Christianity Beyond Itself w/Matthew Segall

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The first in a profound series of dialogues elucidating and exploring 'Christianity Beyond Itself', an project hosted by Jacob Kishere. The contemplative exploration begins with Matthew Segall AKA 'Footnotes2Plato': Associate Professor in the Philosophy, Cosmology, and Consciousness Program at California Institute of Integral Studies in San Francisco, CA and the Chair of the Science Advisory Committee for the Cobb Institute. Matthew and Jacob connected over Matthew's parallel work on 'Metamodern Christianity' alongside former SENSESPACE guest prof. John Vervaeke, Brendan Graham Dempsey and other’s in the liminal web.
Dialogue includes:
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-Introducing Christianity Beyond Itself
-Matthew's Journey in relation to Christ (Psychedelics & the Christ-avatar)
-The ontology of real encounter vs missionary propagation
-The new rise of Christianity in Culture: premodern or Metamodern?
-The need for mystical experiences to integrate into enacted love
-Sin as falling short of love,
-Christian's courage to break social norms vs a lack of boundaries
-Why integrating Christianity matters for the metacrisis, why it's integral to both social justice conflict and ecological crisis.
-Christianity's resources for challenging patriarchy and the conversion of the Roman empire.
-The nature of colonisation and whether Christ decolonises minds.
Further reading: Culturpilgrim's essay: "Kendrick, Carrey & Christ in Culture: Tracking the footprints of Christianity Beyond Itself" culturepilgrim...
Essay on: Jung, Alchemy and Christ:
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Connect with our work:
Matthew's RU-vid Channel: ‪@Footnotes2Plato‬
Matthew's Substack: footnotes2plat...
Jacob's Substack: www.culturepilgrim.substack.com
Jacob's Music: Culturepilgrim (IG/Spotify/Apple Music)
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Beyond Christian Rap Playlist:
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Комментарии : 15

@rickmcentee9204 Час назад

As a former priest, I really feel your message and it rings true to me. Keep up the good work! 🏆💛🤟🏽. Colonization is like everything - can increase or decrease suffering depending on the intention and application. 👍🏽

@yourfavoritesteve День назад

Matthew’s comments resonated with me.

@O.G.Rose.Michelle.and.Daniel День назад

Excellent discussion gentlemen, and wonderful to see you both in conversation! I enjoyed this a lot.

@sensespacepodcast 18 часов назад

Glad to hear it Daniel

@BryanMoss33 День назад

Pluralism is the only way. Its where the glory of Love and Freedom can be felt at its deepest levels. Love sees through polarity and melts down road blocks, unlocks prison doors. Love turns its worst enemy into its greatest advocate. This redeeming power should never be overlooked when we confont our own enemies. Until we can love like this we will always give power and life to Love's opposition.

@rsandy4077 6 часов назад

I feel love from my mother but also from my father and frommy siblings and from my friend. Is it the same? Its love right? Are all the same? Is there any difference? What does God have to do with pluralism? What does Jesus have to do with others? Is all the same since I feel love?

@BloodStarvedBrotherhood День назад

It's interesting watching this and seeing just how much I agree on many topics, but then wildly disagree on others due to my idealist metaphysics. In my mind, Jesus was the template for embodying Christ consciousness, which is the state of knowing that all is consciousness and that I am also one with that consciousness. Jesus didn't find doctors and get funding to set up a clinic to heal the sick and feed the hungry, he went to the source and healed and fed them from that. Jesus said that all that he does, we can also do, and even greater still. This is the Christianity I don't find, the kind with true faith and working to be as Christ. Neville Goddard is the best teacher I've found that teaches actual Christianity, and I only found him after experiencing Christ for myself, not as a separate man but as my own self.

@sensespacepodcast 18 часов назад

Thank you for reflecting and also the link to Neville Goddard, I will have to check him out. I resonate with your sense that the full meaning of the christ incarnate is something experienced first hand, in the now, unfolding through time and between us.

@sudabdjadjgasdajdk3120 13 часов назад

I like pluralism but how do we explain quotes like this, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.", it seems like Jesus disagrees.

@sensespacepodcast 12 часов назад

@@sudabdjadjgasdajdk3120 That would depend how we interepret it. Obviously this particular line has been used as a basis of exclusivism extensively in Christianity. However, in the broader context of Jesus' Christ teachings it seems very unlikely he's saying 'only me, jesus in particular, no other way to God'. (Let alone, 'only through Christianity' a religion he never claimed to be a part of. From what I've read elsewhere, we can read this much more in the context of the 'I AM'. How we understand the 'I AM' is critical to the meaning of 'through me'. In the context of 'I am that I am', we could say that 'no one comes to the father except through the I am that I am'. In other words, no-one comes to the father except through the realisation of Christ Consciousness. Now, whether you consider Christ Consciousness to be exclusivist or plural is a whole other question. However, in my understanding the small and contractive 'only through me' you describe doesn't feel like the deepest reading we can attain and reflects more of a Christian energy than that of Christ.

@sensespacepodcast 12 часов назад

@@sudabdjadjgasdajdk3120 Another useful thought experiment: If every scrap of christianity, every bible, all knowledge and symbols disappeared from the earth would the christ still be real/true? If so, then there's something omni-present, omni-available about Christ consciousness beyond the Jesus tradition.

@sudabdjadjgasdajdk3120 11 часов назад

@@sensespacepodcast Jesus wasn't apart of Christianity that's clearly true. however, how do we explain Jesus stating clearly that he would build a church and his disciples ought to look after that.

@boblove3167 4 часа назад

Whiteheads organism? Jung's synchronicity? Man does not live by bread alone but by every word ... Dia logos. Matt is right ... We cannot "do" it alone. See yourself ontologically as 4 levels of being in hierarchy.... Monos, nomos, oikos, logos. Creature, culture, creation, creator. You must go to a higher level to reconcile divergences at a lower level. Schumacher small is beautiful chapter 6. These 4 levels of being correspond to schelers 4 levels in the value hierarchy. selah