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Chivalry 2 - Ultimate WEAPON TIERLIST (Team Objective) 

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@vanrick772
@vanrick772 Год назад
Gotta say I've seen alot of ''Tierlists'' but your idea to combine data from good players and to stick to ONE gamemode is super impressive and made this tierlist very relevant. Good job.
@allighast9714
@allighast9714 2 года назад
Bows range from F to S depending on how good the person holding it is
@assassinofvenice8430
@assassinofvenice8430 2 года назад
They're pretty shitty to aim especially when your enemy notices you
@ravivandersalm4586
@ravivandersalm4586 2 года назад
bow is s tier for finishing people off thus freeing up teammates
@sgtandyboy4377
@sgtandyboy4377 2 года назад
Reg bow is good if the user uses it to do chip damages to multiple players quickly, giving your teammates a heath advantage in duels. Long bow I normally use for guys that are already damaged enough to be one shot with 50-70 damage, that way it reduces the number of enemies my teammates will have to duel at once
@franklyjustty
@franklyjustty 2 года назад
“Stop the arrows, KILL THE ARCHERS”
@knavenformed9436
@knavenformed9436 2 года назад
While you can gain a control advantage with bows, in team objective stalling and objective numbers are just that more important than the work of a bow. I feel like Ambusher with throwing knives still outdoes bows in being closer range and finishing duels faster, while being closer to objective most of the time. Javelins are really good and with the shield you can leave one javelin as a main weapon to get closer to objectives. Crossbowman has banner which pretty much makes up for how insignificant it feels to play the class, though when I see a Crossbowman with a banner planted in his sniping spot it's pretty much a dead player in the team.
@christophercarney1809
@christophercarney1809 2 года назад
And this is one of the many reasons this game is so great. You can have a favorite weapon that you play really well with (for me war club) that is considered to be not the best option and its still viable. So much parity across the battlefield makes this game so re-playable as you try out different weapons and play styles. I think the fact that there is no sbmm plays a large part in that because in other games its implementation pushes players towards whatever the current meta weapon/play style is. Welcome to all the newbies and have fun!
@k1mpman
@k1mpman 2 года назад
i hate sbmm so much, im so glad chiv 2 doesnt have it.
@MichaelIZKOOL
@MichaelIZKOOL 2 года назад
@@k1mpman Yeah, it seems to work without it because of the large number of players in team objective and stuff. The one thing I think should happen is team skill balancing. That's to say that if one team has all the level 200s and the other team only has noobs it should probably push some of those high levels to the other team to make it interesting.
@tigbittiesmcgee3284
@tigbittiesmcgee3284 2 года назад
Parity* not parody, but I agree 100%
@RaynDrahps
@RaynDrahps 2 года назад
Wooden chair is a solid B
@boscobaracus1823
@boscobaracus1823 2 года назад
The bonk stick is a favorite of mine also
@tradesman1000
@tradesman1000 2 года назад
It would be nice to see the flail (spiked ball and chain) implemented into the next update! 😁
@MoonlightGuided
@MoonlightGuided 2 года назад
My hopes are high, the road map mentions a new weapon for the next major update
@danielmaughan7395
@danielmaughan7395 2 года назад
Not a real weapon
@tradesman1000
@tradesman1000 2 года назад
@@danielmaughan7395 neither is that ridiculously wide blade on the highland sword! It’s not meant to be historical, it’s just a game.
@hernanperez5737
@hernanperez5737 2 года назад
It would be garbage since like in real life you would just hit yourselve most of the time
@tradesman1000
@tradesman1000 2 года назад
@@hernanperez5737 depends how the devs implement the physics of such a weapon champ. I’m sure they wouldn’t design it hit yourself ! 😆
@2me300
@2me300 2 года назад
Would love a specialised duel tier list like this if you haven’t got one already
@MarcHimself1337
@MarcHimself1337 2 года назад
We want the hour long video!
@zerozerozero_0
@zerozerozero_0 2 года назад
100%
@Wanderer628
@Wanderer628 2 года назад
I agree with nearly everything but the Falchion. I've no idea what the group has against it but its 1000% not a mediocre weapon.
