Chins 100Ah 12V (12.8V) LiFePO4 Battery Review Fail

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@Roll2Videos 7 месяцев назад

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@user-uj6px3mt8h 4 месяца назад

Thats disappointing, watched Will Prowse and a couple other people tear these open and they had the blue prismatic cells everyone is use to seeing. Was about to order their 280Ah model Amazon thats going for 589 assuming their entire lineup used these cells. After watching your video though I went back and youre right, they make no mention.of the cells or construction type... I mean for 12v 280Ah its still a great price but id much rather have the hard case prismatic

@guyztruth4593 Год назад

This was a very important video! Makes me wonder how many other batteries have made this switch. It seems like the norm to put out a good product in the beginning then switch once they build a reputation. Before purchasing we must now ask which cells they are using. Put them on the spot!

@GavinStoneDIY Год назад

I know lots of people purchased these batteries based off other reviews. This is such a shame. I’m glad you were able to bring this to light. Hopefully you’ll save someone else from getting a dud.

@Roll2Videos Год назад

Before I made this video, I would have recommended this battery to friends and family not so anymore

@props-model-shop Год назад

Not surprised at all that Chins and others would do something like this. That's why guys like you "might" keep them honest by exposing these companies every now and then.

@Roll2Videos Год назад

We can only hope. Now I'm out 4 100Ah Prismatic cells that I thought were inside 😮‍💨 I can't even put the battery back together and sell it used. It's defective. I'll take the loss for views I guess. 🍻

@TBButcher Год назад

When researching chins before buying my batteries I found it discussed that chins had a supply issue with prismatic cells and had to substitute with pouch for a short amount of time. Their customer service is great and all pouch cell battery buyers on the forum contacted chins and they sent them prismatic cell batteries as a swap out at no cost for shipping or anything. I bought 2x100ah 12v batteries, contacted chins as soon as I received them to ensure they were prismatic. They immediately asked for the serial number, then confirmed they were prismatic. They have performed as advertised and with my experience of their customer service and reading others experience I'm a fan despite the pouch fiasco. Sorry to see you had a bad experience! Be sure to get ahold of them and they'll send you a new one I'm sure. -Bob, B.C🇨🇦

@Roll2Videos Год назад

That is some great information, Thank you for sharing your experience with chins.

@danieltimisan6820 10 месяцев назад

can you post a link to your info ? thanks

@TBButcher 10 месяцев назад

@danieltimisan6820 no; that was 6 months ago. I believe it was on willprowse forum, but not certain. Search around and you'll find it.

@brianbavington4665 5 месяцев назад

that is not my expense With Chins i too would like to see the link. i am no expert but the bms would need to be programmed different as well or changed .

@rage801 3 месяца назад

The bigger chins use prismatic cells. Buy a 300ah and run the same test. I've noticed most the 100ah or Smaller are pouch

@BradCagle Год назад

That 4th cell is the first to hit low voltage protect, and the first to hit high voltage protect. Means It's lower capacity than the rest, and it will never balance out properly to get you full capacity of the battery. Bummer. I do however think it's neat to see different internals. Great vid!

@Roll2Videos Год назад

You are right; I thought about that while editing the video. It will never get to full capacity. Thank you for watching.

@john0270 Год назад

Yeah you can only cycle the pack the capacity of the weakest cell. No different then lead acid though. I sometimes work on golf carts and yeah doing capacity tests on a bank of 48volt lead acid, 6, 8, or 12 volts.... still have to have fairly matched set.

@Roll2Videos Год назад

@@john0270 For sure, One thing with golf carts I've seen is tapping lights into a battery to run 12V lights throwing the pack balance off more and more over time.

@gailmrutland6508 9 месяцев назад

*THANK YOU. They are on sale at Walmart for $229.....now I know why. Great review KUDOS!*

@Roll2Videos 9 месяцев назад

Welcome 😁

@ronbridegroom8428 Год назад

Good review. Thanks for all the work you put into it

@Roll2Videos Год назад

Thank you for watching 📺

@RicSpivey Год назад

I think this was a GREAT video inspecting and reviewing a costly battery that someone would hope to be a good investment. Great content! Great info! I've never seen your channel before but I'm glad it was suggested!

