Great video, well thought out. We are hobbyists maple syrup producers in east central Minnesota, my wife and I tap 150-175 trees. John Deere has always been the go to tractor here. But as of late the John Deere owners have been trading for Kubota’s. Lot more orange in the area now since Kubota dealer came to town. Best of luck!
I have the LS MT342. Got so much more for my money. Love the cab. Have 3 friends 1 with a 4 series and 2 with the 573. They all love their tractors. The fact that you have a dealer close that you trust is also a big factor.
We own an LS. I can say after a few hundred hours, it is definitely a workhorse! It’s my go to for every day of jobs. We haven’t had any issues other than replacement of the front grill due to my over achieving with a grapple. 😂 I agree the resale numbers might be lower, but your saving that on the initial investment. Besides, it will be many years and many times the hours before I’ll trade it out for another tractor.
I bought an LS XR 4145 in 2018. I have 350 hours on it with absolutely zero problems. Kubota and LS are two of the few companies that actually make all of their own equipment in the 50 horse and under department. LS is less expensive without sacrificing much refinement. As for reliability I've had mine for 5 years now. Go for the LS if you haven't already!
I've got an LS MT7101 with the power shuttle shift. We looked at them all but found i just got more with the LS than the other brands. We were looking at the same one you were and then my wife realized the big tractor basically fit everywhere the little ones did but felt way more stable and the "instructor seat" is our special needs daughters favorite place to be when dads running the tractor. I've got over 200hrs in about 7-8months and no issues so far, just def, fuel and the regular maintenance. I added the third remote on the rear and it has the third function on the loader. Never wished I had a smaller tractor (especially when baling and hauling hay, or pretty much anything else) but always wished I had a bit bigger tractor. Plenty of power and the R-14 tires are pretty nice, I like them a lot more than I thought I would. The radio Bluetooth will reach my phone a long ways off (good and bad). And I love the air ride seat
LS Brother you will no have a problem. I do love My LS. You will save in the Purchase of the Tractor 🚜 & the parts replacement. They are not so expensive line Kubota and John Deer.
I’m still a John Deere guy, I worked as a road mechanic for them so I’m partial but I feel like the support and availability is a big factor for me. I believe you can add some of those features you mentioned on the Deere. Everything has global sourcing on them now so no matter what you are waiting on it to come from somewhere. Best of luck on your decision and remember at the end of the day it’s what’s best for your family and the farm and that’s what counts!
I have a 5075e used for commercial work heavy selective clearing paired with a cosmo bully bpf 185 mulcher flail mower. It got 500hrs no problems and works it's guts out. Australia 🇦🇺
The M-4's are incredibly popular for Kabota. You couldn't find one anywhere during the pandemic. You're lucky to have it as an option. All three are excellent , but the Deluxe Kabota will have better re-sale value than the Economy E Deer and the LS.
Well, I would for the LS. I don't have one, but this is the biggest bang for the buck. I got a New Holland TN75 with close to 4000 hours on it and it has never let me down. Sure a few little things, but I was so far always able to fix it myself.
I just took delivery on a new LS MT468 Tractor. The thing that tipped the scale in the LS's favor was price and standard features. For $10,000 or $15,000 less than what I would spend for a green or orange tractor, I was able to buy an LS. That difference is going to let me buy a lot of implements. In 10 or 15 years from now, the resale value of an LS vs the green or orange ones may be a big difference in the opposite direction. But for now I'm liking my LS. There were a lot of standard features about the LS that I liked. Things like 3 remote cylinder pairs in the rear, an air conditioned cab, self leveler on the front end loader, and a fuel tank that I can fill from ground level instead of making a mess trying to fill the fuel tank on the top of the hood - like the JD.
Thanks for watching, Jim! I picked up a "training seat" recently. I call them buddy seats. I will get that installed and make a video. I think it's a nice thing to have when I'm showing my dad what all the levers do.
We went with the LS MT5.73. ours is the power shuttle with the electronic clutch on the shifter, works great. We also have a B series Kubota with a hydrostat trans. Fit and finish of the Kubota is a bit finer on the Kubota, but the LS comes standard with everything. We use both of our tractors at different properties for pushing snow, both work. We installed the buddy seat in our LS MT5 and works well. We went with the LS over the Kubota for the cost savings, and all the features. Time will tell which one to go with. Only you can decide which is best for your needs and budget.
