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Chimney Pipe Installation for Wood Stove through roof.
Installing a wood burning stove vent pipe through the roof for this homeowner. He did all the wood stove install inside and through his ceiling but was unsure of the roof part. This is a stainless steel triple wall chimney pipe suited for the high temperatures. I believe it was DuraVent brand.
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@Oheeeoh
@Oheeeoh 2 года назад
Way better than watching this old house. Thanks for the video.
@GrandRoofingInc
@GrandRoofingInc 2 года назад
I take that as a huge compliment, thank you!
@michaelcarron3418
@michaelcarron3418 2 месяца назад
Narrating is fine it's the technique of finishing up with the shingles that's critical for leakproof and wind prevention. Great video.
@SkyMcGowin
@SkyMcGowin 2 года назад
This is the most informative video covering wood burning stove installation through the roof chimney kit as a DIY homeowner. This is invaluable information and I thank you for sharing it. You have helped me immensely, friend.
@briansawdo6245
@briansawdo6245 Год назад
Don’t stress about it, electronics are not perfect. Narration worked well. I learned some things from your video. Good job!
@MaMa-qh4dy
@MaMa-qh4dy 2 года назад
Great recovery Brian on the second half. Don't worry, Schiff happens!!!! Haha
@JerichoRally
@JerichoRally Год назад
Gotta say thank you for the video! While I didn't end up doing as professional a job as you, I did use your video as a guide to install my pipe and flashing. We had a good rain the other day and not a single drop off water in the attic. Many thanks!
@philliphall5198
@philliphall5198 7 месяцев назад
There’s not many people in Texas who know what you guys know about how to do it safely and prevent fires Thanks 😊
@lwentz5510
@lwentz5510 2 года назад
I enjoy the running commentary. I like to know the "why" to do stuff, not just the "what" to do. You're always going to run into situations that are new and unique and if you know "why", then you can adapt your thinking to cover a previously unknown situation. I've got a couple of stove chimneys to do this month, and this is good to see. Like you say, I'm always in "learn" mode. I'm nearly 70 years old and I'm not too proud to learn new stuff. Please keep up your good work!
@antiichrombie48
@antiichrombie48 Год назад
Doing this on a professional level for crematoriums we used red top end engine silicone on the flange. not sure if wood burning stoves need that but it helps to keep the moisture out if water runs down the chimney.
@theplinkerslodge6361
@theplinkerslodge6361 2 года назад
Narration was fine, perfect - both ways are good, and it gives variety to use both.
@adamrocklin9942
@adamrocklin9942 8 месяцев назад
Hey Brother, no apologies necessary. Very informative. Narration works just fine as well. Thanks for taking the time to put this together. Great job!
@GrandRoofingInc
@GrandRoofingInc 8 месяцев назад
I appreciate that!
@barryallenporter8127
@barryallenporter8127 8 месяцев назад
I swear, you ALWAYS have a video for any question I come up with. Thanks again.
@GrandRoofingInc
@GrandRoofingInc 8 месяцев назад
Thanks, you're welcome!
@pkope6849
@pkope6849 2 года назад
One of the best videos I've seen on a chimney install through the roof..... You do a nice job... 👍👍
@tortugajoe735
@tortugajoe735 2 года назад
Great video, that's a great looking install and nice vent stack system. A mentor once told me after a training presentation I'd given, "Folks aren't here for a slick talkin' presenter, they're here to see you, so just be yourself." That's given me a big confidence boost. That's a long winded way of saying: we enjoy your commentary whether it's real time or voice-over. Thanks for the great content you're putting out!
@brianblair2935
@brianblair2935 Год назад
Im putting up my own 8in stove pipe. Your Video has definitely helped me
@ACKIV
@ACKIV 2 года назад
First fire and first rain, all is well. Great job.
@seandunlap1743
@seandunlap1743 2 года назад
It's an 8... it's a 10... it's Superman!
@ateleskier7066
@ateleskier7066 10 месяцев назад
Nothing wrong with post-shoot narration. Some great vids out there using that method, often better as it incorporates things thought of afterwards. Useful vid thanks. I need to do this soon on a cottage in Scotland with traditional slates, so not exactly the same but the principles are. Many thanks. 👍
@jillachen7217
@jillachen7217 Год назад
Great job!! Jill from Baudette Minnesota
@barbaralee6534
@barbaralee6534 Год назад
Thank you! We're just homeowners needing to reposition (probably replace) the storm collar and just needed to know exactly where to place it. This answers our question!
