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Cheap vs Expensive Red Dots: What's the Difference?

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At SHOT Show this year I took some time to speak with Mike Branson of Gideon Optics (formerly of Primary ands and Swampfox). Mike's a friend and a true optics nerd, and I figured he could help give folks an understanding of some of the fundamentals of modern firearms optics. Today, we are going to talk about the differences between cheap and expensive red dots. Just what does a couple hundred bucks extra get you, and why?
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@GideonOptics2023 6 месяцев назад

"They lie. We know they are lying. They know that we know they are lying. But still they lie." From politics to marketing, we are drowning in happy friendly little lies right to our face. I'm so happy to see these comments and know that everyone else is as tired with that as I am. What if one company said, "We don't need happy little white lies to be successful? We could just sell a good product at a good price and that would be enough." Be the change you want to see, I guess. Thanks so much to Ian for giving me the opportunity to put our brand name in front of so many eyeballs. I'm hoping you'll see more from us on Forgotten Weapons soon! --Mike

@DAdamTrammell 6 месяцев назад

I'll be a future customer because of this video. Well played.

@dstark3383 6 месяцев назад

Appreciate your honesty - very refreshing! I am glad you mentioned your Omega emitter is now S Korea sourced rather than PRC. It's a damn shame we can't get value optics like yours US made.

@dominic7226 6 месяцев назад

Definitely gotta look through your website. I've been wanting to try out a reddot on my carry gun for a while but not wanting to spend to much money on my first one I was unsure what to go with. That interview might have put Gideon at the top of the list for me

@BA-oy9uo 6 месяцев назад

Mike this level of transparency and honesty makes me much more likely to consider buying one of your products. I found this interview very interesting and informative and I appreciate the time and effort you took to answer Ian's question.

@GideonOptics2023 6 месяцев назад

@@dstark3383 The first step is to get a clean room and start repairing things here. Then you start assembling products here. Then you start sourcing THIS piece and THAT piece from inside CONUS instead of overseas. Probably you never get to a truly 100% USA manufactured product where the metals to make the aluminum were mined here inside the USA. But just because you never reach the unreachable star doesn't mean you shouldn't take steps to move in that direction.

@314299 6 месяцев назад

That gentleman is refreshingly honest and BS free.

@arekkrol9758 6 месяцев назад

yea, the way how he speaks about his competition gives him a lot of credibility

@ganndeber1621 6 месяцев назад

Hes a buffoon

@tech6263 6 месяцев назад

I have asked him questions on line about his last company and I got an answer right away. Honest.

@bananas9809 6 месяцев назад

I just sent the link to some buddies. I used the word “refreshing” also. Really enjoyed that quick interview

@user-jv4ic8rh4d 6 месяцев назад

A vast wealth of knowledge and experience. What strikes me, this caliber of man is intentionally being prohibited and near impossible to achieve by the government. From poor education teaching to the lowest common denominator to incentivising companies to hire and promote by anything other then merit. How do I teach my 5yo son to rise to this level as a man? This caliber of ability in our nation is a rapidly dieing breed, in 10 the AliExpress special will be all you can get.

@CenlaSelfDefenseConcepts 6 месяцев назад

The fact that he was so brutality honest and said "my product isn't as good as the aimpoint but for my application I don't need it to be" was very refreshing

@1pcfred 6 месяцев назад

It's realistic. I see people with tools all the time and they're all like I need the best. They're not operating in any rarefied environment where they need the best. But if you got too much cash and that's how you want to blow it then have at it.

@SideBurn12 6 месяцев назад

Exactly. There's a difference between "best quality" and "the right quality". Most of the time civilians dont need the best quality.

@andrewallason4530 6 месяцев назад

@@1pcfredthat’s why tool companies have multiple brands within their company. You have a “I just need to put a screw in to hang this painting” brand, a DIY/weekend warrior brand, a non-professional regular user brand, and then you have the gucci professional / show-off / blow-hard / tox-tic-wannabe brand for 3x as much. It’s just a mix of marketing bullshit, brand recognition and price for purpose.

