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Noam Chomsky, the famous linguist, does not have nice things to say about Postmodernism. We try to lay down his main points in a coherent way, and in doing so, we see that much of his critique follows some themes cherished by Postmodernists themselves. In particular, Chomsky argues that much of postmodernism was an instrument of power wielded to obtain material rewards.
Chomsky goes particularly hard on the Postmodern tradition and we try to put into video form the essence of his scathing critique.
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@IgorNV
@IgorNV Год назад
"Postmodernism is cringe" -Noam Chomsky
@AB-ok7hu
@AB-ok7hu Год назад
yeah, that's an argument...
@stueyapstuey4235
@stueyapstuey4235 Год назад
Well, Chomsky actually said 'French Intellectuals' 'writing about science induced 'cringe'. It's lazy to use the 'Post-Modern' or, 'Post-Modernism' as a synonym for Structuralism, or Post-Structuralism but here we are... All over U-Toob it's the same lazy.
@anarcho-savagery2097
@anarcho-savagery2097 Год назад
BASED
@cheezew1zz
@cheezew1zz Год назад
Literally this
@subcitizen2012
@subcitizen2012 Год назад
It used to be that people thought Noam Chomsky was cringe. How the times have changed.
@SerbAtheist
@SerbAtheist Месяц назад
Postmodernism: The idea that truth is always subjective, but I'm always right.
@rosewater6778
@rosewater6778 21 день назад
Brilliant! You nailed it 😅
@Impaled_Onion-thatsmine
@Impaled_Onion-thatsmine 9 дней назад
its an attempted master class trying to abstract their philosophy after the period, well it can get that, or remaking a genreration before yours... you could almost call can't and hegel post modernists,, they just do it as an existentialism then abstract the content onto paper through philosophy... also all the american post modern philosophy in plain language that doesn't do the subject its authenticity. It's always on a target thats delayed or isolated somehow, reversed as a metaphysic in reality. Remember these philosophies existed for years before they were actaully abstracted. Japanese sumarai phenomology is uncanny similar to husserlian phenomonology...... Kant's town was established in 1200,... he wrote the treatise in the 18th century.... heidegger is a literal post modern remake of hegelian dialectic synthesis between concepts he made up.. its post modern as well
@HaveYouTriedGuillotines
@HaveYouTriedGuillotines 8 дней назад
Chomsky's not wrong, but his critique of post-modernism is incredibly shallow. What he's speaking of is just one branch of post-modern ideology, and in one specific context. Post-modernism is an epistemological foundation that exists in what I would argue to be more ideologies that not, including capitalism, ethno fah shizm (I have to do this because of automated sensorship), intersectional feminism (and other socjus ideology), voodoo, most precursors to pre-modern religion (superstitions and mysticisms), new age religion, and much, much more. Anytime someone says "x is subjective" they're going down a post-modern rabbit hole and rejecting objective reality, and the problem with this is that power struggle becomes guaranteed because when there is no shared, external and universal truth, one can only use force to solve problems. This is incredibly dangerous, as the very same reality detachment that allows one to say something like "x is a social construct" can also be used to dehumanize others while rejecting all evidence to the contrary, usually by proclaiming the out group's experience and mind to be somehow incompatible with the ingroup. This is for instance seen in the "Jewish Question," wherein the out group is presupposed to be incapable of the same reasoning, experience or negotiation as the in group, and an extreme "solution" is thus justified.
@azeem_lahori-punjabi
@azeem_lahori-punjabi 4 дня назад
😄
@ryangarritty9761
@ryangarritty9761 Год назад
Elements of postmodernism were already alive and thriving in the early 20th century. In his 1907 essay 'The Study of Mathematics', Bertrand Russell wrote : 'Too often it is said that there is no absolute truth, but only opinion and private judgment ; that each of us is conditioned, in his view of the world, by his own peculiarities, his own taste and bias ; and that there is no external kingdom of truth to which, by patience and discipline, we may at last obtain admittance, but only truth for me, for you, for every separate person. By this habit of mind one of the chief ends of human effort is denied, and the supreme virtue of candour, of fearless acknowledgment of what is, disappears from our moral vision.'
@ronh3935
@ronh3935 Год назад
thank you for this quote.
@loussis8584
@loussis8584 Год назад
Thank you for sharing, it is beautiful and very freeing I believe :-)
@afd5231
@afd5231 Год назад
@@JohannesDonnerstich 1914-B.R: Our Knowledge of the External World as a Field for Scientific Method in Philosophy It’s Analytical Philosophy vs Continental Philosophy, Chomsky vs Foucault.
@afd5231
@afd5231 Год назад
@@JohannesDonnerstich no guy in particular. You can find the rather short article. Mathematics , with its beauty, elegance and truths, is the answer to scepticism and cynicism of those who doubt there’s truth. Great period for Science and Philosophy...
@randygram9310
@randygram9310 Год назад
Good old Bertrand. Worth his weight in gold. At the age of 90, he was literally badgering JFK and Khrushchev over their insanely dangerous behavior during the Cuban Missile Crisis.This would certainly constitute 'activism' from an intellectual. Strange as it may sound, Russell seems to have believed that a nuclear war leading to the annihilation of much of the planet was an objective truth, true for all, rather than a social construct that was true only for those seduced by the peculiar grand narrative known as science. file:///Users/macpro/Downloads/jadmin,+fulltext-1.pdf
@buddinganarchist
@buddinganarchist Год назад
He is not saying power difference does not exist. There is evidence, there is truth, morality. Ethics. Not everything is some game.
@nathanfreeman7362
@nathanfreeman7362 8 месяцев назад
Postmodernism isn't saying everything is a game. It's saying that when alot of people accept an ideology it's oppressive for people who don't or can't conform to it. Now if a Christian conservative hangs out with a group of wokies they will experience oppression. If a wokie hangs out with a group of Christian conservatives ditto. Both ideologies are full of half truths so invoking either(as an absolute)should be met with a nice strong "go fuck yourself" both sides are fragile and are just mirroring the fact that victim-oppressor are the same thing.
@dt6822
@dt6822 9 дней назад
There is no morality. That is Chomsky's point. What do you think was Adolf Hitler's big realization? It's that we have globally adopted a "Jewish" morality - It Is by no means universal or universally eternal. The idea that the least shall become the greatest, Christianity, the idea that the poor and the weaj should be looked after by the strong and the rich - none of those are contingent. But that is exactly the point of postmodernism. They don't just deconstruct. What they insist on is that there is no such thing as objective morality, which is all the more reason to preserve the one we have. Postmodernism is a critique of scientism and of materialism.
@HaveYouTriedGuillotines
@HaveYouTriedGuillotines 8 дней назад
I'm sure this is obvious to most. A great deal of Chomsky's career involved the critique of certain particularly nasty and unrestrained power structures. On the other hand, I would disagree and say that everything is in fact "some game." But I'd also say "play stupid games, win stupid prizes." We live in a hyper capitalist society. Nearly everyone is driven by a competitive mentality, and cooperation as a competitive strategy against the hardships of nature is severely undervalued. Yes, I'm going into memetics here. It's a must. Unfortunately, this means your average person is in a situation where they need to keep game theory on the forefront of their mind, just to avoid being completely trampled by society. That also puts them precariously close to being the person doing the trampling. Post-modernists love to critique power dynamics, but they ironically fail to see their own power, or recognize that what society severely needs right now is for people to learn how to restrain their aggression, and stay in their own lane. Post-modernist activists claim to oppose capitalism, yet are some of the most hyper competitive and predatory people on the planet because they simply fail to recognize the common ground between themselves and others, and the fact they are often best served by simply agreeing to a state of non-aggression with those around them. This is, of course, a product of their rejection of objective reality. They simply can't recognize that the vast majority of humans aren't particularly different than them, nor are they in a particularly different boat than they are. The analogs that exist between all between different states of human existence simply allude them; They cannot, for instance, see that the decedent of a "white" Irish serf is often not in a particularly different situation than that of a "black" slave. And so they foolishly and pointlessly wage war with those they should be cooperating with.
@donaldclifford5763
@donaldclifford5763 3 дня назад
Power is a mental construct. Spirituality wins.
@dt6822
@dt6822 3 дня назад
@@donaldclifford5763 spirituality is a mental illnesz
@MA-go7ee
@MA-go7ee Год назад
In a way the post modernists won. It's remarkable how much cultural commentary is now just basically an analysis of power relationships.
@naveed210
@naveed210 Год назад
This intrigues me too. How much of an effect has it had on the general public? I think a lot of folk, both of a socially liberal persuasion and those on the right (but not conservatives) believe in the particulars rather than the universal, are distrustful of grand ideas and sceptical about whether there's an objective truth etc
@java4653
@java4653 Год назад
LOL. This is not even remotely true. It's not even possible to be true - such a thing would require a closed society, not the freedom & access to info we have. The pursuit of context today is way more open. Historical forces, dramatic events, cultural barriers, technological changes, etc. the stuff Ben Shapiro says ignore. Sometimes the bizarre p-mod conclusion is real, but often it's a *idea* distinction, like understanding 3-D in a 2-D experience. Are any ideas "real"? That kind of thing. The dumb stuff never gets far anyways. Somebody has to go too far with their thoughts to show where that is anyways. But then, the author here also has too narrow view of Post-Modernism, treating it like Marx and forcing it into an exact form it never had. And you posted this on RU-vid, filled with so much commentary that it contradicts the claim.
@castelodeossos3947
@castelodeossos3947 Год назад
The foundation of Woke.
@glennmaillard5972
@glennmaillard5972 Год назад
@@castelodeossos3947 Woke again! Everything is ‘woke’...if you want it to be. Yet again, without a definition that can’t be presented in anything less than a chapter. Btw a chapter is not a definition, it’s a dissertation.