The 5075E is now available with a "Premium Cab" version for an additional 4k'ish that includes a lot of upgrades that would cost much more if you added them later. These include sunroof, redesigned controls, third function capable mid valve, second scv installed, wider tires, loader hydraulic quick connect, air ride seat, LED lighting, headlight off delay timer, buddy seat, three point electronic position control, bluetooth radio,right hand door,rear wiper and washer, and rear window pull handle. That's a lot of stuff.
I got a 5075 in March 2022 an its been problem free, absolutely love it! I sat in a Massey 4707 also. The 4707 had a tone of features but I wasn't interested in all that electric over hydraulics. I felt the 5075 was simpler, better quality, an it was cheaper. Them smaller front tires can be a bit rough on any gravel roads that haven't been bladed in the spring so I'm looking to get them upgraded next spring. Maybe put a air seat in it also.
I purchased the M4D-071 it didn’t have the radio I told the dealer I’m spending enough money with you, install a radio for free. No arguments I am very happy with my Kubota.
My personal opinion. Sounds like your First year of plowing snow. Visibility, smoothness and ease of operation. Plowing takes a toll on your clutch leg and your head is mounted on a swivel depending on the situation. I didn’t notice if they were all hydrostatic or not. A lot to consider. At the end of the day it’s all about what fits you better for your wants and needs. Good luck
Yes my property is grass and gravel I put together a western on a skid plate thinking that would be the best way to go did not work as well is expected but the positive in that is I made a ski bracket for the end’s of the bucket and with as much as I have to plow it forces me to feel the ground and tilt my bucket on the fly in floating mode running my loader around 15to1700 rpm with the hand throttle doesn’t affect any of the clutch operation as far as I can tell mostly use second gear and second and third in my range selection it is my first year moving snow with Hercules so if you have any additional advice you can share it would be greatly appreciated thanks
I’ve owned JD Series tractors 2, 3, 4HD and 5E. Based on my experience and observing how many used tractor with minimal hours show up for resale at the local dealer each spring is an accurate testament that most people buy on price over real valued features and end up with too small of tractor the next year. It sounds like most of your work will be loader, so likely will need a 520M MSL or 540M loader. In addition you want a minimum Two SCVs on the rear for any future hydraulic implements you might find come in handy. If you can justify the price JD5075M tractor with skid steer carrier, 520M MSL loader 3,600LBS lift capacity. You’ll be hurling honey till the bees come home.
Im a JD guy, mysellf. But if you have had a couple of Kubotas and have had good luck out of them, why look anywhere else? Plus, you have already got an established relationship with that dealer. As far as LS,how long have they been around? How long has your local LS dealer been selling LS? Will they be there in 10-20 years from now when you need service or parts? Ask yourself the same question of the Kubota or JD.
Just saw your video and your test driving was a useful way to find out what some of the differences were. I'd go LS for price and the extras it came with. Up in Canada most will use a blower to distribute snow, rather then push up banks. Keep in mind that the JD is a re-badged Mahindra. I'm in a Kioti 6620 and am happy with it.
New subscriber here. Great job on this video. I have been an “all John Deere” guy most of my life. Back in 2012, we bought our first Kubota. In 2019, bought my 2nd Kubota. In 2020, the 3rd Kubota. I still feel that the John Deere’s make you feel like they sat you down in the seat at the factory and built the tractor around you. All the controls are absolutely where they feel like they should be. One of the nicest cabs in the industry. Also with the Deere’s, they have hands down the best dealership networks and parts availability. They take a back seat to no one in that regard. My decisions to go with Kubota equipment were many. The RTV 900 purchase vs. the John Deere Gator was because Deere hadn’t yet come out with power steering. They did almost immediately after we bought the Kubota. Still very pleased with the Kubota. Not a minutes worth of trouble with it and use it a lot. I think the Gator is a little nicer looking unit, but the Kubota isn’t hard to look at either. My little Kubota tractor is their economy version. A L2501. No Tier 4 Federal emissions junk on it and a very handy little tractor for what I use it for. I now have 4 loader tractors. 😊
The difference in price of the LS vs Kubota is staggering. 17K!! Heck, for 17K, you could buy another compact utility tractor with a loader!! My point being, the Kubota might be slightly more refined than the LS, but is it 17K more refined??? I went through this same thing and I just bought an LS MT357. I run a sawmill operation with mine, and so far I absolutely love it, I have 200 hours on it now. The cab is quiet, heat and AC work fantastic, fit and finish is great, and it's a powerhouse. I also have great dealer support, so honestly, what more could I want?? For me, when I compared prices with other brands, the money I saved by buying the LS allowed me to spend that much more on other things, like implements and other accessories. I have a feeling that someday in the near future, LS tractors won't be as affordable once the market is saturated with them.. but since they are still fairly new on the block, I say take advantage of the low price while you can! I live in Southern Illinois, and since the LS dealership showed up several years ago, my entire area has been steadily turning from orange and green to blue!! Good luck in your choice!