@1pcfred 5 месяцев назад

@@andrewallason4530 when I worked in a tool and die shop we only had the Gucci line. When this guy said 15% attrition I thought, as if. We threw stuff out like it was going out of style. With us on our flagship product it was more like 90%. But that shop was kind of a joke too. A really old guy owned the company and it was running down along with him. He was 84 when I worked there. So it was bizarro world.

@KrikZ32 5 месяцев назад

@@andrewallason4530 actually true to a lot of industries. toyota vs lexus, dell vs alienware, etc.

@ChandlerThomasvoon100 6 месяцев назад

“It’s not just as good” - I never thought id hear those words from a manufacturer. I appreciate the objectiveness

@anteshell 6 месяцев назад

"Our optics does... optics stuff." The guy's good at selling Aimpoints and Trijicons.

@irysh9 6 месяцев назад

@@anteshell When are you going to jump out of a plane, into water, with your optic? Never. You're exactly the guy he's making optics for...

@Sun-ut9gr 6 месяцев назад

@@anteshell The guy's good at selling his own product, actually. You buy what you need _and_ can afford. Don't be prissy. The 2 degree tolerance might bug me, but the man already said I can call up for a new one, and I can set up three of my guns for the price of a single Aimpoint. They may not be able to withstand -40c to 40c to -40 temp cycles or salt water like the milspec Aimpoint, but then I don't need that kind of robustness in a weekend plinker *or* my EDC. I'm a civilian, not urban fucking Rambo.

@vvvvvvvvvwvvvvw 6 месяцев назад

@@Sun-ut9gr " They may not be able to withstand -40c to 40c to -40 temp cycles or salt water like the milspec Aimpoint" Neither do I, so it doesn't matter

@anteshell 6 месяцев назад

Guys, look up. The point I made is somewhere there way over your head. :D

@joethearcticfox 6 месяцев назад

This is, by a wide margin, the most compelling sales pitch I have ever heard for an optics company. "Not the best but good enough for whatever YOU are going to do with it." Bravo to them, I'll remember this the next time I'm in the market.

@geometerfpv2804 5 месяцев назад

Truly? I left thinking I'll get a Holosun. Did you actually leave feeling that you personally want to buy one? There are Holosuns in this price range, and he openly admitted his QC is not good. Honesty is great, but business is business. I don't want to hear that your competitor is way more advanced than you.

@joethearcticfox 5 месяцев назад

@@geometerfpv2804 I'm not currently in the market for a new red dot, but I'm sure I will be at some point. When I am, I'll have a look and see how their prices compare. If I can get a holosun for the same price, I would get a holosun. If I can save a bit and still get the job I have for it done, why not?

@Dr.Shankenstein 5 месяцев назад

@@geometerfpv2804 if it's not trijicon it's Chinese 💩 so take scoopful and eat like the rest of us I run primary arms knowing it's cheap Chinese doo doo but it survives torture tests.

@jooger69 4 месяца назад

@@geometerfpv2804 He didn't say that their QC is worse. He just said that their tolerances are not as tight.

@rustyshackleford3053 3 месяца назад

@@geometerfpv2804 He didn't say it wasn't good, he just said it wasn't tight. He's not intentionally selling lemons he's just not being picky and if you get one you don't like he'll send you one that's more trammed up. And the price range is actually lower than holosun, I just picked up an Omega for $150 delivered and I can't find holosuns for under $200.

@IceNinja2007 6 месяцев назад

The explanation between being a legit operator, and a casual competition shooter, was perfect.

@Zayphar 6 месяцев назад

Most red dot shooters are not even competition shooters. They are just Saturday shooters.

@ninja393 5 месяцев назад

@@ZaypharOne Saturday a quarter shooters.

@ShrockWPS 5 месяцев назад

Yeah, good competition shooters put their gear through the paces. Not the physical extremes, but it has to hold pinpoint accuracy. I would be curious to see if it'd hold under those conditions as well.

@JakeCamo 5 месяцев назад

@@ShrockWPShe just said he’s trying to make B class, and I assume he’s running his own brand, so he’s def putting his through his paces (I’m coming from holosun)

@DSlyde 6 месяцев назад

I love it when businesses are honest about their position relative to their competitors. I dont expect a cheaper optic to give me top tier performance, we both know it won't, but if you help me set my expectations properly I'm going to be a lot happier with your product than if you promise me the moon and don't deliver.