@pavlovsdogman
@pavlovsdogman Год назад
​@@castelodeossos3947 Chomsky is pretty woke, he ain't no pseudo intellectual grifter like Jordan Peterson.
@rabidcentrist
@rabidcentrist Год назад
"Creating the impression of profundity" Yep, that pretty much sums it up.
@ricklanders
@ricklanders Год назад
No, that's standard discourse. There's nothing there but naive assumptions and linguistic ignorance.
@eskybakzu712
@eskybakzu712 Год назад
@@bobsacamano1274 Bro acting like Foucault isn't
@lucarmin9683
@lucarmin9683 Год назад
Much like Jordan Peterson in fact.
@kehana2908
@kehana2908 Год назад
literally what chomsky is accused of often
@rabidcentrist
@rabidcentrist Год назад
Looking at the replies, I'd like to point out I judge writers in how they write, not how they interview. Chomsky's writing is pretty clear and to the point, which appeals to my aesthetic and reading style. Foucault's writing is profundity manifest. Foucault's work on institutions such as penitentiaries is valuable nonetheless and should not be ignored. The biggest problem is bringing a tribal and/or consumerist approach to reading political philosophy/theory. Each theory, each perspective, is a data point for your own analysis, no single writer has the full picture. I highly recommend reading Zygmunt Bauman's work, (Liquid Modernity and Postmodernity and its Discontents) were great frameworks for how to approach previous theoretical frameworks.
@nsbd90now
@nsbd90now Год назад
Is he criticizing "postmodernism" or a certain group or type of academic? It sounds more like that than as you are portraying it. He doesn't talk about "postmodernism" in terms of textual criticism, but more about academic egos and those who absent themselves from social activism. This was not even remotely a "complete denunciation of the movement" as you conclude.
@riccardodececco4404
@riccardodececco4404 Год назад
both is related - the video doesn´t go profoundly into the problem of the formula of "textual criticism" used by postmodernism though....
@loudenlaffnite246
@loudenlaffnite246 Год назад
"He doesn't talk about 'postmodernism' in terms of textual criticism" -- who is supplying the postmodernist text & textual criticism if not those humans in the postmodernist movement?
@wolfgangdevries127
@wolfgangdevries127 Год назад
@@loudenlaffnite246 people who are at least 90 years old, I suppose.
@nsbd90now
@nsbd90now Год назад
@@loudenlaffnite246 It is Republicans who don't have the slightest clue what they are talking about as they are totally uneducated on the topics, the issues and the authors. And that is obvious to anyone who IS educated in those areas and familiar with those authors.
@toonyandfriends1915
@toonyandfriends1915 Год назад
@@loudenlaffnite246 if you think this is an actual criticism of what they are saying, then i'm afraid to admit it is ad hominem, as this really does not say anything at all except that some of them play language games
@ElSantoLuchador
@ElSantoLuchador 11 месяцев назад
So Chomsky deconstructed postmodernism in terms of power relationships. What a postmodern thing to do. Derrida would be proud.
@AMehra-im1gr
@AMehra-im1gr 10 месяцев назад
Not at all a postmodern thing to do.
@VolkColopatrion
@VolkColopatrion 10 месяцев назад
hey, honestly maybe that's a good thing. the movment seems to lack applying the standards to itself and that's how we get so much problems. If it were any other ideology it would be just as bad. you can't even question postmodernism with out being denounced as a racist status quo upholder. just as the church used to denounce anyone criticizing the sale of indulgences. it very much is the sale of indulgences.
@VolkColopatrion
@VolkColopatrion 10 месяцев назад
how do you mean? @@AMehra-im1gr
@wmorris189
@wmorris189 9 месяцев назад
I forced my way through Of Grammatology and at the end of that total waste of my time, i didn’t feel I was stupid and hadn’t understood a work of great profundity, which is clearly the intention, rather, this man is an utter charlatan. If you want to spend your time on “difficult” books and aren’t a scientist read Joyce and Beckett incredibly rewarding, which I know many of you will have done already.
@anthonyderosa7757
@anthonyderosa7757 6 месяцев назад
Yeah man, demonstrating that a world view makes no sense even by the standards of its own internal logic is totally the same thing as agreeing with or demonstrating the validity of its internal logic. You must have come top of your philosophy class
@BlackWASP21
@BlackWASP21 11 месяцев назад
This is not a critique Postmodernism as much as it is a critique of Posmodermist scholars and intellectuals (which is a different critique and could be applied across various ideological positions).
@johnnyswatts
@johnnyswatts 12 дней назад
So, you think you can separate the art from the artist?
@johnnyswatts
@johnnyswatts 12 дней назад
He seems to be saying that the critiques levelled by postmodernists can also be levelled against them.
@giocaliguia8370
@giocaliguia8370 12 дней назад
@@johnnyswattsPoMos often think so. The “death of the author” - as postmodernists would call it.
@malcolmdrake6137
@malcolmdrake6137 10 месяцев назад
I don't hear Chomsky, I hear someone speaking FOR him...always a dangerous practice.
@Finnegas-Eces
@Finnegas-Eces Месяц назад
Well not really, it's what happens every day in lecture halls through out the land!
@Primitarian
@Primitarian Год назад
Chomsky has never been one to dress himself up in fads, be they of ideas or of language. He has consistently been a serious thinker to the core, which is why I have long valued, even on those occasions I disagree with him, what he has had to say.
@bubstacrini8851
@bubstacrini8851 Год назад
Chomsky has made many of us think, that doesn't mean he's infallible. The footage of Chomsky looks pretty old and the video is another attempt, by an independent agent to feed the appetite for anti post modernism as we collectively tumble into AI culture. This backlash, this appetite for anti post modernism, is nothing less sentimental nostalgia for the confused . ( Jordan Peterson, comes to mind) We certainly aren't living in Modernity any more Dorthy.
@subcitizen2012
@subcitizen2012 Год назад
Chomsky is an amazing academic, but he was also a fad.
@squatch545
@squatch545 Год назад
Chomsky is a pseudo-intellectual who has proven to be incorrect about nearly everything he has ever claimed.
@mippim8765
@mippim8765 Год назад
......nothing like a lecture from the millionaire "socialist". .......
@ineshvaladolenc6559
@ineshvaladolenc6559 Год назад
​@@mippim8765 He's a brilliant intellectual who's both an emeritus professor, lecturer in linguistics, most cited scientific article author, as well as writer who is politically active and has written several books on modern society and American and international politics. Most of his money comes from royalties, of which he deserves every cent and then some. It's possible to become a millionaire off of one's own work.
@gregmattson2238
@gregmattson2238 Год назад
i've also got to admit that it's a damn clever tactic of chomsky's to use the postmodernists' own arguments against them.
@JEQvideos
@JEQvideos Год назад
He isn't though. Most of what he says about them could be said about him as well--he is a sort of star in academia. He uses his clout to sell books. Etc. Etc. Usually when I see Chomsky talking about postmodernism he's pretty quick to admit that it is unintelligible to him and he doesn't understand what they're talking about. Which isn't really a serious critique, there are people on youtube that do a better job discussing and critiquing postmodern thought than he does.
@vis7139
@vis7139 Год назад
@@JEQvideos There's a great video called Animating Poststructuralism, which explains the divide between people like Chomsky (structural linguists) and people like Derrida (poststructuralists / postmodernists). If things don't make sense to Chomsky, I put it down to this fundamental disagreement on the nature of language and communication itself.
@JEQvideos
@JEQvideos Год назад
@@vis7139 I will check it out, thanks!
@commentatron
@commentatron Год назад
@@JEQvideos J. Peterson being one who bridles at any mention of postmodernism, or adherents such as Lyotard, Foucault or Derrida. His arguments seem quite well thought out and compelling (granted, I'm without a strong background in philosophy).
@eshitvaprakash6681
@eshitvaprakash6681 Год назад
@@commentatron Peterson? Yup, you definitely don't have a philo background.
@jefersonlemos4135
@jefersonlemos4135 Год назад
I am from Brasil and I very much identify with what Chomsky says about the disconnection among the intelligensia and popular movements. I often even find latin professors deffending positions so simmilar to the US department line and reproductions of imperial myths, really terrible
@talastra
@talastra 9 месяцев назад
They were probably indoctrinated in US colleges.
@dargkkast6469
@dargkkast6469 8 месяцев назад
Chomsky truly connected with people, specially with Epstein am I right
@joules_sw
@joules_sw 7 месяцев назад
Repiten las soluciones que les son enviadas por los europeos y estadounidenses, cosas pensadas en inglés para la gente de habla inglesa y para su contexto propio. A este paso, los avances de los saberes nuestros se va para la mierda y con ello nuestro propio auto-entendimiento y lugar en el mundo
@he_was_a_skater_dog
@he_was_a_skater_dog 2 месяца назад
Not to mention the post-modern ideas about crime and violence, which have swept the imagination of our legislators and judges, and over the last thirty years turned Brazil into the most violent country in the world. It is important to point out that throughout these thirty years living conditions in Brazil IMPROVED; that is to say, if the problem were that too many people are poor, Brazil would be much more violent thirty years ago, not less. (I'm Brazilian as well, hi. 👋)
@levitonin7345
@levitonin7345 2 месяца назад
@@he_was_a_skater_dog That's exactly what I thought watching the video. To this day, postmodernism has a huge influence on these topics in Brazil.
@vincenthe4864
@vincenthe4864 11 месяцев назад
But everything in this video is simply a critique of postmodernists rather than postmodernism as an idea? I don’t understand how this constitutes criticism on postmodernism at all.
