Its called SoCal Chumps for a reason! It’s unfortunate that we had to lower our standards and stoop down to SoCals level of playing Speedsoft…none of you guys call shit and your refs are bias af so teams from NorCal have no other choice but to say fuck it and play you guys at your own game! Y’all suck bro, get out of your bias home field and come play up North at SacCounty and let’s see how good you guys really are! And your right cheatin ass teams are ruining this sport and cheatin ass teams are forcing good clean teams to play accordingly but that’s why we usually stick to playing NSL up North! All good though talk your shit tough guy! 🫡
I don't know how I didn't see this yesterday 😂. I also don't know how you can even begin to try and dispute unedited rounds showing what happened. Gaslight harder.
My local field straight up told us “if someone is cheating, what do we do?” everyone said “shoot them? Report them?” then the Ref said “That’s right! Full Auto them!
To be honest I used to play airsoft with a group of people every Sunday at my local fields but the blatant cheaters have ruined it for me and my friend. We took many breaks and tried to get back into it, but the cheaters only got worse. The fields we went to stopped caring about them and even stopped doing events. So now I just have all the guns I've spent thousands on just sitting in my room. I have been wanting to get back into it again but just don't want to deal with the nuisance of cheaters.
I mostly play private games. Who'd cheat in a team of friend's organized game and get banned from every field and every game of every other team that knows us? It also helps that every team in my city organizes their own private games and invite each other. The field owners are friends of ours too, and sometimes we go to open games so people ask why we have our own equipment and how we deal with cheaters and we invite them to the chat group where we organize the private games. Also we call cheaters "highlanders" here because they are immortal. I'm sure gen z doesn't know the movie reference but they call them highlanders as well because of us. And we call beginners "kits" because they are using a field kit (a mask, glasses, a stock ar-15 with a high cap full of 0.2g bbs (they can refill for free) and in some fields they also give them a vest).
I remember when I started playing back in 2009' and the general consensus was that airsoft is played on an "honor system", where if you got hit and KNOW you got hit, then you'd call yourself out. I think with the rise in competitive airsoft, cash prizes and teams wanting to be #1, the "honor system" seems to be dead. Alot of teams now blatantly don't call their hits, claiming it's the referees job to call them out. And then this spills over into pub games and now it just seems like cheating is a huge problem compared to the past. Glad there's a video addressing this shit. I feel like the vibe of airsoft has changed with this new age mentality of not calling hits.
My thing is I wear old Russian shit and a weighted vest to airsoft, and I'm mostly just there for the workout and meeting people. I get shot often, and it is what it is. My helmet makes a mettalic ding when I get hit too, which is kind of funny.
The writing was on the wall for "speedsoft" from the beginning. As a semi-competitive paintball player let me explain. Speedsoft is trying to emulate tournament paintball (for the most part) without the use of, well, paint. If you ask tournament paintball players what one of the biggest problems with tournament paintball is they will say cheating. The tool that helps prevent cheating, and more clearly identify hits is the paintball (alongside reffing). While the paintball isn't a perfect tool it still help immensely when identifying a hit player. Oh you didn't get hit? What is this huge bright residual splatter and shell doing here then? Speedsoft literally takes away one of the most valuable tools for keeping order in paintball and then tries to emulate the game. It's just creating the perfect environment for cheating.
Honestly most of what I hear the problem with tournament paintball is the cost. Anyone over D4 is spending $10k or more a year to compete. I'm playing D6 beginner and D5 tourneys this year and I'll hit $4000-5000 this year on paintball.
@@CoryMp3 i play D6 going into D5 and the way our camp did it was have everyone pay 75 a month in team dues and then just cover hotel/airbnb for tournys and honestly hasnt been terrible cost wise, i can understand as a kid maybe but even then we have a 16 year old on our team and his mom covers his costs hahaha
I have personally seen that players that have joined the hobby after 2020 are more prone to cheating. I want new people in the hobby, absolutely, but the toxicity and cheating that they bring is unacceptable
I think it’s kids with no respect who just somehow got the money for expensive gear and just started playing, those of us who have played for years at our felids know to respect them
More and more people like this ruining the fun. Had a group of 3 people mag dump me at my local indoor field. They go around and purposely get themselves banned from arenas doing that stuff. I pressed criminal charges on the 2 that were adults, not putting up with that (full auto indoors is against the rules, etc).