@wurzel9671 6 месяцев назад

Honesty is based

@CharlesYuditsky 6 месяцев назад

Or sell you a gigantic stereo system and your pregnant girlfriend walks in.

@hoilst265 6 месяцев назад

There's something noble about product that does what it says on the tin.

@garywboisseau 6 месяцев назад

@@wurzel9671 Honesty is based? What does that even mean?

@ragesamuraix5498 6 месяцев назад

@@garywboisseau as in, “Honesty is awesome/something all should strive for”

@blue_ridge_shooting7668 6 месяцев назад

My favorite part was when he admitted he didnt know how much the big brands upcharge because of brand recognition and in order to do so, he'd have to have access to thier books. That's the only truly correct answer to that question and he just said it plainly and openly, which i genuinely appreciate. I want this guy to succeed

@flightparamedic505 5 месяцев назад

Me too. I want him to succeed and have this company grow. His honesty is appreciated and commendable. And, I learned some things from him that I previously didn’t know.

@VitalyMack 5 месяцев назад

I worked for years in the luxury automotive market, and I can tell you that the more expensive a car is the higher the markup percentage is not in just total dollars. And you can sell a Toyota for example below what the dealer cost is, but if you give a discount at all on some high end Land Rover, you can lose your rights as a dealer.

@vaderbuckeye36 4 месяца назад

I think a more interesting and informative question might be what his costs and markup might be if he were to make an optic aiming for similar quality to a trijicon or aimpoint

@TheDuckofDoom. 4 месяца назад

The better more economically sound wording is "How much of a premium are buyers putting on a brand's reputation?". No company can upcharge at will otherwise alliexpress would be selling $2000 red-dots.

@bebopwing1 6 месяцев назад

It's super refreshing to hear someone from a budget brand admit they're a budget brand.

@stephencolley334 6 месяцев назад

AND, explain why you may not honestly NEED the big name brand!😄😄😄

@1pcfred 6 месяцев назад

@@stephencolley334 yeah but you never really know when you have to halo jump and do an underwater insertion, now do you?

@reubensandwich9249 6 месяцев назад

@@stephencolley334The same reason why people buy sportscars or tune a regular car when the majority of roads are 25-55mph.

@bebopwing1 6 месяцев назад

I should have added this makes me more likely to buy their product, the fact that they're being honest about what it is

@alphacentauri1760 6 месяцев назад

@@1pcfredYou just need one high end set for your competition/duty/carry. The rest can be lower end to fit/test on different builds.

@BatCaveOz 6 месяцев назад

Alternate Title: Ian speaks with worlds most honest man

@WayStedYou 5 месяцев назад

"It ain't much but it's honest work"

@marvindebot3264 6 месяцев назад

You really have to appreciate an honest man.

@1pcfred 6 месяцев назад

Being that much cheaper than his competition he can easily afford to be.

@Kesssuli 6 месяцев назад

@@1pcfred About 80% quality for 30% of price. Usually being cheap and avaible is far better thing to have than best in class but because of price it is bit out of reach for many people.

@0num4 6 месяцев назад

There's a level of wisdom to admitting things that you don't know. I'd never heard of Gideon Optics before today, but I'd consider them in the future due to this gentleman's candor and honesty.

@Borderline5440 5 месяцев назад

You are certainly not the only one. I still have at least a few more to buy and will definitely be investigating these.

@flightparamedic505 5 месяцев назад

Well said. I agree completely.

@klitedrunner 6 месяцев назад

Possibly the most refreshingly honest guy at shot show. And he's absolutely right. Is my vector optics red dot as good as an rmr? No. Do i need it to be for my use case? Also no. Just knowing that has saved me many hundreds of dollars

@johnnyjoseph1389 6 месяцев назад

Vector is my favorite budget optic brand. My carry gun has a legit RMR on it but all of my range toys have various vector optics on them and not one is giving me any trouble.

@goofy851 5 месяцев назад

Same here. I see absolutely no reason to pay the price of the gun for a dot that will only ever be used at a range.