@antoncabotta5364
@antoncabotta5364 2 года назад
Yes. The falchion can absolutely mow people in TO as MAA
@tomfoolery597
@tomfoolery597 2 года назад
And why is Sword not S. Literally hasn’t got a single flaw. It’s fast, has good damage and high range for a secondary that also happens to available on two of the best classes and is scattered around most maps in infinite supply
@jordicl4325
@jordicl4325 2 года назад
@@tomfoolery597 1vs X potential. it's too short to be good for that.
@BassBumpin108
@BassBumpin108 2 года назад
@@tomfoolery597 this is objective based, short weapons like this end up getting crowded and you just die
@Sulamanjansulttaani
@Sulamanjansulttaani Год назад
@@tomfoolery597 because its objective rankings, high reach weapons are way better there
@MrMinecraftmasters12
@MrMinecraftmasters12 2 года назад
Great list except the falchion being in C tier, it is criminally underrated
@thesevendeadlysins578
@thesevendeadlysins578 2 года назад
I agree with that.
@rileyxbell
@rileyxbell 2 года назад
Most accurate list I've seen. I agree with pretty much every single one of these. One thing I would change is move the war axe up to B tier. I think it's one of the best well rounded weapons in the game for range, speed, damage, drags, duel ability. I find myself using it more often than the great sword because its slash does much more damage than the gs. And its light attacks are surprisingly fast and hit hard. Comes in clutch a lot more often than the gs in TO.
@ritoTM
@ritoTM 2 года назад
i agree
@Octaviatrance
@Octaviatrance 2 года назад
Love the morning star, its like falchon but crushes armor, still swings very fast, has a nice rushing special as well. Heavy overheads deliver solid damage as well for a one hander
@probearfighter7229
@probearfighter7229 2 года назад
I cannot believe the war axe wasn’t at least A Tier
@phantomdrift1169
@phantomdrift1169 10 месяцев назад
I think chivalry is an amazingly balanced game. I've been able to do great with some of these low ranked weapons, and very poorly with some of the high ranked ones. I think overall, blunt weapons maybe could use a little buf, but they're so fun to use and I don't really feel handicapped using them
@Zipcode1609
@Zipcode1609 2 года назад
Forgot the the throwing mallet. Absolute s++++
@joelhernandez41
@joelhernandez41 2 года назад
I'm shocked the Falchion scored so low. it's nets me high kills when I opt for sword & shield
@zilliq
@zilliq 2 года назад
picked up the game recently, got into duels against a falchion users and it's so damn hard to read its mixups while the damage seemed quite high
@thatboii274
@thatboii274 2 года назад
I love the fact that you didn’t fake a tier list for clickbait, outstanding effort and amazing help👌🤘🔥🔥
@Swaggaccino
@Swaggaccino 2 года назад
I've been playing a bunch since the game came out and I played Chiv 1 back in the day as well. Experimented on and off with nearly every weapon (nearly mind you). Now I don't have a tier list but I do have favorites and weapons that I usually play better with and I can attest that - Dane Axe, Greatsword, and Maul are definitely higher tiers in the game by far. Right around A/S tier. You can't go wrong with any of them. Thus this is a very solid and accurate list. Thank you for this. Good work.
@richm368
@richm368 Год назад
I do wish you had evaluated the javelins. They can be used in melee pretty well. They're fast, have some range, and kills targets in about three pokes. Headshots from throwing them of course are devastating.
@jimmay1988
@jimmay1988 Год назад
I feel like he should've mentioned the Javelin being at same tier as one handed spear.
@muffinconsumer4431
@muffinconsumer4431 Год назад
It’s bogged down by the class that uses it. Having nearly half the stamina of every other class and pitiful health is a kick in the nuts in duels and 1vX
@Smogytho
@Smogytho 2 года назад
Would love seeing something like that for class
@rileyxbell
@rileyxbell 2 года назад
Agreed. If you ignored weapons I think anything with a healing banner would give you the most points in TO depending on the map. And then next would be anything with a healing horn. Personally I think the best overall class in the game is vanguard raider. 2 primaries + healing horn.
@jonb6564
@jonb6564 2 года назад
Perhaps you wanna do an updated advanced combat guide with these pros?
@highestqualitypigiron
@highestqualitypigiron 2 года назад
I feel like I'm using the two handed spear incorrectly. Everyone says it's absolutely busted but I never manage to outcompete my polehammer when using it.
