Tesla just opened up 15,000 of their Tesla Superchargers to Ford, (and soon Rivian) The Tesla adapter is FREE for now, just request one from Ford. But will cost a whopping 230 dollars after June 30th 2024.
Also just to keep a benefit for Tesla ownership while also opening up the chargers to others. I think that's a pretty fair way of doing it instead of excluding people from using otherwise empty chargers *coughRIVIANcough
I was at the Cleveland auto show today and the Ford manufacturer representatives said on the 2024 lightning, the Tesla Charging port will be on the right side along with the CCS port on the left side. As a Tesla owner the greatest percentage of Tesla chargers are the short, stiff, and thick cord variety!
Ah yes, good ol' marketing and sales telling customers fairytales that make the actual engineers roll their eyes. Next gen BEV truck - which wont be called Lightning - will have that capability. Why would Ford spend thousands of dollars for a second charge port on a vehicle that only has 2 years of production left, when an adapeter does the trick and you make the customer pay for it?
@@powertothesheeple5422 Completely agree, even if the adapter was included it still doesn't make sense to have two ports... thats like making a combo Betamax and VHS player.
Tesla is almost all of the US charging infrastructure at this point. Especially if you factor in fact that Electrify America network is a pile of crap with constant issues.
Doesn’t change the fact that they are not reliable, put together like legos with Elon with his kids aex12 or whatever the fuck his kids name is. This industry is a joke
It was pretty cool until Elon fired everyone in their supercharger devision. I heard he is hiring some of them back. But sheesh, it's hard to trust anything Elon is involved in. I thought Ford would just replace the one port they have to the Tesla port to keep costs down but now I am thinking one on each side might not be a bad idea. Oh Elon...Sigh.
@@favoriteben67_86 Teslas are way more reliable than ICE cars and require much less maintenance. I've also only ever come across two broken supercharger stalls since 2020. You ICE car people keep making things up
For Tesla? Not sure. Access to Tesla SC has been one of the reasons why people choose Tesla over other EVs. So, this would certainly have an impact in Tesla sales, which I think is greater than the revenue from charging other EV using SC. I mean, Tesla was giving free access to SC on its early days, EVs is where the money at. Of course, this could also increase Tesla's brand awareness. So, overall? Dunno.
@@807800Better charging networks will start popping up it’s just a matter of time. So Tesla bringing car manufacturers to their network and charging standard makes any new standard adoption more difficult. So they are securing the future of NACS which in addition to the revenue generated from charging is a way bigger win long term than the loss in sales which is already minimal from the lack of competition. Tesla is always thinking long term
Charging ports should be universal in the fist place....the fact every manufacturer does their own thing is like Apple only using lightning vs USB-C......eventually all charging networks are forced to use the same adapter.
Nah, he moans about Tesla having a 30% markup for non Teslas and then goes on to say the Electrify America price would be so much greater. Sorry, the Tesla network is one of the benefits of buying a Tesla. When can we expect Ford to have their hi-speed charging network that Tesla owners can use?
There is the V4 Tesla superchargers: higher wattage output up to 350KW, liquid cooled cables, and the cables are longer. So non-Teslas will not be as much of an issue as those cables are long enough to at least reach mid way down a longer vehicle or the other end on a shorter one.
Technically its not 2 chargers per car, its just 1 extra So if there are 10 fords they will take up 11 spots They might start a new thing like teslas on left spots and fords on the right side spots
In Australia the monthly sub for non Tesla's is AU$9.99 (US$6.60) BUT... If you don't subscribe the kWh fee is AU$0.85c/kWh compared to the Tesla owner price of AU$0.70c/kWh (THE most expensive in Australia).
In europe the tesla-chargers were open for a while now, the price difference is about the same, but non-tesla drivers can get a monthly subscription for $12, and then get tesla-pricing on non-tesla's. I'd guess something like this will be available in the US as well.
excellent review. you covered several aspects the other reviewers missed. One, the length of the cord. (Your Mom could have backed up another 2 feet!) and two the cost. That Tesla charges more for electricity for non-Tesla customers, doesn't concern me. the comparison prices you show are very helpful. Third, your comment about how many non-Tesla's there are on the road vs existing Tesla vehicles is important to note. can't wait to get my adaptor. Thanks!
