I played this guy and he perfected me three times in a row with Baiken and I thought he was the greatest player I ever fought. I'm just laughing now lol
@@shekeib thats exactly what makes cheaters in fighting games worse than in other genres (dont get me wrong cheating is still horrible in every game ) you would try to find faults in yourself that dont exist and can really mess with improvement
@@zechariahcaraballo8765if they beat you the faults still exist somewhere. If there was someone who could theoretically play perfectly the cheats would not win. But they don't play like real people so playing against things that read your inputs can actually make it harder to fight real players in some cases (some fighting games do this when fighting the cpu like MK)
@Javian Brown your inputs are read plus there's a human adjusting for exploits. There's isn't a player that can consistently beat that. Stop talking bs.
Fighting this person was actually super fun to figure out what things beat their scripts. Stuff like IB + punish (they won't delay pieces of blockstrings so that helps), never throwing except as a punish, trying to snipe the human neutral aspect for CHs, and finding blindspots in the scripts to just loop something. I did take one game and block them 😄
I remember fighting this guy during one of my first celestial challenges, I got obliterated and thought “damn people in celestial really are insane” then i check rating update and learn they’re a cheater😅 made all those dps they hit make way more sense
I love he stands perfectly out of range of tatami at 6:10 when you switched to baiken. He wasnt even wasting time blocking. He was waiting on proper spacing o_o
This wasn't Daisukes vision! I was telling Baccpac that the fight felt so unnatural I didn't understand it. I go to RU and he was flagged. We can manually blacklist but it feels so bad to fight something that appears to be reading inputs. I hope this video and others highlights these cheater accounts and gets them out of here.
I actually almost respect the guy for being so open about it lol, like I play Tekken and Fariborz(famous tekken cheater) would deny cheating on his death bed to his own grandson lol. Very entertaining video man!
Something about seeing him try to dp punish Baiken's little 2P was so silly to me 😂 It gives the same energy as a kid shooting a rubber band at an adult and then the adult retaliating by pulling out a nuclear bomb
the thing about cheaters and hackers is its rarely someone bad at the game using it to be good, its someone who is already quite good using it to be unstoppable.
That's actually one of the least cheaty things he did, realistically, you could lab 5D > 66RC > block as a burst bait/punish and he used bursed before the RC but given that it's a cheat program, it just frame perfectly reacted to the burst like a human COULD do that but not on reaction that fast I mean the rc into block just looks automated as soon as the burst starts if it was a real person it would probably look a lot like more 5D into 66RC and THEN he sees the burst while in the RC slowdown and chooses to block it but you would very rarely see the 66RC come out like the frame after burst in a scenario like that
I find the human vs machine aspect really appealing, I don't know about monetizing it tho... If the goal of this guy is making a short of pseudo "perfect CPU" as a personal project, that's super cool. But the possibility of selling this stuff to people with other intentions is a bit concerning.
@@VincentNeemie The fact that you refer to someone as "it" while also arguing that the game should be degraded by someone's business is also concerning.
^ Translation: "Hurr durr durr, you should just be happy that he gets to make a profit while everyone else has to put up with the fruits of his labor. You should just put up with it until ArcSys fixes it in their next Guilty Gear over half a decade from now, durr. This guy wants to make dollah bills, y'all." It's a miracle I was able to translate it over the clown music blasting in my ears as soon as I read it. "Interpretation classes..." What a phenomenal jackass we have here.
That was a great vid, I found it hilarious when you were looking for ways to exploit the engine--but the fact that there's a human pilot behind it too is so crazy, hahahaha.
What a waste of talent if you ask me. Also they’re selling it, I think that’s my biggest issue here. Same goes for people that are buying it. The longer it goes, the easier it is to figure out, I wouldn’t want to risk the Cheater tag being attached to my name.
I actually ran into Alter yesterday. Hacked Baiken is actually unbeatable, he just runs forward to grab you and parries anything else. You have to do almost frame perfect backdashes otherwise you get morbed on. Actually cracked.
I think it is cool to see how someone could make a TAS round of Strive or Beyond with this, other than that, for fun games would be neat, but anything with stakes or not agreed by both parties is fucked up.
oh my fucking god I ran into this dude near the launch of the game and dm'd him about being a bot. I'm so fucking validated right now. Discord name is the same and everything. I been holding that for a year.
Why do this in ranked? That’s just sad, I have written software like this and even made some hardware with a brooks pcb and a microcontroller, hdmi input, etc. Not for strive but other games. I only used it as a prank with friends or a gag on unranked modes.