@bullmoosepiper7732
@bullmoosepiper7732 2 года назад
This is how it should be done by a homeowner. Do the downstairs work yourself, save the $ on the install, then call the roofing professional in to make the penetration through the roof and let him make sure it is flashed & shingled properly. I have seen so many DIY'ers that really tried to do a good job on a wood stove vent, but missed the small stuff like tucking the brace brackets under a shingle and instead, they nailed it right on top of the shingle into the roof deck. So rather than screwing with proper embedment into the top chord of a truss and getting excellent tension values, they're expecting a simple nail through a shingle into 1/2" deck to withstand the multi-directional wind forces on the vent. Then they're expecting the dab of silicone caulk on top of the nail head to give them water tight conditions. There's way more to this and Brian, you make it look easy. Cheers to you
@TheFoundBeliever
@TheFoundBeliever Год назад
thats what i wanted to do and was given quotes of 3500 bucks.... sorry but that grotesque just to have a hole cut with cathedral box installed
@Zack-lq9tb
@Zack-lq9tb Год назад
@@TheFoundBeliever that's bull
@TheFoundBeliever
@TheFoundBeliever Год назад
​@@Zack-lq9tb reality is reality and if ya dont want to believe it and live in fantasy land by all means thats your choice.
@mikenicholson2548
@mikenicholson2548 2 года назад
Just a added install tip. All wood stove pipe installs need to be a minimum of two feet above the peak. I like three feet for a good draft. Dura vent install kits come with a great install book.
@ScottWConvid19
@ScottWConvid19 2 года назад
I think that changes with a lower pitch roof when the pipe is further away from the peak. When I installed mine, the clearance was dependant upon the level distance either to the roof or to the peak.
@killroy7114
@killroy7114 2 года назад
Thanks a bunch. The narration worked great. Bob Villa much? Very well done.
@vintageMIDI
@vintageMIDI Год назад
Dude: awesome detail with narration. Your pro demo showed me what I needed to finish installing my wood stove & chimney. Much appreciated.
@fabianmarquez8023
@fabianmarquez8023 2 года назад
Good job budd. Looks good. And you did good on salvaging the video as the narrator. Don’t listen to all the negative comments. Those peeps are everywhere and you’ll never get rid of them. It’s like a plague
@robcampos6437
@robcampos6437 2 года назад
Either format worked well. For me what's more important is detailed explanation of what your doing and why. As a DIY guy I now think I could do this after watching your video. Thanks!
@ericgow79
@ericgow79 2 года назад
Thank You! for getting straight to the point. Very easy to understand and effcient process. Well Firggin Done!
@ScottWConvid19
@ScottWConvid19 2 года назад
Maybe that audio issue was a blessing in disguise. When you do voice overs, you have the opportunity to add things you might have forgotten and it's smoother than adding text into the video. As usual, I've learned a few really helpful things. Namely that this transparent harnesses and safety ropes are nice cause they don't hinder your movements and get in the way of your work like those solid color ones. 😂 I've used a plumb bob to send mine through the roof and have boxed out the truss on two installs. Not sure if that was the best thing, but it all felt strong. Smart thinking with the lager to smaller diameter anchor rods. When water gets in those, they will rust and break free. Cougar Paws are great on singles, period. But they absolutely suck on steel! That lower roof would be about the steepest I'd go with em. Thanks again for making the time to share your knowledge and skills.
@carbonEYE007
@carbonEYE007 7 месяцев назад
This was hands down the best Duravent roof flashing tutorial on RU-vid. Great job. Cutting a hole in my roof first thing in the morning lol. Update. You saved my ass with this information it came out great and following your process and extensive flashing tips I am confident that my first time doing this was a great success. Thank you a lot
@captainprairie5790
@captainprairie5790 Год назад
I have lost audio on some of my videos, some I could salvage, some were junk. I think the voice over does great but fast forwarding kinda made my head spin and I couldn't follow along very well. Great video!
@hk93shooter
@hk93shooter 10 месяцев назад
im putting a used wood stove in my garage this weekend. got the through the roof kit and pipe. i have not done roofing in probably 20 years. defiantly going to need to watch a couple of videos. this was very helpful thank you.
