ChatGPT Changes Everything, But Not in the Way You Think 

This is exactly how I’m using it. But I’m a beginning, so it’s helping me study be reverse engineering the examples it provides and then building on top of it to make sure what I come up with makes sense and works.

When there is a such innovation pumping the wheel will spin very quickly, think it as a compound effect. As an example - AI will probably tripe or more, the speed of developing, which will lead to a better communication with the AI, which will lead to a AI which will communicate with another AI. As another example - lets imagine we have a AI which received a request by a human to develop a game, afterwards the AI sends a request to a third party AI who can develop the Art, once the art is done, the implementation can be also automated. As you probably know, the AI learns by every single request sent, meaning it will know better than human, which will be the best practice to create something. Once we pass this stage, AI will develop stuff smarter than human can possibly imagine.

I'm coining the job title AI Programmatic Intergrator for precisely this reason :) You're always going to need to check the work. Will this change our workflow, yes, but will it eliminate us, nope.

The problem that notion of programmers becoming integrators will give rise to is that the AI will be incapable of inventing novel in-context solutions and so will the majority of integrators due to lacking the understanding and practice required to come up with such. Skills can and do atrophy when not used, we've lost a great many skills in human history, we don't usually care about that because something better usually replaced it. The replacement here would be a mixed bag, the AI will not make mistakes due to being tired or unmotivated, but it will create insidious bugs in great quantities where the code nominally works but not as intended due to having no actual understanding of what it's doing, these types of bugs are commonly some of the hardest to debug. Shall put it this way, i'm never getting on an airplane that has AI designed software running it where the AI has no in-context understanding.

@@RiversJ It will be the jQuery situation on AIRoids and I'm already seeing some of that go on. I see it overtaking react within 5 years. In terms of the buzz and inability to answer without that ecosystem. I'm on fence a bit because I can already leverage this and I am very capable of auditing that. People will be copy-pasting stuff until the feature works and there aren't crazy crashes. Someone attentive is going to learn things. Someone lazy is happily going to skip that lol

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Copilot is using codex if I understood that right. ChatGPT can create a full micro service, style it and answer questions about it. Or make modifications across multiple files.

And also, just like ChatGPT, Copilot sometimes returns the wrong answer. It's still very useful, but you can't just take the code generated and assume it is correct.

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@@SocialAnimalJC ms. Clause

hi brother, can we talk on discord or something i want to ask you a question

I got to play with it too and it gives me the feel of google on steroids. I’m currently getting to learn C# for my work and often times I feel like I have the correct logic/pseudocode but I’m not always aware of the tools available to me. I view this as giving you a good direction to dive into in order to be exposed to the tools that are available at your disposal.

@@ManderO9 yeah sure, I don't really want to put my contact info on blast though.

@@kevinalbarran8004 I agree, I've been a developer for a little over 5 years and it's all self taught. Of course I found great resources like TimCorey, but there is so much I don't know that I don't know.

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Which is why we 1, don't solely rely on it and 2, don't give it power to make decisions on its own. I've watched (and enjoyed) those movies, but I don't want to live through the events of the Terminator.

@@IAmTimCorey The events of Terminator could totally happen. Even if it's currently airgapped from the internet today, some day some college freshmen is going to ask it "Help! I can't center a div!", And then unquestioningly run whatever code it spits out.

Just likke in construction, number of construction jobs decreased because we got machines. Tools dont replace people but radically reduce the number of workers needed.

@@gto433 created different jobs like machine operators. Drivers etc.

So you think we’re still using the same number of people we did to build the Pyramids or the Taj Mahal. Some reading would help (or you could ask ChatGPT😂)

I disagree. The ONLY reason that physical labor jobs have not been fully automated is because robotics cant perform sophisticated physical tasks. However, ai IS capable of doing much more than the vast majority of junior devs already, and in a couple years will be far beyond the level of any human knowledge - this is different because in the realm of pure thought, ai is king - ironically, it looks like prigrammers and scientists will be auyomated out of jobs faster than tradesmen and laborers because it turns out that ai is progressing far faster than robotics. If you dont think that mosy companies would replace you with ai that doesnt need pay or breaks or sick leave, yhen you have anoyher thing coming.