@MichaelIZKOOL
@MichaelIZKOOL 2 года назад
I've not tried it yet, but people who own me with it like to use the special a lot. Also, it seems to be good at stabbing around people's blocks.
@maxli5635
@maxli5635 2 года назад
always behind your teammates
@TheKingOf2024
@TheKingOf2024 2 года назад
my best match today was with executioners axe 22-7
@Vlad_-_-_
@Vlad_-_-_ 2 года назад
Very well put together list, you can clearly see who made knows the game well. It reflects what I also see on the battlefield again and again. The weapons in the A and S tiers just dominate the games. All in all the game does have a great selection of very viable weapons, a decent player can play well with any weapon up untill including B tier. I would love so much to see some love for the glave though... As it is, there is no reason to use it. Its like the halberd without the damage, why would you ever pick it up ? Sure you can accel and do some swing manipulations and I face guys that did it well. But they need to trick you so many times because of the poor damage, that it just does not matter in the end, when they end up getting smacked by weapons that do actual damage.
@pendulunium2408
@pendulunium2408 2 года назад
I wonder why the 1h axe is listed so low? It deals almost as much damage as warhammer while being way faster.
@igotbluesdevils
@igotbluesdevils 2 года назад
True, in the right hands it's devastating. My favorite weapon
@SpartanIsGaming
@SpartanIsGaming 2 года назад
Couldn’t agree more with most of this list. I’m currently lvl 520 and I play mostly siege. I do want to mention 2 handed spear have a difficult time defending against a push of 1 v x while on defense but on offense it is easily the most survivable weapon. War axe id move up to S or high A tier since you have that increased health, war horn, and the combo speed bonus for spamming attacks and clearing rooms of low level players. Dane axe is also S tier in anything but big team because of the low health so I agree with A tier. Oh and warhammer easily S tier because of the high health, banner, and just insane damage outputs and fast hitting overheads. I’ve killed 5 people in 1 hit with that baby maul defending doors. For this list you could also include armor and abilities since healing and extra armor is essential for points and surviving archer spam in big team battles. (Crossbow got a huge nerf to damage so heavy classes are even more survivable) Since you did mention K/D is a factor for this list. Love to see all these high level NA players help make this tier list it is the best one I’ve seen yet, nice job man.
@hiror4in349
@hiror4in349 2 года назад
I agree with most of everything but the shovel. That thing is hilariously fun to use
@marc7817
@marc7817 Год назад
amazing tierlist, i can only agree, allways first with the two handed spear and the greatsword
@Atrigraphy
@Atrigraphy 2 года назад
What I love about this comment section is that even though we have a tier list now, everyone still has their own favourite weapon =)
@craigblankenship7790
@craigblankenship7790 Год назад
I’m like Donatello with that war club 😂
@nicccandussi865
@nicccandussi865 2 года назад
Supernice Video, great idea and well executed!! Duel tierlist when?? 🙌🙌
@ThefamousMrcroissant
@ThefamousMrcroissant 2 года назад
This is a very good format for a tier list, aggregating the average of 4 excellent players.
@mediumhoss4515
@mediumhoss4515 Год назад
There are two players in the west coast North American servers that I see regularly top the board in team objective, riplimb and Wunshootyboi and they usually use axes.
@makodium7003
@makodium7003 2 года назад
Nice tierlist, shame you forgot to rate the ranged weapons!
@jimboslice689
@jimboslice689 2 года назад
Range weapons are not real
@SirSquash
@SirSquash 2 года назад
please do a tier list with environment weapons! some maps have weapons like scythe and others, that thing had a huge arc with decent speed and dmg only 45 but you could hit so many people at once and drag all over the place
@sgt.squeegee1720
@sgt.squeegee1720 2 года назад
I play a lot of Guardian and the Mace is a seriously good weapon. I have some pretty great luck with it. It hits hard against footmen and knights, has a decent range and hits hard all-round. This is my personal opinion but definitely give it a try.
@Zvly521
@Zvly521 2 года назад
Love seeing the homie kwazi on here
@gamerguy765
@gamerguy765 2 года назад
Did you get explain why the archer weapons didn’t get ranked ? I watched the whole video to see where javelin got placed
@mebpfish3
@mebpfish3 2 года назад
Yeah I'm also confused by that, he literally had the weapons on the list there. I know people find them annoying but they are weapons in the game and they should be ranked. I've seen people top the leader board with the crossbow and the javelin is an interesting close range hybrid weapon for throwing and fighting. Every tier list I see always ignores them. They are in the game. They were supposed to be ranking weapons for Team Objective, not just for best duels. Which means that these weapons deserve to be objectively ranked with the rest. Ranged weapons are a reality in Team Objective, this is an incomplete tierlist without them.
