Christianity Goes Beyond "Science™" 

How does one measure the metallic nature of one's love for their child? Can the physical measure the non-physical?

​@@CaveToTheCrossApologetics You are assuming in said question that god exists in the non-physical in the first place. How did you determine that he does? How did you determine that he exists at all? Because in the analogy we can establish that the mother and the child both exist. The love of a mother for a child does not prove the existence of the child nor the existence of the mother.

The love a mother has for a child definitely shows the mother and child exist. Someone loves someone. Therein lies the necessary presuppositions.

@@CaveToTheCrossApologetics But we are assuming that the mother and that the specific child already exist, which is a reasonable assumption because we encounter mothers loving children in the real world. Where exactly have you encountered said god? Just claiming that A mother loves A child somewhere maybe doesn't prove their existence. You would first have to prove that they exist, then the love between them becomes a possibility. Also you are running from your intital point: Why assume that the god you are desperately trying to prove with this analogy exists?

The "A" in your sentence presupposes the mother and child. Also, the initial point was to show that there are some nonmaterial things that can't be measured in material ways. That does not mean they don't exist.

Thank you for your contribution.

Then in the best test possible, the material world grants us enough knowledge to know and be judged (Romans 1) and the life of Jesus Christ is the best proof of the Christian God (Acts 17). The ability to do science, laws of logic, and ethics and found only justified in Him.

@@CaveToTheCrossApologetics Is there any event in the life of the supposed Jesus that you can _prove_ happened? Literally _any_ event in his life. Birth and death don't count because they don't happen _in_ your life (not that you can even prove those happened here, but details).

Birth and death don't happen in your life? That's a new one. Whatever can be used to prove George Washington existed and did the things he did, those same forms can be used to establish the life of Jesus.

@@CaveToTheCrossApologetics "Birth and death don't happen in your life? That's a new one. " *Birth is the beginning of your life and death is the cessation of it. Neither occur **_in_** your life. They are the start and the end of it.* "Whatever can be used to prove George Washington existed and did the things he did, those same forms can be used to establish the life of Jesus." *Oh, so we have personal writings from Jesus? We have paintings of Jesus done in person? We have physical relics that he owned and we can prove he owned? We have a body? We have writings from contemporary historians and scholars about him? We have writings from people who actually met him?* *No? We have literally none of those things?* *Imagine that.* *But I didn't ask if you could prove he existed... I asked you to prove a single event in his life actually happened. Notice how you didn't even **_try_** to do that?* *I noticed.*

Personal writings of GW? Can you prove they were written by him? Clearly someone writing dozen of years after made them up. Paintings of GW work? Yep, no one can just come up with a picture of a guy. Contemporary "believers" in GW writing about him is proof? How biased. Wait, wait, WRITINGS from people who actually met him? I thought that wasn't allowed. His life, death, and resurrection are attested to in the writings and testimony of those who walked with Him and were changed by Him and who had no reason to change.

Amen, faith cannot contradict science but gives justification for it. And science without the Christian faith worldview is unable to be trusted. Good point there.

K

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