Woohwowh" a dam pressing charges for magdumping that's pretty much ova kill man..they broke the rules not the law so gud luck wit dat 1 ...😮...nit, saying it was sumthing that I think is OK..I'd rather handled that ii lil different...OH I don't kno' let's say maybe I find y in the parking lot or may fallow u to wer ur going after the game ya kno DIFFERENTLY 😅
"MSK -45" Dawg you would think that having so many penalties you're 200 points behind the other guys and in the negative you would stop trying to fucking cheat.
Great video and message, love the action scenes at the beginning. At my field we get a lot of „I didn’t feel anything“ - it’s so ridiculous that I immediately turn around and walk back to respawn if I see certain players. No need to waste any BBs and gas on them, since they never call.
Had a few of these terminators show up to one game, we just said fuck it and walked off, went to the rest zone and ordered a pizza. Within a few games the cheaters were the only guys on the field, everyone else had joined us lol. Refs refused to kick them out so we just loaded up and went home, got our computers, did a LAN night instead. After a few more sessions of this shit at different fields I sold my airsoft guns, bought a Steam Deck, and just do LANs. I'm out of the game for good. I miss it but the cheating is completely out of control.
@@trippler91 No, paintball is a bit easier to measure when it comes to hits because of the paint as evidence. Some airsofters have a hard time accepting hits and constantly argue, so I said they should play paintball because it is competitive and harder to lie about being hit. Also they’re gonna feel that .68 cal more than a bb so they can’t say they didn’t feel the hit
@Gsea101 as sole one who comes from paintball and moved to airsoft I totally agree some people need to learn how to calm their hits and paintball its much harder to get away with it
@@PraetorUA that could work, but even if a cheater unmistakably feels the shot, they may deny being hit. Leftover paint gives refs a slight advantage because it can be wiped off only so fast
I tend to notice that indoor fields are very prone to cheating and rage, ive played outdoors at my local field in the UK for a while and other than a couple trigger happy rentals overshooting from range, there have never been major incidents when ive played.
It's field to field from what I find. I have 2 great indoor fields with low cheaters. I'm in the Pittsburgh area and we have a decent enough local scene to where the fields don't have to worry about banning cheaters. You cheat round here you're out of the sport real quick.
the refs in paintball are a bit more attentive and have evidence of a hit 99% of the time. the penalties make cheating not worth it at all and they catch it ALOT of times. thats mainly why paintball keeps my interest over airsoft
As someone coming from the tournament Paintball days of the 00s and 2010s, cheaters were such a problem and that was with basically 1 ref per player, marking ammo and a more painful shot. I can't even imagine how to stop this in competitive airsoft
HELLO YOU ARE MY FAVORITE AIRSOFT RU-vidR YOU GOT ME INTO AIRSOFT idk why I am in caps I just wanted to be noticed cause you are my favorite RU-vidr overall
@@vDontHxteMe same here, they take that very seriously. There were instances that I didn’t even know I got hit and they pulled me. They do their job very well
I played a tournament in germany, i wasnt playing 2 months because i had an injury. So we went there as cold players and gone out with the second place, i never met so much cheaters and people who doesnt call their hits. After this day for me personally the speedsoft scene died. Now im playing with my friends and not looking for NSL or something, because the cheating is definetly ruining the sport.
I straight up quit playing professional SXL cause the cheating was so bad. Not only that but the referees were horrible, they would make calls on stuff that never happened, or not make calls on stuff that clearly did happen, it’s a shame what happening to professional airsoft
I don't know much about competitive airsoft, but this doesn't really surprise me, the idea of doing competitions in a sport where it's so easy to cheat is absurd imo, I have a hard time understanding why this even exist when paintball is so much better suited for competition, and with the airsoft guns used in these competitions being so close to paintball guns, I don't really understand why people who want competition don't just play with paintball guns.