@thewolf6355
@thewolf6355 2 года назад
hey, very good video, may we see the Duel-Tierlist after this video, in near future?
@blibblub1805
@blibblub1805 2 года назад
Is it worth it to switch from Mordhau to Chiv 2?
@SanchoSiberia
@SanchoSiberia 2 года назад
idk but its different as fuck
@1IGG
@1IGG 2 года назад
Do you like to have a game where it completely looks retarded where you manipulate attacks? Stay with Mordhau. If you want a game that actually looks like you are using weapons as they're supposed to be, Chivalry 2.
@DraxTheDestroyer
@DraxTheDestroyer 2 года назад
100%, you won't regret it.
@kalivarn1854
@kalivarn1854 2 года назад
Definitely. If you're unsure, you can still refund it after 2h-3h of playtime. Just buy the game, play it for 2h and ask yourself if you still want more afterwards.
@dimoronen
@dimoronen 2 года назад
100% it's a much better game
@ihavenomouthandimusttype9729
S tier 2h spear Great sword Highland sword A tier Messer Sword Halberd Dane ax 1h spear Warhammer Polehammer 2h hammer War hammer Long sword Maul D tier Knoife Cudgel Hatchet
@TheANDRINGA
@TheANDRINGA Год назад
I agree with everything but the Falchon. I love that and the heavy shield.
@SilverionX
@SilverionX 2 года назад
This was a really good and informative video. I would actually be interested in that longer form discussion of each weapons pros and cons. I understand why you wouldn't as RU-vid doesn't look kindly on long videos though.
@degiguess
@degiguess 2 года назад
Can someone explain the "spears have good mixups" thing? I feel like whenever I fight against them they're pretty predictable to the point that I kind of assumed predictability was intended to be one of the major downsides of the spears. I mean, they can only stab and overhead so they're pretty easy to dodge around. Not to mention 9 times out of 10 they're going to stab which makes them pretty easy to counter imo.
@XannnyTanner
@XannnyTanner 2 года назад
The attacks come out pretty quick and if you win a single faint/counter faint the duel is all but won. Not to mention it just abuses alot of weapons with shorter range, where by the time you get in the 2HSpear typically has a pretty large stamina advantage, enough that even if you win the 50/50s you could easily end up disarmed because the damage is so high.
@ghostleemann955
@ghostleemann955 Год назад
rapier underrated fr
@EchoesofLore
@EchoesofLore Год назад
I main a vanguard (primarily greatsword) so I'm happy :)
@thelastgambler5423
@thelastgambler5423 2 года назад
Love the list. Only thing I'd change personally . Is war club being in the mud range in B tier, really fast really long plus a damage multiplayer to armored class is great
@tomfoolery597
@tomfoolery597 2 года назад
I swear I can’t land a hit on good war club players. Glaive as well. They’re practically the same weapon just one is chop and one is blunt
@messageinathrottle4046
@messageinathrottle4046 Год назад
I feel like “round up” means something different than rounding down. 2 S tiers and 2 A tiers should “round up” to S tier.
@reformedfridge9578
@reformedfridge9578 2 года назад
Nice tier list! Would love to see one for duals in the future.
@toasty78787
@toasty78787 2 года назад
Me too
@danielwhitman2255
@danielwhitman2255 2 года назад
Man kinglouie has been helping me so much since i first started thank you so much man
@slimdouglas1959
@slimdouglas1959 Год назад
Amazing video, thoroughly helpful 👍 really admired how you brought in such relevant guests. I will subscribe!! Happy holidays to you
@herbderp9040
@herbderp9040 2 года назад
Can you make a duel tier list with those guys next? Noone did a good duel tier list yet.