We went with the Deere 5075E. It was less than the orange one. LS just doesn't have parts support good enough to support commercial use. We use ours all summer and fall doing commercial field mowing. 2000 hours and no problems so far other than a starter. Deere had one to us the next day. We would likely have been down for a week or two with the Korean brands.
To be fair, the E series is the economy line- few frills, just the basics. They definitely have the options you mentioned, at least in the more premium lines. The LS and Kubota were more premium models. I just watched a review and walk around last night from a guy who bought a 5125R for a loader tractor and mowing. He had that puppy ALL tricked out. Including all the items you mentioned- the loader view roof (with sunshade); 3rd function hydro; rear controls for both hitch AND PTO- on both sides; Buddy seat; Even lights that go on the loader arms to illuminate the bucket. Plus you can release the QA loader attachments from inside the cab! It IS pricier, no getting around that- but you're getting premium row crop tractor functionality in a utility tractor. I forget the channel, but he did the best walkaround and review I'd ever seen. Not just the what, but the why and how it fits his needs, explained clearly and concisely. I think I learned more about the 5R tractors there than from anything Deere put out. They ought to hire him to do their tractor videos, lol. I know, too late to help you with this purchase... (but there's always next time) One thing that stood out: Deere figured out a way to make these 5R tractors even more nimble: A structural oil pan. Which shortens the overall length and width. It's physically smaller than the 5M he replaced with it, and this is a 4 cylinder 125hp tractor, vs a 3 cylinder lower hp unit. The lower hp models are also like this. They aren't merely higher trim lines of the same basic unit. The LS tractor looked pretty impressive, too. I have a dealer within 5 miles of me, right next to the Deere dealer. He mostly carries the compacts and compact utilites, though. I didn't see anything that big there. I wonder if it- and the Kubota- have a modulation control somewhere to mitigate the jerky starts. I'd guess they would.
@@BissellMapleFarm There's a knob on the dashboard near the reverser to control how aggressively the reverser engages. At least that's where JD puts it. I've never sat in a Kubota or LS, so I have no idea how they do it. Pretty sure I've heard Neil Messick talk about it in his Kubota videos tho.
John Deere is by far the best deal. If your doing and brush hogging or disking in fire breaks you will bend the steering linkage on the LS and Kubota. The deer has a much smarter and beefier set up for the axles, especially the front.
I think more than price should come into play here. It’s a workhorse tool so I would really take a look at lift capacity on the loader and 3pt, hydraulic flow rate (it often gets overlooked but if you’re using them everyday it makes an impact), standard equipment. Most things can be optioned but it adds up quick. 3rd function and multiple rear remotes help a lot with the larger range of available attachments.
I have the LS it also has the electronic clutch on the gear shift plus it has 3 hydrolic outlets on the rear plus it's also already set up for a third function valve to operate a grapple bucket
I just got a 5075e and absolutely love it. I added the rights side door kit and a buddy seat, dealer installed for $1,500. That’s still thousands less then the Kubota.
Last trackor I got only trouble I am having is the electronics.i wouldn't get the electronic clutch I see nothing but trouble. Take care, be safe and well
Local mechanic up the road from me has a Kioti. I believe it’s 60 hp full cab with bucket. He’s had it for 20 years now and pushes as well as snow blows with it commercially. Loads my syrup drums for me and hydraulics are very smooth. He has a set of forks for it as well….not attached to the bucket but to the loader. Whatever you get it should be smooth hydrostatics and hydraulics that aren’t jerky. Just my two cents 🍁 Less electronics the better….JD$ best deal. As some body already said JD has quick attachments.
