The funniest part of the writing was incorporating high IQ and Shakespearean like dialogue in a bar along side with urban and country characters. Then you add in the daily characters one would encounter. Creative writing genius.
Think about Frasier as well, having this goofy radio psychiatrist with a dad ex cop living with him and an English physical therapist and his brother niles etc I was talking about Frasier recently and said they must have just gotten lucky, but then you reminded me of cheers too and I’m convinced now that it was not mere luck
@@CenturianEagle Yes, agree 100%. I am renting each season of Fraiser, just finished season 1 and almost through 2. Well worth it. $14.99 for each season, 24 episodes. It’s so good. Eddie the dog as well. There are familiar guest many spots as well. Fraiser and Dad scream a little too much but other than that it was near perfect. Best sitcom of the 90’s and early 2000’s. My opinion better than Cheers and Seinfeld and King of Queens. Every actor is amazing. Niles was so good then I realized everyone was so good. There are 11 seasons. May take 3 months to watch it all. But that’s 3 months of amazing entertainment for the price of one ticket to a 2 hour Broadway show. And you don’t have to leave your home, watch it on your MacBook. Cant be beat. And the dialogue was risky. You would never be able to do it in today’s crazy environment.
@@TimTheMusicMan oh yeah, you definitely couldn’t do it with todays craziness. Hey that’s a lot of money though I’ve been rewatching it again though on crave, it’s a lot cheaper(I’m from Canada though so it could be a different library in other places). It’s funny you say it’s better than all those shows cuz I was just saying it’s better than all those shows at the time, however I do love king of queens a lot too but yeah Frasier is such a good show!!
@@CenturianEagle haha. Funny. Just the names alone are hysterical. ‘Fraiser, Niles, Lilith, Eddie the dog, Daphne, Roz, Bebe, Bulldog, Maris’. I’ve never known anyone with those names. And Eddie is the only common name given to the dog. Interesting. Kelsey married his second wife in my former home town. They got divorced. He’s been married 3 times. But he used to come into town for the holidays. 20 minutes Outside NYC. The whole show is great. King was good too, some say it was much better than Seinfeld. Cheers and MASH were great. The great sitcoms are gone. ‘The Office’. None of them could be made today for network television
@@dennisshoup2135 Yes, they could pass for mother & daughter. Another 2 actresses who could pass for mother & daughter (but aren't related) are actress Helen Hunt and actress Leelee Sobieski. Helen & Leelee resemble each other *a lot* more than Bebe and Christina Ricci.
Of all the "Cheers" women, Bebe had the highest Babe factor. And Lilith was the most empowered and successful female character in the entire run of the show.
I saw Bebe Nuewirth for the first time on Star Trek. She had a super small but very memorable part. I had to find out who she was. I ended up watching Cheers and Frasier because of her.
That's so funny! I always tell my friends that TBBT reminds. E so much of Frasier (from cheers and the spin-off), but I don't think most people remember 😞
A line I remember to this day came from Cheers. Lilith had cut off Frasier, so he was following her around, pleading with her. She stopped and said to him, "Isn't it enough that I'm doing it to your head?" Absolutely brilliant writing.
I've seen every episode of this show. Lilith was my all-time favorite character. At one point it was Cliff. But the writers did such a great job with her, every time she was on camera was incredible TV.
Kelsey Grammer was the luckiest man in the world just being able to hold and kiss Bebe Neuwirth even for a few seconds, I would have messed it up so they would have had to do 4 or 5 retakes.
A college buddy of mine (psychologist) married a psychologist. Their conversation was not unlike these two. The marriage did not last, unsurprisingly to me. It should be illegal for psychologists to marry psychologists.
I recently saw a Frasier documentary and one of the producers of Cheers mentioned that they didn't play up Lilith's sex appeal until one of them walked past Bebe on set one day and saw how gorgeous she looked. He went to the writers room and said, "Look, we have one of the sexiest dancers on Broadway right under our roof. We need to use that somehow." Thus the "letting her hair down" moments.
After cheers was over with I think they should have given Lilith her own TV show. They gave Fraser his own so why not Lilith her own too. Just saying here, her character was amazing
Lilith was supposed to be a one-time part that Bebe did while waiting to start her run in Sweet Charity on Broadway. She was so well received, and the writers loved writing for her that they brought her back. The stage has always been Bebe's first love (of course, a Lilith spin-off would have been great)
@@ennuiblue4295 The show was pretty much over by then anyway (though she made lesser appearances in the last season). Apparently she'll be continuing the guest spots in the Frasier revival.
I always loved that character, I thought her mannerisms were attractive. Of course the actress is fit as all get out, gorgeous! Everybody I knew thought she was weird and unattractive, recently what she looked like has faded. Thank you for compiling this together to remind me not just how right I was but now appreciate her acting ability as well.
It’s great when she was on Frasier. If I can remember, she had a one nighter with Niles. Anytime she was on Frasier, Martin, and Daphne would say they feel a chill in the air or something eerie right before Lilith walked through the door, like the dead was coming in Lol
@happygirl0214 Yep... Daphne would get crippling headaches when Lilith was in town. And yes... Lilith and Niles got drunk and slept together (Niles waa in the midst of divorcing Maris and Lilith found out her husband was leaving her for another man)
When Cheers was first on tv, people thought I was crazy, coz I 'fancied' Lilith, rather than Diane or Rebecca. I stand by that choice. Lilith was wildly hot & a GREAT character. Brilliant writing & acting.
I guess Grammer appeared in Season 3? That makes 39 years I've known "Frasier Crane". (Of course, I doubt the third iteration that's on now will last too long.) He started as a young man; I was a teenager. Now he's a man (both the character and the real-life actor) in his 70s; I'm in my 50s. I think this has to be a record for a fictional TV character to exist in the cultural consciousness. This episode of "Cheers" was so long ago that his long hair was straight.
The more masculine, aggressive, condescending, confrontational, and arrogant she appears, the more attractive she becomes. Is this "The Taming of the Shrew" when the shrew wins?
Y'all should see her sing and dance. Cheers wasn't beneath her, but goddamn has she got skills. Amazing dancer, wonderful singer. Bebe Newirth has got sick talent. 💘
Just a few years ago watching reruns of this, i'd thought of Lilith's character as cold and stony. After three girlfriends, i realize Lilith was a fictionally warmhearted portrayal of a woman, obviously embellished beyond their actual nature, or else humans have been mating with Arctic Char and Greenland sharks since i was a child.
