wentz has never been good lmao. bro only had 1 season with BARELY more than 4k yards. the superbowl they won was on foles. wentz is on par with alex smith. just look at stats man. oh yea, and the 2017-18 eagles had the best defense in the league, had 2 top 10 Rbs, ridiculous receiving core, plus a top 3 oline. wentz only managed 3,300 yards. wentz is mid.
It’s terrible. Carson Wentz legitimately looked like the next great QB in the NFL. The man threw the ball on the money every time and had great mobility. What I see now is just shocking
He threw for 4,000 yards once in his career in 2019. He had a very good year the year he got hurt but his throwing motion led to high passes on occasion which lead to INT often. He had very little if any chance to be in same class as say Mahomes, Rodgers, Brady, Burrow. Maybe he could have been fringe top 10 but his fragile ego and his injury history says he never hits top status as he is about to be cut by Commanders
More the shitty fanbase and ownership of Oakland over anything else. Carr is above average. Playing for the Raiders and some his performances have made him a meme. I used to call him Honda to my ex girlfriend who was a raiders fan. ( Should’ve been the only red flag I needed) Gonna be hilarious when he looks good in NO.
That's actually false. In 2018 Wentz was on pace for like 32 TDs if you just average out his stats before injury. That means he came back the same. And on top of that, he had a practice squad around him in 2019 and still threw over 4,000 yards and 27 TDs which is more than Brett Favre's career average lol. But Favre did it with good players around him, not a practice squad. After that record-breaking season, Howie drafted a QB instead of getting help for Wentz. Then Wentz was a top 10 QB in Indy with only Pittman to throw to. Then in 2022 Wentz was named a team captain and was top 5 in both passing yards and passing TDs thru the 1st 5 games before breaking his finger in game 6. Wentz really didn't have much of a drop off. His teams were either just garbage after 2017, or his other injuries prevented him from finishing seasons. That's basically it
If you look at statistics, it doesn't tell the whole truth. Wentz was more confident utilizing his legs before injury. He had seem to lose confidence and made more bone-headed plays after injury. You're absolutely right about the practice squad Wr's. I still remember the names of Travis Fulgam and Greg Ward. The offensive line was also in bad shape so wentz had to deal with that too. I think a combination of Foles statue, Hurts being drafted, and injuries played a role in Wentz play on the field. Before the ACL tore, Wentz was top 5 in my opinion. Wentz still could ball after the injury but I think he loss some athleticism or confidence to run as much which led too more sacks and him second guessing his reads..... I got Love for Wentz though. I always wish that man well and appreciative of his contributions to Eagles winning the Bowl in 17'
@seanpeacejohn889 That's partially true but not fully. You're right that stats don't always show the full story, and in this case they don't show just how good Wentz was even after injury. I personally tore all 4 ligaments in my foot playing pick-up basketball years ago. It took like 8 months to heal and then another 4-5 to months before I trusted myself to run and cut on my foot again. There's a mental trauma that needs to heal and it's different for everyone. Next, Wentz didn't lose confidence as he still ran, just not as much. Instead, he made a business decision to not put himself back in harms way. If you look at Wentz after injury, he was on pace for 32 TDs in 2018 AFTER the ACL but before his 2018 injury. He was still good. In 2019 he took that practice squad to the playoffs. In 2021 Wentz was a top 10 QB despite missing his #1 WR for 9 games and his #3 WR for 5 games. In 2022 Wentz was top 5 in both passing yards and passing TDs before he broke his finger in game 6. So I'm not seeing where Wentz had confidence issues. If you compare Wentz's bone head plays to other QBs, we would see that Wentz actually has way fewer of them, but they get spotlighted much more. When was the last time that the media told you Brett Favre AVERAGED like 16 INTs per season thru his entire career? Never. And Wentz never threw 16 INTs in any season yet. When was the last time the media told you that Peyton Manning AVERAGED 20 INTs thru his first 5 seasons while averaging fewer TDs than a healthy Carson Wentz? Never. Why? Because the media loves to hate Wentz more. Now let's look at the situations Wentz had around him... 2017 he had a worse team that the 2022 and 2023 Philly teams and he played better than Hurts. In 2018 Wentz had injuries to some of his offensive players and