@cycleoflife7331 8 месяцев назад

That battery sells for $200. That’s ridiculously cheap

@davidgreen8828 Год назад

Bought 4 of these for a 48v golf cart. Burned out 3 of the 100a BMS's (even though my cart runs well within its operating specification monitoring current in real time). Ended up de-casing them and making a custom pack with a reasonable 48v 250a Daly BMS and they work great now. The construction of yours is way better done than mine was. Glad to see they used actual bolts to keep them compressed. Mine was just tape and silicone. Spec sheet says each 50ah cell is capable of 150a pulse, 100a continuous, so 4s2p config these cells "can" do 300a.

@Roll2Videos Год назад

Really? A 2C discharge on a 50Ah cell. I'm suspicious of that. In any event I'm happy to hear you have the cart running 👍

@davidgreen8828 Год назад

@@Roll2Videos Suspicious as well, in any event the cart pulls about 70-80 amps while driving flat so having some piece of mind that the papers say 2c is always nice. No issues so far.

@Roll2Videos Год назад

@@davidgreen8828 Perfect, I have some nice batteries coming for my cart. Stay tuned

@fauxque5057 6 месяцев назад

Curious why you didn't warranty them? I have 12 Chins, and 4 Zooms. One of the Chins quit taking a charge. I contacted them and they sent out a new battery and told me to dispose of the bad one. Now I'm wondering if they sent me a pouch battery as a replacement. Also the 3rd set of Chins was advertised as having low temperature protection, and none of the others were. I'm not a fan of pouch cells. I think maybe I'll try weighing each battery to see if I can spot a difference

@jaxturner7288 Год назад

2:45 Lol like the wyns or BG tokens that were in the shop chemicals? 😂😂😂

@larrybell4599 Год назад

Thank you for showing us this honest battery review.

@Roll2Videos Год назад

You're very welcome 😁

@ScottieBMan Год назад

Great catch, thanks

@ProjectsinParadise808 2 месяца назад

That was a great reveal brother! Keep up the great work! Aloha!🤙

@Roll2Videos 2 месяца назад

Thank you buddy 👍

@Sylvan_dB Год назад

I have 2 Chins smart batteries. I had to balance both of them in order to charge over 14.1v. I have 4 Timeusb purchased as 2 sets of 2. One from each set was badly out of balance. It took about 2 weeks to get them balanced. Now my first pair will shut off at 14.53 to 14.54 volts and the second pair shuts off at 14.51 to 14.52 volts. I just spent another week trying to balance all 4 with no change, so that's as good as it gets.

@Roll2Videos Год назад

That doesn't sound very fun. Great job working on them.

@Sylvan_dB Год назад

@@Roll2Videos More annoying than fun, to be sure. Rewarding tho, to be able to full charge without the bms kicking off. And I picked up 2Ah on the Chins and several Ah on the timeusb. (getting 110Ah and the bms is still alive!) I suspect the factory doesn't balance, or maybe they balance if the battery fails capacity testing? One of my Chins reported 4 cycles when I received it, the less balanced one only 1 cycle.

@mannyfragoza9652 Год назад

i wonder if that bolt from time to time was shorting one of the cells .That's why the lower voltage in cell 1?

@Roll2Videos Год назад

I don't think so. The area it could move wasn't around any wires or terminals. Think it was just a bad cell on it's own.

@edwardutter6975 Год назад

This is the second video on these batteries failing. I am happy that I did not spend my hard earned money on one of these. I appreciate the effort that people put into the review videos on different products. The owners of products need to be more honest instead of greedy. Honesty goes a long ways in my book.

@Roll2Videos Год назад

We need more of it these days, Thank you for watching.