You’re basing this assumption on the absolute dumbest version this AI will ever be. Every error, every mistake is added into its knowledge base. It’s writing kinda buggy code now, something that was absolutely impossible 10 years ago. Where will it be in 10 more years? High paid knowledge work just received a death warrant. Because the machine knows vast amounts and is exponentially expanding by the week.

One trick is to ask it again. Sometimes it doesn't come up with the right solution the first time. You can also ask it to debug the problem. But I agree, it does have its limitations.

@@IAmTimCorey I think this should be a tool for experts and not beginners because am expert will often spot these, I've heard sometimes its not wrong but inefficient, I think having beginners rely on it could stifle their growth. Like giving a kid a calculator to do math the first time their learning math. Normally introduce the calculator later on when individual math skills have developed somewhat.

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Are you trying to learn English? You don’t say advices, you say advice. Advice can be singular or plural.

@@chezchezchezchez Yeah I'm trying to learn English and thank you, I guess it's considered as uncountable word

@@chezchezchezchez who tf carea 🤷🏻‍♂️, it delivered what he wanted to say to whom he wanted to say. Dont be a over smart kid in class and teach grammar to everyone.

@@chezchezchezchez If you want great grammar pass your comments through GPT-Chat first.

That's a good way to look at it.

I mean there are companies basically run on hundreds of interns and several senior devs

This is a very good point! Currently, it is an "advisory" tool to help flushout a thought or concern. I believe at the moment developers' expectation is a tool to directly solve their issue, which is not the case. Yes, there is a ton of potential for some automation, this I can see. However, I believe this is the direction that the team is pushing, although neglecting to mention this part. lol.

It’s invaluable for that. I’ve done some things where there was no documentation or help available online. It didn’t get it completely correct, but close enough that I could figure the rest out for myself, with NO other examples online that I could find. That’s huge.

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If you specify it to write something sad, it will. I asked it to write a post apocalyptic story about mutant man-eating plants, and it did so, with the appropriate tone. Not at all relentlessly upbeat. I think it just defaults to upbeat unless you specify otherwise.

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Dependency Injection isn’t what opens the connection. Query does. The connection cannot be opened before it is created (the line above).

I guess they need to go back to the drawing board?

It works better for frontend and especially for javascript frameworks

@Marko How has your experience been so far? Do you see this thing substantially changing the way your team works?

Excellent!

It is definitely a big help in a lot of areas, as long as you keep an eye on it and understand the output.

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Thank you!

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@@IAmTimCorey I tried it my self. Its pretty amazing for Writting UnitTests tho

That's a great application.

Humans programming an AI to understand programming of long gone humans. How mindblowing is that...

@@FunIsGoingOn It even helps me understand code written by a long gone self of mine

@@Adam-nw1vy Oh I feel you. But then: it's a future that now allows us to reminiscence our past. Back then people wrote books. Will "it" once write a story about that species of "human", that all so tried to make sense of themselves?

@@FunIsGoingOn if we fail to make sense of ourselves, will AI fail to make sense of itself / themselves, even if it makes sense of us?

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The key, as you pointed out, is knowing what to ask and knowing what the code does in order to evaluate if it is good code or not.

Thanks! Part of the reason why I don't have more subscribers is because I don't chase them with flashy stuff. I focus on the practical, real-world training for C# and related topics. I'd rather be helpful than popular.

@@IAmTimCorey king

Just be careful not to learn something from it without verifying it from another, trusted source. Otherwise, it will teach you bad habits and you won't even know it.

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Dapper will overwrite the list no matter what, so instantiating it won't help.

@@IAmTimCorey of course

It definitely is.

so what's your Plan B?