I’m thinking there might be another variable he didn’t realize in the video. What if his mom is paying the 13 dollar fee to get the reduction in the cost
Not through Ford's plug and charge, however. There's been no confirmation you can enable a supercharger for a Ford EV through the Tesla app, but it would be great if you could.
@@kennyb123 checked my app. It is 12.99 a month for a non Tesla charging membership. I don't see how they would stop other non Tesla's from using that adapter when it looks to be the same thing they have in their magic dock.
Also, 47cents vs the 6cents at home, that monthly subscription is still costing you money. IF the station works with your vehicle. And if you are daily driving or making frequent long trips in anything but a widely compatible charging network, you're not buying a ford.
@@SirSilvia if the cost savings per kilowatt exceeds the monthly subscription rate it would totally be worth it. Plus anyone doing truck stuff wouldn't buy a Tesla anyways.
This video was THE MOST informative for EV charging that we’d come across. And that’s saying a lot. So great job! I don’t know what measure of success you could enjoy within this subject matter if you were to continue to post this type of content, but I’d wager you’d be one of the best!!
Tesla's are forced to use the same EU plug other car makes are using as far as I know, or you get a converter with it or something. Charging stations for a single brand of car are just not allowed here :).
Here in Glendale Arizona we have a supercharger station that is fully magic dock as well.. as a Tesla owner It’s pretty strange to drive by the supercharger and see ford Mach E’s, Audi etron’s and Rivian’s charging at a Tesla supercharger…
Wow, I appreciate you for letting me know about the adapter. I was looking around for awhile for a fast charging adapter and didn't know where to get one and niw injust reserved mine for free ...thanks Jerry👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿
I have free supercharging for 6 months on my wife’s Tesla Model Y Performance. Most people that supercharge do not have any etiquette. 99% of the people open their doors and leave them open while walking to the back to attach the charger. I have received two door dents from people doing this. When I approach them and say something they run off or say there is no damage. I already spent $300 removing the two door dents. People are so rude and have no accountability. It only takes two seconds to close your door when you exit the vehicle. Most people cannot be bothered by this. I also see people driving up not looking to see if there are people waiting for the next available charger and cutting the line. Most of this is just plain and simple common sense.
Thanks for making a to the point video of this lightning. Great point about the free adapter being free just for a few months. I could see a lightning drive over the curb to get to the last charger on the right
Car manufacturers haven't been able to decide whether to put the gas cap on the left or on the right side for over 100 years. I'm not getting my hopes up. And making the charger cables longer will probably just attract copper thieves.
It really should be just like gas stations are now. Where everyone can "fill up" everywhere and prices are displayed and pretty much equal for all customers.
@@juanramongonzalez9921 Indeed. However there are also plenty of superchargers in Europe, but there anyone must be able to charge at any charger. Ofc. prices differ based on subscriptions etc.
@@juanramongonzalez9921 When you want change, often times you have to break things, sorry... Just don't lose sleep over anguishing CEOs who thinks the world is so unfair
This is exactly what Ford and every other electric car manufacturer needs. A LARGE and RELIABLE charging network is a must. The one thing that kept me away from a mustang ev or any other non-Tesla vehicle was the issues with Electrify America. Great decision by ford and hopefully this just helps expand the Tesla network further with the added income of Ford EV’s.
I've been to that charging station in the middle of the day during winter during a road trip. It was busy as hell and cars were confused as to where to line up and wait. Then after waiting, I pulled into a stall with a broken charger that wasn't labeled broken. Guess what, I had to awkwardly ask the people in the new line (that didn't even see me) if I could cut ahead when one opened. So yeah, adding to that now a truck that is taking up two spots that would be even worse lol. honestly they shoud include some sort of cable extension with those adapters at least but I realize that woudl probably up the cost quite a bit more.
They can't extend the cables. They are liquid cooled and couldn't handle additional length. V4 superchargers should eliminate the issue and be the majority of chargers next year
Great information Zack. Your Mom has the same Model Y as I have (nice color choice). What I found amazing is you were able to find not one, but many stalls open at the Draper, Utah Supercharger location. Every time I try to charge there, I'm in a waiting line. If a few Ford trucks show up taking up two stalls, and there is a long line of elitist minded Tesla owners, it will likely get a bit dicey and uncomfortable for the Ford owners. 🙂
As a Tesla owner, I'm glad Tesla is doing this...but I'll probably be eating my own words once I have to wait in line because a few Fords are hogging an entire row of chargers!
am I the only one that thought this $200 adapter is going to be stolen all across the country? no connector locking or anything.. I hope ford owners stay with their cars.