Yeah like it'd be funny to mess with some friends or fuck around a little with, but I've never understood what people get out of doing this all the time.
@@itsaUSBline Depends on if you’re the one making the cheat or not. If you’re making the script then it’s an interesting test of your own skill to design something that could match up against top players. Doing it against random players that probably lose to the in-game AI isn’t very interesting because then it wouldn’t be a challenge.
you can make it unnoticeable if you aren't blatant like this guy. Just slightly increase your success % on jumping throws, teching throws, anti airing etc...
@@itsaUSBline yeah, there are noobs who use super obvious aim bots. The real problem is people who are good at the game but use cheats to give them just enough of a boost to be top tier
@@Eeleou that's a terrible way to cheat. it's not like a FPS game where players have to manually aim to score a kill. Games like Counter Strike GO and etc. whether or not it's 5% or 50% success you would still have to be able react to the game and damage your opponent to win. And if your script has you automatically comboing your opponent then you're not even playing the game anymore. The player/cheater would be randomly mashing buttons to get to the victory screen. Pro players wants consistency with their character in order to do what they want. And rolling a dice everytime to decide an important action or important events wouldn't really help pro players in the first place here. It actually gets in the way while trying to play a fighting game. Because you're conditioning yourself to say "oh guess I'll block the entire blockstring because I have a 5% chance to escape a throw". That's when the stealth cheater dies to a cross-up because his cheats taught him the wrong, the very wrong, way to play a fighting game. That's why every cheater tries to perfectly defend/perfectly punish the other opponent. They do it because predicting when the script is online and when the script is offline requires too much brainpower for the dedicated cheater. And because doing it in any other way gives inconsistent results and won't give them a temporary and short-term dopamine surge when the victory screen stops show up for them.
I think that tagged cheater players are good. You can play them but you get notified that he has ai help and that you won't lose points. Imagine the gain off playing against script
it makes me really happy that i did beat this guy a few times. the goal was to just spam abilities from far away until he gets bored enough to run in. they cheat for a reason! use that reason to beat him. (aka, play sol and play the rps gunflame spam game. its how i beat alot of his characters. but yea super hilarious. i hope he uses this to better the A.I in games. a self learning A.I is super needed right now
I’m glad you called this out I fought against this dude I thought something was weird about his inputs then i saw the replay and instantly knew he was cheating
if you play a mix charcter you can fraud out the BOT and him at the same time with. Safe jumps and instant cross ups..... that's how I beat his Goldlewis script, but you gotta give up on strike throw and always go for strike or side switch ( as Chipp ) I can't help other characters
Zoners are probably the best options for cheaters since their scripts possible only react best to close-range inputs. Especially playing a game of keep away with the strange attack range and timing.
9:11 similar thing happens in rhythm games & speedrunning, all the hardest to catch cheaters are great players that're capable of what they cheat to do. they know when to pull it out & how to dial everything in to be believable. but then they miss 1 detail, get exposed, and their entire online life is ruined lol
Exactly that happened in Trackmania a while ago. Professional player got busted for cheating runs from over a decade ago. The guy actually competed in tournaments without cheats and did super well and was well respected, but he used to cheat some of his leaderboard runs back in the day. When he got exposed he literally fell off the face of the earth and nobody's heard of him since lol
I’m tryna figure out how you ever feel schasty in a FG if the outcome is even more not decided by you. Like Baiken for example, using parry to call out certain attacks or even in high intensity situations makes you feel godlike for picking a literal correct option. Then if you were to make that work like 95% of the time I’d feel so bored. More than I already am.
I remember going up against this guy like a week ago and all he did was DP, grab, and random super when you happen to press a button. I go to rating update and see it says he was a cheater. Funny thing is too is that the character that he lost to when I looked at the profile at the time WAS FUCKING POTEMKIN. Edit: I went like 24 games with him and I started catching on around game 10 noticing he knew everything I was gonna do.