he was still on pace for 32 TDs before injury. In 2019 we already knew he had a practice squad and still posted the 11th best QB season In 2020 he had the same practice squad but he wanted out of Philly because his GM drafted a QB in the same year that Wentz posted 27 TDs and only 7 INTs and made the playoffs with a practice squad. In 2021 Wentz was missing TY Hiltom for 9 games and his #3 WR for 5 games and Quinton Nelson for like 5 games I think too. All he had was Taylor (who took reps away from Wentz) and Pittman. That's about it. And Wentz STILL posted top 10 stats. Then in 2022 Wentz was top 5 in both passing yards and and TDs thru game 5 despite having the worst offensive line in the NFL. I believe Wentz was sacked as much as Shedeur Sanders...let that sink in. So looking at the situations, Wentz has always been good. He has just always had a bad situation around him after like 2017 or 2018
I say the same for Jimmy G before his injury he would run around make improvised plays and looked incredible. Ever since that injury he changed his style
This is what I tell people all the time. I'm a Skins fan and I said the same thing about RG3. Injuries can change you forever. Pre injury RG3 was an unstoppable, dominant player. People say that he wasn't a pure pocket passer and it showed because he was garbage when he couldn't run but that's not true. I challenge anyone to watching pre injury RG3 throw as a rookie before the injury. He was having Brady, Brees type of accuracy that year. Literally every throw was on the money, in perfect stride, in the perfect spot, and a bullet. When he came back from injury, a guy could be wide open and every time they would have to jump for it, dive for it, etc. His whole mechanics were off and accuracy went down 80%. It had nothing to do with reading defenses and being a pocket passer. He just couldn't even throw anymore after that injury
How dare you compare Carson to RG3. Carson still playing at a high level. RG3 could never be a pocket passer. F*ck this dude. How you know he and Carson weren't at odds. He definitely doesn't sound like his friend. I've heard otherwise from other players
I'm an Eagles fan and I always compare the Wentz injury to the RG3 injury.. Same exact injury, only the Redskins rushed RG3 back for playoffs and COMPLETELY ruined what should've been a HOF career
You're right except anyone who understands football knew RG3 was gonna get hurt. The NFL still doesn't want to accept it, but it's a fact. Tua gone, Fields gone next year ect ect.
eagles fan here, seeing him before and after the injury hurt so badly. a lot of people were saying he was a future HoF guy, and if he kept it up he for sure would of been. nick foles may have finished it, but without carson we never get to that game. actually, the first jersey i ever had was his. i hope he can turn it around, or worst comes to worst, retire and live a good life, as he definitely has the money for it. maybe become an analyst or coach. i’ll always remember him by that 2017 year
I'm and Eagles fan from North Dakota since the 90's, so I'm biased, but he's one of my favorite players, and I hope he can return to his 2017 self, even if it's with another team.
Yeah, money-wise there might not be a difference, but having a Superbowl ring when never playing a single snap is different than winning it when you're playing.
Yeah he been through a lot man. I never blame wentz. I just feel bad for him. But he’s got my support as a human being, one who is going through some real shit with his body and mind trying to stay healthy enough to play the sport he’s worked so hard at for so long. He was the fing MVP candidate. It had to be very tough
💯💯 word ✊🏾🤔 Chris! It’s like his pocket awareness and ability to extend plays that he had in 17 never came back. It’s like he gets frozen by the rush now
Very accurate explanation. Carson was a big dude who wasn't afraid to get hit. His likeability issues aside, had Carson had a less aggressive style, he would have had a longer, more productive career. A sad story indeed.
Its slightly edited. Chris Long has been very open about Carson's personality on other podcasts. Specifically that he wasn't available as a teammate, stubborn, etc, but that him and Malcolm Jenkins never thought he was an a-hole. He briefly touches on it (without getting back into it) and that's what they edit out
Even Sproles said stuff like that. He was just withdrawn and quiet. Angry that he couldn’t help the team and they won without him but Sproles said “yo it’s ok. Be happy your team won” and Wentz opened up after that.
I agree. I thought that the mobile QB thing was starting to wane a bit when they were all getting hurt. Seems like the league still wants it. We've got two hurt QBs playing in the SB.