Because EVs are: 1. Bad for the environment (when you factor in pollution due to production and power generation in the U.S.) 2. Guaranteed to fail in ten years, unlike ICE vehicles (though maybe GM's battery system will be replaceable, yet to be seen) 3. Much heavier, resulting in damage to roads 4. Much heavier, resulting in a longer stopping distance and therefore worse safety for those outside the vehicle. 5. Unnecessary, as hybrids exist and are objectively better.
@@comicrandomness3289 I bought mine in 2021, so earlier than most. There was a guy in my neighborhood who would scream at me every time he saw me drive by (I have the obnoxious blue GT version, very easy to spot.) I don't get the hate. The GT is insanely fast and embodies the pure adrenaline of the Mustang. I love the ICE mustang too, both are amazing. If you identify the Mustang as a "muscle car", then I can see the point, but then we have to address the entire 80s models, which, well do I even have to say it?
It is not necessarily 2 spots taken if there is another Ford or Non-Tesla, it can park next to you and take the charger from your parking spot. In that case only one spot is wasted (first car in a row).
Thanks for the video, it's helpful to see non-Tesla's using the Supercharger. The only way to change public perception on EV and all its pros and cons is live action coverage. Reports, statistics are helpful but also easily manipulated to fit a company, political and economic position. Showing people who own EV's in a range of use and recharging is seemingly the only way to normalize the process. I wish everyone well!
Wish we could have seen some content of Zack getting his lightning/what he plans to use it for/what he thinks after driving it for a long time. Glad to finally see it in this video though!
30% markup while the charging infrastructure grows seems fine, I'm more worried when EVs take over am I going to have to search for my branded charger to get the best rate?
Since all cars will be using the same plug, you will be free to charge wherever you want and find the best value. It is still a maturing marked riddled with odd plans, apps and subscriptions and I agree that it is tiresome to have to look at 5 different apps to make sure you get the right price. I am not from the US but it seems it is a world wide problem. I was at a conference centre for a day and charged my car at a L2 charger so I could drive home without having to stop on the way. It took 7 hours to charge to full but that was fine. The problems was that there were 2 companies and when I disovered the other chargers, I noticed they were 20% cheaper. So I went out and moved to the cheaper ones.
Meanwhile in EU Tesla SC's are mostly available to all EV's and it doesn't need gimmics like adapters. CCS works for all, including Tesla. Unfortunately Tesla SC is on the more expensive side to charge, so it's not the first choice. Other chains also have better charging network, at least here.
Tesla developed their network to support Tesla cars and each purchase of a Tesla, part of that cost goes to building the network. The extra 30% is to make up that contribution to the network. The alternative is to purchase the Tesla monthly subscription to get the same rates. I think it's ~ $13, so after a couple of charging sessions, you'd break even at the $0.11 differential.
Yeah, sounds like a fair mark-up to me. I paid extra for my Tesla so that I could use the stations, while Fords did not. If Tesla thinks charging them a few extra cents is fair, then it sounds good to me!
It'll be really good once they get the J3400 ports on all future EVs. The V4 super charging stations have a much longer whip so it'll be much less likely to need to take up 2 spots when charging vehicles even with the ports on the "wrong" side.
They have the same model of pricing in Europe, unless you get a subscription of I think 12€ or $13 per month in order to receive the same prices as any other Tesla vehicle!
That's awsome! Nice to see Ford choosing to adopt the NACS charging port before any other manufacturer and starting the transition to the better charging network and port.
In the UK Tesla had opened up some of their superchargers well over a year ago. Being a Tesla owner I generally don't have issues with this but I will say it can be inconvenient for most EV users when a car takes up two spaces to charge as the charging port is on the opposite side. I've been caught out a few times waiting for 2 cars to stop charging and taking up all 4 spots. Tesla need to make their charging cables longer as this has an impact on all users.
