CHOLO DELUXE 36'' samson cholos install 

Definitely, thank you

Maybe a week, but that was pre Covid. It's not uncommon these days for higher end parts to have long wait times. HPI exhausts are a 6 month wait

Thanks Vick, the bike is in the shop at the moment for new wheels. But ill be sure to do a wheels film as soon as I get it back. Good luck with your build. Putting it all together is half the fun

Thanks man, you'll love it. Let me know how you like them, also feel free to reach out if you run in to any issues

Nope, didn't use the existing bracket. I only use the samson brackets. The more I think about those lenses the less I want to use them. At first they seemed kinda cool, but now I kinda feel like it's cool not to have them

The samson exhaust comes with the brackets you'll need. If you just need the brackets at this point then try Steady Custom Cycles. They sell some heavy duty brackets that I've been using for a few months now. Definitely recommend

Yeah, you could do that. The samson fishtail ends are about 6", so subtract that from whatever size you originally got.

It will run fine without baffles. You might get a few pops on the downrev. In a perfect world you'd want to re-tune for that, but you truly don't need to unless you're changing your intake as well.

I’ve the bike! Are you running torque cones in the pipes? I want to remove my baffles and keep the power . Might just be a dream.

I'm running FP3 for tune. So yes, I did re-tune it after installing it and it ran smoother

They're DNA mammoth 52 fat spoke diamond cut. Roughly 2500

The brackets come with the samson exhaust.

I'd like to help you, but it takes forever to type. Scroll the comments, I've answered this question before. And I answered it in the video

Its not permanent, I change it as necessary. Takes 10 min to adjust the ride height. With the 16 rear, 2inch drop and 36" cholos I would scrape a lot

@@JETFILMCHANNEL Oh...How do you change it in 10 min?

They're 422's so they're adjustable. Jack the the bike up, a few turns of the wrench and its all done.

That's a LePera bare bones seat

Baffles are out. No issues with the cops, it's a Harley

You'll be able to do it yourself, and you'll gain mechanical confidence in doing so. It's pretty straightforward as far as "nuts and bolts" go. The only difficult/frustrating part was sealing up leaks on the cross pipe. Like any mod, take your time, be organized, and get some exhaust pipe sealant before you begin because you'll probably need it.

@@JETFILMCHANNEL thanks brother i appreciate it. . just got the pipes in today so tomorrow is the big day. . lord i hope this goes well lol. Be safe out there much respect💪🙌

Well, this was 2 years ago, the bike is completely different now. I ended up doing stretched fenders which made the 36's short. So I now have 40's. Watch the more recent videos, I talk about them and why.

Yeah, it will sound a little funny if its leaking a lot. Try sticking your hand around the area of some of the connection points, and feel for blowing air while its idling.

I believe I measured it at 108"

@@JETFILMCHANNEL Wow, I have 109" - 110" space, thanks!

Hey man, sorry to hear that. I did use the FP3 and used an off the shelf stage 1 map. It'll ask you which hardware you are using and you just input what you have into the map. Just so you're aware, these pipes will sacrifice a couple lbs of torque compared to stock. It's a trade off for the looks. If the bike is really running badly you may have a significant exhaust leak. Check all connections especially the crossover behind the rear cylinder. If the leak is bad, it'll sound really crappy especially at low rpm under moderate-high load and it'll kill your power. I've been there, it takes patience to get those connections to seal properly. You may want to look at picking up some pipe sealer at the auto parts store.

@@JETFILMCHANNEL Cheers John for the advice. You were right in your video, these are pig to install and I’m going to double check that crossover. When I installed the crossover I had issues with gear shifter linkage hitting the pipe and I spent hours adjusting it just to stop it from hitting.

Managed to resolve my issues, that bloody cross pipe was leaking and where it connected to the rear cylinder. The inner nut on the rear cylinder is virtually impossible to get onto due to the return bend on the pipe. I note on one of your more recent videos you had to get the cross over pipe replaced but you do not say why. Would be interested to know what happened just in case it’s something I need to look out for. How are you getting on with those DNA wheels, possibly my next purchase when the wife isn’t looking? You now how it is.

Thanks man, good luck with the install. You'll love 'em.

J.E.T. FILM you weren’t lying about the pain in the ass install man. But definitely worth it. I had a two into one that sounds like a scooter compared to these pipes lmao

Yeah what a pain, but definitely worth it. Agreed!