@brendanh8978 4 месяца назад

When I started shooting over 20 years ago, it was either pay for the good stuff, or get burned on the cheap stuff. Things have improved so dramatically, from quality to choice, it's almost hard to buy a terrible optic today. Have to love the free market. First red dot I bought was a Bulgarian open red dot sight. Every time I pulled the trigger (5.56), the recoil would kill the power. I'd have to turn it back on, cycle through the reticle options to get the one I wanted, then repeat the process. That was a $200 something dollar optic too, in early 2000s dollars.

@DiggingForFacts 5 месяцев назад

This man once again proves that the best and most refreshing thing a company owner/rep can be is honest and open.

@AutomaticJack 5 месяцев назад

Absolutely the best possible advertising Gideon could have done. Mike knows his value proposition and can articulate quickly and clearly without any hedging or weasel words.

@carlettoburacco9235 6 месяцев назад

This person perfectly understood what are the worst mistakes you can make in marketing: belittling good competitors and overvaluing your product. The example of the operator who jumps from a plane is "on target" to explain this. Customers who can believe "My product is the best of the best and the cheapest" can only believe you once but time and reality are the enemy, especially today with the amount of information available. The truth pays. By the way: I've seen the most expensive Aimpoints put on airsoft used only for plinking in the garden......... because it's the best. Some people have more money than brains.

@daveh7720 4 месяца назад

"Some people have more money than brains." Or as Grandma used to put it: "More dollars than sense."

@mrwellgun 6 месяцев назад

I usually don’t like to watch those shot show floor interviews, but that was suuuuper interesting, that guy really knows his stuff, thanks for the great video Ian ! ❤

@billynomates920 6 месяцев назад

ditto!

@goofy851 5 месяцев назад

Same. Everyone always speaks like a salesperson that thinks their product is the best shit since sliced bread, making the who ordeal unwatchable, but not this guy. Completely honest dude who knows his product isn't as good as those of top brands' but also has no reason to be because the average Joe will only ever use it at a range.

@daveh7720 4 месяца назад

I like that Ian just let him talk, too. The guy was on a roll but he stayed on track.

@JC-fk7jm 6 месяцев назад

I didn’t expect this interview to go this way it’s amazing to see the honesty here basically saying yah we’re the okest and that’s ok. This actually made me consider there optics

@dark2023-1lovesoni 6 месяцев назад

Same. I'd much rather buy an admittedly mid-grade optic from an honest company, than the "best" optic of unknown actual quality.

@j.e.pedersen9615 6 месяцев назад

That man is a business man and not just a seller with his mind on the bottom line. And how nice that he in simple words can explain convoluted answers. I wish for guys like him will do well in the industry

@Kesssuli 6 месяцев назад

In todays market there is always place for thatkind of salesman who actually knows their target audience.

@VincitOmniaVeritas7 6 месяцев назад

The most honest Shot Show interview I’ve ever seen. Kudos to the seller and for Ian for being cordial with his line of questions that manufactures usually are uncomfortable to answer.

@cubeflinger 6 месяцев назад

Tactleneck and waistcoat. Archer would be proud.

@CharlesYuditsky 6 месяцев назад

Could give Lindy Beige a run for his money?

@xoxo2008oxox 6 месяцев назад

Just needs a timepiece on a chain...to improve those runs!

@theaikidoka 6 месяцев назад

Rolled sleeves too. Now THIS is the 'smart but practical' look I need. Begone hoody and cargo pants!

@Simp_Zone 5 месяцев назад

These Odin dicks! "Where did you get your turtleneck, the turtleneck store?"

@26declanjones 5 месяцев назад

The fake mustache indicates a possible honey pot operation.

@survivaloptions4999 6 месяцев назад

That is the best, most honest ad for both Aimpoint and Gideon I've ever heard. You've earned my business and respect. Hats off, sir.

@jackdundon2261 5 месяцев назад

But, do ALL RED DOTS mount to ANY PLATE? I have a Leupold still in a box, because it doesn't mount to the ONLY plate available to for my Ruger 5-7. I am still pissed 1000.00 Sitting on a shelf, for a gun, I never fired because there is NO STANDARDS in mounting. (The most basic problem-- has that been fixed)???

@pedrodepacas-ic1cb 5 месяцев назад

Q: Why did the pirate have a steering wheel in his pants? A: It's driving me nuts!