I’m so happy this was said. East Coast SpeedQB is just “who got away with it more” or “who didn’t get caught”. Sadly a video like this isn’t going to change anything because when cash prizes and other things are on the table, honor goes out the window. As a player and Ref and have both experienced and seen it happen. It’s sad that it plagues the community so harshly because this style is so much fun to play. It makes me wanna play paintball just to really get a feel for more fairer matches. However airsoft is way cheaper than paintball and also something i have played a lot longer.
As someone who plays Speedball (Paintball) competitively, this was an issue that we all knew the competitive airsoft scene was going to have problems with. It's hard to ref when there isn't a visible splat or mark to obviously show someone is hit. I hope you guys can find a solution to this quick before it becomes a bigger problem.
Hear me out, lightweight competition suits with panels of coloured, thermoplastic gels between a clear vinyl sheet and a more rigid backer. Panel gets shot and the gel displaces, making any strikes noticeable.
Not going to lie bro this video just reminded me why I stopped doing air soft because to begin with. It’s so sad that people just can’t be honest here. I loved tac city but ngl some of regulars were hella toxic and just flat out cheated.
I have many questions for anyone who does play in tournaments because I’m curious on how some parts of them work, with that here are my questions, 1. Do they have like an over head recording to see if the player has been hit or something along those lines, or do refs just have watch very carefully? 2. Tracers are required correct? 3. Why do you think people cheat , like what do you think motivates them to cheat
I'm a little late, but a thing about airsoft is the fact that it may be more realistic, but people will cheat, if you want less cheaters turn to paintball, its a faster pace, and just less cheaters due to the fact its hard to hide a huge splatter of paint on your jersey that you can't wipe off without a washing machine.
Entire community took a nosedive even out in Texas, Rhode Island, and Tampa. Cali is the only place I didn't play but it didn't seem any better. Over half of our speed teams left the scene in Texas and most went to paintball funny enough.
@@ValiantAirsoft this is ginger in case that wasn't obvious lol. Yeah I suggest y'all crack down soon otherwise it might go the same way as the Awaken speed teams and most just get tired of it and leave.
I think starting to do what competitive paintball does where if someone’s you know shooting you from behind for instance, and you even just turned your called out I think that would start to quell some of the “” trades.
always wanted to play comp airsoft but i stick to paintball due to the amount and how easy it is to cheat at airsoft, so i play airsoft as a hobby and paintball as a sport because of it
I tried getting into competitive airsoft coming from competitive paintball and my first tournament I realised it wasn’t viable as a sport, it’s entirely honesty based. If people want to win they will lie
Yo, is that Tac City in Fullerton? If so, last time I went, there were so many cheaters and many of them were buddy buddy with the refs. nearly killed my love of the sport
install cameras that can see most if not all angles, and record at a good enough quality to see hits/bbs. That way if anyone accuses any one else of cheating, whether it be genuine accusations or coping then you can just, idk, watch the footage.
It mean outside of being cheaper and cleaner I do not see the appeal. This is just a copy of paintball. The callouts, the HPA tanks on the guns, the people trying to play on, The layouts, it just feels like a copy. I was taken aback watching this speedsoft for the first time. All the gear is paintball. Its honestly kinda funny.
i don't compete myself, but have been getting really tired, people not calling their hits is just unfair, yeah you might have a vest on and not feel a thing, but you can definetely hear it...
This happens a lot in paintball too. Apparently(They won't admit it) but they practice how to swipe/move against the bunkers to smear paint off from a hit to try and fool refs, it's legitimately part of the sport apparently. I hate the concept and airsoft not leaving actual paint on you makes it even harder to police/ref as you mentioned in the beginning of the video.
happens alot less now a days. The rate of fire is so high in paintball, its typically pretty hard to wipe. I mean it happens but not like it did in 2002-2008.
Youre a wizard with that hi capa man, sick gameplay. Shame that the sport cant be taken as serious as it would like to be with all this shit muddying the waters. I garantee you and your team would kick ass at a speedball tourney too.