@GTrainRx7 Год назад

Who uploaded the other fail?

@edwardutter6975 Год назад

@@GTrainRx7 John Daniel

@RyanAdamsVideo Год назад

Question: If a pouch cell is used inside a casing, does it then become a prismatic cell? What I found on the web: A prismatic cell is a cell whose chemistry is enclosed in a rigid casing. Its rectangular shape allows efficiently stacking multiple units in a battery module. There are two types of prismatic cells: the electrode sheets inside the casing (anode, separator, cathode) are either stacked or rolled and flattened. Now I'm more confused. Either way, thanks for the video!

@Roll2Videos Год назад

No, it's still a pouch cell. Excellent question. I'm happy you're taking time and interest in this topic.

@todamnbad Год назад

I run three of the 200AH in my RV, I opened them and pulled the cells out to save space, great cells and BMS (VIP BMS)

@Roll2Videos Год назад

It's good to hear about your experience; thank you.

@SilverTreasures Год назад

Nice work man. Thank you!!!!!

@Roll2Videos Год назад

Thank you for watching 📺

@GundamExia88 Год назад

Is that the mini version of the 12V 100Ah LiFePO4? It seems smaller form factor than what I have, that could be why it's the pouch cell version?

@Roll2Videos Год назад

No, It's there regular sized battery

@Sovereign_Citizen_LEO Год назад

I don't think they're doing what you stated. I think they are sending known Prismatic Cell batteries out only to known reviewers (and maybe some other select people). And they are manufacturing and shipping almost exclusively pouch cell batteries for normal customers I would guess.

@Roll2Videos Год назад

Very well could be.

@albertpung7250 Год назад

May I ask if cylindrical headwaycells good for solar?

@Roll2Videos Год назад

I don't see why not, Chevk out youtube.com/@BradCagle he uses some cylindrical cells in some of his videos. 🍻

@JonasSyver Год назад

Good review👍

@danieltimisan6820 10 месяцев назад

thanks for the video , good info

@Roll2Videos 10 месяцев назад

Thank you

@conradnadeau Год назад

Can you tel me if you know about lithtec lithium battery thank you for your excellent detail

@Roll2Videos Год назад

I do not know about them but I will reach out. Stay tuned

@amham48 Год назад

I enquired to Chins as to the type of cells I purchased. They responded with soft pack or pouch cells (they determine by serial number). I complained for the same reasons as stated in this review. They agreed to replace the cells with PRISMATIC. I received a PRE-PAID return authorization and received 2 new 100A batteries from Chins stating the replacements were prismatic (I did not open). They tested to spec. I must complement Chins for their immediate response and cooperation. I even received the replacement cells before they received my return. If these new batteries are, in fact, prismatic I would rate their customer service as superior. YMMV!

@Roll2Videos Год назад

That is great. I'm happy they helped you. My experience is I've emailed them three times. I even shared the link to this video with no response. I even offered to make a new video if they sent me the proper battery to pass my tests. No luck.

@AvocaSingleTrack 11 месяцев назад

@@Roll2Videos the above reply has no videos, no subs . Gotta wonder

@jaspersnow4928 Год назад

Pwm may work a little too well would you sell lithium-ion phosphate battery and solar panel that is mono ceiling sales only manasi when shows can you be close more compatible

@Roll2Videos Год назад

I'm sorry I don't understand your comment.

@84Prerunner Год назад

Good review. I’ve dropped chins as a an option through my solar business. The newer ones with Bluetooth BMS really show how far off cells are. I had trouble with them shutting off under charge at 13.8-14v rather then 14.4. They also do not meet discharge amperage ratings. I’ve had them repeatedly shut down after several minutes at 80-90% rated continuous discharge. Fail on top of fail.

@Roll2Videos Год назад

Oh wow, Great information thank you.

@lonnysaucerman1711 Год назад

Was getting ready to order a deep cycle battery for trolling motor. Will take chins off list.