@robertellis6853 5 месяцев назад

@@jackdundon2261there are some standards, but its not universal, you need to still research whether it will fit your gun or not.

@kevinb4362 6 месяцев назад

Really appreciate the honesty in this video. Thanks Mike for being a straight shooter (pun intended)

@Fusildechasse 6 месяцев назад

Great to see Mike on your channel! Many years ago he and my wife and I and 10 others attended a carbine class together..in a corn field in Kansas with a torrential downpour of rain it was close to becoming a maritime event 🤣... good times were had that weekend!

@GideonOptics2023 6 месяцев назад

Wait... were you and your wife running his-and-hers Kalashnikovs that weekend? If so, it's been over ten years but I still remember you!! I remember thinking you guys were "couple goals" and guess what, years later my amazing wife and I are becoming firearms instructors together, so I got my wish!

@Fusildechasse 5 месяцев назад

@GideonOptics2023 hahaha... yep we were running our 74's...

@wassermelones4656 5 месяцев назад

@@GideonOptics2023 my pp dont work ):

@mtnbound2764 6 месяцев назад

that little bit of info about holosun was REAALLY interesting.

@ronaldmasterbud1551 5 месяцев назад

Ditto !!!

@PropanePeter 6 месяцев назад

Mike is reason I bought into Swampfox. He was the oil that kept their social media running

@GldenRetriever 6 месяцев назад

Same. great dude and wouldn't have gotten my arrowheads if he wasn't there.

@jackdundon2261 5 месяцев назад

But, can I mount THEIR Red dot, to ANY PLATE? (THAT mounts to any pistol).

@GldenRetriever 5 месяцев назад

@@jackdundon2261 There is no red dot that fits any plate that mounts to any pistol. Don't be dumb.

@jameskilpatrick7790 6 месяцев назад

Gideon Optics is now a manufacturer I plan to keep strongly in mind. Great interview, and a very strong argument!

@LinkedAssassin 5 месяцев назад

The MP5 being swiped from the table at 0:56 had me 😂

@jordanvinroe2861 5 месяцев назад

😂😂 I've had to replay that multiple times

@Edweird2w1 6 месяцев назад

I really respect the level of honesty this guy puts forward, very much makes me consider them ahead of peers

@berryreading4809 6 месяцев назад

The most honest public conversation at a company shotshow booth of all time? Probably... It's refreshing to hear such an experienced industry individual be so open and honest about insights of the optic market, of which basically nobody else will... Sounds like the type of business I'd like to support, well atleast when I don't HALO jump into an over the beach underwater insertion to access my local range where I blast away 100rds of the cheapest FMJ available at cardboard! 😂👍This was a great video.

@CalzaTheFox 6 месяцев назад

I've heard of Mike in passing, but good to put a name to a face. Also, I appreciate the candid approach. Owning your product for what it is, what it can and can't do, is respectable.

@lkjhlkhj 6 месяцев назад

Great interview, this guys candor about what to realistically expect from their dots is refreshing.

@straypicasso26 6 месяцев назад

I’ll probably buy an optic from them just to try out after this interview. Crazy how refreshing honesty is.

@jB-uw8fi 5 месяцев назад

My man was like, “Quit buying Ferraris when you know you’re not a race car driver. Stick to the pickup because that’s what works for you.”

@ttalvit1e 4 месяца назад

That's actually really good analogy. And you will be happier with the pickup. You have more money for other things etc. I usually have bought the "ferraris" just to impress friends and other nonsense reasons. Luckily I have matured a little in that sense. Just buy what works for you and your budget. And respect your buddies budgets also.

@stefthorman8548 Месяц назад

actually the analogy was about not buying the pick up, when you only need an sedan

@theevenstevenchannel8220 6 месяцев назад

You'd think being too honest like that would be a problem, but I very much appreciated his openness.

@stephencolley334 6 месяцев назад

UNFORTUNATELY, many/most companies will fire an employee for this kind of honesty!😪😪😪

@dark2023-1lovesoni 6 месяцев назад

As a practitioner of radical honesty, I deeply appreciate seeing others with similar core values. I don't generally expect others to embody my own beliefs, and I'm not going to hate others for failing to meet my admittedly high bar. But, when I DO occasionally see/encounter others practicing similar levels of honesty, it's incredibly endearing. I've been considering a red dot for my MP5K, and I'm now going to seriously consider his products as well. Primarily just because of this interview and what I saw in it.