Wholesale price of electricity in the Netherlands today is around 7 cents/kWh. Randomly chosen Dutch Supercharger price right now: 40 cents/kWh. I think you are being ripped off by your electricity provider. 😅
I'd never heard of Not A Wheelchair before... As someone who spends ~30% of my life in one, this could be a game changer! Will have to save up for one for sure. 😁 Also, between finding your company in this video, and the horse one... You get a subscribe. So wholesome!
We pay 0.241 EURO-cents per kWh at our home. Those 6cts prices are crazy. We pay at least 0.42 euro-cts per kWh at the public charging places that are scattered throughout the neighbourhood. But often prices increase due to the charging subscription you have, so you can pay easily up to 0.76 euro-cts per kWh. And I can't use the solar from my house because I don't have a driveway to park my car on my own personal property (it's normal over here).
EA used to be pretty reasonable, but they jacked up their prices recently. You can pay a monthly membership for a 25%ish discount, but that discount isn't always available at certain locations during busy hours and they make it very difficult/impossible to see what the prices are until you are charging.
For anyone complaining about the 30% mark up: Tesla built their supercharger network from sales of Tesla vehicles. Ford isn't paying Tesla to use the NACS chargers, AFAIK. So the mark up with help build more superchargers.
you can pay a membership cost and the price will be the same as Tesla owner pricing. Membership I believe is $13/month, it is good for people who supercharge often.
The only reason manufacturers are working together is because of Tesla. They are willing to share the unique good experience we Tesla owners have all enjoyed for years. They are open and willing to support the cause for a better EV experience for all. This would never have happened with any other vehicle manufacturer.
I don't really think it's for altruistic reasons that they are doing this. Don't get me wrong, it's amazing they are doing this, but I think it's less to do with "being good" and rather, now that NACS (or J3400) is the industry standard, the government will give out grants to build new charging stations with NACS plugs instead of CCS1 plugs. Giving Tesla money to build more Supercharger networks. Musk isn't the type to do thing for "the good of the industry".
Don't get me wrong. Tesla has a high quality product. But it's opening up to other brands is not a move from the goodness of their hearts. Governments in EU, and I assume the US government as well, have been negotiating deals with Tesla to open up, and that meant grants to Tesla to build new superchargers. Plus this gives them edge over competition, so they could move into the charging market rather than manufacturing only. This is a business move, and a smart one no doubt, not a charity.
@D3ND couldn't they just increase the price higher and higher as more chargers get made? Since there's no competition for the charging segment for EV because of lazy legacies, can't tesla just increase the price drastically when the government stops paying them? I know they can't kick them off the network, but they can't do anything about pricing, so if they increase it little by little, since there's no competition at all.
Here in Sweden you can pay a monthly fee to get the same price as Tesla owners. But we have opened for every brand, and it’s quite annoying to have cars parked like buttholes at the charger, but I think if they swap out all the older chargers to v4 the problem is solved :)
Just for reference for my American friends to know how much we in Europe pay for charging: at home the rates are around 0.25 USD per kwh and DC charging prices are around 0.7 USD per kwh
@@gamemaster676 I live in Prague, Czech. The prices were a lot higher just a year ago, but it finally came down a little. So now it’s around those 0.25€/kwh. I know the prices in Germany are very similar
@@Calibr21 0.6 is really a lot! Wow 😯 I just couldn’t comprehend how the prices are so extremely low in Utah where he lives. I guess it’s because there are a lot of coal power plants?
This is pretty great. Can't wait till all manufacturers have access. Tried tricking a Tesla Supercharger into thinking my Kia EV6 is a Ford using the app and the A2Z adapter yesterday, but it didn't work unfortunately.
Thank you, you are the only creator that has included prices. One caveat, your home charging is likely not $0.06 per KWH, it is likely the cost of the commodity plus you pay per KWH to have it delivered. Don't forget to factor that in when you evaluate your pricing. That being said it is still less than 1/2 price to charge at home.
Yes, most utilities have a generation fee and a distribution fee. Add to that taxes and other fees raises the total cost well over 10 cents per kWh in many areas.