The LS MT573 has the electronic shift on the shifter that you liked in the Kubota. It as has a way to adjust the clutch response that you liked on the John Deere. It also allows for the same adjust on the PTO. Everything you liked in the John Deere and the Kubota was there in the LS MT573 AND then some. At a much lower price.
Get a Massey Ferguson 4707 with the Dyna2 transmission. Smooth adjustable power shuttle, 70hp, uses no DEF. Two settings for 540 Pto. Can get in on both sides of the cab. Buttons on fender to raise and lower 3pt arms.
Thanks for the video. In the market for about the same tractors. No LS here, but New Holland Workmaster 75, John Deere 5075E, and Kubota M4D-71 Deluxe. Our JD dealer equips the 5075E with the premium cab, 3rd function on the FEL and two rear unlike yours with the standard cab. The New Holland comes out least expensive, but no 3rd function on the FEL. John Deere comes out best equipped with a price in the middle. Kubota, I expect, will be priced out. Initial quote was 74k and it doesn't have the same features as the 5075E. Leaning green at the moment. We'll see.
LS MT 468 stepped up from a MT 235 after working it for about 40 hrs with the blue ribbon discount did not cost us anything to upgrade love are LS 468 perfect size for just about anything
I liked the MT468. Thatbisbwhat caught my eye at the dealership. The owners have an MT473 and explained the features they liked. They look really similar in size. Ultimately, the frame size, air ride seat, cab visibility and loader capacity pushed it to the MT573 for me. The MT468 is a nice tractor. I have never heard anyone say: "I have way too much HP!"
@@BissellMapleFarm yes the MT 573 is very nice I call my 468 Hercules I have a trail in the woods that he fits nicely with a little wiggle room not much been moving a lot of snow lately enjoy all my shift options and the heated cab is awesome bucker controls are very responsive love zoning out and tuning in to the work ride
Personally I’ve always had such great luck with the kubotas i couldn’t buy something else. I have the M6 141 and it is an awesome tractor. Never had any down time or any issues. Also have an l4701 which is a great tractor and a b2320 which has 2000 hours and never had anything ever done to it. I’ve heard some people around my area with LS having a lot of breakdowns, all under warranty but still is no fun paying for a tractor to be at the shop. One thing i personally don’t like about the John Deere is their quick attach for their bucket isn’t a ssqa, which is a turn off for me personally, other than that i don’t have anything bad to say about JD.
I wish they did a small utility tractor with plenty of horses with a wider stance, my land is steep as and it just feels like one of these would topple over.
You aren't wrong. I have always thought the same. But the rims can be flipped for a wider stance. That I do know. They look tougher with a wider stance, too.
@@BissellMapleFarm Yes I was told you could also add fluid when inflating the tyres, I’d like more horses for getting the most out of a decent mulcher but I doubt this size tractor could keep up tbh.
I’ve had the 5075e Deere and now have the m4 the front tires being so skinny on the Deere with loader work is awful the big tires on the m4 are awesome
I left the farm in 1985, the bank said I was done, which 1 is the easiest for you to work on & which 1 can you get parts & repair for & how long do you have to wait for dealer service, that’s what I’d worry about is getting back in the field when it broke. It’s going to break just how long to get back in the field.
I have a Kubota MX5400DT and really love it. But for $17,000 more than the LS I think I would try the LS. The button electric clutch I don’t need and more to go wrong. Grew up using a clutch and have no problem using one. And I’m going on 77 years old.
Enjoyed your video , I’m also looking to upgrade, we’ve owned Deere brand for 40 years , still using them, I like Kubota but they have out priced themselves good luck with your choice it’s your money
Thank you for making the comparison between the 3 brand... Currently we used Kubota LA1153 and LA524 around our ranch property here in Alice TX... but I'm looking for tractor, loader, back hoe attachment for the Philippines ranch... JD is out of the discussion since there is no dealer in the north island... recently LS came but they are only down south island and if it breaks down parts will be harder to find on the other hand Kubota has been around in the Philippines since 60s and just stone throw across the pond but I'm looking for the best bang for my dollar...we just don't have luxury of ordering parts during down time i.e. online, shipping, and technicians like we do out here in states like developing country...thanks for making this video. God bless
I have a JD, but looking at just these 3 models, I'm thinking the LS is what I'd go with based on this limited information. In part based on price,... to me, the electronic clutch on Kubota does sound nice, but seems like another electronic thing that can go wrong.
