Chris Langan - What Is The Purpose Of The Universe ? - CTMU 

After having a spiritual awakening this year I've realized how on the ball Chris is here. Never understood him till later in my growth journey. Science just isn't ready yet.

Even if you disagree with the man, you have to admit his work is brilliant.

I was raised in the Christian faith. At age 11, my instructors decided I was more trouble than I was worth so they asked my parents to remove me from the school. Everyday, I would ask them questions about what they taught us about God. The questions I asked were not the type they expected or accepted. I was alone in this world, surrounded by adults that seemed to hold onto childlike fantasies of imaginary friends. That feeling never went away. I believe there is a creator of the universe, but I don't imagine he is like the God my parents told me of that exists in organized Christianity. This reality could be simulated by a higher power as some sort of scientific simulation. When you look at the magnitude of clusters of stars in galaxies, and then of galaxies themselves, I can see that they were likely not designed individually. I think the creator has a set of formulas, or algorithms that utilize the elements that we are aware of. Has anyone else lived a similar experience?

Nice to hear a reflection of my own thoughts in a different form.

Thank you for this highly inspirational and positive message. Most great ideas are very simple and just need to be broken down to be understood for people to understood them. I like the way Mr. Langan says "parse things out". This is essentially just very calmly and patiently explaining things to people who perhaps just don't understand larger metaphysical ideas/aren't interested in the realm of deep thought (by dissecting language and breaking things down to understand syntax/sentence structure/word origin/what things REALLY mean). Any detractors from Chris' message don't know what they're talking about (he's said nothing logically wrong/ that could in anyway be construed as offensive). People are basically just jealous/envious of people who are on a higher level (i.e. they want what they don't have). The Universe is definitely designed for Good and people do have a specific theic identity within them. As I've grown/learned to differentiate the voices in my head, I've grown more comfortable in my own skin and become able to distinguish between my inner voices that I hear (ex. Jehovah's voice/ my own speaking voice/ conversating telepathically with others).

So the individual serves as a witness to their own world perspective. Interesting idea, i will have to process the implications further. It also places a much higher emphasis on the importance of faith and who we are within that faith.

This helped a lot to put another puzzle piece together.

Aside from Chris Langan's exceptional ideas I need whoever's running this chanel's playlist. The background music is so calming and soothing

Obviously Langan's perception and articulation are vastly more comprehensive than mine, but I've discussed this subject at fair length in the past as well. One conclusion that I reached was that *We are Nature's consciousness.* By nature, Nature is unconscious, because consciousness is the result of the animating source (God, spirit, soul, etc.) interfacing with the material neural network (brain, spine, nervous system, etc.), in the same way that light is the result of electricity (animating source) interfacing with the bulb's filament (material element). *Consciousness is the light produced by the application of spirit to body.* And so, *Through our eyes Nature takes her first look at herself.* Through our consciousness of Nature, Nature becomes conscious of herself. And she likes what she sees. Much like a female in front of a mirror, our compulsion to explore and discover every aspect of the universe - from the smallest particles to the largest celestial bodies - is her desire to see more of herself.

Life is an intelligence/morality test.

The interactions from the simulation that we are in helps build the realm that we came from.

the meaning of life is literally on youtube. and it has 29k views

The cosmos is within us. We are made of star-stuff. We are a way for the universe to know itself. - Carl Sagan

Using this concept, could you imagine what Heaven would be like? You don't have to be genius to get there. A place full of incredibly sincere and devoted beings.

The God self-evolving concept makes me view history and biographies differently now... I wish you’d do a video on any well documented historical event and breakdown the telic factors that had to occur in order for it to happen.

Basically the message behind the story The Egg

Would love to see Chris converse with Tim Freke- especially to do one of his "What is Life?" Series would be wonderful

Thank you very much for your always informative knowledge and the fact that you share your gift I find quite advantageous for anyone who listens and tries to understand! God bless you and your family my friend

I see the universe as evolving intelligence to the point that organic beings within it can explain how the universe itself came into being, as it is not obvious that the universe would know such information, having being built from "bits" of information incapable of any memory of that primal era of development. A baby left on a doorstep doesn't know his parentage, someone must do the research and tell it. Sentient life is that researcher, and the universe is that baby.