You could also try spacing out the right muffler at the mount with a washer to even it out. Got to do what you gotta do

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Thanks, it absolutely does. But then again, this is the wrong style of build to try and squeeze out every ounce of power. The pipes alone will hurt power, even if I installed the baffles. 2-1 is best for power but it ruins the look and the sound of the style im going for. Got to make compromises somewhere. Cheers!

@@JETFILMCHANNEL yes you are right jet , it didn’t look right with 2n to 1.I don’t think 2 n1 looks good or would look good on my road king.

Thanks man, the street bobs are among the few HD's I would buy. Great platform for a custom bobber. Thanks for the good vibes, more to come.

Thanks man, the street bobs are among the few HD's I would buy. Great platform for a custom bobber. Thanks for the good vibes, more to come.

J.E.T. FILM yeah exactly what I’m doing to mine just need some 12” ape hangers and the le pera bare bone seat 👊🏼

I didn't but im considering it. I definitely lost a couple ft/lbs

Oh man, I know it. It sucked, and to make it worse I had to fix so many reoccurring leaks in that "crossover" area. So many bloody knuckles. But in the end, it looks/ sounds awesome which made it all worth it

Yup,,a bitch to install,,i had the same one side duel set up on my deluxe with bologna cut,,sounded nice but i like the true duel look,,at least 12 hours to install on a deluxe

I am doing a 36 inch install now , the cross over pipe hits the fins on the back of the jug. And the nut is impossible to tighten up because the pipe is to close to the stud. This is definitely a defect in the jigs they use to manufacture these exhaust systens. If samson does not help I will be returning this Samson 36 inch Cholos , it should not be this way to spend a 1000 bucks and to have the cross over pipe actually hit the rear jug and the non tightening of the nut issue , Samson knows there are issues and does nothing to the manufacturing process to make it right. I know 3 other bikes to have these pipes and they do not have a problem ...... Mine is a 15 heritage softail classic

Excellent observation. That's correct, the bag would have had contact with the left side exhaust. Kind of a bummer that I lost the storage space, but I counteracted the loss with a small bag mounted to my risers. Not great, but it helps.

@@JETFILMCHANNEL Ahhh I was kinda hoping you had figured out a way of keeping it. Getting ready to install some Samson 39" on my bike and was hoping for some additional storage other than a fork mounted bag

I didn't put up much of fight when I had to take it off because the strings that held it in place were starting to wear away the black frame paint. You could look into the triangle shaped metal tool box which gives a little extra space

Thanks, I love the Road kings. Good luck with the build.

No cones...yet. I do feel a very slight loss in torque in the low end, but it does feel better in the mid range. I'm running an FP3 so I re-tuned for the new pipes.

@@JETFILMCHANNEL awesome build... I'm ordering my pipes for the deluxe this week man, still need handlebars and wheels though. When tuning with the FP3... I didn't notice a samson map on there, what map did you use?

Yeah, it doesn't cover every exhaust, but try to get it as close as possible. I think I used the Vance and Hines fishtail true duals map, which is an almost identical exhaust. Then run Autotune for a couple hundred miles and let the FP3 fine tune your map to suit your engine and mods, apply to autotune and you should be good to go. Customization features on the FP3 are great to set idle speeds, exhaust pop, etc.

You can change the exhaust without a tune, but if you change the intake then you'll need a tune. If you already have a tune and want to fine tune it for that particular exhaust than it wouldn't hurt. I changed mine to match my pipes, didn't really notice a difference though.

@@JETFILMCHANNEL hi John so from ur experience I don’t have to change the tune if it make No difference?

Right, no tune is necessary for exhaust as long as you continue to use the stock air intake.

@@JETFILMCHANNEL thank u my man. Are u from Westchester, and if u are have u heard of a place called JP CustomsNYC down in Westchester.

Yeah from westchester, and I've heard of JP but never been there before. You recommend them?

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I'm 5.11 but I always rest my feet on the highway pegs which stretches out the legs. If you like the look of the deluxe but find it too small, then check out the road king, its very similar but larger.

Permatex pipe sealant tape works pretty well for this, and a wide band exhaust clamp can help spread the load to capture more area. Make sure the mating surface is clear of any grit too. I've come to accept that it will never be perfect for very long. The exhaust always finds a way out especially with the amount of vibration the system puts up with. Best you can do is make it as perfect as possible from the start, and retighten every now and then.

@@JETFILMCHANNEL thanks bro I'll try that if I cant tighten it up anymore

So what do you do when you need remove the exhaust

It's very rare that you'll need to completely remove the headers. Replaced the whole swingarm without touching the exhaust. If you do, just repeat the process.