@Warispeace-eq8yy
@Warispeace-eq8yy 3 месяца назад
Well, i think it's legit cause those people built the foundations and further nurtured post modernist thought
@michellewruck2472
@michellewruck2472 2 месяца назад
I had a similar thought. Just because you get caught up in power structures, doesn’t mean you’re wrong about them and their corrupting influence. In fact, everything that is explained in this video confirms post-modernists’ critiques about power. It’s just that seeing a problem and being able to fix it are two different things. At the end of the day the unbalanced distribution of power in society might not be “fixable.” It might be a necessary part of the way human beings organize themselves. This is what is so strange about us as animals on this earth. All social animals have hierarchies and I’m sure there are lots of animals in the world who don’t like their place in that hierarchy. What’s weird about us is that we can communicate about that experience in ways that can impact the actions of people in power. Language is an incredible disruptor of power. Maybe it’s not helpful to try to dismantle and spread power out completely. Maybe it’s more important to have good people in positions of power. Like a good boss, or any other good leader, good people in power can do incredible things. Still, the post-modern power structure isn’t one I’d particularly like to be a part of. At a certain point, your ideas take on a life of their own and these aren’t ideas worth getting caught up in. :)
@StopWarring
@StopWarring 8 месяцев назад
Mr. Chomsky, you sir are a god-send to our times and an impeccable guide and example. Thank you.
@dannyarcher6370
@dannyarcher6370 Год назад
Well, blow me down. I agree with Chomsky on something.
@onurbo77
@onurbo77 11 месяцев назад
I honestly thought he would have stronger arguments against post modernism, other than an aggressive relativization without ideas that can stand on their own instead of just being against something.
@palladin331
@palladin331 9 месяцев назад
That's all that Chomsky knows to do: his ideas cannot stand on their own; he's against everything.
@RhetoricalMuse
@RhetoricalMuse 5 месяцев назад
I think he got to a point where he realised you can't argue against cray cray.
@hadronoftheseus8829
@hadronoftheseus8829 3 месяца назад
You can't crack fog with a hammer.
@ssrmy1782
@ssrmy1782 Год назад
"I don't like the cultural philosophy that derives from the existence of people like me."
@markusoreos.233
@markusoreos.233 Год назад
And?
@ssrmy1782
@ssrmy1782 Год назад
@@markusoreos.233 And?
@markusoreos.233
@markusoreos.233 Год назад
@@ssrmy1782 Ant?
@ssrmy1782
@ssrmy1782 Год назад
@@markusoreos.233 Got a life?
@markusoreos.233
@markusoreos.233 Год назад
@@ssrmy1782 Yup, thank you for asking. Have a nice day.
@kehana2908
@kehana2908 Год назад
there seem to be a lot of people here that vehemently anti-postmodernism/anti-poststructuralism. i would encourage you guys to read at least a bit of baudrillard and foucault to, at least, get an idea of what they're saying. chomsky, like a lot of american/analytic philosophers, has a dislike of continental philosophy. that being said, there are a lot of clever ideas in that area of philosophy, so it's at least worth reading some to get to know what you disagree with a bit more.
@nsbd90now
@nsbd90now Год назад
There are a lot of people here who haven't even come close to reading Derrida as a starter. "Postmodernism" is a right-wing dog whistle to them. This video was of Chomsky criticizing certain types of academics who go for fame, celebrity, rather than social justice activism. There was no criticism of "postmodernism" at all.
@danx1216
@danx1216 Год назад
LOL it is an ignorant sill Anti-intellectual game Truth is to strong for u to acknowledge a Gaslighting #CULT
@straightfacts5352
@straightfacts5352 2 месяца назад
If the premise is wrong from the get-go (humans can neither come to know the meta-narrative if its there, or there's no meta-narrative to be known, doesn't matter which one sides with) then everything else that follows is a waste of time. The Divine exists, and is knowable by human beings. It's no surprise this movement is "of the Left" since the Left is oblivious to the existence of the Divine. Needless to point out, the Divine is the "meta narrative" (spiritual force) behind all goings on in material existence.
@BardovBacchus
@BardovBacchus Год назад
This may be a misreading of Chomsky by taking what he said too far. It could be that his critique was more limited to certain actors within the post modern movement that have had a negative effect, in his opinion, in shaping the movement overall. My analogy would be to certain teams acting in such a way as to change an entire sports league in some fundamental way. It would be taking that example too far to say the entire sport should be invalidated in some way or another. I'm not sure Noam was saying we should not analyze power structures and their real world applications, just the these twats have mucked it up by acting like lawyers instead of educators
@johannalvarsson9299
@johannalvarsson9299 Год назад
I think the same.
@castelodeossos3947
@castelodeossos3947 Год назад
Dr Chomsky gives a similarly scathing critiique of sociology as a whole in one of the table-talk interviews with the small bald gentleman.
@salvatronprime9882
@salvatronprime9882 Год назад
Yes I was thinking the same thing. Chomsky himself challenges the same power structures, the issue is that the postmodernists in question are just fancy talking con artists.
@castelodeossos3947
@castelodeossos3947 Год назад
Good point, since he himself examines power structures. His point is not that there are no power structures, but that it is one-dimensional and contrived to attribute all the ills of the world merely to the existence of hierarchies (and to add some spurious ones too), and to contrive a whole discipline/language to 'proving' that it is so. As he says somewhere, if something cannot be explained with simple language, then there's some phoniness going on somewhere.
@alexdavis1541
@alexdavis1541 Год назад
I'm not sure that the French postmodernists were all that influential. Could it be that we would have fallen into such a level of twattery anyway and with hindsight we can now blame them? We will never know of course but I have a feeling that once we have woken up to what we have done to our civilisation, and start rectifying the damage (if we ever do), it wont be the postmodernist that the new movers and shakers will be using as a reference, but the likes of James Burnham, Thomas Sowell and the Italian elite theorists.
@frankv7774
@frankv7774 Год назад
In 1983 while working at a Steel mill in Cleveland my Coworker told me that "Opinions are like a$$holes everybody has one, even if you're using a colostomy bag" George "The Forge" Udovich 1931-2009 RIP
@matrebour220
@matrebour220 Год назад
Is Chomsky's critique not a critique of the Postmodernist thinkers themselves rather than the movement and its ideas as a whole? I think the critique is sound but what about people who agree with some of its core tenets who don't necessarily participate in that academic sphere and therefore system of power?
@fe7kh
@fe7kh 10 месяцев назад
Idiotic
@jascoolo
@jascoolo 11 месяцев назад
"Please eat my stale bread. I've got few sandwitches left" -Naom Chomsky
@perhenriksson6767
@perhenriksson6767 Год назад
Great description, modern day sophistry.
@marccawood
@marccawood Год назад
Postmodernism is not about the abolition of absolute truth (or reality) but of absolute certainty and people’s belief they have Truth.
@joshogden1081
@joshogden1081 11 месяцев назад
Idk what postmodernism is about, but I agree with what you're saying. The unfortunate reality is that we can't agree on What Is. Of course there is a singular absolute Truth, a Final Sum of all the infinite variables in reality, but how can any one of us Know it? How could a million, or a billion even? Our minds are not set up to pursue the truths of reality, but to feel comfortable within the chaos that is mostly impossible for us to comprehend. Going forward we must shirk our pride lest we destroy ourselves with war.
@icecreambone
@icecreambone 11 месяцев назад
didn't foucault reject an absolute truth about justice in his debate with chomsky though?
@martinguila
@martinguila 11 месяцев назад
No not at all, modernism, the enlightenment and science rejected the idea of absolute truth and truth based on authority since its inception. Thats why there is tradition of criticism. It has to be because science realized it is fallible because all humans are. Postmodernists pointing out the fallibalism and power interests is pointless because its obvious and known, and postmodernism has failed to come up with a better solution than having a tradition of criticism. So at its core postmodernism adds nothing constructive to knowledge production. Its a pseudo intellectual excuse for rejecting science you dont like.
@redrum3405
@redrum3405 11 месяцев назад
But typically used in the service of tearing down western norms and institutions. Never used to question the failures of the pet models of the left
@bodricthered
@bodricthered 11 месяцев назад
Given 'Justice' is a human conception that's culturally normed it seems a bizarre statement that there is a capital T Truth about justice. You may as well say there's a truth about how hot to set the temperature of a shower, never mind about the context of the person using it or the environment it's being used in. It would be great if we could agree on justice, that doesn't mean we'd be right but it would at least be useful to building a happier society but I'm not going to hold my breath
@PM2022
@PM2022 10 месяцев назад
Chomsky, not unlike the majority, assumes he knows what 'science' is, but he is mistaken. That is aside from the fact that 'linguistics' itself sits awkwardly even inside that assumption.
@markpx
@markpx Год назад
Who are the people at 2:30? I recognize Boulez, Foucault and Barthes. (Possibly also Elliott Carter.) The others?
@df3575
@df3575 Год назад
This clip does next to nothing to describe what post modermism is and how it functions, or how a bunch of people no one can understand gained the power suggested here... WHAT authority do these academics have in "3rd world countries" that at all impacts the daily lives of the people that live there? How is that authority used? I mean....just a snippet perhaps for those who don't already know (or believe) what this clip is talking about....
@tbobtbob330
@tbobtbob330 Месяц назад
When you consider Nietzsche's observation that philosophers are simply trying to rationalize their vices and then look for 5 minutes into the "proclivities" of "Saint" Foucault, it'll all start making sense.
@coffeyjjj
@coffeyjjj 17 дней назад
bingo!
@crisoliveira2644
@crisoliveira2644 Год назад
I don't know whether or not my personal experience is representative of the general state of South America, but I don't see it around here that Postmodernism has been insulating professors from popular struggle. Many professors are away from it, sure, but of those who are active in social and political movements, most can't shut their mouths about Foucault and Deleuze. I'd like to see examples of what Chomsky says, because I see many examples of the opposite every day.