I don’t know about Nick running the offense better.. Wentz was going crazy before the injury. I’ll always root for Wentz but I don’t think he’ll ever be the same again. It was the perfect storm of bad events on top of poor team management from Howie while he was here. Hope he can find that success again before he hangs it up.
Wentz was so fast and mobile that MVP year..... He is so slow now... That is the issue... When he was mobile he was more of a threat to the opposing defense...
as an eagles fan i’ve always been a fan of wentz and will defend him all the time, people forget that he was the lock for mvp before that injury and he stayed in to throw a td the play after he tore his acl in a game that gave us the division title, 2 years later he led the eagles to a division title while becoming the first player in history to throw for 4,000 yards without a wr going over 500, he was special but this injury on top of the ones he sustained later changed him as a player
It's not a swipe at you but the phrase analysts spawned, "stay healthy," is an odd concept because he doesn't fall Ill from bad lifestyle or get sick he got injured when other men were out to cause him harm. I hear them say so and so can't stay healthy then compare to a player who has never suffered a big injury which is nothing but a false equivalent
@@michaelbiniakewitz2329 there’s definitely a big part that is out of the players control, but some players do in fact have durability issues. Whether it’s genetics, play style, lack of proper nutrition and preparation, or just bad luck, it’s a factor in scouting players.
10000000000000% man came back completely different. Man was playing like he was fighting for his career and we didn’t know it. The hero ball shit was him trying to regain his form before the injury and it never happened. Carson probably playing with a broken heart now. 😔
I can't remember, but it was a big deal in the locker room. I think he was playing the blaming game and they said he was uncoachable. Plus they were having to baby him and cater to him towards the end since he wound up getting paid. But once you lose the locker room as a quarterback, it's over. I'd say the same for Russell Wilson too, until they recently hired Sean Peyton, one of the only guys that might be able to dig Russell out of his hole.
Based off what I've gathered. He felt insecure about Foles starting while he was out and Sproles checked him telling him he wasn't bigger than the team. He wouldn't communicate much with the defense players. He stopped listening to coaches at times and did what he wanted.
It was reported that he wasn’t running the plays he was asked to either. Lots of little things that point to him having too high an opinion of himself.
Just look at Derick Rose before his injury and after. Completely different. Wentz just got all his mobility taken away then tried to rush back when he should have never played in 2018. Feel bad for the guy
He was scapegoated. Took them to the #1 seed got injured. Next year took a team of practice squad members to another playoff game. Universally hated. Should’ve stayed a bird. We would’ve had a dynasty.
He has to learn like 3 or 4 playbooks and new WR timing every years now. No way someone is going to be successful. I get it, a lot problems is his but not all of it
Wentz was a killer in 17. Looked like the next great qb had arrived. Same thing with RG3 when he got hurt. SLIDE. Just slide. Always and every time. Don’t even run if you’re not gonna slide. From a Cowboy fan.
I 100% agree. I’ve been watching the eagles my whole sports watching life and Carson was just as special as Randall was. The injury flatlined his career and it was sad to see.
Carson Wentz goes around to community churches with his food trucks and gives away free food to anyone who comes by. He did this here in Indianapolis. Met him & he seemed like a genuinely good dude. Things didn't work out here but i wish him the best.
As a lifelong Eagles fan, I will say he was going to be the next great one PHYSICALLY but MENTALLY he was leagues behind, rendering whatever greatness he had a moot point. He wouldn’t listen to coaches and thought he had everything figured out.. he can claim he’s a real Christian but a real Christian wouldn’t let EGO dictate his future
Yea, I think his brain is not right. Sometimes it takes just one hit. You should check out the documentary about the Swedish kicker in that got a head injury during a game. His wife said he died the day he got injured. Because he was a completely different person afterwards. He even couldn’t be with his children, they lost their dad as well. The brain is a sensitive thing. Tough to be a football player. It can one hit or multiple impacts over years, but the brain will be damaged one way or another, with different effects. You can already see those who have been in the league for a while, their memory is usually not where it should be for their age.
I knew the moment it happened, he would never be the same. Just devastating..he was the best player in the league that year and they don't win the superbowl without him.