@johnsilvey3208
@johnsilvey3208 2 года назад
Narrating was great - I liked that ! Very instructive, educational video - I learned a lot. Only down-side, I get motion-sick pretty easily, and with all of the swinging back and forth of the camera, I could only watch 5-ish minutes at a time. Some kind of a tripod, setting still, off to the side, and moved every once in a while would have made it a perfect video ! Thanks for taking the time to share this level of educational detail !
@ThatsNotMyNameB.
@ThatsNotMyNameB. 2 года назад
As someone with years experience as well. I agree with 99% of the way you do things and the explanations you give. This is not only good for diy homeowners but could almost be a training vid for new employers. Good job, enjoy the videos.
@GrandRoofingInc
@GrandRoofingInc 2 года назад
Thank you Alex!
@MMGJ10
@MMGJ10 2 года назад
@@GrandRoofingInc I agree man. You will have a ton of subs pretty soon. I'm a 20 plus year bricklayer that does a little bit of everything. I'm installing a wood burner into my home and came across this video. I've learned a lot from all of your videos. You get into great detail and explain things very well. 🍻 cheers man. 👍
@hairylarry6167
@hairylarry6167 Год назад
I have to tell you this, you were brave to get up on that roof. It is really steep. I am 68, I know I don't have any business at my age being on a roof of any kind, but that roof was really steep. Very dangerous. I would have to call an experienced carpenter to do this job.
@deana8202
@deana8202 8 месяцев назад
I like the speed of video. It was perfect. I usually have to turn the video speed up. Good job. Thanks.
@mattfrieden2065
@mattfrieden2065 2 года назад
Great video. Thank you. One thing to keep in mind for diy is to make sure you get the right pitched flashing as well. Most are 0-6/12 and if you're over that you need a steep pitch flashing. For the height, I've always heard 2 feet higher then whatever is in a 10 ft radius..
@jleight9544
@jleight9544 3 месяца назад
Very good video although the storm collar should have a bead of seal. Would be good to include the building codes on roof braces and 10’ rule.
@radekw708
@radekw708 Год назад
narrating kind with high speed is nice
@ciphercode2298
@ciphercode2298 2 года назад
I'm an avid diyer,but scared of heights. I'm farming this one out to a local contractor. It's a single story house with an attic and flat ceiling downstairs. He said $500 for the instal. I've got the basic installation kit ( ceiling box,storm collars,transition ring,chimney cap) and double wall pipe from selkirk supervent on order from lowes now. Supposed to be here before the end of the month. Cant wait to get away from electric heat,lol.
@masterbates7016
@masterbates7016 Год назад
Make sure you give enough clearance double wall is 6 inch clearance and triple is 2 inch
@moonolyth
@moonolyth Год назад
I'll be keeping this one for later... best I've found. I think the narration worked just fine. There's no need to excuse yourself. Stuf happens, dont it. Only would be nice to slow the action just a little. Thanks for the help!
@chloejasper6852
@chloejasper6852 Год назад
I àgree...but I just went into RU-vid speed. Settings & slowed it down for the narràted part.
@johnnelson3004
@johnnelson3004 4 месяца назад
Excellent Job! So very helpful for me in my own DIY project..
@josegonzalez8246
@josegonzalez8246 9 месяцев назад
did a grate job with the narating
@D3adP00I
@D3adP00I Год назад
Great stuff man, awesome job.
@robertsheph8858
@robertsheph8858 11 месяцев назад
Just ran across this getting ready to install a wood stove. Overdubs are fine. In fact, I think it's better because you don't have to narrate while you're trying to work.
@P1ayD0hpaul
@P1ayD0hpaul Год назад
Great video, thanks for sharing!
@williamdyckman9704
@williamdyckman9704 10 месяцев назад
Appreciate your video, have learned alot from you. Feel you are meticulous in your work!
@themueth
@themueth 2 года назад
Sweet work
@tc7518
@tc7518 2 года назад
I only have one comment on the part where you lost audio....the time framing was a little to fast....could be it is 1 am and I am tired but all in all great tutorial as I will be ....yes me I will be installing my new wood stove when it arrives next week....have not done this before so I will let you know how it turns out...Thanks for the great video!!!!
@larsturner310
@larsturner310 2 года назад
Nice work.
