Chaos Space Marines Unit Tier List in Warhammer 40K 10th Edition - Strongest + Weakest Datasheets 

Why wouldn't Cultists do dark pacts? They have all the relevant Keywords, which also means that the borrowed units would have it, too.

Think he’s talking about cult marines, like plague marines, rather than cultists

@@wyatttyson7737 Just edited for a little clarity

Cult marines can use dark pacts. When using cult marines, they replace there faction keyword (Death Guard, Thousand Sons, World Eaters) with Heretic Astartes. This grants them Dark Pacts and lose their respected abilities (Nurgles Gift, Cabal of Sorcerers, Blessings of Khorne).

​​​@@ALunny nope, the dark pacts ability isn't granted by the "heretic astartes" tag, the heretic astartes tag just makes the ability work if dark pacts is already on the datasheet and they're your selected army, which it isn't for the cult marines (other than noise marines, obviously)

Nah, he is the Sigilite. These videos will just become the archives The Emperor eventually discovers/saves and uses as the basis for his Adeptus Astartes and why He knows of the fall of Horus.

Auspex Tactics: Please don't hail me as a god. Us viewers: We must hail him as a god!

Auspex is Malchador

Auspex is an STC programmed to generate content with extreme efficiency

so does that mean these videos are endless screams of unliving pain?

Bro's sleeping phase got nerfed in 10e

@@wikedexe3626truly

Already did.

"Take a nap! Take a nap Take a nap!!" - Maromi 🐶, Paranoia Agent (2004)

Please take a few days off! You are making videos 24/7

As an IW player, it brings a tear to my eye that it's finally our day in the sun! Not that we'll get any glory for it...

It’s great considering they have been awful since release.

He's 220 points. Even for the 9E version of him that'd be a bit much, but he's a shadow of his former capabilities just on the sheet let alone with points factored in too.

He used to be the Disco Lord Fisherman(because you fish for 6s) now he's just disgusting.

I am surprised he not a lone op near a vehicle

Disco Lord got done bloody dirty. Big points increase, plus only 4 attacks for the mainstay of his damage doesn't really cut it anymore, and as for utility, his strong abilities got replaced with very awkward-to-use niche effects. He still cuts up Marines like anyone else, but I think his fall from grace is a reflection on the fact that there are better, cheaper options in CSM to slam T4 2W models. If he got some kind of Aura like he had in 9th, he's probably be worth taking in Daemon Engine heavy lists, but as it stands, he's just a walking anti-tank target.

@@Harleqyin Aside from points and actual combat ability, he's got a huge deliverability problem too. The lack of Lone Operative (on its own or conditional like the Warpsmith) or a bodyguard unit just leave him so vulnerable. It's the same problem I have with the Daemon Princes, all 3 units are mediocre in ability, overcosted, and even if they *were* still scary they can just be nuked. Loved running Discolord with a Venomcrawler buddy to protect him in 9th, bring that back. Or hell, let him be the leader that can join Bikes. Not every table runs enough terrain to keep him from just getting caught out in the open and anything to mitigate that would be nice.

Heck yes! Me too, but I'm building World Eaters. I envy all of your options.

Yeah, to be fair in hindsight T2 might have been a better choice for them. I was a bit on the fence about them and Warp Talons

@@auspextactics I'd love Warptalons if they were 15-20 points cheaper, they actually kill stuff on objectives. But they're just at the edge of too expensive.

Talons are always hit or miss, it is hard for gw to pinpoint what they want, as of today the 5++ is overpriced

​@@auspextacticshow can I get my opponent to fall back to get use out of Warp Talons' warpflames?

I've always found that a unit of Raptors is a great meltagun delivery system.

Yeah, it's pretty silly when all the Daemon Engines have an even-strength statline, because the +1 can never give an increase to wound rate, excepting when fighting the occasional T7/9/11 targets, which arguably Daemon Engines don't want to fight anyway.

Why is GW so determined to try and make vashtorr an anti-tank beatstick when he should be a daemon-engine buffing machine? If they're going to make him uncompetitive, I'd rather they do him like Nagash from AoS: absurdly powerful but impractically expensive!

You can also do the same with a 5-man Possessed unit or a squad of Obliterators. CSM doesn't have a problem killing Knights with units that are better and cheaper than Vashtorr.

Given it's on it's own sprue, there is ZERO reason why they haven't.

@@JimH. You are forgetting corporate greed!

@@Harleqyin But why? GW makes no money from Ebay price gougers. If they released the MoP model they would sell a ton. In fact, it's their innate greed that makes it so puzzling.

@@JimH. Not at all, it's all part of FOMO, right? If they just sold every new model they released in boxes like, 2-3 months after, people wouldn't bother with box sets. By limiting these guys to more expensive boxes, they're better weaponising FOMO and pushing pre-orders.