This reminds me of Hebrews Chapter 4, except that there the author gives us more clarity about God’s love and empathy for us.

The universe is in an eternal state of perfecting itself.

Can we get Chris on Joe Rogan ?

What he just described is what he views his own purpose to be, which is to understand everything, and then he proceeded to project his own sense of personal purpose onto what "God wants" the universe's purpose to be. Only problem is that such a projection onto a "God" that doesn't change, ever, is that God wouldn't have any desires one way or another since God doesn't change one way or another. A better description for the purpose of the universe would be that since God is that which never changes and is eternal, then the only thing that God can't do IS change, and so the universe exists to complete the circle and allow for things which do change.

how unfortunate is it that the video of the world's smartest man explaining the meaning of life has its audio obscured by editing

He's right but there's more to it than that. God sees us become selfish in the spiritual world and knows when we want to experience relationships outside of complete knowledge and bliss. Our ignorance is born from being in this body and the challenges we face cannot be overcome or learned unless in this state. Ultimately He is the enjoyer who witnesses these developments and we trick ourselves by being convinced it's all about us. It's our own selfishness which brings us here and the lesson is to reunite with Him through complete understanding, but we remain selfish and the pattern continues. God's playground for His pets. You are living in His Energy. The evolution continues. Limitations occur in the material world but cannot be experienced unless within it. What is your end game ?

May I share this on my social media Chris, so that my friends may hear about this? This has to be spread.

Absolutely fascinating....wow

What comes to my mind. Perhaps,....Perfection cannot exist, without imperfection. God is perfection. For God to exist, we must exist. We are imperfection.

This is very similar to how Alan Watts viewed the cosmos when he said: “Everyone of us is an aperture through which the whole cosmos looks out. It’s as if you had a light covered with a black ball. And in this ball are pinholes. And each pinhole is an aperture through which the light comes out. So in that way everyone of us is actually a pinhole through which the fundamental light - that is existence itself - looks out. Only, the game we are playing is not to know this. To be only that little hole which we call me, my ego, my specific John Jones or whatever. If we can maintain at the same time the sense of being this specific John Jones with his role in life and know also underneath it that we are the whole works… you get a very marvelous and agreeable arrangement. It gives one’s life a great sense of joy and exuberance - if you could carry on these two things at once. In other words, if you know all the theories and predicaments of life is a game.”

The fact that he starts from the position of assuming that the true conception of God must be compatible with all world religions, proves that he is if not disingenuous, then simply looking to unify all religions (a kind of syncretism) for emotional or aesthetic reasons. He is in a sense saying that no one religion is any closer to a ground truth than any other, which is logically impossible if there is such thing as "the truth of the matter". Sounds to me like he's peddling relativism but dressing it up in attractive spiritual language. I've also heard him tell one of his patreons on a call that it's possible to communicate with the dead, which sounds to me like he's coming dangerously close to being a guru of sorts; someone who doesn't have any qualms about just telling people what they want to hear. I know there's more to Langan than what I mentioned above, but to me he's a very mixed bag. No doubt intelligent (as his interview with Steve Patterson demonstrated), but he asserts way too many things without even a shred of evidence, and never concedes that he might be wrong.