@patricksepicjourney7187
@patricksepicjourney7187 2 года назад
A+ Installation sir...
@GrandRoofingInc
@GrandRoofingInc 2 года назад
Thanks! Waiting anxiously to see you're next funny video!
@curtistaylor2834
@curtistaylor2834 9 месяцев назад
Thanks for the information really helpful this is my first one very good
@rek550
@rek550 Год назад
Enjoyed the video...and narration.
@emariaenterprises
@emariaenterprises 9 месяцев назад
This was exactly what I needed to see.
@daltinos1011
@daltinos1011 Год назад
You can also shoot a nail through the roof center of the trusses, then put your flashing down onto the roof (center of the nail poking through) mark the shingles with marker or whatever, cut the shingles straight up from the lowest row of shingles you can, cut all the way up and around the circle you marked and straight back down to the row you started. Now all you gotta do is cut the plywood circle you desire with Sawzall. Pull any nails loose you can to slide the flashing up underneath all the rows till it sits flush with the circle you cut out of the shingles. Nail it on place and run the flue pipe up through the attic. Sometimes down, screw that bitch in place, caulk it, call it a day bud. I did hvac flues for 10 years that way, never had a leak from shingles not overlapping the flashing enough or any of that.
@george5697
@george5697 Год назад
Very informative thanks bro!!
@lightningdriver81
@lightningdriver81 Год назад
Nice video, great job.
@edwardraisley7820
@edwardraisley7820 Год назад
Thanks, well done.
@user-qt8re8lq7i
@user-qt8re8lq7i 7 месяцев назад
Good comeback man! I learned a lot from your video
@robertjeffery6100
@robertjeffery6100 Год назад
Great job nice video
@MrGsxr10001
@MrGsxr10001 6 месяцев назад
Dont take this as a neg comment. I was an installer for many years and I"ve put in hundreds of those things. You dont need to remove the shingles. I wish I had a video of the method we used. Clean install don"t get me wrong.
@truecrime98
@truecrime98 Год назад
I am sick seeing how high you are up there!! Omfg!! No fear!! Great work and thank you!!
@gboz4245
@gboz4245 Год назад
I Install and inspect Chimney’s for a living i’m sceptical there’s 2 inches to that rafter on the left and the sheathing after levelling. Hopefully the homeowner installed the bottom portion correctly as you’re assuming responsibility for his work.
@GrandRoofingInc
@GrandRoofingInc Год назад
It's kind of hard to tell from the camera. Everything looked to be pretty good. In the estimate I figured, I included that the homeowner installed everything through the roof. I was only contracted to put the flashing in above. It was clearly spelled out in the estimate. Whenever there is a possibility of liability, I try to cover myself.
@gboz4245
@gboz4245 Год назад
@@GrandRoofingInc good thinking , impeccable shingle work around the flashing. I always get a kick out of homeowner installations when they just put the flashing right on top of the shingles and tar the hell out of it ……
@brucedeleskey8540
@brucedeleskey8540 2 года назад
Very good job don't mind the peaple that don't like your work because thay can't do it as good as you do
@whatnowok
@whatnowok 7 месяцев назад
You need to apply fire proof or high temperature sealant to the underside of the flashing on the sides top but leave the bottom open for drainage then nail it down to the roof he screwed up
@cindybroadus3277
@cindybroadus3277 Год назад
Awesome job but scary!
@GroundZeroHomeInspections
@GroundZeroHomeInspections 2 года назад
8/12 pitch is steep enough to argue that you should have a harness on when on the roof.
@AsaSpadeSS
@AsaSpadeSS 2 года назад
So you wear one when you go up there.
@Zack-lq9tb
@Zack-lq9tb Год назад
@@AsaSpadeSS he's got advice on everything he don't have the balls for
@AimingWanderously
@AimingWanderously 5 месяцев назад
Thank you for the great vid. My only critique is maybe consider a fixed-mounted camera instead of head-mounted. Because with it moving every time you turn your head, especially when you fast forward it, man does that get nauseating.
@ropeman3916
@ropeman3916 2 месяца назад
Nice job! Narration worked great maybe not so much fast forward though, if there is a nex time. Did you seal around the rain collar?
@karenkreisel9801
@karenkreisel9801 2 года назад
would be helpful to have the names of all the parts.