@@soar011belize And they were wrong. The team around Wentz was way better - hence why Foles took over & played EVEN BETTER in the playoffs. Brady was far more valuable for his team.
@@DontDrinkthatstuff i agree with you im just stating what I remember about that year Wentz was leading in touchdowns and all the sports analysts had him leading the mvp race
@@DontDrinkthatstuff He actually was and it's not particularly close.. It took Brady the last game of the year to surpass Wentz in TD passes. Wentz wins the MVP easily had he not gone down in the first week of December.
Carson Wentz in 2017 was a beast. He was making Mahomes plays on the regular. Im not an Eagles fan but I saw Wentz once get hit and fall down and as he was an inch from hitting the ground he launched the ball 65 yards it was insane.
@@jacklarue7049yep. Had the Roethlisberger endurance to take a hit while staying completely locked on target like a Mahomes. He was a human highlight reel
There are a lot of story’s like this where people get injured in the nfl and lose there job every week. People hear story’s like AP and Payton manning and think all athletes have some Wolverine type of healing factor( shout out rus).
Dr. Jordan Petersons talks about the lobster theory, and i think this is where it applies. And injury can basically shrivel up a man’s confidence, which then effects his performance. I think this one of those cases
He rushed back in 2018 cause he saw Foles taking over the team. Beat the falcons opening night with Foles as defending champ. But as soon as they lost week 2 to the Bucs it gave them the reason to go back to Carson. That was a tough season which Foles had to save to get us into the playoffs again
Sadly the same as RG3, and a plethora of other players. They were dynamic, then got hurt. The counterpoint is, its why guys like Jimmy G will have long careers. He's been hurt a lot, but he doesn't use his legs much, and gets rid of the ball pretty quick.
I can’t think of a QB that had a devastating lower body injury came back and was “that dude” Wentz, Bridgewater, Alex Smith, RGIII as soon I heard ACL I remover thinking “that it he’s done”
He came back for his own selfish reasons in 2018, don’t ascribe noble notions to a dude who was jealous at his teammates success to the point sproles went at him, tell that part Chris. “That injury” ….whatever He was terrible at decision making and exhibited poor leadership ,his brain is in his knee? Those 13 games in 2017 need to be viewed as fluky for him, he missed 8 games his senior year in college, in the NFL got hurt his 2nd (knee), 3rd (back fracture), 4th (playoff concussion). 2/3 of a year isn’t evidence of destined greatness.
All these fans say he hasn’t been the same since like he didn’t CARRY a team with the WORST receivers I have ever seen to the playoffs in 2019. His best WR by the end of the year was Greg Ward and he DRAGGED them through the cowboys and Washington to win the division.
Is the problem when other injuries arise when you are rehabbing the first injury from coming back to quick? Are these players being pushed to perform to soon ..?My example was Kobe Bryant and his Achilles tendon came back quick ,then his knee started being a problem ..I'm wondering.
The game got to get back to its roots. Surviving Wasn't supposed to be part of it. Surviving it was a attribute like speed.. F*** the concussions. We need full go football. Glory has a Consequence. Getting hurt and having prolonged effects is part of the game.
We to was the MVP front runner so it’s sad to see what happened. Also Andrew Luck, RG3, Josh Freeman as well their bodies just did not hold up and it’s fun to think what the NFL would have been like with those guys.
He became technically unsound after the injury which is very weird because…technique should be technique through injury…Carson just never got better guys that’s all lmao 😂
Hey Chris, did you see Wentz beat the 49ers again. Chris, tell us about the negative things about Carson. I have yet to see a player or coach say something negative about Carson's personality?!?!?
Yall fail to realize he had 28 touchdowns and 8 picks with Indy with an O line that couldn't pass block and one legit weapon in Michael Pitman Jr. The next year they get matty Ice and they're terrible, with Carson they missed thr playoffs by one game. With the comanders they had a horrible O line due to injuries yet still called deeps passes all game long while he was getting clobbered. If he had the prefect situation with all thr pieces around him I still think he can wing it. Not like he use to though.