@Roll2Videos Год назад

Yeah... Check out some of my other battery reviews 😁

@donwilson7826 Год назад

Great video! Just bought my 5th and 6th Chins 100Ah 12V. Would you be able to weigh your new battery so all of us can use weight to tell the difference.Thanks!!

@Roll2Videos Год назад

Great idea

@donwilson7826 Год назад

@@Roll2Videos just weighed the 4 batteries two @ 22.3lbs and two @ 23lbs

@Roll2Videos Год назад

@@donwilson7826 I'm sure it'll be ok. Just keep an eye on them.

@igorkvachun3572 Год назад

Yes video👍 ⚡🔌🔋💡

@davidpatrick1813 Год назад

It is likely you got one of their normal batteries. Most tubers they send out batteries they know is their best and others will buy based on the good reviews. I have been having issues two others right now, first (resolved) was an Apretime 200 Ah and right now an EG4 rack 12V 400 ... it is being sent back... less than three months of use and .. it still has 5 year (low) warranty. What are these quick money sellers doing? Reputation is worth more than gold or silver ... and people will say I am nuts.

@Roll2Videos Год назад

Sucks to hear your bad experiences. Hopefully the future bring you better luck.

@davidpatrick1813 Год назад

@@Roll2Videos Thank you for the encouragement

@leog9524 Год назад

Where did you purchase this battery and do they have a year or month their craftsmanship failed

@Roll2Videos Год назад

Chins website, About a year ago.

@434holly Год назад

Bought 2 Chinn batteries 1.5 years ago and they are junk now. BMS wont wake up. Looking for new batteries for my RV solar now. Thanks

@Roll2Videos Год назад

Omg, I'm sorry to hear that. What a waste of money. I've emailed them for comment with no reply. What a shame

@gilianrampart8514 Год назад

@@Roll2Videos replace the BMS?

@Roll2Videos Год назад

@@gilianrampart8514 It's not the BMS; there is a short in one of the cells. The best thing to do is to recycle the pack at the proper facility

@WizzRacing Год назад

All comes down too availability of the cells.. As it seem when prices started dropping. The Supply chain of the cells can not keep up now.. As the price son them are below $300.00 US now.. This puts them within reach of the average user now... But I would still use them. If they warranty them.. Until Graphene batteries come out.. As Graphene is going to change the world of Solar storage beyond anything out today...

@Roll2Videos Год назад

The future looks promising. It sucks I couldn't get full capacity as advertised.

@CECS1 Год назад

I'd love to see a public comment from the company about this. A loose bolt is absolutely inexcusable at any price point.

@Roll2Videos Год назад

I've reached out to them by email with my video link for comment. No reply. The worst part is that the capacity test was a fail which tells me there is an internal short in one of the cells. 🫤

@rondamon8004 7 месяцев назад

Now they have the 100ah minis in all brands you can think of and I believe they're all pouch cells which I think is a cheaper made battery at a higher price....I do not like when companies take advantage of customers trust and money...

@Ben6n Год назад

I’m glad I go with power queen 😊

@ReadTheBible33 Год назад

That's what I'm thinking on.

@ItsEverythingElse Год назад

Where are the comparable tests for Power Queen?

@jimbeam5 Год назад

They began using pouch cells early last year.

@Foxfried Год назад

Did chins send this battery to you or did you buy it from your own? If its from you own...then perhaps there is something to the these companies cherry pick units for reviewers and send something else to the average buyer...

@Roll2Videos Год назад

This did not come from Chins. I really hope most companies don't do as you've described. 🤨

@UPdan Год назад

@@Roll2Videos A knock off battery like smartphones? That would be so easy.

@matt21_22 Год назад

Bought 2 chins 100ah batteries only lasted one season each. Used it on 24 volt trolling motor

@Roll2Videos Год назад

Only 1 season? Wow that's bad

@johnmerton3630 Год назад

do you say lead acid battery

@Roll2Videos Год назад

Can you give me a time in the video for reference

@todamnbad Год назад

You sure it's lifepo4? I know that also make another chemistry battery, maybe it's mislabeled

@Roll2Videos Год назад

I did not check the marking on the packs. Maybe in a future video, I can check that.