Sound strategy, exect electronics are are strong suite for the Japanese, but your not the first to over think a decision and subsequently make the wrong one.. me ? The math is pretty simple and straightforward….Kubota
I’m on a small vegetable farm and some Rowcrop we have about 20 tractors, Kabota’s, Ford, John Deere, and case I H case my Kabota’s never went back to the dealership since new summer 20 years old. I also have good luck with the case I H never head back to the dealership for service . The John Deere’s are the most like driven tractors we have, but I have more service calls with them.
That is interesting. Not surprising though. The Japanese are the standard when it comes to quality and resale. Toyota and Honda prove that. But people do pay more for green paint. And like every corporation that puts dividends over quality.... It's when the bean counters take over. It's a cycle.
Be very careful if you buy a Kubota and intend to keep,it for a long time. I’ve already have them quit supplying 2 parts on my L3650. John Deere won’t do that, they will charge you an arm & a leg, but you’ll be able to get the part! The L3650 is a good tractor, but when I went looking for a new one, I bought a John Deere because of parts availability.
I’m a Massey Ferguson fan of the new tractors I feel they have way more options for your dollar that your spending. The new dyna 2 transmission in the 4700 series makes it way nicer plus they come with more standard compared to Deere Case IH new holland kubota and all the competitors plus they have the really nice trailberg radial tires standard on them too. And we’ve had really good luck out of them the last couple of years
I have bought and sold a lot of Massey 135's. That's my only experience with Massey. The 135 and 165. The Perkins sip fuel and run all day. That 135 wasn't much bigger than an 8N, 2N or 9N... but it was a 45hp diesel. Lots of power on that frame. I don't have a AGCO dealership near me that I know of. Well, Mercer PA has one. I just didn't think about it.
We have a 47 hp new holland that works wonders for us. It is built by LS. Also not knowing how you are set implement wise, jd uses a proprietary quick attach for their buckets not the standard skid steer style. All nice equipment though so I don’t think you can go wrong.
I think all three tractors are good tractors but from my experience and running my tractors 14 hours a day seven days a week for five months I work my equipment hard and I can’t afford breakdowns and if something breaks I have to have it fixed within 24 hours so for me dealer support And parts availability is the most important, I don’t know much about LS? John Deere and Kubota are good tractors I’ve had both my thoughts are John Deere is a heavier tractor I feel more quality in small details and stronger heavier components, but Kabota tractor is still an excellent choice and at least with Kubota you will have parts availability, John Deere I feel is the best for parts availability I can sometimes even get parts at Napa auto parts for John Deere any regards to LS if you have a local dealer close to you and you’re in good with them and there’s parts available quickly that would still maybe be a good option🚜🇺🇸
I had a kubota m4d-071 and was not real happy with the air or hydraulics, have a 5100e deere now it operates much better, the kubota reverser is on or off no adjustment to it, the deere is electric over hydraulic also but uses a Modulating valve to engage the clutch which allows the tractor to start out smoothly and can also be adjusted by the dealer to meet your need if you like it smooth or more aggressive
I would get the . Ls my self most trackor for the money. John Deere would be second. I have rented a kubota backhoe it was under powered way to light and you could not use the brakes to turn the trackor. I don't like sunroofs over time most will leak. Electronic area pain
Nice video. I have the M4 with almost 500hrs and love it. I’ve ran a 5075e also. No experience with the ls. Probably can’t go wrong with any of them but those skinny front tires will be no good lifting anything heavy. Oh and obviously I’d go kubota again for many reasons😅 btw that hydro mx will probably be missed when loading skids. If keeping is an option then may be something to consider. Good luck!
