His body language shifted so fast once the song came on. He’s as meek as a lamp. It probably reminds him of the vestigial remnants in his life and how everything could’ve been different. This video truly is a blanket of sadness, from all aspects.
I noticed that too and thought how our society just throws people away. What if someone gave him a home, stability, and love when he was first getting into trouble at age 9 or 10?
@@bethka104Grogan was portrayed as a simpleton his parents dumped him at the ranch as a hand for room and board before Charles got there,but he obviously has a strong musical ability as demoed by this song.i love his tone and timbre I can't understand why his parents threw him away?
Death, control and hatred pretty much filled those times for him. Many others enjoyed the feeling of change and a healthy take of self-empowerment though.
Such a classic song. I used to put this on at parties and not tell anyone who it was. Everyone dug it and it really blew their minds when they found out who it was. Thanks to Axl Rose for turning us on to it.
man me too, i loved to show this at afterparties. i think even i found out about it in a small studio apartment in the early morning, some girl showed it to me. good times.
In spite of everything, I believe Charlie would have preferred his life to end up differently. I know other folks on death row wished they could have done their lives over again.
Charlie never killed anyone. His case was very complicated. Manson was convicted of first-degree murder for directing the deaths of the Tate-LaBianca victims. The key word is directed.
I know Charles Manson did some terrible things but I actually really enjoy his music. This is the most touching song I've heard in a long while. Thanks for sharing.
@@troybuchanan9980 I mean he did try really hard to get a record deal and get his music out there to the world. He was tight with a member of the Beach Boys who put him in contact with Terry Melcher (who owned Polanski and Tate's residence), but Terry wasn't impressed with Manson's music nor his lifestyle. After Manson persisted and kept asking if Terry was interested, Terry basically just blew him off and said go away. So Manson's revenge was basically to kill everyone in the house Terry used to live in. Obviously there was more to the motive for the crimes than that but I believe that's part of it. If Manson were alive today I'm sure he would have achieved potentially much more success given all the music platforms like Spotify as well as all the social media we have today. An artist can literally go viral over night, it's fucking wild.
@@Authorised-q5s Exactly. He probably could have made a record company a good amount of money, but not as much as John Smith down the street. Money is all that will ever matter to the majority of the population, by no fault of their own most of the time.
Some say some other dude sung this i forgot his name but still it isnt true. People can just watch the full on recording session and the lie album is purely him which is why hes credited for it anyways.@@Jagrio
Guns N Roses covered this song on their covers album “spaghetti incident”. It’s not on the track listing and doesn’t have its own track on the album. It’s a “secret song” that plays a few minutes after the last song on the album finishes.
Im not an anti-hero revisionist thar seems to be in style these days for evil people, but I also realize that there are many many folks out there that are one step from dark actions. Im a big The Doors fan but I sometimes think if Jim hadnt had music he would have ended up in prison. Music and talent aside Jim was a pretty loose canon. Its to bad Charles Manson (sorry Im not calling him Charlie) could not have placed his mind into the music more and kept at it. He obviously had some talent as a writer. Instead he went down another route. And yes I am well aware of the abuse he went through. Many others have also and didnt do evil acts. As an aside, my Uncle Charlie (yep his name was Charlie also) was prison officer who for a brief time oversaw Manson. He said that the crazy act was just that, a total act.
Interesting bit of information at the end, I think he'd always put on an act for the interviews and courts to seem more infamous, it was mentioned somewhere in Helter Skelter. In the most recent videos of him in court, he seems a lot more relaxed and chill. It's as if he knows he isn't in the spotlight anymore.
Then there’s that dude on Joe rogan who spent 20 years digging around looking for the whole story on Charles Manson and right as he was about to get the tex Watson tapes the fbi urgently rushed in and snapped the tapes up. He said multiple times that he didn’t do it but he also didn’t care less because he knew they weren’t letting him go.
It might be me, but the audio sounds the best in this particular video, I’ve listened to others and it doesn’t sound nearly as good! Also superb editing I wonder what it would be like as a cult leader 🤔
Jim Jones, Marshall Applewhite, Anton Szandor Lavey, Alfred Kinsey, Timothy Leary, Mark David Chapman, Al Sharpton, David Berg of The Children of God, Lee Harvey Oswald, Conrad Murray, John Hinckley Jr, Mohamed Atta, Unabomber, David Koresh, etc, you think they were also not who we were told they were?
Get Lucid. O'Neil had nothing but some loose ends and speculation. And his attack on Bugliosi is just to mollify the damage Vince did to the JFK conspiracy industry.
@@sunwukong7567 Jim Jones was friends with Dan Mitrione, a US advisor that trained police in Latin America on how to torture people during the cold war.
Thats actually Charlie singing. Steve Grogan sings on a different record. Catherine Share must have had the albums mixed up. Steve Grogan was on a different Manson Family album... Share and Grogan have a grown son together and are still in contact with each other.
Interesting to see so much certainty about Charlie yet none of us knew him at all. Also unsettling is the emerging trend where people show affection to psychopaths after a little time has passed, like he's somehow now cool or alright. Nah, this guy sent people to murder - remember that singular fact. Those murdered could have been your family members. Regarding the video itself, I think it would have been more poignant had you shown his reaction, after the song, where we see him realize that he's lost everything. Maybe next time, eh?
He immediately went right back to normal after a couple seconds of looking deeply troubled. There’s a reason I had to slow down the clip of his “reaction” lol. But yeah you make a good point, the only reason people show any respect to these killers, is because they see a little bit of themselves in them.