@GTrainRx7 Год назад

Did you top balance it and try again? How did you verify your conclusions? Not really seeing an issue, you could have returned it, or tested it with a top balance, only then might you have an issue... It would literally take less than a day to check the top balance... then you try to sell something else. Suspicious much?

@Roll2Videos Год назад

Thank you for the comment. Yes, I did try to top balance and one pouch expanded to where it was almost going to explode, so I stopped. I was going to film the attempt, but I just decided to move on with my life. Thank you for watching.

@SpeakerKevin 9 месяцев назад

"That's different" Ha Ha🤣

@OnRappel Год назад

Dude, the nut is right there on your bench!!

@Roll2Videos Год назад

No, there was two terminal screws on the bench. Is that what you're referring to?

@melvin5818 10 месяцев назад

that is sad 😢

@brianstone3972 7 месяцев назад

I bought a 250 AH Chins for my boat on Amazon. It worked well initially but then refused to charge. After a bunch of troubleshooting, chins determined the BMS was faulty. Despite their warranty that promised a free replacement in the first year, they are refusing to do so. I won't be buying anymore from them.

@Roll2Videos 7 месяцев назад

Sorry to hear that. There are many stories just like yours with this company

@rogue0921 Год назад

We were shocked by the outcome of your test of the CHINS battery. Also very surprised they're using pouch cells. We need to correct one thing we've noticed and say this with care. It's battery cell capacity. Not compacity. Keep up the great work.

@Roll2Videos Год назад

Thank you, I will practice this speech correction.

@lickalittle Год назад

No your wrong. Pouch cells are dangerous not used for specific purposes. In a battery case there not stable. Renogy was using them and stopped due to failure issues.

@Roll2Videos Год назад

It depends on the chemistry.

@alpachino468 11 месяцев назад

Unfortunately I have more Chins than a Chinese phonebook 😂

@Roll2Videos 11 месяцев назад

Any problems with them?

@lukefarmer5391 Год назад

Possibly a cheep knock off of a cheep battery? I would not be surprised. Is it truly a chins?

@Roll2Videos Год назад

Well, it came from the Chins website, so I'm going to assume Chins is selling Chins products.

@thundercats475 Год назад

Nice taking down of the scammers.

@da7heaven Год назад

it's a shame that once they got a good reputation, they reverted to sloppy substandard work.

@Roll2Videos Год назад

I agree

@scarygary3569 Год назад

Chins is short for "Chinsey"

@CollinBaillie Год назад

I hate to be that guy, but... loose change?

@Roll2Videos Год назад

It was a possibility

@Th3mast3r69 5 месяцев назад

They used to be good.

@UPdan Год назад

If this did not come from Chins it could be a knock off like smartphones and,and,and.

@Roll2Videos Год назад

It was not sent to me by Chins for review. It did come from chins without their knowledge of my intent.

@turk_dogan 11 месяцев назад

👍👍🙂

@martehoudesheldt5885 Год назад

prismatic is a chemistry not a case style. bring it up to charge and top balance then test cap

@Roll2Videos Год назад

I'm not sure how a shape (Prismatic) is a chemistry; this is a lithium iron phosphate chemistry (LifePO4). I'm attempting to balance the cells, but cell number 4 seems to not be absorbing the CV.

@johngrimley3523 Год назад

They should change there name to chintzy.

@Roll2Videos Год назад

Hahaha hahaha nice

@vitok2010 5 месяцев назад

spray electrolyte?? lol what?

@Roll2Videos 5 месяцев назад

@jeremyconner7610 2 месяца назад

@@Roll2Videos you said the battery could spray electrolytes

@Roll2Videos 2 месяца назад

@@jeremyconner7610 Yes, That is the liquid inside the pouch. If it's under pressure, it would spray electrolyte

@daviddorsey8754 8 месяцев назад

Looks like lazy Will Prose rip off,Of you found somthing wrong.