Shit I am almost 40 now. Used to play a ton of paintball back in the day here in Texas when I was like 13-17 years old. Started to see alot of the same stuff in local fields all around the Houston area. Really turned me off to the whole hobby as far as playing with ramdoms. Luckily I lived on 4 acres that was all overgrown. Eventually I just started doing my own thing with a group of 8 or 10 friends on the weekend and make our own little paintball field over the 4 acres. Shit I still remember the blue autococker with the halo feeder and the nitrogen setup I had. It was fun as hell. Then I grew up lol. Work.
Its not that i hate speedsoft because i like the “cosplay” “milsim” side of airsoft more. But i just dont understand introducing competition in a sport based on fairplay. When you are competing you mindset is not being fairplay its only winning at all cost. So or they invent something that makes it black or white (like paint with paintball or i dont know someghing electric or induction) or speedsoft is never really going somewhere.
Over 20 years ago, a friend and I were looking to get into Airsoft, and when we did research online, 90% of the videos we saw were of people overshooting, playing on, cheating, and fighting. It made us try paintball; to this day, we have no regrets. Paintball will have some of the same issues but on a much smaller scale. Way too many wannabe thugs with bad parents in Airsoft
I'm in the process of selling everything, too many idiots in this hobby. Just couldn't bear it anymore and after 4 clubs and 6 fields in 4 years i quit. Here in italy is horrendous
Cheaters are going to cheat no matter what. Reffing will just have to get better. But the calling someone out is just cringy af. Get the f*ck out, Ref I hit him way back there, and I shot him ref reminds me of the paintball days. Refs need to get better and be on top of pulling people that won't call it themselves. If the ref calls him out you won't need to. Competitive airsoft is only going to be as good as the refs. Just my opinion.
Is the no calling hits worse than when people put modded micro chips in in there paintball guns to have ramping shooting modes and basically shoot full auto back when it was a semi auto only back in the day.
I feel like if there was a way to have less cheating in Airsoft games the Airsoft field needs to be like a golf club. To an extent where you in order to play you’d have to be a member or part of the club to play at the field. This in turn would discourage people from cheating since it’s a club where everyone would know each other too! The down side is that Airsoft would be secluded from new players trying to play their first time since they’d have to be part of the club to play on the field. It would be hard for them to play at first, they’ll have to wait to become a member. This is how it goes in the county club golf clubs in my area where golfers would have to pay monthly or annual membership fees to be part of the club to play. I also think that having to be a member is a plus too because in turn it helps keep the fields open and not close for good because of low business. I would be part of a Airsoft field club if 1 the Airsoft field and staff is great 2 players a like get along in good company to talk too 3 having the competitive atmosphere for titles and trophies.
For real, any competitive player that has 3 counts of knowingly not calling their hits caught on video should be instantly banned from play, no ifs or buts.
this is so annoying It's like that when you play pro teams like ECE or any pro team or pro player they just eat BB's and I kinda understand because they are used to being laser but this is unacceptable. We need to end it now. (I play for NGSS incase y'all are wondering Little man no. 11 I played in nsl eastern confrence 2024 we came in 3rd)
I'm glad my outdoor field has only whining about cheaters and maybe a single actual cheater in a day. Indoors you always get the "I shot you first" crowd which is hilarious when they're getting lit up by the entire team and still complain, but they at least don't pretend they didn't get hit (trades are in the rules, I've taken trades that had 2 second delays because my enemy was surprised and falling over while shooting, I only got hit because I was way too aggressive and in the open despite having a safer way to kill him from better cover). This is the New England crowd though and not in a competitive style field, I'm sure the culture is way different in general. Don't give up on your hobbies if you can help it, if there's more chill fields you can play at it might be an idea to switch it up for a bit.
I never really understood speedsoft like this. Paintball is way more proven for this style of gameplay. Not hating I love airsoft and paintball but I don’t think airsoft really ever was meant to be played like this
Jumped to the comments to point out how much of an oxymoron "Tournament Airsoft" is. I love airsoft, but it's an honor system! Simply incompatible with tournaments and competitive play. Besides lying, people can just not feel it and there's no way to prove otherwise If you want a tournament, you use paint