@SomethingToSee101
@SomethingToSee101 11 месяцев назад
I think people that are against post-modernism have difficulty arguing against it in a theoretical level and fall back into criticizing some of it's thinkers lives and their way of writing. Most critics never try to prove that post-modernism is wrong, they all do "post-modernism bad". And in my view there's a lot of things to criticise about obscurantism, the way some post-modernist ideas are used, the establishment of french academia and the lives of some thinkers, but to me its conclusions are just the logical progression of western thought, if you look at philosophy's history it always pointed in that direction
@vernacularpunc
@vernacularpunc 10 месяцев назад
The postmodern is only a critique of the past, the metamodern is a way foward
@SomethingToSee101
@SomethingToSee101 10 месяцев назад
@@vernacularpunc What we can call "metamordern" is only the creation of art and culture influenced by post-modern thought. All philosophers create their work by replying to the ideas of the past, and in a way this process creates the future.
@vernacularpunc
@vernacularpunc 10 месяцев назад
@@SomethingToSee101 Yes and postmodern thought endlessly critiques itself hence a return to sincreity despite the irony is needed
@CitizenAyellowblue
@CitizenAyellowblue 10 месяцев назад
Pharaoh still,died of TB
@tyronD9
@tyronD9 Год назад
It's tough watching the great Chomsky resort to name calling and mudslinging against continental philosophy from the analytical side of the philosophical spectrum rather than providing a substantive critique of postmodernism, which like all forms of thought is rife with both flaws and virtues. It's interesting that whoever edited this video attempts to suggest that "critique of power relations" and "distrust of grand narratives" is a bad thing? Or that its somehow not accurate that "dominant power structures shape peoples identities and worldviews"?
@thesea4120
@thesea4120 11 месяцев назад
Chomsky definitely has a more coherent critique of post modernism than Jordan Peterson
@HrothgarPedersen
@HrothgarPedersen 10 месяцев назад
With all due respect to Doctor Peterson, that’s a low bar to clear
@anuardalhar6762
@anuardalhar6762 9 месяцев назад
Peterson not up to the level of Chomsky.
@arsenskavin130
@arsenskavin130 9 месяцев назад
Lyotar did it first .
@hm5142
@hm5142 Год назад
As a physicist, I have assumed that no one who understood anything about physics could not be a postmodernist. Nature does not care what we believer or want, and I find that very charming.
@TorMax9
@TorMax9 Год назад
There are two basic steps to the postmodern pantheon, 1) no view, interpretation, equation, model, paradigm, etc., is the final, exclusive, complete truth - which I agree with, there is always room for improvement, new discoveries to be made, new information may come to light, new dimensions to be explored, new functional tools to be created, etc., and 2) therefore anything goes, which is patently absurd, some things work - others don't, some things work better - other things not so well, some things are life-affirming, life-promoting, life-enhancing - other things are life-denying, life-harming, life-ending. It all depends what your end goal is - promote vulnerable life in a hostile universe or create as much chaos, confusion, conflict as possible in order to wipe out the old guard and usher in the new Marxist utopia. The Marxists have repeatedly failed on every font - economic, cultural, creative - and have thus resorted to slight-of-hand methods like postmodernism. It's a power-play to undermine the "opposition - transcendental religion, the stable family, the sovereign individual, the LOGOS, rational thought, i.e., the "superstructure". It won't work and anybody who buys into postmodernism will soon fade away. Mother Nature won't be fooled. Physics won't be cajoled. Psychology will not be put on its head. Love will not be denied. God will not be trifled with. Life finds a way. Postmodernism will be rejected and ejected by the eternally active and dynamic immune system. The life force. In short, postmodernism is dysfunctional.
@patrickdunne153
@patrickdunne153 Год назад
Human beings are part of nature and they can have a caring moral outlook
@andsalomoni
@andsalomoni Год назад
If, according to postmodernists, everything "is a language/social construct", you can use the classical argument, a kick in the ass, then ask them in which way it is just "a social construct".
@AbdiHassan-jq2ln
@AbdiHassan-jq2ln Год назад
@@TorMax9 Marxists didn’t use post-modernism as a “slight of hand” post modernists were explicity anti marxist and the two groups hated & critiqued each other intensely This is basic historical knowledge wtf r u talking about?
@user.abuser_
@user.abuser_ Год назад
Well, friend of mine is a physicist and a postmodernist at the same time
@fasttwitchmedia149
@fasttwitchmedia149 2 месяца назад
Every generation thinks it is smarter than the one that came before it and wiser than the one that comes after it. George Orwell.
@Leavemealonenowplz
@Leavemealonenowplz Год назад
My discipline (Anthropology) really struggles with this. Focault, Saussure, and the like are very popular amongst the people who study Sociocultural Anthropology. I work on the Biological and evolutionary side of things, but it’s wild because we might as well be entirely separate fields. I love the behavioral sciences, so it kills me to see how much of Postmodern thought pervades amongst anthropologists because I’ve heard so many insane takes like “Conspiracy Theorists are a marginalized group” or “Obesity is not a reliable marker of health”.
@heberpelagio7161
@heberpelagio7161 Год назад
As an anthropologist, what do you think about this? ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-JwLyP-vSnt0.htmlsi=P1RYt62g4Oo_VwL3
@francescocerasuolo4064
@francescocerasuolo4064 Год назад
what
@heberpelagio7161
@heberpelagio7161 Год назад
@@francescocerasuolo4064, watch the video of the link a I've posted before.
@tangerinesarebetterthanora7060
Post modernism shouldn't be applied to biology. That is playing with fire.
@pedrosampaio7349
@pedrosampaio7349 Год назад
Yeah they are marginalized, that doesn't mean it's a bad thing??? And indeed, sumo wrestlers are obese but they aren't particularly unhealthy
@jonathanbailey1597
@jonathanbailey1597 Год назад
Hang on, this video sounds like a low-rent undergraduate essay. The characterisation of 'postmodernism' here is a strawman, and not one universally recognised. It doesn't correspond to any of the contentions of any of the purported theorists, or the various iterations of the term in architectural or artistic movements. Postmodernity if it anything like you describe, was a counter-movement in the arts. Many detractors point to French academics like Jean Francois Lyotard as proponents of a misplaced epistemological view like the one forwarded in this video. However, what they were actually up to was describing the direction of travel in society, not making a set of epistemological claims. Be that Foucault, Baudrillard, DeBord, Bachelard, Derrida, et al. I think the 'post-truth' social-media politics and 'cultures wars' of today vindicates much of what some of them wrote. Critiques like Habermas' and Chomsky's are the weakest part of their work, and did not issue from any serious engagement with the work of those claimed to 'represent' a movement in 20th century European academic (particularly French) circles, which did not in fact exist.
@jacobcook179
@jacobcook179 Год назад
Thank you.
@elkiebeerepoot5829
@elkiebeerepoot5829 12 дней назад
I miss a lot from the first ideas of the Frankfurter Schule, Hegel, Nietzsche, early feminism, Herbert Marcuse, Angela Davies, Critical Theory and so forth, progressed in its different forms today. I should say, the influence is important in especially the social sciences, and it changed the society, if we like it or not.
@stevekilligrew788
@stevekilligrew788 9 месяцев назад
“They muddy the water to make it seem deep!” Zen. Chomsky is correct in saying PM is a self-referential maze of ever decreasing circles. But not all of PM is unhelpful, we should not throw the baby out with the bath water. Foucault’s work on the notions of the Clinic and the Panopticon are genuinely useful and in many ways dovetail into Kuhn’s work on the Nature of Scientific Revolutions and paradigms. I consider that Chomsky is also correct in saying that academics need to exit their ivory towers and conference circuit gravy train and more readily and robustly apply their work directly with the aim of building more intelligent, resilient, utilitarian and open political systems. He himself is, and has been for several decades now, a prime example of walking that talk. More power to him and his calm, empirical, persistent and progressive approach. Namaste.
@lerkkweed
@lerkkweed 22 дня назад
"There is no certainty and there are no absolutes." "Are you sure?" "I'm absolutely certain of it!"
@azeem_lahori-punjabi
@azeem_lahori-punjabi 4 дня назад
😄
@frankarouet
@frankarouet 9 месяцев назад
Yet, and despite abundant critiques indeed, over decades, of French "philosophy", Chomsky is at the very forefront of that "Post-Modern" thinking. He only ever think of international political problems in terms of morality. He never, EVER considers the "raison d'État", the principles that forces any government to defend its interests and the militaro-strategic situation encountered by States. Only the morality of interventions. International politic is NOT moral. And it's exactly the problem we encounter today in Western societies: we put morality, not democracy, not legality, not feasibility, not practicality, not the economy, but morality and morality only at the forefront of any question or problematic. Chomsky is very much a proponent of Post-Modern thinking. He is one of its fathers.
@hunterluxton5976
@hunterluxton5976 Год назад
Your presentation of this subject was really superbly done. You used clear simple language which was precise and explained the topic very well. Thank you.
@smugmonkey6147
@smugmonkey6147 Год назад
Yes, the effort and time dedicated to this project video is plain to see in its excellence of form. Thank you, cheers. 🙏
@spookybuk
@spookybuk Год назад
But he doesn't know much about the topic and treated "a particular school of people calling themselves postmodernists" as "the whole postmodern phenomenon". So what's the use of "easily explaining" what you don't really understand and spreading more confusion to people? I mean, I hope you can see how the video says "Chomsky's criticism", but the video is actually "Mono's criticism using Chomsky in some very short clips out of context". Noam Chomsky was involved in publishing Orientalism, by Edward Said, which can be said to be a postmodern book. Look for his opinions on The Structure of Scientific Revolution, by Thomas Khun... Not knowing there are many schools called "postmodern" (which Chomsky certainly knows, as I myself have learned this from him) just turned this video into a joke :(
@Mon000
@Mon000 Год назад
@@spookybuk How have I taken Chomsky's clips out of context? Everything I have ever seen of Chomsky on postmodernism has echoed the themes I discuss in the video. Also, I have my own views on Postmodernism, I believe some of my other videos should showcase as much.