While I agree that the most likely explanation of God resides somewhere within a concept of pantheism, where God is a self evident and self explaining, I disagree about the idea of an essential purge for the purpose of God’s evolution. This idea produces a very strange moral dilemma, where the objective morality that undergirds our reality is carried out in a fashion of hit or miss by God that cannot be determined in any given circumstance. For example, a baby that dies from a disease and a murderer put to death are indistinguishable as being a purge from God, which results in the problem of an incompetent God, a malicious God, or a moral system where there’s an equal justification for a baby and murderer dying. This often turns the self evident nature of God into a theological buffet, everything good that happens is God and a miracle, everything bad that happens is not of God. The theory also presupposes that life and death, as concepts, have a terminal meaning, versus merely a redistribution of matter across a system to fall into different patterns. Is it not more likely that the Ego, and therefore the spirit, is simply a particular pattern contained within the larger pattern of the universe? It seems to me that all death really is, is a transitory period of a particular pattern that composes the Ego back into a bunch of other systems, as when you die the only thing that doesn’t truly remain on a fundamental level is the specific pattern, within the specific pattern is all the specific neurological pathways that ultimately define your ego as separate from the external world, all those pieces within that pattern is redistributed out to attach and reform other patterns. This follows the same logic that explains how the death of stars lead to the red color in our blood, the death of the star wasn’t a terminal end to the star but instead a transitory period of the star to continue on as the iron in our blood that gives blood it’s red color. My idea of where exactly moral system arise actually comes from a simpler predictive pattern that was created by God, or the collective self with the birth of the Universe, this idea allows from free will, as conscious beings can deviate from the predictive pattern. This also allows for an emerging objective morality, as the moral system is evolving and transitioning over time but at any given time is reflected in a particular pattern, so there cannot exist a true and eternal doctrine of moral values because the system itself is changing over time and requires the conscious beings within the system to intuitively deduce that pattern at any given moment and pay very close attention to the system to discover the essential will or predictive pattern of morality that lies below reality. This theory in accordance with contemporary scientific theories about the infinite space and time theories of the universe would produce a result where each Ego would essentially reform, as well as existing as all other things at some point within the cycle of the universe. This would mean any existential fear of death you have isn’t really warranted, as you’ve already died and been born an infinite amount of times as all things in all places at all times, so if you are akin to the life you currently live, do not fear, when you close your eyes for the last time, you will also open them again for the first.

Christopher Langan. I asked God the question (and i really meant it) As a devout practising atheist. I wouldn't be lying if I said. You better be strong and ready for "that" kind of answer. Now I have no doubt.

Thanks for posting

Interesting!

So basically he's saying God isn't yet perfect, but seems to be in the pursuit of perfection. but whats it all for? And what happens when he's fully purged all the unwanted parts of himself?

Yooo -- this sensor thing -- if I'm understanding correctly it's basically that God is using humans as a lens with which to view Himself (in order to make judgements on what part to keep) -- it made me think of the idea prevalent in many teachings like Buddhism and Christianity that tells you not to develop preference/not to judge. It would make sense that this would be so that you can have a clean/unbiased perspective that God could more effectively use. Is that kinda the thinking? Just discovered CTMU and it seems like it could be approaching truth!

Does anyone know where I can get a hard copy of CTMU book?

"What is the purpose of the universe". . . .Starts with a Budweiser Commercial

Just proves a high IQ doesn’t mean you can’t get a big topic totally wrong. His ideas are founded in nothing.

Yes

What is the purpose of Marvel universe?

We all fall short of the Glory of God, that is why Christ was sent to reconcile us with God

I hope you see my comment - you said before God is Perfect - why does he "need" things then? Like why does He need to evolve? Does it not contradict the idea He is Self Sufficient, Omni Omni? I so much hope to get clear view on thisssss

I felt the God we can get God if we trust him he is a superior power

Makes me think of neural networks

"There would be no purpose whatsoever without them" always keeps me up at night. What is Chris saying...that everything has to have a purpose because otherwise it wouldn't be here? I get it and I know Chris knows but is it possible that aspects of Gods "purpose" are hidden to Chris-- on our level?

Its so damn interesting.

God does not "evolve" Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever. Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow due to change. God does not change!

If you sign up for patreon and do ate at least $10 you can come to his 2019 conference!

What is Langan's view on the concept of redemption and salvation? Does he view Christ as the Bible describes - the word made flesh and his life and death being a sacrifice for the sins of humanity, one in which God's demands in the moral realm are met? If so, then through some union with Christ, can God manifest a real change in a sensors actions that would otherwise not occur by that sensors own unconnected (in the sense of being outside of this salvation in Christ) free will?

How would you cure cancer? Just wondering, thanks

Nonsense. There is no separation between god and sensor. God is certainly not gender specific and it's not trying to figure itself out. God is simply the act of creation. Period. God has no other moral than to exist.

I'd love to see langan do a Bible study.

where do you get these?