Bro they did, are you blind?

Don’t want lethal on devestating wounds. Lethal hits 5+ auto wound so no wound rolls to get crits. No crits = no devestating wounds

On one hand giving your 3x Ectoplasma platform full reroll hits, sustained hits 1, lethal hits, 5+ crit hit, and optional DevW + Hazardous is pretty good, but that's a hell of a deathstar that'll struggle to play the mission. Just the listed units top 600pts and if you're taking Abbadon you're probably not leaving him naked so a Termie retinue is going to cost you another 185/390, that's up to half of your army at best footslogging to midfield hoping it's actually as invulnerable as it looks. The other option is to take Undivided Forgefiend, always reroll 1's to hit or get full rerolls to hit and wound for 1CP. As a singular unit it's not as strong certainly, but it's an investment of a flat 165pts compared to up to 990 and you don't have the tactical cost of needing to maintain an Abby cuddle-puddle and deciding which piece of your combo gets Cloud of Flies this turn.

@@erikwhitney7403 Nurgle is sustained hits, so more chances to proc those devestating wounds.

@@erikwhitney7403 THe helbrute gets you both lethal and sustained, so you just get a bunch of extra wounds in addition to the extra hits

@@SeddersShots Exactly. Helbrute Sustain is good but it can be taken without helbrute. As for lethal it takes away from Devestating. And Everyone knows Devestating is better than more Autowounds that still get a save.

Yeah grants then fights first is pretty nice. Is csm as an army just naturally character heavy? Im worries about assassinate secondary. (Very new)

@@silentascari2180 master of executions doesn't give fights first, it gives melee rerolls to wound against units below starting strength, and rerolls to hit also if they're below half strength. Also you gain a cp if he kills a character.

@@hamishwalker9637 yeah, you’re right the WE one does which is what I was confusing it with.

I'm baffled why people do these comments every time. The joke got old very fast imo

Totally right, will post a correction above!

Depends on how many shots you get. I generally use the second profile (marine killer), but at D6 shots and only once per battle, it can be a hit and miss.

I feel there is just so much Sv. 2+/3+ that without decent AP, you just can't push through any significant damage. Terminators eating up 5 out of 6 of your shots means you have to get some 18 wounds to even down a model. It's so much investment for meagre returns.

GW hit their sales goals and it's time to sell the new daemon prince. LD has been "Aggressored."

My Daemon Prince with Mark of Slaanesh and Intoxicating Elixir ate three massive shooting phases of Drukhari Dark Lances and only lost 4 wounds.

It would make sense from a fluff/lore standpoint. However, if you're playing competitively then their are better options. As they don't get Dark Pact or their own armies special rules.

please elaborate lol....I think my man is hot garbage.

@@rupertbrink7514 are you trying to kill stuff with him or something lol. His job is to hold objectives & do action secondaries Because he can advance & action. Being able to vect your opponents best strategem is also really useful.

Same problem as previous editions, with its big, bulky base, how do you get it into combat before it implodes from opponent's shooting? While Triple Plasma Forgefiends are a thing (for an equivalent points cost), why bother taking the risk of melee combat?

What makes cultists better is sticky. Take stick it and move to another location. TG have to stay. Both need nurgle mark. Would be nice if a bit better like the enforcer etc are included in cost.

@@erikwhitney7403 I guess if you moved them off an objective and into a very heavily fortified or obscured location I could agree, but generally I’d take Traitors if I didn’t have a plan, cultists you’d have to be crafty with and move them around strategically, and they do get Dark Apostles and Communes as leaders which is always are both pretty good

They focus fire on him to kill leaving other units to survive. Could have done it better.

I did a game with a dark apostle leading accursed cultists who took the tzeentch enhancement and he scored me victory points and command points all game long. Very durable unit

And in the chaos sub reddit they bashed me for saying its one of the refreshes we might get. "Please buy all of these before we stop making them"

I don’t see Helbrute working. Terminators don’t need it and it stops their devestating wounds with lethal. You can already get sustain with pact and re roll to hit. It’s good with havocs or a tank in the back.

The Death Guard Helbrute is trash, has no aura or crazy abilities, just does a small number of mortal wounds on charge, and good luck getting that slow squishy POS into melee alive.

@@DibbzTheLoner Yeah I haven't heard a whole lot of positive in general about Deathguard

@@erikwhitney7403 Giving a squad of Legionaries with a character or two both Sustained Hits and Lethal Hits on their (majority) S4 attacks is absolutely excellent. They're also a fantastic target for Tank Shock, and a good threat for counter-charging with Heroic Intervention. Their Fist is an excellent Terminator killer, which I think will be very useful in the future. I think they're neat!