@SeventhSaucer
@SeventhSaucer Год назад
@@spookybuk I’m looking forward your eight-minute video that thoroughly explores all the points you have raised.
@spookybuk
@spookybuk Год назад
@@SeventhSaucer Whatever I had to say, I have already said. I don't see how it needs any further explanation. "treated 'a particular school of people calling themselves postmodernists' as 'the whole postmodern phenomenon'" should cover it all, but still I do believe I have mentioned a couple of very significant books you all can refer to. Think of the people calling themselves "patriots" in the media nowadays. Are they representing what "patriots" mean, or are they "a certain kind of patriot"? It's the same situation. Whatever I've said, you might consider I still stand by it, unless I've answered here saying something like "Oh yeah, you're right. I hadn't considered that." I'm satisfied with what I said. If someone isn't, that's not my problem. I've already said enough and whatever was said afterwards didn't change my mind.
@stevemcdede8559
@stevemcdede8559 Год назад
I was mocked by other grad students because of my skepticism of postmodernism. I was labeled as a reactionary.
@tangerinesarebetterthanora7060
Post modernism is a reactionary movement.
@Christobanistan
@Christobanistan Год назад
No, you're just smart and they're not.
@tzenophile
@tzenophile 11 месяцев назад
What bothers me is that you went to a school where "postmodernism" as such was a position to defend. Just to be sure, what exact authors, books, theories etc were you skeptical of?
@PierreLucSex
@PierreLucSex 11 месяцев назад
Yeah sure lmao
@addammadd
@addammadd 11 месяцев назад
I agree with the above comment. I’d be interested to read precisely what you think “postmodernism” is, which authors/theories you take issue with and most importantly, why.
@Skygoers
@Skygoers Год назад
Postmodernism is supposed to a critique, the original goal of which is to bring clarity to meaning through contextualization. It is simply an extension of the overly polemical characteristic of western academia. And Professor Chomsky’s critique of postmodernism will be welcomed by true postmodernists
@freyahah290
@freyahah290 Год назад
Fascinating that Chomsky denied the Cambodian, Rwandan, and Balkan genocides continues to have something to say about reality and power structures.
@AntoniRams
@AntoniRams Месяц назад
Chomsky supported Cambodia genocide by reds, but dictator Fidel Castro is a kind person.
@counterstriving
@counterstriving Месяц назад
He did?
@DEPARTMENTOFREDUNDANCYDEPT
@DEPARTMENTOFREDUNDANCYDEPT Год назад
The parallels between postmodernism and invented "religions" like Mormonism and Scientology are remarkable. The fable of "The Emperor's New Clothes" predicted all of this.
@Ejacunathan
@Ejacunathan Год назад
Can't wait to read it (:
@tzenophile
@tzenophile Год назад
When you say postmodernism, what exactly are you referring to? What specific position? Who said exactly what? I bet you have no answer.
@marymally8106
@marymally8106 Год назад
Hmmm.... all religions are made up.
@wildfood1
@wildfood1 Год назад
Los que vendieron ropa nueva al emperador crearon el posmodernismo. Supongo que necesitaban un nuevo trabajo.
@tzenophile
@tzenophile 11 месяцев назад
There is another fun aspect to your comment; you're implying that only some religions were invented. I know you can't answer, because you're a postmodernist too, so: just for fun, how do you distinguish between invented religions and non-invented ones? Just curious, this is not a test of your IQ.
@DaggetSWG
@DaggetSWG 8 месяцев назад
Chomsky never once could demonstrate he actually understood what post-modernism is, much less give us a succinct critique of it. He only seemed annoyed with specific people involved with the movement in the 60's and 70's, which is fair enough I guess, but hes attacking the character of the people behind the social movement, and never really the substance of any real philosophical writing. You can criticize the well known people in the movement, you can critique the accessibility of the writings, but that is no replacement for a critique of the substance behind the writings. Post modernism isn't one thing or philosopher. It's an undercurrent that runs alongside modernism and entails various philosophical critiques and descriptions of modernity. This video (and Chomsky) is randomly cherry picking shit about power relations, but that was primarily Foucault. There are probably a hundred different schools of thought within "postmodernism", from just as many different philosophers. Hell, much of Zizek's work is trying to critique and deal with post-modernists, specifically Deleuze. He is a Uber modernist and humanist, but even he recognizes that post-modernist critiques deserve more respect than what Chomsky's lazy anti-intellectual ass gives it.
@kelly980
@kelly980 Месяц назад
If I write a load of gibberish and you say it's gibberish, I can just say you don't understand it. Got it. And Zizek is one of the biggest clowns of the lot.
@AngloSaks666
@AngloSaks666 Год назад
Total respect for Chomsky, his thinking, his experience, his observations, and also all respect to this attempt to critique something important, but we need actually engagement with a broad sample of what those who claim to be postmodernists actually say, and their couterarguments to criticism. This makes broad claims and generalisations about postmodernist thought and thinkers, many of which many of them themselves would challenge, and many of which are not what is often actually being said in the works critics draw these conclusions from. Many of the observations about the culture around it, of the status, power, financial reward, attention, etc., etc., is probably all true, but is a phenomenon surrounding it, and not the thing in itself. Many of the examples given of seemingly silly conclusions drawn or claims made by postmodernists are perhaps also true, but a mere list of such examples, not exploring where they might not exist at all, or where they might be looked at in proper context and seen to be not saying at all what people claim they are saying. There's a bunch of crap in there for sure, but that does not establish the whole venture as so flawed. It's like when the UK's Daily Mail finds immigrants defrauding the benefits system and presents that and all the realities around it that meant those immigrants could do that as a broad reality that means immigrants are a nuisance, the benefits system money merely thrown at the lazy, and the governmental systems that exist merely dumb, politically correct and wasteful. A broad look at the whole reality these examples sit in shows a very different reality in which these rare problems, dysfunctions, exploitations, and misunderstandings are inevitable hiccups in a system on the whole that makes a lot of sense. This cherry-picked bunch of criticisms and examples doesn't give a true critique of post modernism. Near the beginning a list of characteristics and central themes of postmodernism is given. These are generally taken by critics to mean that they think all proposed truths are as valid as each other, or that there is no objective reality, and that everything is a social construct, and that where the truth lies is merely a question of where the power lies, but none of these things are actually claimed by any of those listed scepticisms, which are merely a highlighting of how people variously relate their truths to their own situation and experience, and that the closed patterns of understanding we can get caught up in need to be questioned so as to in fact try at least to get closer to objective reality. I'm not saying you're wrong in any of this, just that it seems to merely be listing narrow criticisms of narrow aspects in narrow contexts, seen as shallowly at it is narrow, and therefore not to be really either clearly demonstrating real rot at the real fundament of postmodernism, nor even to be showing the more robust arguments Chomsky has. My basic response to this fashionable attacking of postmodernism in recent years is that both positive claims about it and negative ones seem to be simplistic, lacking context, and caricaturing it, and not reading it deeply or in proper context, and so it's a waste of time, and encourages me merely to go and actually read a lot more postmodernism. I feel quite sure that I'd find a lot of worth in it, even if all the negative things connected to it that are listed here are absolutely true, because it's so narrow a view, and so much cherry picking and merely listing negative critiques of it, or negative phenomena attached to it, and also often ver y rushed conclusions drawn about it that don't actully refer to the fullness of the ideas that it discusses, suggests, explains, makes claim to, etc., etc. It might seem clever that Chomsky turns their own arguments against them, and he probably is particularly doing this with those who wouldn't recognise that they're not applying the same standards to themselves, but that does not actually establish that the vast majority of them indeed would, and do apply the same standards to themselves. Just like the motivation of status, celebrity and material reward driving the activity of people criticised does not demonstrate that that drives them all, nor, even if it did prove that was true of all of them, prove that the original ideas were flawed in themselves. There is no actual dismantling of post-modernism here at all, just examples of where it does, or might, have negative outgrowings, and where it might be negatively exploited, and we don't know how often or rarely, because that context isn't given either. The closest to an actual discussion given to it is at the beginning, where all it is is a list of areas in which postmodernism questions with how much faith and confidence we should take claims that may have more of a subjective, biased or entrenched, habitual or systemised viewpoint than initially seems to be the case. That is actually the opposite of a denial of objective truth, yet....
@donotletthebeeswin
@donotletthebeeswin Год назад
You know he's a genocide denier right?
@conorknapp6764
@conorknapp6764 Год назад
Couldn’t agree more, Chomsky doesn’t actually engage with any of the claims or the discourse, he just waves it aside with a banal characterisation of it all as some celebrity-academic movement. For a man so erudite one would assume he could see past his own bias to critique beyond his shallow impressions, but we all have our biases I suppose, with our own blindnesses
@brunoaraujo1411
@brunoaraujo1411 Год назад
Everyone watching this video should read this text first.
@loudenlaffnite246
@loudenlaffnite246 Год назад
"My basic response to this fashionable attacking of postmodernism in recent years is that. . . .[you're] not reading it deeply" -- ah, the old yOu'Re-nOt-DeEp-EnOuGh ditty. And that's pretty choice: a Postmodernism-apologist claiming to be a victim of "fashionable" attack; outside of Critical Theory, what recent movement has gained more traction due to "fashion" than Postmodernism?
@grumpydharmabum
@grumpydharmabum Год назад
@@donotletthebeeswin ?
@petebrag
@petebrag Год назад
Wait, a structuralist analysis of postmodernism? Oh the irony. Even the haters have to admit that Foucault has aged well. What's interesting is the intention behind Chomsky's attacks.