In other words, the ultimate "censor", through which God can express Himself to lesser censors, is Jesus of Nazareth, Who is God in the flesh. We as the "censors" exhibited a malfunction at some point ages ago in what is referred to as the "Garden of Eden"; the central and beginning location of God's censors. When the malfunction occurred, a solution was needed, but it was only a solution that God Himself could offer. Jesus lived on the proper frequency, the way a man is supposed to live, with no deviation whatsoever on that frequency. He was murdered and took upon Himself the due penalty for not being inline with the frequency required to be perfect as God is. What happened was that reality short circuited when Christ died and rose, defeating death (the total shutdown of censors). Death is a side effect of not living on a proper frequency which is the frequency that God intended us to live on. Now, since death has been destroyed by God Himself on the cross, we the "censors" can freely choose to accept Christ's sacrifice as our sacrifice in order that we may be restored to our proper frequency after our earthly death. Those who fail to receive Christ's forgiveness are then discarded upon their death. The side effects of this are coming into direct contact with God Himself having lived in opposition to Him, therefore, that censor's systems, molecules; their entire being is expanding and shrinking all at the same; they are being continuously destroyed constantly at an accelerated rate all while still existing in some abstract form enough to being able to experience this fully. This is the lake of fire and the 2nd death. The hope here is that whoever calls upon the name of the Lord Jesus will be saved. If you want God to save you, turn from your sin and ask Him and he will save you. It is that simple. For God so loved the world, that He gave His one and only Son that whoever believes in Him will not perish, but have everlasting life.

makes sense

What criteria does God use to determine who will be antithetical?

So we're being used by god for his personal fulfillment...?

God is the consciousness of the universe!

Power tripping pirate

So, when There is nothing more for God to see through my eyes, that is the end of life for me?

Wish he talked living in a simulation like tyson an musk said

The universe is YAHUAH's creation ,his testament to all life .HalleluYAH, amein.

Did god really put us individually here or was it just change trow of a dice or maby it was bit of both do ve really have some purpose here individual bases

What was the purpose of Jesus' sacrifice according to CTMU?

It's about time we remove the "awe" aspect which makes us subjugates of god but instead replace awe with affinity - we don't want distance, we want closeness ...

Such bullshit. What about the still born baby what was his test?

Why Is God a Tautology ? I would like to better understand this aspect I am very grateful to you!Is there a relationship between Wilber’s integral transpersonal vision and the CTMU?

Why isn't he in Davos?..... The world needs to change.... And it WILL.

So, we are the only ones in the universe.

Where exactly is he getting this information from? He is telling you what God is doing and what he wants? How does he know any of that? And how is this any different from the typical Christian prosletyzing or apologetics? I'm genuinely curious.

How does God evolve, if he is almighty, perfect and transcends time ?

A lot of what Langan is talking about is ripped straight from the Hindu Upanishads which were written millennia ago. This "invariant universal distributive force" he's talking about is a one-to-one parallel with the Brahman, or any of its ironically variant referents like Narayana, Parabrahman, Ishvara, etc. that all connote the same primordial indivisible and changeless substratum of existence. Even the individual perceiver that he's talking about is identical with the concept of the Atman, or the Jiva, commonly understood as the formless, bodiless "witness" within each living mind that is subject to individual cognition, self-reflection, and the effect of external senses being relayed to it by the gross and subtle bodies, and that is ultimately subject to dissolution in, and unification with, the Paramatman/Purusha/Brahman/universal soul upon the realization of its own nature as not actually distinct or differentiated from anything else in the perceivable world, but rather that it is in fact one with each other individual which are all in turn together unified with the universal cosmic Self. I'm fully willing to believe that Langan came up with these ideas on his own, but they're nothing new, and to be clear, these ideas fall squarely within the realm of speculative philosophy, and are in no way related to hard empirical science.

what about people who don`t believe in God, what is the purpose of the universe for those people?

Nice

there is no need to personalize this idea, even if most people can't but do it. Why would one assume that "god" has any of ouer characteristics? Do we consist of smaller parts of ourselves or do we consist of cells? You can call it will, or the universe or god. Many philosophers have had this idea, the diffrence they make are between those who view this as a positive (being slaves to the will) or pessimist (rejecting will). I personally would reject it. But most people accept, or love it. Very similar to how this idea carries over to the rest of their lives, they want to be part of something bigger, and in that hope, they fall pray to anything.