@punker6506 6 месяцев назад

Love how honest this guy is. Hope gideon optics is successful. With an owner like this they should be.

@ThailandOutsider 6 месяцев назад

The zip neck long sleeve plus waistcoat is an epic combo 🔥🔥🔥

@CharlesYuditsky 6 месяцев назад

Wonder if Lindy Beige feels challenged?

@rifles_up2263 6 месяцев назад

I’d love to get a hold of a couple of those Aimpoints with the one degree cant that went trash

@jacktingle215 6 месяцев назад

Cool. I'm a mechanical engineer with [mumble] years of experience. You just got the straight word. On my camera with the long lens, I don't use a Holosun or even an Olympus. I use $38 of Amazon sight + camera mount adapter. Reason? I don't jump out of C-17s & there is no firing shock from a camera shutter. If I wanted a pistol sight, I'd be looking at Gideon.

@andylobien1374 6 месяцев назад

This is amazingly honest and informative.

@stormshot119 6 месяцев назад

I love how authentic this guy is. I think I will be picking a Gideon up

@petee454 6 месяцев назад

Completely appreciate the honesty. Cool dude. Thanks for this video.

@danielmoniz9754 6 месяцев назад

This might be the most honest sales pitch i have ever seen... bravo. I will check out his company for future optics purchases for sure. We have similar use cases

@maximusjoseppi5904 6 месяцев назад

This guy was very likeable and honest. The stark contrast between this owner interview talking about his products and TFB's interview with Kevin the owner of Q 🤣🤣

@SGCXD 6 месяцев назад

Straight up honesty like that will always serve you well.

@stephencolley334 6 месяцев назад

Until the company owner/CEO (aka money/profit/bonus hungry jerk) catches you and fires you!😥😥😥

@fonesrphunny7242 6 месяцев назад

@@stephencolley334If I was the CEO, I'd give this man a raise. Why? Because he made it very clear why you don't need a 700$ optic if you just go plinking on the weekend. When your business focuses on budget solutions that are good enough, this is how you get new customers.

@JR15A2 6 месяцев назад

I appreciate his honesty.

@someperson5001 6 месяцев назад

Amazing video. Mike Branson was so humble and appeared to be level headed and honest to a fault. I’d love to see more discussion with him or topics like this!

@ed5042 6 месяцев назад

I cannot tell you how much I appreciated this interview. This guy is a RELIEF to hear from. Just because of this video I am now looking at Gideon.

@TeletubbiesRcute 6 месяцев назад

Awesome guy, awesome business ethics, awesome honesty

@stephencolley334 6 месяцев назад

Roger that!😀 You hit the nail on the head!😀 ETHICS!!!😃😃 Sorely missed in todays world! 😢😢😢😢

@swampscott2670 5 месяцев назад

Simple: if there is a US or European made alternative, buy that. I’m not going to put some Chinese made stuff on my fine German guns.

@lindellsiler5994 6 месяцев назад

Shooting straight and speaking the truth. What more can you ask for. That is why I love this channel.

@user-fd7tl4xg6y 6 месяцев назад

Man, I RESPECT the honesty and transparency from this guy! Definitely gonna give his products a look!

@torpedo58 6 месяцев назад

WOW!! How refreshingly honest!! I will look at his products the next time I am looking for an optic, just based on his candid remarks in this video! 👍👍

@tsogid 6 месяцев назад

Love how he's refreshingly honest and free of all those marketing bs.

@michaelwhite9199 6 месяцев назад

Good subject. It’s refreshing to hear such frank answers from a company. The shooting industry has way too much hype in marketing its products.

@stephencolley334 6 месяцев назад

Definitely agree!🙂 Too much "we ARE the BEST"! Honest comparison of features, with truth of WHY yours is better (for MY needs/application)!😯 Just might get you an on the spot sale! 😃😃😃

@MacDorsai 6 месяцев назад

Fantastically honest, informative and logical! Mission drives the gear. If you aren't doing SEAL missions, do you need their gear or do you just want it? Very refreshing. I also liked the point that when you buy the tier 1 optics, you aren't just paying for the one in your hand, you're also paying for the ones that would work, but those that for whatever reason didn't pass the specs (such as reticle cant).