@vickygreenplate113
@vickygreenplate113 Год назад
Foucault has aged very well. These systems are very hard to see. He's right about power. More so with pervasive technology.
@softwetbread248
@softwetbread248 8 месяцев назад
Chomsky is the shadow that is threatened by the postmodern condition, as such he rejects it. He is too much of a formalist to realize this though.
@counterstriving
@counterstriving Месяц назад
Yes, his intention and his emotional intensity,-- why does he express so much rancor not only toward the "effects" of postmodernism but the early big-name thinkers themselves? as if they intended and planned out all of these effects... (They didn't.)
@stefanmarin123
@stefanmarin123 Год назад
Well, if he critiques postmodernism using its own tools and concepts, does that invalidate postmodernism, or does it prove it right? Both options seem reasonable to me.
@soaked189
@soaked189 Год назад
I just get the instinct that most commentary on postmodernism doesn’t get to the heart of the ideas but it is a commentary on the groups that are a side effect of post modernist view.
@kida3168
@kida3168 Год назад
Chomsky has always been very rigid and shallow in his thinking about Postmodernism. This is weak, and has more to do with the problems with French academic rock-star culture than postmodern philosophy.
@transom2
@transom2 6 месяцев назад
Chomsky is on the money. Tho postmodernists may have made an occasional interesting point for the most part they generated masturbatory gibberish that did or does nothing to improve society and thereby serves the interests of the prevailing Plutocracy by failing to challenge its Status Quo.
@counterstriving
@counterstriving Месяц назад
Excellent comment.
@colej236
@colej236 Год назад
This guy is criminally underrated. I hope the algorithm blesses your channel. I'm a newbie to your channel but I am absolutely eating up the chomsky content. Would love a succinct breakdown of chomsky and skinner's beef back in the 19th century 😂
@klowen7778
@klowen7778 Год назад
Actually, the 'criminal' part is Chomsky defending Pol Pot by pedantically arguing re: the 'over-reporting' of just how 'many' millions were murdered during the Pol Pot massacres.... ironically mostly made up of educated folks and other 'intellectuals just like him.
@xiaonanw6374
@xiaonanw6374 Год назад
Criminal and retarded u mean
@jessejordache1869
@jessejordache1869 Год назад
"The Chomsky Reader" is a short omnibus of his writings (on Amazon it's even got an "explore now!" button that has his demolition job of Skinner. If you're looking for a back-and-forth, this is not that, but it at least gives you the reason there are no pure behaviorists anymore. The reason Noam Chomsky steps into a debate already carrying a body of work with him, and not someone who's gained their fame by making dullards in television opinion journalism look stupid, which is really shooting fish in a barrel [read: Jordan Peterson] is because of his work in linguistics, chiefly constructions of a universal grammar and arguments that grammar is an inherent part of the developing brain, as opposed to purely learned behavior. You learn to speak a language the same way you learn to see with binocular vision. This would inevitably bring him into conflict with B.F. Skinner, so you'd have to search pretty hard to actually see them beef with each other -- by the time Chomsky is a household name, B.F. Skinner has already lost.
@9000ck
@9000ck Год назад
There was beef in the 20th century. We currently live in the 21st century.
@colej236
@colej236 Год назад
@@9000ck tis true I may need to challenge you to a dual to restore my honor. Wasn't those in the 19th century 🤔
@magicsinglez
@magicsinglez Год назад
You’d have to understand what they are putting across in order to be shocked.
@francisbarrera9868
@francisbarrera9868 Год назад
Keep reading the text and you might understand. What book in specific are you having trouble with? You need more philosophical grounding to read some of these texts.
@magicsinglez
@magicsinglez Год назад
@@francisbarrera9868: I’m saying the same thing Chomsky is saying; post-modernist writing is jibberish
@andrewsmith3257
@andrewsmith3257 Год назад
Exactly
@gcavenaugh
@gcavenaugh Год назад
Does anyone really think that PROFESSORS are in power and in control of substantive financial resources today? In what universe is power concentrated in academia as opposed to banking, pharmaceuticals, technology, and media production/distribution? Chomsky has a ridiculously overblown view of academia...
@sincerityissacred5101
@sincerityissacred5101 8 месяцев назад
Yep, you've got a point. I see academic institutions as a whole losing power and status rapidly (with the exception of engineering and maybe a few other hard applied science training fields). Professors in humanities and social science fields know they are in a very precarious state- and they're panicking-- throwing wild hail Mary shots-- or just burning the whole neighborhood down. It's pure desperation. This was my experience as a grad student trying to make sense of the scene and subculture I was immersed in.
@geinikan1kan
@geinikan1kan Год назад
I’m not going to defend postmodernism as a “movement,” because I don’t think it is a unified movement, that is a lie spread by anti-postmodernists. Postmodernism began as a term to describe architecture that declared itself post-modern architecture. All the shit attributed to post modernism is as much a part of the period within which postmodernism emerges as it is some deliberate scheme of mass postmodernists. Blaming post modernism for the period it emerges is like blaming modernism for WWI.
@ha5638
@ha5638 Год назад
It a popularity contest in the end, isn't it? Except that Chomsky has already won by virtue of surviving all the other dudes. Literally, the last word on the topic...this clip is just a cheap dig without any engagement on the debates.
@CarlosElio82
@CarlosElio82 Год назад
Alan Sokal exposed their academic BS in one of their leading journals. Postmodernists wallow in nonsense, with intense devotion.
@marichristian1072
@marichristian1072 Год назад
Yes I believe Sokal et al wrote some post modern gobbledegook which was actually published in a mathematics journal.
@CarlosElio82
@CarlosElio82 Год назад
@@marichristian1072 Perhaps also in a mathematics journal, but for sure was published in Lingua Franca, the leading journal of postmodernists. Sokal wanted to prove that the language of postmodernism is gobbledygook while the language of science is mathematics, so postmodernists should not meddle in the province of science. Lingua Franca dedicated an issue to postmodernism in science.
@sincerityissacred5101
@sincerityissacred5101 8 месяцев назад
For an update, check this out the Pluckrose, Lindsay, Boghossian hoaxes.
@counterstriving
@counterstriving Месяц назад
Some of them, sometimes, to varying degrees. It's not really that different from what people with academic ambitions have always done, trying to get good grades, a job, a professorship, tenure, also some people like attention, and that's true in many walks of life.
@rafaelantoniorodrigues2390
@rafaelantoniorodrigues2390 Год назад
there´s no substantial critique of post-modernism in this video. Actually, it shows that the ones who did it don´t understand it at all. In the beginning, I was enthusiastic by the title of the video and was really interested to see an actual critique of post-modernism, but there´s none.
@kelly980
@kelly980 Месяц назад
How do you critique waffle without just saying it's waffle? Let me say something and then you critique it: "Goo-goo ga-ga, both-sided representations sublate societies undercurrents of ga--ga goo-goo similitude that was displayed in the expressions of historians looking into the matrix of the underpinnings of their relevant institutions." How do you critique that without just saying it's nonsense?
@santiagomongef
@santiagomongef Год назад
Really great video for outing Chomsky of not understanding “postmodernism” (whatever that is) or any post-structuralist philosopher. The real problem here is academia, which some of the more prominent writers have indeed circumvented. Chomsky’s opinions everywhere outside strict linguistics are idiotic.
@99tonnes
@99tonnes 11 месяцев назад
And inside strict linguistics. I've been there, it's desolate.
@ekkeism
@ekkeism Год назад
I have spent a great deal of time on Derrida and do think that he can be understood and that his ideas and reasoning are in fact quite profound. It is also to be noted that his concepts draw heavily on his philosophy predecessors such as Husserl, Heidegger, Saussure, Hegel - to mention but a few. Even those subjected to his readings eg Rousseau, Levi-Strauss contribute to his philosophy. I do not pretend to know much about his contempories - but to dismiss him as simply too difficult or obscure is also bad philosophy. There are parts of his work which are vogue seeking or sensationalist, but not what I would call the core.
@99tonnes
@99tonnes 11 месяцев назад
I discovered Derrida, I forget by what happy accident, while studying Chomskyan linguistics (decades ago). It was such a relief to find someone with really interesting things to say about (among other things) language, when Chomsky had almost stultified me into thinking it was the most boring thing in the world. Chomsky's mind runs on very rigid rails. And Chomskyan semantics was unbelievably, laughably primitive - which they gradually, but entirely unsuccessfully, addressed by making it incomprehensibly formal, yet still incapable of getting much beyond 'analysis' of the meaning of 'bachelor'. I mean, I agree with you (even if I did just try to read "'Genesis and structure' and phenomenology" and got completely lost in the second half.)
@VioletDeliriums
@VioletDeliriums 11 месяцев назад
Well Chomsky doesn't get it, so it must be wrong.
@Uniule
@Uniule 9 месяцев назад
Majority of Deleuze's books are analyses and explanations of other philosophers' concepts, like Spinoza, Kant, Leibniz, Bergson and Nietzsche. Pretty important and fundamental stuff.
@nothingmatters321
@nothingmatters321 Год назад
How to develop an excellent critique of a philosophical movement. 1) Become an elite professor. 2) Ignore the work of others for 50 years in neighboring fields. 3) Dismiss the work. 4) Watch as admiring acolytes repeat the dismissal.