Cheating is bad and I am definitely against them selling the scripts, but aside from all of that it seems pretty impressive to build all of this. I feel like it takes a good amount of research to know the good gaps to auto-dp/auto-grab for every character. And on top of that, the combo's are not only automated but are built to fit the situation as well. To be able to do that for every matchup is a lot to account for. Honestly impressive to me I think.
would respect them if this was an ai experiment in the park, alphastar style. seeing this in the tower, reeks of desperation , specially those 40/m p2winners, very sad tbh
$40 a month is honestly cheap for hacking programs. as a dead by daylight player i know all about milkywaycheats due to the bot incident for january 2022 (on dbd) and some of those cheat programs go for $60 a month. SIXTY DOLLARS A MONTH. and i've seen the same hacker multiple times in the same 3 months so they payed someone $180 just so everyone knows they're fucking terrible. Its so weird to me LMFAO
when i see an FPS streamer facing a cheater they either complain and they're day is ruined or just leave the lobby asap but when i see an FGC player going up against a cheater the first reaction i always see is "alright how can i exploit this BOT" and its always dive kicks btw
I think scripts are cool in a sense that it allows for us to see the theoretical peak of the skill ceiling in any given game, similar to how people use tools to create literal frame perfect speedruns. But once money starts getting involved and it's no longer just the case of someone messing around in a controlled environment due to curiosity, and instead bleeds into other players experiences it's just scummy. Worst part is, 40 a month isn't even high, there are scripts for games that go double or even triple that at MINIMUM.
I think that cheating has a legitimate place in fighting games, for people new to the game it's just a nice way to even the playing field... WHAT ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME, NO CHEATING SUCKS, WHAT OTHER OPINION IS THERE!?
It looks like it knows precise spacings for things. Like, it waited just outside throw range, so that if you threw you got punished, but if you moved forward or pressed, they threw. Similar with the DPs. It'd be more interesting if they let the scripts run themselves and improved them when they got beat IMO. That way there's at least an interesting challenge. Since they don't however, it looks like they're just farming wins.
There's an Elizabeth player in P4AU - I can handle them in Ranked matches. But in lobbies? It feels exactly like this. Perfect reactions, timings, etc. Quite frustrating.
i played against this guy in tower over a year ago and took a game off him in a ram mirror. have run into him quite a few times since as well. noticed that there was scripted 6ps, grabs, reversals amongst other things. pretty disturbing knowing that u can basically win thousands in online tourneys if you're smart enough with scripts
Still this cheating is fairly easy to detect and stop offline. Hand cams and input histories would catch all cheating. Unlike a speedrun, they cannot tell when or what exactly the bot will do. There's no way that their inputs will ever match the bot. Online, if they're using a bot to do combos, you'd be able to tell how perfect the inputs are. You'd also be able to see that they're reacting within a frame consistently.
This is dangerous for strive and online competitive play. Just imagine someone using this in a subtle way. It would be undetectable. If a lot people end up purchasing these scripts, it could infect Strive and completely destroy the legitimacy of netplay and online tournaments. The fact that he sells the scripts, makes him a source of the problem. Arcsys should take legal action against this person and anyone else who is distributing this garbage. It may seem funny now but we won't be laughing when subtle cheating becomes a thing not just in Strive but all fighting games.
I had no idea this was going on. I actually got a bit tight about a player in my SFV days, now I think they might have been on this sort of stuff (they had a 95%+ win rate)... I can't fathom why you would play long term on this sort of stuff. It's probably cool to program it, but beyond that...
im impressed at how it is able to adapt so quickly to anything you throw at it... would be pretty bad if they sell it.... i mean then everything would be fucked
Funny how memory works. As I was watching the video the name of the cheater was nagging at me somehow, so I check rating update and I fought this dude back in May and he was already flagged as a cheater playing HC lol
I play on PS4 and didn't even know that cheating was happening in GG like this. Now that we have cross-play, PSN players are in for some rude awakenings. Thanks for the heads up. Subscribed.
Very happy we have the report function in the new patch now. I know this guy is just experimenting with this tech but he’s still ruining the play experience for people. Can’t wait for him to get banned day 1 on the new patch.
I feel like there is a lot of soft core cheating like macro use. watching people perfect mash super on every gap even when you are using the stagger for the first time in game is always suspect.
People can just get lucky too. Idk how many times i accidentally fumbled my keys and suddenly looked godlike. Like, I've had rounds where i suddenly am instant blocking 5 times in a row cause my fingers couldn't find the right keys.
omg I just ran into this guy and legit thought he was cracked LOL was trying to get him to go to the park and play a long set so I could learn something
it's kind of like the idea behind chess cheating, right? If some nooblord uses it all the time you can tell they're cheating and they'll beat people but get caught super fast. If a grandmaster cheated for just the one or two critical moves, it would be incredibly hard to tell.
I played against cheaters on PlayStation so basically you can tell by just doing something random and see if they respond to it asap like at the start of the game just do a throw and when opponents also throws whiff you can tell