​@@ladyblack679 I have absolutely no clue. clearly AI this advanced has been in the realm of possibility but everyone, including myself, seemed to be under the assumption that it was like 10-20years away at least, but it's here like right now. feels like junior and even midlevel positions will become redundant unexpectedly fast, as companies will want to optimize and streamline the development process and chatGPt will allow the seniors to take on unprecedented workloads and replace a horde of junior scrubs. i'm legitimately pondering an immediate career switch because the job i have been preparing for might disappear in 2023. what makes me even more anxious is the fact that the seniors and my mentors have actually expressed similar thoughts about this and are sort of labelling it a revolution that will change the industry going forward. and this is not just development. technical writing, data analysis, call center, absolutely everything can and could be automated with GPT in the near future. take this with a grain of salt, as it might be a bit overblown, but it's absolutely clear that GPT is a revolution, not yet another dumb chatbot and consumer AI has actually arrived, way earlier than we might've expected.

You may be right, although people have a tendency to overreact to things.

@@bane2256 yes i also kinda agree. i mean, it's not happening tomorrow, but the tech has clearly arrived and it will definitely start completely changing industries in the near future.

@@vanamutt43 just be a creator and you can develop stuff that use ChatGPT, you’ll be fine. Remember you never make $ working for someone.

Be REALLY careful there, though. Always verify what it tells you. It gets concepts wrong a LOT. As long as you are using it as a tool, and not relying on it to always be right, though, it is great for that.

@@IAmTimCorey What I noticed is that you ask it, there is a way to do X in docker. It says "Sure do XYZ" Then it turns out that is something that is only in a very old version of docker, but it does not tell you.

They are really limiting access to it, for just those reasons. Even as an MVP, I only recently was given the ability to apply for access (I haven't done so yet). They want to be sure that their AI is used ethically.

Interesting.

@@DumitruDanPOP I just tried it again and this time I got a message that says "We're experiencing exceptionally high demand. Please hang tight as we work on scaling our systems. A lot of people are checking out ChatGPT right now. We're doing our best to make sure everyone has a chance to try it out, so please check back soon!" Then it gives you an option to leave your email address to be notified "when we're back". I'm thinking all of @IAmTimCorey fans are trying to hit it and overwhelmed their system. LOL

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Thanks for sharing.

Yeah, it will definitely shake things up.

I'm glad the video was helpful.

Absolutely.

It is pretty impressive.

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That's a good way to look at it.

Almost anything with numbers confuses it currently.

Given the kinds of tests this thing is going through with people freely using it now, I think there will be a hefty amount of data to improve on the next iterations of this, to the point that it will know how to have serious philosophical debates. It has gotten this far already and it's pretty convincing in its answers but transferring every unique emergent ability that comes with consciousness is not simple. Developers only see small pieces of the puzzle after they solve the next problem.

Unfortunately not. I tried it.

That could be true.

The dotcom bubble is a good analogy of what is probably coming. In the original bubble, people were making big claims and using buzzwords to look like they were revolutionizing the industry. People who didn't know any better and who thought that this was all magic bought into the hype. Eventually, the reality of the situation caught up and the bubble burst. The reality was that technology is great, but it isn't magic and it isn't incomprehensible. You need to understand it and what actual value it brings. Otherwise, you end up with a lot of hype and no actual results. I think we will have something similar with the AI applications. People will start companies around it, treating it like this magical unicorn that can do anything without really understanding how it works. Companies will expect it to be a replacement for developers, investors will buy into crazy new startups that make bold claims about AI, and people will generally make wild claims about all the things it will do "sometime in the future". In the end, the bubble will burst, some good companies will come out of it, and people will start to use it for what benefits it provides without over-promising or over-selling it.

@@IAmTimCorey But just like the internet, it is likely to revolutionize the way we work. Imagine being able to program any tool/toolset you need on the fly. That could easily increase productivity in say CAD, by an order of magnitude... And that's if the program doesn't just spit out the 3d model itself, which it probably will. We could be talking about increasing productivity by 10,000%.

It is an association engine, of megalomaniacal proportions for sure but that does not infer it any capacity for self reflection to judge it's own conclusions from those associations. I'm sure such engines will eventually do absolutely fantastic things many of which we can't even see yet, I'm also equally sure that most of the hype around it currently is from people who either don't understand classical computing or the problem of computing a model for the nature of self reflection (got news, nobody really does) or worse neither. An advanced subject expert that is also expert at using such engines will become absolute super stars but someone who does not understand the nature of the engine or the subject will just clutter the world with random internet post 'knowledge' and falsified papers in every nook and cranny they stick their copypasta in.