@halfredp
@halfredp Год назад
Chomsky is the old guard. Postmodernists are more common than this video makes them out to be. Kurt Vongergut, Jean-Paul Sarte, John Fowles to name a few. Their ideas are represented in more works than you may think! Catch-22, American Psycho, Naked Lunch. This video paints Postmodernism as an absurdist abstraction. That is a lay interpretation. Postmodernism explores reality as a place much more complicated than we can perceive, and sees the human as overly confident in its abilities to perceive ideas both local and theoretical. To the brief “scientific” point touched on but not explained in this video, neuroscience and physics have concluded as much is true: we vastly oversimplify our reality. We are simply limited in our capacity to understand reality. We see tuberculosis, to borrow his example, as a singular thing. In reality it is millions of organisms, interacting with billions more, waging a massive war in an organism which is independent of, but also dependent on, the organ where TB wages it’s war. As a result, TB has different outcomes for different people and the course of it depends on thousands of factors (including those as distant as where you lived as a child and the climate where you live now, for example). Another example: consider a car. Cars are viewed as independent objects, despite their being very complicated, we feel we “know” them. Of a car’s many parts, none can operate on their own as a car is intended. In this way, a car is fundamentally different from its parts. Conversely, none of its parts could be mistaken as a car on their own. Nor could a car with its parts strewn about in the back seat operate as a car. The idea and the function of the car relies on each part, their position in space and the forces acting on them. Therefore, knowing about a car is the same as knowing about its parts and how they fit together. The view of the car as this standalone object is therefore an oversimplification. This is Postmodernism, a nuanced but comprehensive view of an object, concept or structure. “Why not take it further?” a Postmodernist might ask the mechanic, “why not learn about chemistry and corrosion and physics and wear?” In this way, Postmodernism is absurd because it never ceases to seek more information. Is this not what we should want for ourselves too? Postmodernism asks us to investigate everything to see its formal causes, and it teaches us how to do so. In learning about Postmodernism, you also learn about yourself and your life as subjects of your study. It is a fantastic and enriching experience. I am not saying they got everything right and that they’re not pretentious, but they are valuable. To learn more, consider reading on Jacques Derrida, Jacques Lacan, Jean-Paul Sarte, Simone de Beauvoir. It’s taxing at first, but more rewarding than Chomsky would have you believe.
@wendigo2442
@wendigo2442 Год назад
Chomsky: "post mod...er.... frankfu......buh.... Where am I"
@L14MA
@L14MA 8 месяцев назад
"There is very important book by Jean Bricmont and Alan Sokal, I forget what it's called, Dangerous Solutions or something. Where they simply go through, (they happen to concentrate on Paris which is the centre of the rot but it's all over), and they go through the most respected French intellectuals and run through what they say about science, and you know it's so embarrassing, that you kind of cringe when you read it."
@BrickGriff
@BrickGriff Месяц назад
_That_ Alan Sokal? 🙄
@educatingfool216
@educatingfool216 Год назад
When and where in the interview Chomsky said Postmodernism is this or that!?
@ComradeRedRoo
@ComradeRedRoo Год назад
idk y but at 2:08 when it cuts to chomskys legs dangling i lost it he looks so small.
@JCPJCPJCP
@JCPJCPJCP Год назад
Aren't we past all that by now? Aren't we into the era of post-postmodernism? Edit: aka metamodernism.
@peternyc
@peternyc Год назад
@LoneDuck, how is metamodernism used? Does it have a central idea to put forth, or is it more of a tool, useful in analyzing?
@JCPJCPJCP
@JCPJCPJCP Год назад
@peternyc It tries to use both Modernism and Postmodernism, strike a balance, find a middle ground. My understanding of it is new and limited, but it "is a thing." Time to do more research. From about 180 miles to the north, I ❤️ NYC. Lived there briefly as a child and it made a huge impression on me.
@peternyc
@peternyc Год назад
@@JCPJCPJCP Thanks, LoneDuck. I need to look into it more myself. NYC was a cool place before the 80's. It's a hub of capitalism, like all major cities, but you see a huge variety of ethnicities, social classes, identities, and so forth all squished into the same spaces. For that, NYC is special.
@MrUndersolo
@MrUndersolo Год назад
We seem to be post-everything right now (just cannot figure out what common ground we now stand on).
@jonathanbailey1597
@jonathanbailey1597 Год назад
It's an old, tired, and nonsense debate that captivates K-12 and first year undergraduates until they realise that it's all strawmanning and hot air.
@NovakiSalem
@NovakiSalem Год назад
"Postmodern methodology is stupid and baseless, so I will use it to critique postmodernism..."
@tonygumbrell22
@tonygumbrell22 Год назад
He makes no such statement, he points out hypocrisy inherent in postmodernism.
@DivineMisterAdVentures
@DivineMisterAdVentures 29 дней назад
4:00 The French Intellectual Media Phenomenon provokes Competition for Crazy things to Say.
@eottoe2001
@eottoe2001 Год назад
For a long time, I didn't think Postmodernism was all that relevant except in France or hoity-toity universities northeastern US, however, when I look at the tactics used to attack vaccines and science here in the US and around the world, you can see that it can have major ramifications like the US having 5 times the death rate by Covid compared to Australia, Japan, Norway, or Isreal. The evangelical movement focuses on the “personal” experience with "god" and not the theological or ethical relation to “god” in the past. The gun phrase "Gun don't kill, people kill" is exquisite post-modern because it divorces the object from the intention of the object. In the US we had 45.2K gun death in 2020.
@harshkumar2473
@harshkumar2473 Год назад
As far as i have understood choamsky ... He is very pragmatic...... He dismisses anything which is obscure and doesn't help common people directly or indirectly..... That's why he is very much against post modernism and i am trying to understand Foucault and derrida and it's very complex ....... What the hell can a common person gain from it except abstract concepts
@subcitizen2012
@subcitizen2012 Год назад
Youre trying to look at it pragmatically. Why does it have to illicit some sort of gain? The common man already rejects most philosophy for this reason. That's not a problem with philosophy; it's a problem with the common man expecting gain and absolute clarity. And my dear child, if you truly are curious, you better stay curious about it, just wait until you truly grasp it and realize it's not in the abstract at all, nor the practical understanding it could help you gain...
@LowestofheDead
@LowestofheDead Год назад
You're right, that's the real disagreement here
@danx1216
@danx1216 Год назад
NO it is not complex it is deliberately contradictory to put one in a maze it is a ignorant silly childish game.. #Obviosu #Cult
@harshkumar2473
@harshkumar2473 Год назад
@@danx1216 nopz it is complex most people don't understand these things .... And common people should gain something from everything... They are already at crisis because of rigorous capitalism.... and if they don't find anything useful in the post-modern concept to gain a common ground and overthrow regimes that are constantly trying to either use them and discard them.... Then what's the point of this philosophy.... You can point out all the contradict i have no problem with it i think it's a good thing and socrates and hegel did the same thing.... But there is something which could be understood from socrates about society and modern political methods and concept ..... That's not how it is with post-modernism ... And in fact all the post-modernist philosophers have very different ideas
@harshkumar2473
@harshkumar2473 Год назад
@@subcitizen2012 yeah if common people under the pressure of political and capitalist regime can gain some insight from anything ... Then it is illicit ... Okay
@ast453000
@ast453000 Год назад
I don't understand why you don't let Chomsky speak for himself. His critiques of PM are perfectly clear and understandable, and -- no offense -- but much better than your inadequate explanations.
@robertabrahamsen9076
@robertabrahamsen9076 3 месяца назад
If you didn't intend offense you ought have struck "inadequate." If your own criticism was adequate, you would have explained how the video was flawed.
@2o3ief
@2o3ief 3 месяца назад
​​@@robertabrahamsen9076but he did lol and inadequate is a necessary component of his complaint
@patpowers9210
@patpowers9210 Год назад
Liked and subscribed: a great summary of Chomsky's position.
@EcoMythos
@EcoMythos 11 месяцев назад
I'm in 4th year for Socio-Cultural Anthropology and I get this. Next year I will be out on the street, explaining to my homeless friends how Strauss considers incest to be the basis of all culture, and how phonemes resemble kinship cladograms. *hey guys where you going?*
@sincerityissacred5101
@sincerityissacred5101 8 месяцев назад
I empathize!
@andrebenoit283
@andrebenoit283 Год назад
The power of correlationism cannot be understated.
@skyolson3905
@skyolson3905 Год назад
Chomsky is spot-on in his analysis of power dynamics.
@VioletDeliriums
@VioletDeliriums 11 месяцев назад
So was Foucault.
@jameshicks7125
@jameshicks7125 Год назад
Did ChatGPT write this? This was a stream of grammatically correct yet dead end assertions, cobbled together with audio and video clips removed from their context, to essentially say, "Postmodernism is bad umm kay?" By showing us pictures, are we expected to merely dismiss and sweep aside, Foucault, Derrida, and Lacan? If I were to classify a postmodernist, it would be in the practice of epistemic dis-integration, for the sake of being "edgy". This video was a narrative of epistemic dead-ends - ironically very similar to postmodernism - the very thing in which it seeks to disparage.(!)
@ChrisTopher-xu2dh
@ChrisTopher-xu2dh Год назад
Really enjoyed this. Thanks for your efforts!
@tbobtbob330
@tbobtbob330 Месяц назад
Nobody took Postmodernism seriously for years until the marxists realized in the 70s how potent an ideological weapon it could be. It allowed ANY statement of fact or of a claim of truth to be instantly swept aside. It was a huge win also for feminism and for Catholicism (you can read scripture to mean anything you want, so just like when scripture was in latin and greek, you have to rely on the priest to tell you what God's will is).
@alecmeans3442
@alecmeans3442 Год назад
This is the same Noam Chomsky who basically said that "Pirahã doesn't violate the rules of universal grammar because I said so" right?