@Roll2Videos 8 месяцев назад

I disagree. I would say he was the victim of said company. They had changed the manufacturing practice after his review. He no longer recommends this company on his website. www.mobile-solarpower.com/lithium-batteries.html

@daviddorsey8754 8 месяцев назад

@@Roll2Videos you're a good friend Peace.

@Roll2Videos 8 месяцев назад

@@daviddorsey8754 he's never talked to me, I'm small potatoes 😁 Later bud

@samcarrs Год назад

All the lithium batteries come from China. These have the best reviews on Amazon. Not sure what you guys think you are going to buy. Battle born is 60% more expensive with Chinese parts put together with American hands. I got the 300 ah chin on the way. They are second to battle born by the majority. Get your lithium before you can’t. So he recommends another Chinese battery with a lower review nobody has heard of ... lol

@Roll2Videos Год назад

Yes dancer, Because I've tested and opened both batteries. I hope your batteries work perfectly for you.

@samcarrs Год назад

I read all the comments on this battery at Amazon. It’s more expensive than Chins, and the customer service is nowhere near as good as chins. Any battery can have a problem, if I have a problem I want customer service to remedy it fast which chins does according to everyone. Any of these Chinese kids installing can make a mistake on any given day. The battery has a great warranty and service nothing less than battle born batteries, maybe better from what I’ve heard...

@Roll2Videos Год назад

@@samcarrs Your comment about kids is pretty rude. You do realize a lot of these Amazon reviews are fake right? Like a huge number of them. You can trust that or someone who filmed all the tests and opened the battery and showed the internals. Some average Joe on amazon or someone who spends year's focusing on this very topic. All the best to you brother.

@vaq137 Год назад

I have not seen any issues with CHINS either, sometimes reviews need to be "REVIEWED" ;)

@gilianrampart8514 Год назад

@@vaq137 you own one,right?

@xbleriot Год назад

They are at $267 at Walmart......their 200Ah ($550) are prismatic cells

@Roll2Videos Год назад

Good luck

@xbleriot Год назад

@@Roll2Videos does that mean I should not buy it?

@Roll2Videos Год назад

@@xbleriot That's up to you. I supply the information to the best of my ability. It's your decision to make

@TravisTellsTruths 6 месяцев назад

They're cheating reviews

@Roll2Videos 6 месяцев назад

That appears to be so

@alexkalish8288 Год назад

I am not buying one of these even though I need a new battery bank. Typical Chinese company - zero ethics.

@Roll2Videos Год назад

I wouldn't lump them all together; plenty of companies, even US companies, unfortunately, have practices like this, Thankfully there is a platform like RU-vid for people to review products. I am happy to hear I may have saved you from a potentially bad purchase. 🍻

@vaq137 Год назад

Then why even watch the review if these are "typical"??

@Roll2Videos Год назад

@@vaq137 Right! Lol

@ItsEverythingElse Год назад

So I guess you're only buying Battle Born then if you're ruling out all Chinese.

@Roll2Videos Год назад

@@ItsEverythingElse No, not at all. Look at some of my other videos.

@JOHNDANIEL1 Год назад

Chins is bad, part of a group of 12 in one importer union. But Chins has a problem, it's a WOKE employee ran all female with 3 USA women in charge. ( current politics in USA related to their bad decisions like Bud Light if your up to date ) so they are picking a lousy assembler in north China unlike its sister brands using south east china. So its poorest built in this line up. They are using same assembly makers as Wulills & LISUATELI tech and cells that makes Kepworth suck.

@Roll2Videos Год назад

Wait, What's wrong with bud light? Quick, I'm standing in Target about to buy a case. I guess I can untuck and walk out of here; Canada has the best beer anyhow 🤪

@Roll2Videos Год назад

Hahahahahaha

@xbleriot Год назад

So what are the others that use better assemblers?