Which is why it is helpful as long as you understand what it is doing. The biggest danger are the 8 that work after modification, since some of them work right away but are poor code patterns with bugs in them.

@@IAmTimCorey True, I noticed that

@@IAmTimCorey But it can't be worse than a junior or even mid level developer right? If you ask it to refactor a junior level code, the result is impressive. That alone would contribute towards "replacing" developers simply because there will be far less need for juniors. Hiring less (junior) devs means wage will come down and eventually programming will no longer be attractive career.

No, that’s always been the case. It doesn’t learn from users. It will give you a different answer to a question if you clear the history.

There are definitely ways to continue tweaking it to get a better answer. That wasn't the point. The point is that if you don't know the original answer is not right, you won't ask for a better answer. You need to understand the code that it creates. That was the point.

I do agree with @pavfrang. The internet will have to literally change (either update existing samples OR be flooded with better practices) in 5 to 10 years for this AI to recognize better practices.

I think that you can start the conversation by "configuring" the IA. You can try telling it, I'm working with C#, .net 7 and I want to use the latest best practices regarding .net and c# 11.". I didn't tried it but from the usage examples I've seen it's totally possible and also totally the goal of this IA to remember what are your preferences to answer respecting that.

It'll nudge some people towards not learning anything useful in their lives, lessening their life and it'll be wrong usually in the worst of ways, having no idea it is wrong but very sure of it's answers and incapable of creating complex or novel solutions without spending far more time micromanaging it instead of just writing it.

It is an amazing tool but be careful saying that it is close to perfection. It is definitely not perfect and won't be, and being not perfect but confident is actually more dangerous. It is going to be a game-changer, but it has its problems.

The issue is that the Random instance is generated with a starting seed. When you don't specify one, it is based off of the time when it is instantiated. If you instantiate two random instances with the same starting seed, they will create the same results. That means that your random values (which is pseudo-random in the first place) will be in sync with another set of random values. That could be a huge issue.

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You do realize this is a relatively new and still developing technology? Sure it's not going to be replacing any jobs right "now", but the future is looking very grim for developers.

This doesn't do a software developer's job. A software developer's job is not to write syntax. That is how they accomplish their job, but it isn't their job. A software developer's job is to create and implement logic. It doesn't matter if they do that in Assembly, C#, PowerBuilder, or in words. However they do it, it is a skills that is highly in demand and that demand is only getting greater (name an industry that isn't using technology now - even my plumber is web-connected and does quotes on his iPad). ChatGPT isn't creating logic. It will be a tool of developers, not the replacement for them.

This doesn't do a software developer's job. A software developer's job is not to write syntax. That is how they accomplish their job, but it isn't their job. A software developer's job is to create and implement logic. It doesn't matter if they do that in Assembly, C#, PowerBuilder, or in words. However they do it, it is a skills that is highly in demand and that demand is only getting greater (name an industry that isn't using technology now - even my plumber is web-connected and does quotes on his iPad). ChatGPT isn't creating logic. It will be a tool of developers, not the replacement for them.