@CausticPop
@CausticPop Год назад
Criticisms of postmodernism as a "school" and the behaviors/attitudes/opinions of its adherents are all good and well, but the core tenets of the philosophy aren't broached. I find them to be pretty uncontroversial. This summary was done by Google's AI Bard, I leave it here as an exercise for the viewers to consider: "Postmodernism is an intellectual movement that arose in the mid-20th century as a reaction to the perceived failures of modernism. Postmodernists argue that modernism was based on the assumption that there is a single, objective truth that can be discovered through reason and science. They argue that this is a naive and dangerous assumption, as it leads to the oppression of those who do not conform to the dominant ideology. Postmodernists also argue that modernism is based on the assumption that there is a single, linear history that can be understood through the study of great men and events. They argue that this is a simplistic and misleading view of history, as it ignores the complex and often contradictory forces that shape the world we live in. Postmodernists advocate for a more pluralistic and open-minded view of the world. They argue that there are many different truths and histories, and that we should not be afraid to question the assumptions of modernism. Postmodernism has had a major impact on a wide range of fields, including philosophy, art, literature, architecture, and criticism. It has also been influential in the development of social movements such as feminism and postcolonialism."
@moodrahkamite818
@moodrahkamite818 Год назад
AI is WOKE
@FraterOculus
@FraterOculus Год назад
It sounds very benign on the surface, but actually it's ideological extents and conclusions go much further and have had a much more negative affect on culture than is expressed here
@christofthedead
@christofthedead Год назад
@@FraterOculus Despite some less than productive ideas, it has also had an extremely positive affect on culture and negated a lot of the pitfalls of modernism that also aren't covered here. Almost like it's a complicated & nuanced field of thought, rather than a scary boogeyman to demonise.
@bodhibrother
@bodhibrother Месяц назад
@@FraterOculus Can you actually name those 'ideological extents and conclusions?' Give them a shape? A color? Anything?
@whynottalklikeapirat
@whynottalklikeapirat Год назад
The thing about Chomsky is I really want to know what he is saying but he sends me to sleep every time with his hypnotic drone. Denneth fools me by looking kind and invested and making little dad jokes but before you know it - you’re off … he is like an angler fish god of sleep, that way, but Chomsky shows you the nature of his sleep magic right away, and then still makes it work by fixating you with the steady, slightly slurred typewriter rythm of his voice and then softly but surely exhausting your mental faculties.
@wyntyrmute
@wyntyrmute Год назад
Chomsky talks like a robot that is falling asleep.
@whynottalklikeapirat
@whynottalklikeapirat Год назад
@@wyntyrmute when AI becomes too human for it’s own good …
@whynottalklikeapirat
@whynottalklikeapirat Год назад
@@wyntyrmute “Slurry Robot” is like an indie band name …
@sincerityissacred5101
@sincerityissacred5101 8 месяцев назад
Right. You sound like Trump criticizing the other politicians. Not entertaining enough.
@whynottalklikeapirat
@whynottalklikeapirat 8 месяцев назад
@@sincerityissacred5101 You on the other hand - are quite the barrel of laughs 😏
@humesspoon3176
@humesspoon3176 Год назад
The claim with Latour and TB being a social construct wasn't an ontological claim like it seems you may be insinuating. The point Latour made was that the Pharaoh dying of TB was socially constructed to be the case epistemically. Not every social construct needs to be ontological.
@atticusosullivan9332
@atticusosullivan9332 Год назад
Latour is extremely conservative, anti-marxist and a pseudo environmentalist
@NathanielHellerstein
@NathanielHellerstein Год назад
Pu-leese! Did they find TB bacilli in the mummy or not? "the Pharaoh dying of TB was socially constructed to be the case epistemically." What does that *_mean?!_* Other than you're smarter than me?
@MegaSteve1957
@MegaSteve1957 11 месяцев назад
Certain social constructions being quite the controversial thing at the moment..
@mencken8
@mencken8 8 месяцев назад
Mr. Chomsky is himself a postmodernist figure- a caricature of the expert who knows everything about any subject one cares to name.
@TheFiddle101
@TheFiddle101 Год назад
Noam Chomstky is so right. We need more academics like him.
@512Squared
@512Squared 11 месяцев назад
This isn't an analysis. It's silly name-calling.
@weixiong1.0
@weixiong1.0 Год назад
This isn’t the harshest criticism of post modernism. This is too gentle and respectful for a bunch of pretentious bullshitters. Humanity’s understanding has by far come to stagnation due to these fools’ clowning for a full century.
11 месяцев назад
Why life was better when I was young, and all I did was to work harder and harder? Whenever I distance myself from the crowded and loud city life, I feel happiness. And I am sure almost no one loves to live in big cities but the money was somehow taken away from the small establishments to feed giant companies. Therefore, we have to follow where the money is as being one of the better educated people. The other option is to work in a farm with a body that is not prepared and experienced to work in a farm. What must I do to be happy? Explain this Chomsky!
@counterstriving
@counterstriving Месяц назад
I liked your comments. The kinds of things you described are more important and real than which ideologies people "believe in" and fight over
@paissaa
@paissaa Год назад
Hate the fact that there are no links to at least some of the original content! I want to see Chomskys video
@xenoblad
@xenoblad Год назад
Cool video, but I got the feeling that he’s going more after the thinkers and not their ideas. Is he objecting to the idea of grand narratives being false? Is he objecting to the idea of synthetic knowledge being true? At most all I got was that post modernists don’t make predictions and that’s true, but they’re not claiming to make predictions. They’re just doing philosophy which isn’t about predicting specific things about the future, unless you consider setting limits on what can conceptually be done to be a form of prediction.
@PunishedFelix
@PunishedFelix 10 месяцев назад
When you watched the Netflix original series but didnt read the manga
@squatch545
@squatch545 Год назад
Notice how postmodernism is never defined in this video, nor are any actual postmodernists ever identified. That way, the narrator can sneer and hurl insults without fear of saying anything that can be fact checked.
@shaynagaultier5617
@shaynagaultier5617 Год назад
They showed more than one shot of Deleuze so.......
@ss193857
@ss193857 Год назад
Facts? Who needs facts? Got it?
@squatch545
@squatch545 Год назад
@@shaynagaultier5617 True, but Deleuze is never quoted or cited.
@II-wk8kv
@II-wk8kv 11 месяцев назад
Does he not define it at the start? Could you give me your definition?
@mayormccheese6171
@mayormccheese6171 11 месяцев назад
If you're watching this video do you really need one? You should understand the basics going in.
@Hajfena63
@Hajfena63 Год назад
Am I missing something or was this almost entirely a critique of postmodernist academics rather than postmodernism itself?
@GG-mn9ls
@GG-mn9ls Год назад
hi does anyone know the book he mentions at 3:00? i keep trying to look it up, but can’t find it. i’m probably spelling authors names wrong. thanks
@pharaohhermenthotip1553
@pharaohhermenthotip1553 Год назад
It's called 'Fashionable Nonsense: Postmodern Intellectuals' Abuse of Science' by the physicists Alan Sokal and Jean Bricmont. You can also look up the 'Sokal Affair' for more context
@GG-mn9ls
@GG-mn9ls Год назад
@@pharaohhermenthotip1553 wow thank you so much!!
@sonakshimittal7427
@sonakshimittal7427 3 месяца назад
@@pharaohhermenthotip1553 Scrolled down all the way to see this comment. Here's your cape
@tcmackgeorges12
@tcmackgeorges12 Год назад
Aka Chomsky has never read Foucault, Derrida, or Deleuze
@williamerickson520
@williamerickson520 Год назад
Seems he debated Foucault directly. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-eF9BtrX0YEE.html
@Max-Everest
@Max-Everest 11 месяцев назад
I have, I was forced to at university, and it's nothing but white noise bullshit.
@tcmackgeorges12
@tcmackgeorges12 11 месяцев назад
@@Max-Everest “I can’t understand it” gotcha
@TheSirmousavi
@TheSirmousavi 11 месяцев назад
The irony of Chomsky being on about French intellectuals being treated as super stars...
@christianvaneeden7460
@christianvaneeden7460 Год назад
Spoken like a true structuralist.
@VioletDeliriums
@VioletDeliriums Год назад
Exactly! As if some hypothesized, yet unverifiable hidden structure embedded within the human mind that allows them to understand some language is not a crazy idea that someone can hide behind and pretend to know things.
@addammadd
@addammadd 11 месяцев назад
@@VioletDeliriumsit helps to pivot sharply to populist activism and refuse to consider actually reading the works you claim to critique.
@VioletDeliriums
@VioletDeliriums 11 месяцев назад
@@addammadd Perhaps you should consider actually reading the works you defend?
@urosjovanovic808
@urosjovanovic808 11 месяцев назад
@@VioletDeliriums genetic basis for language (a uniquely human enterprise) is a crazy idea? lol, you sound more ridiculous than you may suspect
@VioletDeliriums
@VioletDeliriums 11 месяцев назад
@@urosjovanovic808 that's not what i said...just because it might be based upon some genetic commonality does not mean it is structured as chomsky suggests... but ok, erect your straw man and enjoy yourself. :) ...and who is to say that animals do not have languages? certainly they may not be like human languages, but it sure does appear that they are able to generate sounds to communicate. perhaps yet another wild assumption on your part, fueled by some sort of random neuron firing?
@tastemaker_87
@tastemaker_87 2 месяца назад
the most brutal critique of post modernism is post modernism itself
@moonlightdriver800
@moonlightdriver800 14 дней назад
At 7:30 we testify an appalling truth. As a dweller of the Global South (the former third world) I can attest that those post modern french phonies did a hell of a lot of damage. All of our human science field was devastated by that gang. Foucault's involvement with degrading sexual exploitation when he visited Brasil are infamous, quite well known, on the other hand little spoken. A lesser known french 'philosopher' Gerard Lebrun, allegedly a Kant specialist, was charged with pedophilia by Brazilian police in the late 90's. Strangely, Lebrun died shortly after in his parisian apartment . What to say about Louis Althuser having strangled his wife and come clean after that? it gives some dimension of their damage.
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