5th edition. I have generally found having a focus was better than versatility. Really long answer I know but hope that helps

Also good options for mortal chaff to drive to enemy gunlines...

Did some testing that's nasty af

Extra spice: put mark of Nurgle on the Land Raider and use Dark Obscuration on it so they can't be shot from outside 12 inches.

Then if you add the nurgle enhancement they are a bigger melee threat

I would love a Abbadon walking prince and hellbrute araus on three squads of havoks

I have the units to do this... thank you for the idea

I really like nurgle terminators idea with termi lord. U can cast CP0 dark obscuration to protect terminators. Sustained hit 5+ for nurgle dark pact is just incredible with combi-weapon. Also, with how lethal hits work, 3 venomcrawler & 3 forgefiend can fish with 72 dices without paying attention to enemy's toughness. It's retarded, but lascannon only hits around str12. It will be an uphill battle for chaos to get close to hit T12+ models. But It's just how csm works most of the time.

@@Dragonking1411 You can't add that with Abaddon, though.

Thousand Sons detachment rule already gives a choice of (Sustained Hits), (Lethal Hits) or (Devestating Wounds) army wide for no risk of mortal wounds.

@@DJCallidus He's not talking about Thousand Sons. He's talking about using the ability to ally in Rubric Marines in THIS army with THIS detachment. Also Thousand Son's detachment ability doesn't give boltguns those keywords, only PSYCHIC weapons.

yeah the way dark pacts is worded it just says heretic astartes get the ability and on the lost and damned rule it say that the cult marines become heretic astartes so it kinds of already reads like they should get it at least that's how I'd play them till an errata clarifies it

@@xlightingedgex It does not say that at all. It says if your Army Faction is Heretic Astartes, then each unit with the Dark Pact ability can use it. So you need Dark Pact on the datasheet, and it isn't for rubric, plague or berzerkers. Nowhere does it say being Heretic Astartes somehow grants you the Dark Pact ability. So using it on your Plague, Rubric or Berzerkers would be straight up cheating.

@@williampounds5191 Yeah my bad. I misunderstood the interaction. Could be due to CSMs having greater unit variety.

Do it!

Sure, at the cost of 3/4 of your list not having any army/detachment rules

I don’t think terminators are that good chosen are way better st least they updated the terminators to have a 4+ invul was five when they first released the index

@@davidcox6454 all depends on points - chosen are fine but Abaddon can lead terminators, give them all the marks including nurgle so they can't be shot and just have a really good time

Yep, waiting for this too

Gonna use the bigger ones as Death Guard Chaos Spawn or Beasts of Nurgle, myself.

Also Venomcrawler

Also Abbadon rerolls or 4++'s and walking prince -1 to hit

yea but having them limited to points like the strike force having max 500p of deamons in a CSM team surely will kill some of my list like my Disciples of Be'lakor which had 1200p of CSM and 800p of Deamons which isn't possible anymore and also you can't have a warlord from the daemonic pact and Be'lakor must be warlord that means he can't be taken with CSM anymore which shelfs my Disciples of Be'lakor army completly .

Agreed everything looks solid not having much weak or particularly strong just all solid. I do think chaos is viewed by GW as one faction now. So they expect you to consider taking a shooty knight or blood thirster if you want something big or Daemon flamers to attack your enemies home objective.

I think they do have access to all, as you only check for keyword in unit, not per model.

@@MarcinObuchowski - You are right. I reread the sentence: Each time a unit with one of these keywords makes a Dark Pact, it gains the associated benefit until the end of the phase. This actually has me thinking the unit Abby is leading gains ALL of the benefits for each Dark Pact, since he has all of the marks. Is there anything saying otherwise?

Havocs dont need a leader. Stick them backfield objective, dark pact for sustained hits and then either chaos undivided or mark of nurgle and have a good time. Could also stick either a chaincannon, bolter or autocannon squad in some terrain 3" minimum off the ground for +1 ap to their attacka

Yeah the lord discordant just isn’t really good anymore. Chaos seems vastly weaker than space marines in terms of abilities and data sheets and leaders.

Having options wouldnt hurt. Especially most of the time every csm hq can only join either Legionaries or Chosen.

@@cango8415 look at the other chaos legions terminators they are literally better in every way and the characters that can attach to them basically give them our detachment rules or just better abilities than our leaders. Without abbadon out terminators are just kind of sad compared to others. Abbadon is good but I don’t play black legion so I am not taking him and our terminators already get rerolls so his one good ability isn’t even useful on them. I thought they made these all st the same time I don’t get the disparity. Every other faction has cool abilities on their data sheets ours just seem really basic and tone me down I guess maybe because of dark pacts but all the other armies released so far can easily get those abilities as well so not sure what is special about chaos space marines

The current obliterators just recently came out (relatively for gw model refreshes)

They haven't said yet, maybe in the FAQ. Would prefer tzeentch and lethal on havoc heavy bolters. Or nurgle lascannons.

They make fantastic Proxys for Accursed Cultist though ! Just bought some

@@Oldboy82 interesting, though i would have loved if they where still with the DG. but using them as Accursed could be interesting.

i feel you , can't even built my disciplines of Be'lakor anymore .

Then run them with normal marine rules. That's basically what they are.

Rules as written it gains 1 new attack at the end of any phase in which it kills a model. Shooting, Fight, Overwatch, either players turn, one kill is one extra attack ANY phase. Note there are two Excruciator cannons, so one kill is 14 shots, two kills is 16 etc. Could add up fast!

Doesn't seem to have any restrictions in the index, and it says when it kills a unit...then no cap on up to 3 or 6, like it often does with mortal wounds having a max damage. I personally don't see any reason why the attacks don't stack up... I'm not being biased I don't even own a CSM army

Yep, I did mention it like minute or two after this video was posted...

We haven’t been given any indication any of the marks cost points. Unless the munitorum field manual says otherwise they should all be free. Looks like you select a mark for every unit you put in your army. So for each unit you choose any one of the 4 gods or the mark of chaos undivided. And you can mix and match marks across your army.