@therealmuffinseller9686
@therealmuffinseller9686 2 года назад
I’m of and on with spear but it’s so fun when I’m playing well, poke poke
@sllovian7121
@sllovian7121 Год назад
Awesome vid, thx, i love the longsword so far
@shanedillis153
@shanedillis153 Год назад
New player playing on Xbox and I’m having alotnof fun but, man some of the weapons either feel to slow or to weak. I do like the spear waiting to unlock the rapier and glaive
@alexanderbabjak6265
@alexanderbabjak6265 2 года назад
Man I found homer in one of my games. Didnt know he was famous
@RandomBenie
@RandomBenie 2 года назад
2 A tier, 2 B tier, we round up, by putting it below the halfway mark at the top of B tier.... what?
@XannnyTanner
@XannnyTanner 2 года назад
He literally explained the scoring system at the beginning. S=1 D=5 average the points to decide where it falls in the list.
@RandomBenie
@RandomBenie 2 года назад
@@XannnyTanner Ill rewatch, It just also wouldnt make sense if i was scored in a game between 4 judges who gave m 20,20,40,40. the average would be 30. Then tell me they are gonna round it up and proceed toreduce my points to end points to 25 average? scammed asf haha
@XannnyTanner
@XannnyTanner 2 года назад
@@RandomBenie In the case it you explained the number would have been 3.5 which translates to the upper half of B tier numerically. He just wasn't going to round the number up and bump them into the next tier. Which was good, because it made S tier far more exclusive.
@RandomBenie
@RandomBenie 2 года назад
@@XannnyTanner Yeah i got it in the end thankfully haha, but i hope do you understand probably now how i ended up here XD
@jeremynewell2541
@jeremynewell2541 2 года назад
My favorite weapons the battle-axe
@pvpbarbrian4601
@pvpbarbrian4601 Год назад
Fun game to play and not too hard to get into. Good weapon tier list and made some changes to my knight setups after watching it. 2H weapons are overpowered and many ppl just spam heavy attacks with them. Big weapons should do big damage on distance but attacking someone who is standing next to you... :D Just take big axe, go outside and try to heavy attack tree that is half a meter from you... Not really a weapon tier list thing but fire damage is also just stupid on some places like walking past campfire, catching fire and dying from it.
@suuujuuus
@suuujuuus 2 года назад
I use the sledge hammer a lot, and end up always in the top 10 if not 1st score wise as well as kda wise. You need to do a lot of foot work due to its abysmal range
@soulmare333
@soulmare333 Год назад
Validation for my war club!!!specifically what he said about it, not the rating lol
@R2-D2...
@R2-D2... Год назад
There is one different between the greatsword, the one handed spear and the Highlander, the greatsword and the one handed spear need skill in order to be used correctly, the Highlander doesn't
@LordNotaek
@LordNotaek Год назад
Cudger is definitely S tier, I don’t even need my crossbow
@Hunter_IRL
@Hunter_IRL Год назад
You achieved concise imo. GG
@pathoftheranger
@pathoftheranger Год назад
This is great, I got wrecked by a guy with a war club so many times in one day of 1v1s that I switched to that as my primary. Great to know i was getting trashed by a mediocre weapon! I feel even worse now!
@ryansheehy1100
@ryansheehy1100 2 года назад
The second you put Dane axe in A tier this list lost all credibility
@MadMaxFuture
@MadMaxFuture 2 года назад
Thx 4info Dude ⚔
@bostons_departed3631
@bostons_departed3631 10 месяцев назад
I’m console for now and I live, and die by the Dane axe. Also, on console, it is literally the easiest weapon to throw and get a hit with. And you get two. What do you think I do? Throw. Hit. Whack. Tadaaaa.
@narvaisthequiet7988
@narvaisthequiet7988 2 года назад
We don't talk about range weapons
@leberleberfuerst9704
@leberleberfuerst9704 2 года назад
nice video man, earned a sub :). thanks for your effort
@JdwagDoesStuff
@JdwagDoesStuff 2 года назад
Wasn’t expecting the executioner axe to not be S
@jakestocker4854
@jakestocker4854 2 года назад
Greatsword crouch poke is the ultimate strart just like in Elden Ring
@OffshoreITguy
@OffshoreITguy 2 года назад
Awesome list, appreciate it.
@javousdeck6084
@javousdeck6084 8 месяцев назад
what about the bows?
@jacobburch7555
@jacobburch7555 Год назад
WAR CLUB S lol nah but it’s so ducking fast I love it for the devastator class.
@rudlterranigma5386
@rudlterranigma5386 2 года назад
Really good summery!