@spRas_
@spRas_ 2 года назад
I see why the home owner wasn't sure how to do that part. That's a pretty steep roof
@jameschristy9966
@jameschristy9966 2 года назад
Looks great f the hater's
@oldsniffingjoepotato2711
@oldsniffingjoepotato2711 Год назад
Cardano hoodie👍
@davidr.617
@davidr.617 Год назад
Did I miss it or does a person add pookey all around where the rain shield meets the stove pipe? For me, I wished you didn't FF through some of the steps like the shingle removal but FF through putting nuts on the stand off supports is perfectly fine. Thank You for the informative video.
@Deltaconcepts
@Deltaconcepts 10 месяцев назад
The storm collar on the attic is a nice touch. What the heck is that for?
@MetaDarwin
@MetaDarwin 2 года назад
Thank you for the video. My tablet has a setting for playback speed, so I slowed it down a lot when you were whipping your head back and forth from one side of the pipe to the other. That cut down on my dizziness, but made you sound much too drunk to be on a roof! 😆 I would love to know the name of the phone app that reads the pitch.
@GrandRoofingInc
@GrandRoofingInc 2 года назад
The one I use i believe was just called pitch gauge.
@nickpanhead7209
@nickpanhead7209 21 день назад
Hi I came across your video, I'm using the selkirk pipe with the support ears already on it. My question is that can sit onto of shingles ? Do you use any sealer underneath or on top before you put your flashing on top of that.
@Mikewheeler131
@Mikewheeler131 Год назад
No silicone under the flashing?
@danbeckstead2020
@danbeckstead2020 2 года назад
Great video. Why so tall tho? Will this type of pipe work with a pellet stove?
@Adam.Rushing
@Adam.Rushing Год назад
Excellent video, thank you for the knowledge! Looking to do this soon myself. One question - what is that yellow think you're standing on that helps counter the roof's pitch?
@GrandRoofingInc
@GrandRoofingInc Год назад
It's just a foam cushion from the inside of a couch. They grip the roof granules.
@Adam.Rushing
@Adam.Rushing Год назад
@@GrandRoofingInc Huh....who'd've thunk? Give the man a beer, he's a genius!
@mccoymrm
@mccoymrm 2 года назад
Great video! How much dis this job cost the customer?
@Russianmafia10
@Russianmafia10 Год назад
So with the flange over the shingles, when the roof gets replaced, does the flange come off?
@radekw708
@radekw708 Год назад
can you use a stud finder to find the truss?
@GrandRoofingInc
@GrandRoofingInc Год назад
Not sure but that's a good idea to try
@peggycarrick5953
@peggycarrick5953 2 года назад
We had a chimney going through the roof for wood burner, worked great but husband wanted to go through side wall. Thought it would burn better! Now having drafting problems and doesn’t give off the heat it used to! Still gives off heat but instead of 80 in the house now 70 degrees. We only heat with wood. Any suggestions? Thank You
@SIG226Y
@SIG226Y Год назад
Make sure it's above the roof a few feet to draft the best
@donwest7314
@donwest7314 Год назад
what did that cost the home owner ? looking for the same thing done?
@adamknight6547
@adamknight6547 6 месяцев назад
Anything else need to be done to the interior, where the pipe meets the ceiling?
@GrandRoofingInc
@GrandRoofingInc 6 месяцев назад
There's a metal thimble that goes in. It keeps the hot pipe away from anything combustible.
@nathanonstad7546
@nathanonstad7546 2 года назад
Cardano Bro!!! Hell ya
@tc7518
@tc7518 2 года назад
I am having to rewatch this...as I do not want to get it wrong...my stove took a bit longer to arrive and I will now be installing it in freezing weather...and I have a medical condition called Raynaud's syndrome which basically means that when the temperature changes you lose circulation to ...well in my case my fingers...it is painful and dangerous if you are working with power tools....which is why I want a wood stove in my shop...but now that the temperature is not in my favor I will have to be extra careful...good thing I married a man who has the last name Carpenter... who will be helping me install this tiny wood stove just enough to take the chill out of my shop...BUT he is a Mechanic...I love him but he does not know one end of a saw to the other....I would say hammer...but he has a few of those....so I will post if I have succeeded in my attempt to install my little grizzly wood stove from Quebec Canada...you should look them up if you are in the tiny house movement!!! Once again I really do appreciate your video's... they are by far the best roofing videos I have seen.
