Chopard Alpine Eagle Vs Patek Philippe Nautilus 5711: A Comprehensive Luxury Watch Comparison 

It bothers me that Chopard made an effort to claim that they took extra effort to ensure the screws are aligned symmetrically around the dial. But clearly it's not. Some are better while some are worse (like this example).

@@gyang333 I think you missed the point of what Chopard meant. If you analyse what they’re indicating is they use real screws on the bezel and make a ‘painstaking’ effort to align. Can AP or PP say the same of Royal Oak or Nautilus? No they cannot, so Chopard are already scoring points against ultra high end players in a subliminal way. In fact it’s even better that the screws don’t align the same on every Alpine Eagle watch, so each piece is then unique, and not just another clone. Sounds like a clever bit of marketing on a genuine Swiss masterpiece in my book.

@@gyang333 is anyone else managing this feat? On a model that's roughly same price?

@@shuycg No, but no one else is claiming to do so. I don't know why that's some selling point? I don't care that screws are not aligned (in general).

@@gyang333 it's clear to me that they've tried to align the screw heads. Maybe that's the best the could do. Maybe the machinery used to create those threads inside the bezel are the limiting factor. I think it's cool, I think it's interesting and I would support them if I had the budget.

Yeah, I wish the movement was better. Debating getting it now. I love the steel they used. Looks like white gold. Which color face did you get?

Good report, but why did you have it for only 1 year? If I praised a watch like that it means heirloom material, and my son would be it’s next guardian after I’m gone. Also what did you mean by ‘insanely accurate’ then ‘Could have equipped with better movements like LUC’? Seems contradictory, unless you’re referring to slimness of movement profile or simply with the aesthetics of the view of movement through the sapphire case back.

You said you never got bored of it yet only had it for a year?

@@jeremyeagles3237 He never answered when I asked the same, maybe he lost his job, went broke and had to sell it.

@@Pulsonar yeah possibly. Doesn’t matter to me I just wanted to understand where he is coming from.

Exactly!

Especially the logo. I own the Calatrava and the PP logo looks like something from a Chinese $50 special.

Agreed

Yup, I'm leaning more towards Chopards and Dietrichs now days, that Dietrich SD-1 🍯 🐝 honeycomb is 🔥, especially the tropical green one...Just wish they made the SD-1 in 40 or 41mm, it's a 38.5 mm.

Opinions are not facts. Facts!

Eh, I agree it'd be much nicer to have that better movement, but the metal finishing + that dial is enough for me to take a serious look at this over another sports watch in the same price range

@cittadino di Zamunda Wrong. Although Caliber 240 or 324 are the inferior finished movements among all Patek movements, but they still used to have Geneva Hallmark before Patek went with their own PP Hallmark. This Chopard 01.01-C does not even meet the criteria to have the Geneva Hallmark stamped on it. Even some LUC movements don't meet the Geneva Hallmark criteria. "marvelous finishing" simply not.

​@cittadino di Zamunda Clearly you are just new into horology, learnt something and though you knew everything. You got so many of your facts wrong and you just assumed you are correct, and I don't even know where to start. First of all, I'm lucky enough to own some of these independent brands such as FPJ, Lang & Hayne (not Lange & Hayne), Dufour, Forsay, Parmigiani, Akrivia, Pascal Coyon. I also own some mass produced brands such as Patek, Vacheron, Lange and Breguet. I use my 20x loupe to admire the details on those movements almost every single day. Patek and Vacheron are THE best when it comes to finishing out of all the mass produced brands (all brands producing more than 500 pieces a year, so FPJ, Parmigiani, Lange are all included). Most of those brands you mentioned don't have Geneva Hallmark because they are not located in Geneva, for example, Dufour and Gauthier are in Vallée de Joux, De Bethune is in Vaud, Forsay is in La Chaux de Fonds, Voulaitinen is located in Môtiers. Just in case you did not know it, Geneva Hallmark is only issued to brands that are located in Geneva. FPJ on the other hand, does not meet the criteria of obtaining Geneva Hallmark when it comes to decorative finishing. For example, one of the criteria of Geneva Hallmark is that the tooth of all gear wheels made from stainless-steel must be chamfered and polished, that include the tooth on the barrel gears. Take a close look at your FPJ, the barrels are grained but the tooth are not beveled and polished (to be fair, the current production entry level Patek these days don't even do that, as they moved away from Poincon de Geneve, so they are under no pressure to do those difficult finishings). You said Patek "324 movement are crappish as design itself", and then you also said "In short, if you want a proper Patek you need at least a perpetual calendar", you knew you just discredited yourself because of that. Patek doesn't make integrated perpetual calendar movements, all of Patek's perpetual calendar are modules. 324 S Q perpetual calendar is just a standard 324 movement with a perpetual calendar module slapped on it; the same goes to 240 Q perpetual calendar and 240; and the same goes to 31-260 PS QL perpetual calendar and 31-260 REG QA. If you say 324 movement is crap, then 324 S Q perpetual calendar must also be crap, so you contradicted yourself there. Back to Chopard. Chopard has two manufacture based in Fleurier. One is Chopard Manufacture, which is responsible of movement production for all LUC movements. Non Poincon de Geneve certified LUC will be assembled there as well. However, Poincon de Geneve Certifed LUC will have to be shipped to Geneva workshop for some extra finishing to meet both the location and finishing standard requirement. Then you have the Fleurier Ebauches which is responsible for non-LUC movements production (aka the inferior Chopard movements), the production are more industrial and less hand-finishes are applied, the movement 01.01-C used in this Alpine Eagle comes from there. In short, LUC Poincon de Geneve > LUC non-Poincon de Geneve > Chopard. Patek, even after they became lazy in their finishing department of their entry level pieces, are still better than LUC non-Poincon de Geneve and is certainly better than a non-LUC Chopard. By just looking at some macro shots of the anglage on 01.01-C, immediately you can notice the anglage are not even rounded, they are simply beveled to a 45 degrees angle, and the gear spokes are not beveled and polished. The overall finishing on this 01.01-C movement is not bad, quite good to look at a glance to be honest, but not "marvelous finishing", and it isn't better than a Patek 324.