Ls is the best bang for your money hands down I have the same model your are looking at and we have 700 hours on are now and it Ben a good tractor. And you can get a buddy seat for that Ls tractor
I think that you are a Kubota person and will go that way just as I am a JD person but simply on bang for your buck that LS is quite a tractor. We certainly pay for our paint colors.
That would be a tough choice to make. For me, I would shy away from the LS tractor. I am sure they are good tractors, but what if in a few years they just haven’t been able to keep up with the big dogs, John Deere and Kubota? Getting parts and service may not only be problematic. It may not even be possible. For me, it would be a price point issue and I would go with the Deere because of the deluxe cab and the comfort the tractor offers. I would be happy to own any one of the three, but if it were my choice, it would be the Deere.
I have a Land Trac 280 dtc, the original LS, over 20 yrs old and still buying parts, no problems so far. 20 plus years makes me pretty confident. 👍🏻 planning on buying an MT357.
@@staceydyson7929 , after making my comment, I did some more research. Turns out, LS is owned by LG. They are not some fly by night company that will be here today but not tomorrow. They most certainly are a force to be reckoned with. Kubota and John Deere best be watching over their shoulders. LS is offering very deluxe tractors well below the price points of both Deere and Kubota. This will be a game changer in the small tractor market.
The LS is available in a power shuttle like the Kubota. I’m not sure why a dealer would even stock the standard shuttle. There is not a huge price difference. The power shuttle is a much smoother and easy to use transmission.
Cold weather is what I understand. Not sure if that is a thing. But it is what I was told. In colder climates the shower shuttle struggles. I'm just the messenger here.
Like the Deere , however the one door would bother me especially if u ever tipped over I would want out ! And I think they still don’t have the heated windows in cab for snow work , other than that I’d pick the Deere!
We are respectful with the camera and people's privacy. We ask if they would like to be on camera to help with the video. The salesman show us what they know, and we try to remember everything. There's a lot to remember. That's funny, though.
I quite like LS for the features, the color and the price. I also like the color coordinated levers. Orange for movemet, yellow for PTO, green for remotes, blue for 3 point, etc. The Kubota is also nice with the electronic clutch. Deere gets a pass for me with their right to repair hostility.
Did you purchase yet? My 2 sense, seems the kubota dealer is socking it to you, I just had that same tractor qouted to me here in wv at 62k. Ls will always be around 10k less, kubota builds thier own engines, john deere is a 3cyl yanmar, ls is part of a multi tractor brand with parts from all over. Long term I believe the kubota is the better all round tractor and you would never go back from that electric clutch, that is how all your backhoes used to be until they went all power shift. I am also looking hard at ls simply because of cost but they don't offer the financing like kubota 1.99 for 84 Mos. Or 0 for 60. I'd take your ls qoute and make the kubota dealer squeak, it'll work. John deere is very good, I just don't like the yanmar 3cyl. Kubota is 4cyl, works less, last longer. IMO
@Bissell Maple Farm Definitely value with the LS, as long as your happy that's all that matters, I wish it had the buddy seat for my two boys that are up and coming, I'd jump on it, did they have any good financing offers?
So, after viewing all three of your choices, it seems to me for what you’re really looking for and the capabilities I say more to the Kabota tractor because it has all the functions that you’re looking for yes the John Deere is nice but it doesn’t have what you’re looking for in the capabilities of what you’re looking for in the first choice wasn’t really a cab maybe it was I don’t know but I’d say wait for what you need like a Buddha is the best choice in all the functions that you needed to do that’s just an observation on my part and that’s just my Opinion
@@BissellMapleFarm if I’m remembering correctly 50 hp and up is Case/New Holland built. They offer a pretty nice cvt transmission that is very smooth. Worth checking when spending that much money.
The TYM 474 tractor I bought had a couple of issues the HST shifter is almost impossible to shift and when I got the Grapple all the hoses were loose and now I need the tractor for the winter it has a fuel problem, I put the winter anti gel and conditioner in the tank & storage tank before the Winter and now when Full throttle it starts to go down to an idle and almost stalling and the a couple of seconds it goes back up to full throttle all filters and screens were changed and noting was put in the tank otherwise it would had caught by the screen in the fill line . I don’t know what it could be and I can’t get it to a dealer and I’m handicapped with my knee and the dealer up by me giving me a hard time because I didn’t buy the tractor from him ,
