Rymer is amazing and with hindsight it didn't really hurt 'em much but Pennie was just perfect for this band. Most of their best work was easily with him-- and the line-up with Puciato, Weinman, Benoit, and Wilson was by far the best most chaotic band to see live. Never experienced anything like em since then. If DEP ever had a god though, it was definitely Mike Patton (unofficially)
You know, of all the drummers in all the bands I adore... He could be my most loved and most missed. Everything about his style: So calculated and precise, mechanical (almost robotic), technical.. He's absolutely amazing. Nothing will ever showcase his skill like the bad bitch that is The Dillinger Escape Plan. Miss Machine Lives On!
chris is like a jedi master of drumming. he doesnt even break a sweat, just chills out and chews gum while playing intricate syncopated 7/16 patterns at like 180bpm or something. its ridiculous.
Could anyone else, besides Chris pennie, actually play this?! I love the way the songs starts. It just completely takes off from the beginning and the intensity never ends. amazing. What a man!
It's controlled chaos, and if you "listen", it's actually a quite jazzy beat, AND the song is awesome. Just because you don't like their music doesn't mean they're any less of musical geniuses.
Why do the big four still get the mainstream credit that all the other forms of metal have perfected upon since? They gave the blueprint and bands like Meshuggah, Converge, Botch, Dillinger Escape Plan, Sikth, and HORSE THE BAND reworked it to make amazing music and push metal forward
I watch this video everyday... I get enthralled and need to decode his style. Pennie destroys and his energy is hard to match outside the realm of deathmetal. I love this stuff
See I always loved Miss Machine. It;s so technical yet accessible. I hope they're new album lives up to what I'm expecting. I mean I miss Chris like anyone else, but Billy Rhymer seems to be filling in nicely.
Amazing! I can watch this over and over and still be enthralled. Dillinger Escape Plan should have a DVD extra at some point where you can watch the guitar, bass and drum parts seperately.
Iistening to Calculating Infinity and Miss Machine just makes me miss Chris Pennie even more. Gil Sharone was decent, and Billy Rymer is okay but nobody will beat Chris.
Revisited this gem from old RU-vid just to study this song, given the chance that I'll cover this in the future. It's quite funny that his single pedal blast beats starting at 1:47 AREN'T the usual hammer blasts (cymbal+snare+bass drum hitting simultaneously at 8th notes); but they're very fast inverted skank beats (cymbal+snare drum hitting simultaneously at 8th notes BUT the bass drum alternating between them at the 16th note spaces, giving the sonic illusion of straight 16th's with the bass drum). Blake Richardson of BTBAM does that since Alaska and Matt Grenier of ABR also does start starting from Rescue & Restore onwards (learned it from his drum clinic here in Manila in 2017). And as for the intro, listen to "Night Letters" by Propagandhi for a similar linear/fast skank beat pattern.
he's playing blast beats, which are 16th notes paterns, which play a ride and snare and followed by a bass. And with that, he follows the vocal pattern.
Having Ben Weinman and Chris Pennie in the same band just wasn't fair to all other musicians in the world. They had to be split up for the sake of humanity.
Yeah dudebro... He is playing 16ths lightly and accenting on the vocal pattern - accents on each syllable in the lyrics. I have read that he has afro cuban influences, which work in alternating time signatures, but his count directly on the hits in this first verse you ask of. Pennie, as well as Thomas Haake (messhuggah) and Jon Theodore (Mars Volta) play much in these patterns, but they are all so different and styles make them my heros.
meshuggah was the first band i heard that was out of time etc and i take my hat off to them. they are both honoured by each other in their own unique way. have a look at the dillinger and meshuggah interview on youtube.
People who think DEP sucks is because they have always been listening to easy and common music. They haven't learned to appreciate good musicians and complex music. Chris Pennie is one of the best drummers, his jazz techinque is unique, I'm sure he will do a very good work with Coheed and Cambria, and we shouldn`t compare DEP to Coheed, they are totally different.
Have you had the pleasure of hearing Return To Earth's albums? They're just phenomenal! I think that Chris Pennie was able to really get intellectual in a different way when working on that project.
Oh no my friend, I MEAN Dillinger! March 23rd. It's entitled "Option Paralysis". Ready Yourself. They said it's their longest album yet, clocking in at fourty three minutes haha.
O yes, I agree w/ that. The drummer from opeth has a very "harmonic" style, that somehow resembles Bill Brufford. In the other hand, Chris Pennie sounds like a beserked, high precisioned version of Buddy Rich.
I was standing next to the camera man... ben weinman was not there, the song was playing through speakers, and he had a click track to count him in... he just counted in with it.
I guess TDEP was the first to incorporate those kind of upbeat blasts (kicks filling in between the 8ths of the snare + cymbal hits) at around 190-210 BPM before BTBAM and ABR did later on in their careers.
Really like the last two albums and the drummers they used have been brilliant but I do miss C Pennie insane style; anyways TDEP are a very unique band that I enjoyed everything they have released so far :-)
I like Gil Sharone, I loved Ire Works, and I think it really showed some of his potential. But I agree, nothing tops Chris. Which I'm happy with, he went to my other all-time favourite band, Coheed and Cambria =D
How does Chris's snare sound like that? Is the the type snare, his tuning, or the drum head. It's a hard sound and not that weak tin-can sound is usually heard in snares. Can anybody explain to me, please?
It's true... i've tried playing it before on the game, but the difference is that it's simplified. Not to mention you don't have to remember the odd times of the song, because you only hit what you see on the screen. and drummania and real drums are way different.
People talk about off tempos and chaotic rythm signatures first happened in industrial/metal but this is WAY off. These kind of playing styles have been in jazz/fusion for decades. It wasn't meshuggah or DEP. But they were indeed the first to incorporate it.
I was spending a good portion of this waiting for the BB's and honestly hope that there is some sort of delay from the Camera recording. It literally looks super laggy. No hyperbole whatsoever.
@MPrint666 I think Ben is Dillinger. And people always say that they're going mainstream and shit. Well Setting Fire to Sleeping Giants is pretty much a mainstream song but it has an insane riff and Greg's screams are there too. I think they're doing a great job showing the close-minded people this kind of music.
I never said that. I said that the Opeth drummer has room to be more creative because he plays slower music. It was a response to the comment "this guy sucks in creativeness compared to the Opeth drummer". I agree that you can't compare them...
just from the things chris has said about them, like how they wouldnt let him do his stuff with coheed even after chris had asked permission before. and chris also paid for a lot of their stuff before that
yes you even look at his jam with tm stevens and its awesome. people like chriss pennie and mike smith from suffocation and also steve smith make these days makesm interesting and even a good debating point haha!
@DrDazzleFTW He actually makes me wanna give drums up entirely after listening to songs like Jim Fear & Come To Daddy. Which part towards the end in particular?
are there any good books around on rhythm and stuff? I'm a guitar player but i want to play this kinda stuff Meshuggah/DEP. and I need some serious catching up to do rhythm wise...