@@JETFILMCHANNEL thanks again

Hey man, sounds awesome. I've heard lately that Carlini's were almost impossible to find. Everything is sold out. The only tricky part of the fishtail install is eliminating the inherent exhaust leak at the "crossover" connection points. People without leaks are the lucky few. But there are a few ways of creating seals for those leaks, I personally used permatex exhaust puddy and tape and it worked pretty well. Some new exhaust gaskets wouldn't hurt, they're very cheap.

@@JETFILMCHANNEL I purchased the gaskets, flanges, torque cones and the chrome bracket upgrade as my bikes pretty chromed out. Shame about the Carlini bars. Thanks for the advice on the exhaust sealant. Keep posting the vids, nice to see someone who appreciates the cholo design that doesn’t actually look like a gangster. I mean that in the nicest possible way.

Directcycleparts.com and I got them for $650

Damn, thats the best price i have seen, thanks. Did it take forever to get them?

I got them in about 3 weeks

Thanks man!

No, I used 2 inch risers from Carlini. And I installed solid metal bushings to combat any bar flex.

J.E.T. FILM okay thanks!

You don't have to but it'll run better if the tune is specific to a "non baffled" exhaust. I'm using an FP3 so I re-mapped it right in the garage, 5 min. Good question

@@JETFILMCHANNEL ok thanks got 05 deluxe Sampson duels Arlen Ness intake I’ve used fuel pak on my Sportsters any thing you recommend to remap please let me know thanks Chopper Dave

Those are the DNA mammoth 52 diamond spoke

Agreed, samson needs to redesign the connection points. They're too prone to leaks, especially when 90% of these styled exhausts are on lowered bikes

Hell yeah!

If I remember correctly it came with a new bracket which allows more room for the crossover pipe

They're 16" on 2" risers and I'm 5'10

Yeah, I chucked those a long time ago. Got new pipes too

Thanks and did you use torque cones?

They're 16" Carlini gangsters 1.25" on 2 inch risers. Tightened down, they don't budge

In this film they are 16x3.5 and 21x3.5 but I recently changed wheels, now I have an 18x3.5 in the rear

J.E.T. FILM does it look better on 18s ?

Without a doubt

J.E.T. FILM awesome tour bike is the Best 😎 looking out here on RU-vid. What year is your bike? Thinking about to sell my bobber & get a heritage awesome bikes

It's a 2013, bit if you're planning on doing a full cholo build then I'd recommend the deluxe. A heritage is very similar to a deluxe, but it would require slightly more work to get it to look Cholo'd out.

It's a 2013 deluxe

Yeah, I re-tuned it in 5 min using the FP3

J.E.T. FILM thanks man I was wondering if I could get away without tuning it for now

I did test drive it for a couple miles without re-tuning it. It seemed to run fine, although the idle was a little rough.

J.E.T. FILM thanks man appreciate it can’t wait for next video to drop

Awesome, you'll love the sound. They really bark

They are the 36"

J.E.T. FILM sweet! Thanks

Thats a "LaPera bare bones" seat. If you search for it you might be able to find the exact one, if not the company will custom make one for you

Haha luckily I'm cool with my neighbors, so I try not to push it too far. I'll roll it down the road 100yrds before I cold start it for work at 5am. These unbaffled fishtails have a tendency to make some noise.

@@JETFILMCHANNEL I'll light her off in the driveway for about 3mins to get the oil moving. But I'll take off and shift at low rpm but once I hit the main road it's no holds bar lol

atta boy

They're 42"

@@JETFILMCHANNEL cool thank you ✅💯 do you know if it's possible to use quiete baffle 🤔

You can run a baffle if you use samson pipes, but not SCC pipes

@@JETFILMCHANNEL Hep thank you for your repply but i'm not the best in english because i come from Belgium. If i understand well it's possible to use a baffle if i buy only a samson fishtail but not with scc ...what is scc? :) When i check your video at 1.46 you take off the original baffle? so if i understand well i can buy another one to reduce the decibel? does it work? lol

Hey man, i made a video about a year ago and i named of all the mods I had done. I didn't put links though, maybe ill do another film soon and rename all the mods including the new ones and add the links.

2013

A clip is just 1 piece of a puzzle. A film is the collective of many clips to form a finished story

Its just a stage 1, but I've been really considering a big bore kit.

Thanks man, got some new parts and ideas coming in the next few weeks

LaPera bare bones

Haha I wish. Check out some of the new stuff, it's gotten better since this film