@paemt6220 6 месяцев назад

Thank You for just being honest, it's refreshing.

@UniversalBrow09 6 месяцев назад

Best of luck to this guy, I very much appreciate his candor.

@24kachina 6 месяцев назад

WHOA!!! An honest, candid, extremely well informed vendor at an exhibition - leave it to Gun Jesus to find a breath of fresh air. I fall mostly into the "2 degree canted reticle is just fine" camp for recreational target shooting. I have a Leupold DPP on my Glock 34. It's great, but i also have a $59 Amazon reflex knock off on my plinking AR. The latter works just fine for my use.

@fabianmaryanowski2252 6 месяцев назад

Honest salesman! Wish him the best!

@LDR1100RS 5 месяцев назад

This is the best 10 minutes on commercial optics I've ever seen. Thank you Mike!

@ssneg 6 месяцев назад

Thank you for honesty and being so down to earth! Having good enough stuff helps me invest more into other critical areas.

@srooster4410 6 месяцев назад

i like this guys honesty and explanations.

@mrtlsimon 6 месяцев назад

I've received a Gideon Optics Judge and it had served its purpose as the optic on my competition 22lr pistol and I've moved it over to my 22LR rifle.

@Will-W 5 месяцев назад

This is the type of guy that is a pleasure to do business with. He's refreshingly honest.

@mattw1730 6 месяцев назад

Excellent interview, THANKS IAN and the FW Team!

@GriffXJ 6 месяцев назад

We need more honesty and straightforward facts from companies like this. These guys are awesome!

@1pcfred 6 месяцев назад

Nothing he said is anything anyone shouldn't already know. Specs is what drives costs up. Reaching specs is an exponential climb too. You're always getting diminishing returns. To make something twice as good it costs 10 times as much. Sometimes it's worse than that.

@warrenpeace0 6 месяцев назад

Fantastically interesting to hear someone being so honest about his products. I'm very curious to see his work now.

@citruscollins 6 месяцев назад

Outstanding candid, direct and fairly comprehensive answers! Much appreciated.

@mitchelljordan447 6 месяцев назад

I love that guy! Lmao by far the most honest & open optic conversation iv seen. The transparency makes me want to support the company by trying a dot on my next casual fun build

@richardhoare9963 6 месяцев назад

What a delight that interview was. Honest and to the point. Thanks.

@ElChris816 6 месяцев назад

It was an amazingly honest interview and I found it to be refreshing. I’m definitely going to check his stuff out.

@quintonb9870 6 месяцев назад

Wow. I've never seen an interview/q&a like that before. I hope his honesty pays dividends.

@ck2503 6 месяцев назад

Dude knows his stuff! Always thought holosun had the best looking dots but now I know why. Thanks!

@ArchetypeofMan 5 месяцев назад

I have a Gideon Optics Alpha on my LTT M9A3 and I LOVE it. Mike is an awesome guy and I wish nothing but the best for him and Gideon!

@tommytwotacos8106 Месяц назад

That level of honesty in the commercial world is quite refreshing. He's just won my respect and business.

@steven1365 6 месяцев назад

Again it’s management of expectations We have so many options that it’s pick your use and there will be a optic for that task

@Jack-wp4eh 6 месяцев назад

Cool and honest conversation bout the real world differences. Its refreshing to get a lil honesty

@stevenveltrie1868 6 месяцев назад

Great interview. No BS just facts from a design expert. Refreshing to hear his honesty!!

@keyrat401 6 месяцев назад

Honesty , It's so refreshing to hear the truth from a company.

@jamesdouglas8760 6 месяцев назад

Great interview, informative and to the point. As with Cars, Boats, Planes, etc. some are collectors, of the best. Trophies, never used, but worth tons. There are those that have taken, and used lesser like kind with outstanding results, in the end it all comes down to, the driver, who's behind the stick, who can command a crew, and who is behind the trigger. I see more people that are more than 2% off daily and they seem to be doing just fine. Thanks Ian and Mike.