I will be using this exact charging location for my Lightning! I just started watching your channel and was surprised to see you in my stomping grounds XD
I do understand that over here in Europe the infrastructure is not used to support pickup trucks since that is vastly a North American thing but that even your infrastructure isn’t supporting so large vehicles leaves me baffled 😮
They ADDED ANOTHER HEADACHE! IF they want to USE TESLA SUPERCHARGER, their Charging Port must be in "REAR DRIVER SIDE" or "FRONT PASSENGER SIDE". I've encountered an almost a fist fight here in TEXAS, when a Ford MACH E & Rivian R1S occupied 4 SLOTS. The worst part is, the owners of those 2 vehicles was SMIRKING & RUDE. (I own Tesla S & X, and waiting for my Cybertruck) IF TESLA wants EVERY EV use their CHARGING STATIONS, they SHOULD make a MANDATORY RULE that they can only use it IF they will change their charging port to "Rear Driver Side" OR "Front Passenger Side", period.
Jerry, can you go back and "dry fit" the cable to the passenger side? With the current driver's side, that cable barely reaches. However, the cable from the SC comes out of the right side of the station. Thus with you parked on the right side of the station AND with the NASC to CCS adapter, it reaches. However, if you were to park on the left side, as Teslas do, of the station and plug directly into the passenger side with NASC. Do you think it'll reach? Because the cable from the SC is still coming out of the right side of the station and no adapter.
Your home electricity rate is awesome. Here in Maine, the rate depends on how much you use. The more you use (up to a point) the cheaper it is. The state average is about 28 cents per KWH, but can go quite a bit higher if you don't use a lot. So basically, if you try to save money by using less electricity, they just charge you more per KWH.
Oh shiiiiit, good sharing the knowledge with us. I love that Tesla's making money off of the charging of other vehicles other than their own, but is still providing Tesla owners a big enough discount to show 'em the extra love. This is perfect if you ask me. +30% is bang on, so as the Superchargers aren't eventually taken over by non-Tesla's in years to come. 😎This was a good watch through and through!
@@ultrastoat3298 I own a Tesla and I need to use an adapter at most Tesla chargers since my car has type 2 (as many others) and most Tesla SuC today has CCS connectors.
@@ultrastoat3298 I drive a Tesla and I need an adapter! My car has the type 2 connector and most Tesla SuC uses CCS connectors today so I use the conversion adapter to charge.
@@ultrastoat3298 the car has the type 2 connector (mennekes) and most chargers use the CCS2 so, I need to put a conversion adapter between the charger and the car.
Adding the NACS port to the passenger side while leaving a CCS port on the driver's side would solve the 2 stall problem and allow the vehicle to still charge at the existing CCS infrastructure. Would be a great solution!
@@BrandEver117 I agree for current vehicles, but I hope they do something like this for new vehicles, for a $70k truck, an extra charge port does not seem like a huge ask.
⚡🚗 Exploring the compatibility between Ford EVs and Tesla Superchargers! It's great to see the ease of charging, making electric vehicle ownership more accessible. 🔌👍
If you supercharge once a month you may as well just get the membership for 12 bucks a month so you get the Tesla rate. Also I head the decorative port is going away.
@@JustLovett0 Agree it’s more costly than it could be. However, I feel good about not spewing a toxic plume behind my car that has a lot of value for me. Like donating to a good cause. Not sure the oil companies use my money for good.
Rivian is already able to use Tesla superchargers built for that purpose. Been that way for months. Rivian will be making the ports on the R2 models the same as Tesla's
It is important to note that Tesla offers a membership for non-teslas that gives you the Tesla owner price for superchargers. I believe it’s $19.99, not sure how much you have to charge to make the financials work but depending on use case/charging frequency it would be worth the subscription for some.
It is very generous of Tesla and Rivian to open their fast charging networks to all EVs owners. Next step is to standardise the traction battery. Mechanical specs & connections, power wiring, data connection, and open battery health reporting. In this way, it is possible to set the dollar value of an EV battery at any moment, and will be possible for any battery to be installed on any EV by anyone. The standardisation of EV batteries will kickstart the used EV market, and will make possible other forms of battery ownership; the owner of the EV can rent, lease or purchase a battery of any size, and used batteries - with their remaining life known with precision - can be priced correctly, or repaired and re-certified by a third party. I hope the standardisation of the charging connector will kickstart the battery standardisation revolution that the EV industry so urgently need. Thank you JRE for this video! Greetings from the UK, Anthony
Rivian still hasn't opened theirs up (other then level 2 chargers). Which is pretty silly since they have basically none of the reasons Tesla has had to be so exclusive.