It really is weird that people call Wentz trash now, or some people like Joy Taylor saying she “never saw anything in him,” when he was a beast. Like he was tearing it up and then had an injury we all agree fundamentally alters a player, not just a QB’s, ability forever, and then we pretend this man was never good, pretend this man’s play to get them to 11-2 after he left the game but he gave them the lead wasn’t what got them home field in the playoffs that year and the #1 seed, because he was nasty that *second* year. Only second year and was tearing it up. Bullshit.
What were the problems with his personality? Other than the fact that he likes to hunt. 😄 He was a country boy. I guess he was a Christian. He said no to the 💉. Hmm…. I get how some of that or all of it can rub people and organizations…corporations…the wrong way. What else though? There is probably something else and I have wondered what it is. I think he could have been less hard on his self. The guy was good at beating his self up after every failure. Who knows. People said he was a poor leader and wasn’t good at rallying the team. It almost looked like he was extending plays and making things happen on his own previous to his injury. He kind of was thrown into the fire as a starter as well. He seems like a guy that could have really benefited from 2 years on the bench like Aaron Rogers had. Get some of that tough guy stuff out of him so he could also play smarter. Maybe he just didn’t know how to put his self first. Who knows.
Honestly I think the clowney dirty hit was the end. In 2019 Carson took a banged up Eagles team to the playoffs and clowney hit him helmet to helmet and late. No flag, no fine, nothing.
I saw Wentz take some crazy hits, juke people, etc he was insane in 2017. When he was on, he was on. There was a heated debate between him and Dak when they were both rookies, but by midseason 2017 the debate was over, and tbh if he hadnt got injured he'd be a top 5 QB easy
Fair enough yea. I do feel some sympathy for Wentz. He hasn't been treated very well the past few years, but I don't know the guy maybe he's just terrible to be around. Very hard to tell from the outside. I can only feel so bad for someone who's being paid tens of millions of dollars but yea Wentzs timeline is depressing outside of the money
Playing QB is still dangerous as hell. Big fukers tryin to kill you, ESPECIALLY when you scramble/run like Wentz did on that play. It definitely fuked his career
Chris injuries change the functions of the working man too. But we perform are profession without getting fired. Silver spoon man preaching to the choir.
He's never been a good teammate. He wasn't accurate even in the season he balled out. He played a hell of a season but he threw to two receivers Ertz and sometimes someone else. That's why Nick had success. Alshon was like Damn I'm getting balls now. This is like the only good thing an ex player has said about him and this wasn't even that great a compliment.
Yeah its sad 3 qbs that were never remotely the same after they got injured are Wentz, RG3 and Carr all three were having mvp type seasons and then one injury and boom they didn’t feel invincible anymore
I sat in the cold and watched the eagles lose week 17 at home to Dallas 0-7 foles played 5 minutes and threw an int. He didn’t play well until nfc championship game and the defense scored as many points as the Vikings. Foles is a hero but wentz is a martyr
I tore all 4 ligaments in my ankle playing basketball. It took me like 8 months to heal physically. And then another 4 months to work past the mental trauma just to trust it enough to cut on my ankle again while running. The mental healing is harder than the physical healing. But Wentz came back pretty solid for what happened to him
Carson had too much ego and as a result he makes too many mistakes. Maybe the injuries robbed him of the ability to throw a strike instead of an interception. However, he hasn't adjusted his game because he still thinks he is the guy.
Went from a potential MVP winner that season to never reaching those heights ever again he was so fun to watch that one season though sucks most fans have peanut brains and never played a sport growing up and don’t understand injuries let alone injuries when you’re at the professional level 😂😂😂 like a roller ankle in high school is nothing you should still ball out but if you’re in the nfl or something like that I can see a bum ankle really making a difference when everyone around you is as good if not better than you
He had not even a full season of looking like an MVP, and that same season Foles came in and balled out in that system also. I never bought into Wentz very much.
I do believe this I thought Joe Burrow was never going to be the same the first half of his season coming back from his knee then as it went along you can tell he recovered it he was still good don't get wrong but 75-80% of what he is now
What are people saying about his personality this isn't the first teammate that I've seen say that what people are saying about him is true but nobody ever goes in-depth about what the accusations are.
I remember watching him and Goff few years in college before they got drafted and man they were both warriors deep balls abd dropping dimes, even tho he was drafted by the eagles I rooted for him, like Goff, in college and few years thru the league. I feel for wentz