​@@IAmTimCorey Yes, exactly... there is nothing which is 'looking grim' for software engineers. The primary skill for this field is not 'writing code' but problem solving and reasoning... and beyond that, *learning* of novel concepts. If one's skillset is only 'writing code' rather than 'problem solving', then one should worry regardless of AI because I will still toss you to the curb once you sit down for a real interview. Easily 90% of candidates end up less-than-satisfactory in this area anyways. ChatGPT is an impressive technology. For what it is. But one needs to understand what exactly it is. It is a language model, and a stochastic one at that. Its entire purpose is to be able to produce a believably human response based on its training data. As some have joked, it is a "malicious compliance" approach to the Turing Test. What is not happening behind the scenes is reasoning... inference... logic. ChatGPT (and any GPT-based model, for that matter) does not have any consideration of semantics under the hood, no deeper concepts, no idea of meaning, no definition of 'correctness'... and so on. It doesn't even 'reason' about the language it is using, but rather models, or imitates, the language it should use. (A quite excellent example of this would be a well-known RU-vid video, called "How English sounds to non-English speakers") It is a digital con-man, to put it quite crudely... Its goal is to output something that will make you believe it knows what it is talking about, without it ever knowing what it is talking about. It is lightyears away still from any notion of an artificial general intelligence which will actually be able to have and utilize knowledge in these kinds of ways, to a meaningful degree. And I will absolutely refuse this notion that "it's new technology and it's unrefined". This is the culmination of many years of work by many smart people within this field, it is neither untested nor unrefined; it is quite specifically THE refinement of many years of progress, standing on the shoulders of giants. Similarly, it is entirely unreasonable to say that "it will be able to do more if it just learns with more time" because there are very fundamental limitations to what this model can and cannot do; namely, limitations which arise from what it fundamentally is and is not. At this point, ChatGPT has become less of an AI experiment and more of a social experiment... one which unfortunately has accomplished two things: 1) it has shown that many humans are not qualified to conduct a Turing Test, and 2) it has shown that the field of AI is incredibly poorly understood by even a large population of developers/engineers. Its creators did not set out to create a 'con-man'... rather, it becomes that purely by virtue of the reactions which many humans have had towards it.

It will reduce Stack Overflow traffic for a while, but I think that will change back once people realize it isn't quite as smart as it thinks it is. As for replacing jobs, I don't think that will be the case. This does syntax really well (except when it doesn't), but that's not a developer's job. A developer's job is logic, and this doesn't really do logic.

@@IAmTimCorey You are correct. I tried using it for work yesterday and a bit today and if my job was to build a weather app this would be killer. Unfortunately, my job, and most software dev jobs are not that and the nuance of the application I work on in no way can be worked on by this. What it does do well is a lot of things I would search google for already and that of course doesn't give answers as much as it triggers ideas or alternate solution paths.

Thanks for the suggestion. Please add it to the list on the suggestion site so others can vote on it as well: suggestions.iamtimcorey.com/

It is shocking how many people don't know that you need to understand your code before using it. That's a major argument for using Entity Framework and it has been a major argument around ChatGPT.

@@IAmTimCorey Thank for the reply. Sure, I agree that warning signs and advises should be put on using AI for code generation. But after that, the question is what can experienced programmers and developers do with it. I mean I would also not allow the code from the first day of an intern to go online or be deployed without review either... But you are right, in that machine generated unchecked code sadly may become reality very soon. That is a real threat.

I agree with you. The thing is, though, that I don't think that is the end of the story. Other businesses will realize that this is a competitive advantage. They can move forward faster. Plus, other businesses will start adding developers to take on markets that were previously out of their reach.

And yet, it is only the beginning. I can only imagine how it'll be in ten years.

I purposefully found an example where it had a hidden bug. It writes great code a lot of the time. The key is to ask it for simple code and know what the code is doing. When it works on more complex code, the odds of it getting it (confidently) wrong are much higher.

I don't think the job will be code validation. That's going to be a part of it, but that's always been true. Think about this: what ChatGPT offers us is only different from Stack Overflow in one respect - time. In the past, if we got stuck we would ask SO for the answer. We would get a possible answer and then we would validate it. More often, we would look through previously-asked questions and get the answer to validate. Now we get it quicker (and spoiler: the answer probably comes from SO). But that isn't all there is to development. Development isn't about writing syntax. It is about deciding how to accomplish a task. That's not something that ChatGPT or others really address.

Thank you Tim for your reply, very good points. The human logic and reasoning is indeed complex for the current AI to comprehend and adopt but we also see an appetite for that too, which I totally understand. All of this is definitely mind blowing, so I fully understand the overall feelings and worries. At the same time AI is another great achievement, it’s now part of our lives, and we’ll have to learn how to live and work with it. Validation, information, automation but also inspiration when we look for instance at products like Adobe Firefly. Interesting times ahead for sure ☺️

The point wasn’t to tweak it and massage it into giving a good answer. The point was that it would give good looking, working examples that were wrong. Yes, if you know how to evaluate code and keep pushing it, it will give you a good answer usually.