@GrandRoofingInc
@GrandRoofingInc 2 года назад
Thank you glad I was able to help. Sorry to hear about your fingers. I know what you're going through kind of, because I have Menieres disease which is a Vertigo balance issue. Definitely not good working on roofs. Be safe and good luck to you.
@rkraszyk5824
@rkraszyk5824 Год назад
Was just thinking how I wish your company was near by. After calling nearly two dozen companies, I couldn't get one of them to come out to do an install like this. Turns out you're in Tipton IN. Does your company do work near Martinsville?
@GrandRoofingInc
@GrandRoofingInc Год назад
Not usually, it's about a 2-hour drive.
@GrandRoofingInc
@GrandRoofingInc Год назад
If you can send some pictures over to the email of what the roof is like and an address I'll see how far it actually is and possibly consider.
@rkraszyk5824
@rkraszyk5824 Год назад
@@GrandRoofingInc I will email some pics of the roof. Wasn't sure if you contracted some of your work out, and maybe you had someone out this way.
@GrandRoofingInc
@GrandRoofingInc Год назад
@@rkraszyk5824 no it's just me that does all the estimates and most of the repair work
@ensinitas
@ensinitas Год назад
stack too short and it won't draw. that flashing was a narrow little guy. i like more shoulder
@genemilchling3054
@genemilchling3054 Год назад
where can you get the roof support
@bubbahubba5009
@bubbahubba5009 Год назад
@Gene Mixhillin you have asked thee best question here where did he get the supports. For me I want the circle one with two wings that is screwed to the deck as soon as the pipe sticks out of the roof. Anyone know the name of it
@chloejasper6852
@chloejasper6852 Год назад
Northline express
@fivying
@fivying 2 года назад
Why is it so tall
@ScottWConvid19
@ScottWConvid19 2 года назад
Mainly because code requires that there be a minimum distance between the top of the pipe and structure, so that winds coming from any direction won't obstruct the positive upflow of the exhaust. If it's closer to a structure, wind can cause burble effects which can interfere with the draft and smoke can go down the pipe into the house or air intake.
@ScottWConvid19
@ScottWConvid19 2 года назад
There are also issues that can arise with the change in barometric pressure and therms.
@rottdogsparky
@rottdogsparky 2 года назад
Better to save the footage with narration than loose it!
@louieboe1164
@louieboe1164 Год назад
That cellulose insulation Chemicals in it only last 10 years
@riderwantedusa
@riderwantedusa Год назад
Cardano!!
@Aelanna
@Aelanna Год назад
The voiceover narration was fine. However, speeding up the video really amplified the shaky-cam effect, and the wild swinging when you turned around. It gave me motion sickness watching it. I'd say next time don't speed up the footage, just cut it more as needed to fit.
@masterbates7016
@masterbates7016 Год назад
Great video
@bubbahubba5009
@bubbahubba5009 Год назад
So my million dollar question is this 1. What is the best caulking to smear under my wood stove chimney flashing I also want to use this same caulking around the rain collar I want it high heat. Silicone, polyurethane, or whatever else I'm in need of knowing what you like I want it to have a strong grip under that flashing against my roof shingles 2. For nails I popped up and shingles I had to lift to work the flashing what is the best most favorite roofing stuff I should uses I want it to fill nail holes I pulled up out of those shingles but also run it along to reseal the shingles I'm asking because I used some shit yesterday that is weak under my flashing I'm going to pull it up strip it off and re caulk with hopefully something good people can tell me here I'll check back in to see if anyone replied
@davidc4996
@davidc4996 Год назад
Thanks for video.... but dam hard to watch... i know you build not video.. but dam
@louisbrown2279
@louisbrown2279 2 года назад
I like your work I just hate those style boot for metal bestos you should get yourself a set of rolls and a pipe lock machine and make either copper or galvanized thicker materials and saulder your flange to your stack and lay out your own storm collar caulking on them stacks always fail and leak and then people monkey crap the piss out of them and it's so esthetically unappealing I only make my own sleeves stacks boots vents everything and all is sauldered you could have the shop tools and still fit them in your garage without taking up much room your job looks good you quality of work is grade a just the materials suck box store materials are too china quality
@landonlandon5533
@landonlandon5533 Год назад
Why take the chance with no tape. It's a $5 cost.
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