@@CYC_JP so is this watch good or not? How does this compare to the Royal Oak?

@@CYC_JP What’s your opinion on VC Overseas, 4500v?

Quite a few muggings of PP in London recently

Wait till you see the lucent steel in person. I tried it on before, and thought the dial would be the most attention grabbing thing. But the lucent steel stole the show for me, it's just so much brighter than any of the other SS watches I have.

@@rousseau327 Chopard has a price increase effective tomorrow, I believe. My AD can’t get me the stock at existing price 😢

@@direction_west thanks Leslie! But Cape Town is a little far from Singapore 😆. My AD can get it but there’s a month’s wait and the discount is a lot slimmer now.

Great choice enjoy

Absolutely, the Girard Perregaux Laureato too.

I liked the Polo S ever since it came out - far more so in person than in pictures or videos. The asymmetry of the bezel, polished bezel edge, and crystal, to me, make it much more art-deco themed than nautically themed like the Nautilus. I would like to see Piaget use a screw-down crown. But other than that, I think the Polo S is a highly underrated watch.

@@jumboJetPilot I agree. I think it’s a great watch.

They made a red dial version and it looks like an asshole

@@MrCliteatswood What kind of bleeding assholes are you used to seeing?

@@MrCliteatswood ummm, no. That’s the brown dial version.

The red dial is the best. It's limited edition

I ordered one as well as soon as i got it i will upload first video here so excited :D its such a nice watch!

Let's be glad that the watch isn't in such high demand. If only we humans didn't think so stupidly.

@AM Conquer is a homage created by the same designer still a homage? He kinda gets a pass because Genta designed both watches.

Totally agree!

How have you liked it so far?

@@SunsetSheen its a great watch ! But mine is 36 mm its very flat and still a heavy watch since its made of 18k gold. Its not a everydays watch. But i am very happy with it very high quality piece and the warm bright look in the sun is just amazing! I am going to purchase a steel modell as well but waiting for another dial colour to be released 🙈☺️or tune it with some after market sapphires on the bezel?🙄🙄🤷‍♂️

@@watchmanplain5780 great choice on the 36. I actually like the smaller one much better, both for the size and also the cleaner dial without the date window. Strongly considering the 2 tone but my only apprehension is that the bracelet barely tapers. Do you know the width at the lug, and also what it tapers down to at the clasp?

@@SunsetSheen sadly i dont know the exact sice of the lug to lug. For the tone tone model i can tell u that i personally didnt liked the silver screws on the bezel, made the whole watch unbalanced, but i recommend u to try it on before u buy it. But design wise i would say its a great unisex piece it has a strong male and female site. I am just 30 and wear it with street wear. So i dont think it will make you look too old, so dont worry;) but for sure its an elegant watch.

You can buy Chopard for your whole family if you really like all of them.

Nothing against you personally, but it's really funny to see people say that about the Nautilus, when not even 10 years ago, people didn't vibe with the Nautilus design at all.

They are screws not bolts. It's impossible to line up screws. RO has bolts, Chopard has screws. Although, I agree with you, misaligned screws drive me crazy as well, but we can't do anything about it.

@@nishantprakash5928 they can. It’s not cost effective or feasible though.

@@Innovativeindustries to do that, they are gonna need another batch of screws under side the case, now these screws won't line up. And the bolts on the bezel will line up. If they do that, they will be called out for copying RO. So no brands usually go in that direction of aligning screws

I'd take the Eagle or the Octo. The GP is a baby step down IMO

@@feedthefatrabbit1073 I’m curious as to why you think that regards the GP?

@@feedthefatrabbit1073 The heritage of GP can be a factor too though

@@TheDrewski88 just personal preference from a design standpoint. The GP is the best of the three in terms of heritage, and the movement is outstanding on them. I think all too often we lose why we buy crazy watches in the fist place - for the look, because we like them. Why is Rolex king, for instance? Because ppl are wrapped up in what other ppl think about their watch and public perception in general, when in actuality - nobody *really* cares. That's why the old saying 'buy what u like' is underutilized in today's market. JLC is my favorite brand for this exact reason. They check all my boxes while flying ever so slightly under the radar.

Same reason they’re on the AP

The screws are functional, they lock the bazel, case and case back at once to have better water resistance.

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Actually, historically that is correct. A steel sports watch that is more expensive than a complicated gold watch. That was exactly what GG originally designed and the brands planned to bring to market. For me? If you want to show you have money enough. Please buy something interesting. Impress me not with money, but with taste and consideration