I think it's more that we want to get into the minds of these people and try to understand what drives them but personally speaking I don't see any of this guy in me but I get what you mean. I think it's us guys too, that interest in the macabre. @@Jagrio
Because, trying to dehumanise someone would be a grave mistake.. We are ALL human; perhaps that is why it is easier for most folks to make the mental separation, "You're a MONSTER!"
Manson DID have a song he wrote that was STOLEN by Terry Melcher and later recorded by the "Beach Boys." This costed Manson Millions. This is why he WENT AFTER Melcher, unfortunately for Sharon Tate, she was now living in the house when the Manson 'Cronies' showed up that fateful August night (1969).
@@annaelisavettavonnedozza9607 they had recorded it before Dennis split from Charlie. Charlie was given a motorcycle instead of payment because he chose not to sign a contract. His beef with Dennis was that the lyrics and music were altered and he didn't get his name listed in the credits. They didn't outright steal it. Not sure if Charlie would have made millions, but $10,000 - $20,000 could have been possible. The song was on a Beach Boys album that didn't go very high on the charts in 1969. The drummer of the song, Jim Gordon, had been on albums with George Harrison and Eric Clapton, he killed his mother in 1983. But yeah, not having his name on the record was certainly a factor in his mass murder. If it wasn't Sharon Tate, it would have been Candice Bergen. Charlie probably assumed that Tex Watson was going to kill Terry Melcher and Candice Bergen.
He looked as if memories of what he wanted so much to be came flooding back. Also the lyrics said something about the girls being in a dream world. Isn't this the song Melcher took from him? I'd have been angry too.🌿🤍☮️🙏
...much of the old footage of Spahn Ranch is of Steve Grogan, There is an album pressed called "The Family Jams" in that Grogan does the most of the vocals recorded in '70 while Charlie was incarcerated, The Album "LIE :the love and terror cult" was all Charlie doing vocals including "Look at Your Game Girl"...
He was trying to be a famous musician in the ‘60s, worked with some of the Beach Boys but then things didn’t end well and he gave up and started the cult. I mean Pete Townsend of the Who famously said if he hadn’t found rock and roll he would have been an axe murderer and expressed his anger that way. Imagine an alternate universe where John Lennon and Pete Townsend are killers and Hitler and Manson are famous artists.
The CIA has been all over the music industry since the end of the 1960s. Before that, it was the domain of the mafia. The mafia had better taste in music, frankly.
The songs on the LIE album, recorded August 1968 have a commercial [for that time] vibe about them and suggest Manson was in fact trying to get a career as a musician. The later recordings from Vacaville penitentiary are quite different in style. Manson always claimed in interviews that he was never interested in fame and perhaps wants to distance himself from the LIE recordings which suggest otherwise. I've always felt the LIE record was a good, solid album.
I forget the name of the song Manson had recorded by the BEACH BOYS, but they STOLE HIS SONG, getting 100% of the royalties for it, leaving Manson with NOTHING.
Manson was a monster, but he was made into that monster. True, many folks grow up with morals even with a tragic childhood (Manson's mom sold him to a stranger for a bottle of whiskey). But it was Project MK-Ultra that programmed him into a sociopathic killer. I always wondered how his group afforded and accessed multiple doses of LSD every single day while unemployed in the desert.
I read some of the comments below and a lot of them describe this music in a positive way. I can't help thinking if Sharon Tate or any of the others who were murdered or their friends and family would feel the same way.
If the Beach boys manager only gave him a recording contract, however miniscule, his ego would have been satisfied temporarily and those murders never would have happened.
this is actually Charlie singing and playing. Catherine Share must have confused this track with a different album. There is a full record of Steve Grogan singing, but Look At Your Game Girl really is Charlie.
Although I do not condone the crimes Charles Manson committed, I think that stealing a person's work, claiming it as your own and making a profit from it is also a crime. Those thieves should have been sued.
The end was taken off the end of his cover of “Invisible Tears” by Ray Conniff and the Singers. (Find it here ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-xR42QJY3ixQ.htmlsi=ezMw0fxN1jNUv76J) He’s not saying it about this song, which is most likely him singing. He’s just having a laugh about what Ray Conniff would have said if he heard his cover.
It always seemed to me that he was getting emotional but didn’t want Ronald to notice. He looks down immediately to hide his face and then continues to look down. Mansons biggest power sometimes was that he was unreadable, and that’s what made him intimidating to all the other interviewers.
I think he would've done great as a folk singer. If they could've gotten him a major record deal and some money, pulled him out of poverty and the whole cult scene- he might have become self-sufficient enough to settle down, get married and have a successful career. I think a large part of his issue was that Charlie was always broke, even with all that talent, Charles Manson couldn't seem to make a dime. And that made him feel the weight of the world and resentment all the more.
Who knows. I’ve heard Clem sing and it really doesn’t sound at all like him in this song. Manson didn’t even agree that it was him singing, he just said that he did know him.
Race had NOTHING to do with the murder of Sharon Tate and those four others. Manson went after Melcher who stole one of his songs, later recording it with the Beach Boys, making Millions.
That is Charlie singing. Kind modest to not correct that guy. I guess he was not really concerned anymore. He wrote some good music. Brian Wilson and Neil Young and others like his music. You can hear Charlie at the end of the song, clearly him. There are some other good songs that were song by someone else. I am not a follower at all, but the music is certainly good.