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It is really impressive.

I think worse is that ChatGPT acts like a mind reader. It will create something that looks right but definitely is not right. I'm not at all concerned about it taking our jobs.

The specific engine is GitHub Copilot.

Absolutely.

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Here you go: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-dZSLm4tOI8o.html

@@IAmTimCorey Wow you are fast! Jk. Well just watched it and thanks, while I think I have made some decisions that rally increase the abstraction to a point where it's not needed I just wanted to see if I could just make it. And guess what, my code looks almost identically to yours! So I'm impressed by that, it actually mean I've learned a lot from watching your videos, which I really appreciate. Btw I'm from Mexico and hearing you say "hola mundo" was wholesome. So the Configuration of reading the connection string might not be as bad as I thought I did. It needs a few tweaks, because of how evil I think exceptions are. So, thanks again for this free content, because ofc as a mexican there's no way in hell I'd have the money to pay for one of your courses. But at least I'm learning useful stuff, that wasn't taught to me in college, and I'm a few days from graduating! But learning is on us, right?

@@IAmTimCorey Now I just need to know exactly when to use AddScoped, AddTransient, and AddSingleton, for now I have Scoped, as when playing when the configuration I had AddTransient and didn't work, but I think it was because of other reasons lmao, so then changed it to AddScoped and changed some stuff, and worked... lol.

That still doesn't sound like the right code. You shouldn't need a lock or the RNGCryptoServiceProvider. You just need to pull the instantiation out of the method.

It would be nice if it would provide sources.

It is absolutely going to have a major impact on the industry. You just need to know how to use it (and know its limitations).

The issue with sources is that it doesn't take from one source. It has crunched hundreds of sources to come up with that solution. Imagine if I had asked you to cite your source for an if statement. That's similar to what it is doing. While this is not the same as human intelligence, think of it in those terms. It has learned something and now it is using that learned knowledge. That's why attribution is so tricky.

We say this because we've seen this before. Also, we say this because we know how this technology works. It isn't inventing something. It is regurgitating what it found online. It is essentially Google with one very convincing result. You can already find almost any answer to a programming question on Stack Overflow, yet it hasn't replaced developers. We've had Intellisense and now Intellicode for years. I used an inline tool for Visual Studio that searched Stack Overflow and grabbed the code for the answer a decade ago. These tools are just that - tools. Just because someone invents a nail gun doesn't mean carpenters are out of business. It just means they don't have to do the repetitive work as much.

Unit testing isn't a silver bullet. You still need to write good code. For instance, unit testing would not find the bug in the random number code that I demonstrated. You are right that human developers can write bad code too. That's why code reviews are important.

Stopping midway through is a limiting factor of ChatGPT. Just ask it to continue and it will. It is just limited by how much text it can write at once.

@@IAmTimCorey thank you tim, I will try this next time.

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Yeah, it isn't very good at numbers or calculations.

GPT-4 is powerful and it can do a lot, but it still has the same issues as 3 (and 5 will have the same issues). I will definitely be doing more videos covering and using AI.

I saw it from the CEO on Twitter.

​@@IAmTimCorey Thanks, yea, It's a nice tool, and you think your video is on point, You can see how todo something quick and dirty but, it may not work at first time, and it may not be clean, efficient code, it may have bugs etc. But It can serve as a good starting point. I asked it to write Blender python code, to create a mandelbrot set 3d model procedurally and it did wrote most of the code correctly but than I fixed some bugs and it worket on the way I found how many small things, just by reading the code and trying it out.

It takes a while to learn how to ask it the right questions, but it can be really helpful. You just need to be careful to understand and test the output.

Tell it it’s wrong

Bro, if there is a voting system in place in the ai... it's a wrappp

@@XXXskilzXXX too many questions being asked for it to work.

They've started limiting these services because of the abuse.

It doesn’t have access to the Internet and it was trained on a model that mostly ended in 2021.