@frafra224
@frafra224 Год назад
2h spear is great in 1st person but I can't get it to work in 3rd person. 3rd person is overall better though.
@R2-D2...
@R2-D2... Год назад
I was about to disagree with Rapier being at B tier but then I realized this isn't dueling although it's still a really solid weapon with a slightly lower damage (knife deals more damage really unfair tbh) I'll give it the worst in A tier
@sirretsnom3329
@sirretsnom3329 2 года назад
Insanely Good or Over Powered? The main one that comes to mind is the Nooblander sword as I have seen it cleave through 4 people in one swing with the crouching spin-2-win meta. Fighting against the spear with dodge heavy stab spammer seems to have a none existent turn cap along with the Greatsword makes fighting against more than one close to impossible. As I have said since Alpha archers are still not balanced properly aka the only class with a class limit per server. But I am beating a dead horse. Overall the game is ok but far from great.
@Mentat13
@Mentat13 2 года назад
thanks mate :) just what we needed
@corerampage7587
@corerampage7587 2 года назад
war axe is amazing
@cmvgomj
@cmvgomj Год назад
Damn i was sure my homie pole axe was A tier
@fns58
@fns58 Год назад
You could have added a bit of text to each image to avoid having us be moving through the video to hear what you say to remember what was everything xD
@Ratt611
@Ratt611 2 года назад
Just got this, nice content for this game.
@hak1111111
@hak1111111 2 года назад
I would argue that ambusher hatchet is devastating. pretty slow, but has higher reach and damage compared to the other options
@hernanperez5737
@hernanperez5737 2 года назад
Bro slow weapons are the best since no one knows how to counter you
@troyhooker2933
@troyhooker2933 2 года назад
It seems the popular opinion is Two Handed Hammer is better than Heavy Mace? But How? THH has weaker Stabs than Heavy Mace. (All other attacks the same) THH all attacks are a little shorter than Heavy Mace. THH all attacks are slower than Heavy Mace (except tied for Stab windup )
@nafanpiecuch448
@nafanpiecuch448 Год назад
ya i fought with homer few times i manage to kill him once every 20 dueals. he is the bes dualist i ever came acros
@seriouslychip2652
@seriouslychip2652 Год назад
Anyone else amazed by the turkey? Throw a turkey at someones head and deal 30 damage 🤔 seems kinda crazy considering... its a turkey, will have to try this for real
@FraggingRoach
@FraggingRoach Год назад
liked the video because the lord of rings reference
@Monkey-Annihilator-
@Monkey-Annihilator- Год назад
Personally for me, the cudgel is A tier. I’m usually able to beat opponents 1 on 2, but when it comes to say 4 or more, that’s where it fails
@ghostcat5303
@ghostcat5303 Год назад
I tend to have my best games with the pole axe and the greatsword. Also funny to see these judges, I'm sure I've been killed many times by them.
@calebmartens7435
@calebmartens7435 2 года назад
Real good video thank you all for your info
@alkaholic4848
@alkaholic4848 2 года назад
So all of S tier takes a long time for a beginner to unlock. So much for Chiv supposedly being easier for new players!
@staggersonjagzsot
@staggersonjagzsot Год назад
is there a version of this list that's easier to read quickly?
@michaelporrello4018
@michaelporrello4018 2 года назад
Two handed spear is insanely strong
@Romans122YT
@Romans122YT 2 года назад
You are doing a great job, son.
@jotjakubjot
@jotjakubjot 2 года назад
Im glad you jumped the update bandwagon, you are great at explaining intricacies. Also glad that you did not include raved weapons 😂
@patrickmaloney5818
@patrickmaloney5818 2 года назад
The disrespect of the pickaxe is downright deplorable
@forrestblunt6613
@forrestblunt6613 2 года назад
Falchion is very good and i would put messer in the S tier
@HollowSaga-
@HollowSaga- 2 года назад
Can you do an update weapon tier list cause there’s no recent videos on it and as a new player I don’t want to rely on old tier list from months ago knowing there’s been a few patches that changed weapons
@shanefarmer805
@shanefarmer805 2 года назад
Love your videos brother
@thxspyro989
@thxspyro989 2 года назад
But the candlestick, dagger, goblet, pickaxe and scroll are the best of the best for me but you can only find them expect pickaxe
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