@stephencolley334 6 месяцев назад

As you implied, that tricked out $7,000 rifle will only perform as well as YOU can make it!😏😏😏

@user-ms7cq6jk3j 6 месяцев назад

Appreciate the honesty... Thank you.

@heeebeeegeeebeee 5 месяцев назад

In a sea of Shot Show pitches ... this was one of the most refreshing interviews I've heard from an equipment manufacturer in years!

@clocksurfer 6 месяцев назад

I appreciate honesty and candor.

@darthhodges 6 месяцев назад

Regarding whether name brand optics charge extra for the name on the side I can give you one example where it definitely happened. Sig has been making more and more of their optics in the US instead of China but when most of them still were Chinese they had the same return address as Holosun (I work for an internet retailer that sells both). Sig optics used to be made in the same building as Holosun optics but cost more. I don't remember by how much, though.

@grantcox4764 6 месяцев назад

Made in the same building and made the same aren't always the same thing tho.

@stephencolley334 6 месяцев назад

@@grantcox4764 CORRECT!🙂 Different specifications from different brands CAN equal major differences in quality and price!😲 I worked in aerospace for 20+ years as a quality specialist. I saw this exact thing several times.😢 Sometimes you get what you pay for, sometimes you don't . 🥴🥴🥴

@LobotomizeMeCapn 5 месяцев назад

That was so refreshing. Somebody who knows their shit that is willing to tell it how it is. Full transparency and talking to us as if he was us, making a decision on the customer's end. Baller

@martinlag3234 6 месяцев назад

I really liked his no BS attitude and I hope I'll find some Gideon products in Sweden soon 😃

@Rusty_Spiggle-Smith 6 месяцев назад

I work in supply chain management for an aerospace company and can confirm the prices of qc and administrative waste are baked in as much as possible and it’s a constant push to quantify these kinds of expenses and bill our sub component suppliers who then turn around and raise their prices causing us to raise our prices. This kind of cander in a buisness model is a great idea. He’s right I don’t need aimpoint quality or the latest and greatest emitters for my purposes. I will be buying one of his optics soon.

@Whitecat76 6 месяцев назад

I love everything about this guy and I've been liking his Optics I hope he blows up big time ❤❤❤❤

@trooperdgb9722 5 месяцев назад

I more or less "fell" into using Holosun dots, based on AVAILABILITY more than anything... and at my age I just love the "Circle and Dot" option on my 507K's... It's interesting to hear an industry insider confirming my very amateur , rather high opinion of those sights!

@russeljohn3471 5 месяцев назад

Refreshingly honest and no BS. Can we have more of him on the channel please?

@DoctorBeans92 5 месяцев назад

Incredibly refreshing to see a "start-up" not blowing smoke up their own ass. He seemed genuinely excited and pleased to have a platform to talk about his company! Kudos! I am certainly going to buy one or more of these this year; just because I found this video by Ian.

@craigslue 4 месяца назад

Wow, a nice honest guy. Makes me want to buy something from him. Need more people like him.

@johnjakejoebob9465 6 месяцев назад

Soo I am now interested in Gideon optics

@diegoeduardonunez7097 5 месяцев назад

New marketing strategy: tell the truth. This guy is awesome.

@gnsmk357 6 месяцев назад

Worth the squeeze. Great interview. Great Video.

@littlerobinson7517 6 месяцев назад

I like his honesty and explanations. I haven't heard of his company before but I'm gonna look into it now!

@frankbrowning328 6 месяцев назад

I have a Trijicon RMR and a Holosun 507 K and I greatly prefer the Holosun as the dot looks better to my eye and I can have the dot within the circle reticle and the plain dot. Yes, if you're in the military or will be doing the same basic routine then definetly buy Trijicon or Aimpoint. However, for the consumer look at everything in your price category.

@JoshuaLTRyan 6 месяцев назад

Good points all. A very respectable and sensible perspective.

@triggercrysisjames142 5 месяцев назад

Gideon Optics just sold me on making a few purchases from them on my next build. The brutal honesty and focusing on the things that truly matter when producing optics to keep the cost down is definitely needed in the industry of optics. I expect great things from this company in the future. I'm willing to give them a shot.