Hence, If a tree falls in the woods, does it make a sound? No, if it's not preceived. (I.e. no sensor of God present).

Except other life forms don't possess the intelligence to make moral decisions on the same level as humans, or for that matter, at all. And humans evolved from other animals and are animals themselves. So the overwhelming amount of life forms on the planet that are not human and do not have the level of memory or capacity for reflection as humans do discredit this theory. Unless you are going to take it into the idea of reincarnation, where life forms are slowly working their way up to the point of human beings based on the capacity for moral decisions assuming free will exists, and plants discredit that. I would love to find strong evidence alternatives to the neuroscientific evidence of permanent unconsciousness via brain destruction, which goes along with terror management theory-- which goes along the survival drive as the primary drive of action in human beings and goes along with evolutionary psychology theory, which I think is important enough that it will eventually become part of mainstream psychology. We are incapable of comprehending dreamless sleep and incapable of comprehending the time before we were born, so if death permanently mirrors these states like most skeptics or atheists attest to, it is also perpetually beyond our comprehension regardless of our intelligence. Its worth comprehending this and anything else with probability, even if you hate it, dark thought experiments are risky but are also potential sources of massive personal growth.. at least while one is alive. I try to acknowledge the possibility of probability regardless of the emotional burden, but with that said, I am grateful that I don't know everything for the exact same reason and I think that mystery and study helps one cope with dark probabilities.

How does this dude know any of this?

in the image of god therefore any imperfection comes from within and not from the source.

high IQ does not save you from being a charlatan. It might even make you more susceptible to it.

What is the conspance model

As stated in Billy Madison, "At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

Simple Answer: No.

"Reality is the self-identification of god, specifically identifying which parts he wants to keep and which parts he doesn't want to keep." This means that the origin of the cosmos and life is a one-time event, otherwise god is apparently forgetful. I don't say this to be funny, find the reasoning and conclusion strange.

yes ray

I dunno dude I still think if god is all powerful and all knowing he wouldn’t have problems

An anyone tell where are the images from?

One word - Omnicyclion.

So what is Hell? I’ve always struggled with that the concept that a loving God would condemn us for eternity.

Emotions feelings ways to communicate with God. Without actually seeing him. Brain is your source now emotions are feeling led to do you’re abilities in this world to decide right from wrong. All the arrows point to God. But there is only a true path he came to save man sin’s JESUS CHRIST. Jesus came for sinners not for the righteous so. Jesus is for the people to change in human behavior still understand God is testing mankind. Agree with you on that

Why is God against globalism?

Id say it must be a paradox like everything. From one perspective god is complete, but since variation is infinite them it never reaches completion in another sense. I am now smarter tham chris. Someone please give me the crown lol

There was a book printed in 2001 that says all this. Idk when this guy came out with this but someone else already talked about this in extreme detail. “Masters of Shamballa” by Schuster.

And if you think, You’ll find your Way to god After your death, Why Wouldnt you end it Even earlier to reach him faster. Theories Are theories for a reason. Logically incontrovertible or just poetically Utopic.. it doesn’t matter, when the own hypocrisy or the fear of non-compliance for the theory and therefore the Personal dichotomy stands in the way..

How can God evolve if he isn't subject to change? If he is subject to change then he isn't a single identity. If there is a permanent part and a changing part, how do they join? Impossible. Langs God suffers the same flaws as the ancient Hindu's. Rejecting nihilistic physicalism, AND eternalistic theism, find rest in ultimate reality beyond all conceptual elaboration, indistinquishable from the nature of your own mind, luminous emptiness which very essence is compassion.

Isn't god selfless and unbiased, therefore loves unconditionally? Otherwise it wouldn't be god.

The purpose of the CTMU is to give you a headache. It's a nice metaphysical idea and has a lot of philosophical value, but the theory has no scientific value, as it's not testable.

The universe exists unto itself and we are of it. I do not "believe", as Chris does, in a personification of his God. I am convinced that by our own personal perceptions and motivations we make each of our lives what we are. Our actions, environments and situations, both physical and mental, determine what what we perceive as what the universe is. But if some of us want to assign that purpose to a personified God we, of course, can. I simply think Chris's view is highly limited and restrictive, much as in an organized religion.

Is that J Lo at the end? =p