Churchill - United States of Europe 

But not including Great Britain 16:45

emmyntony He changed his mind. Google it.

Oh ok, he was an idiot then. Lol

+erzan Just like Cameron and Corbyn,

fuck you talking bad of the dead

yeah that's normal... maybe coz you've been dead for several decades.

jarno ronkainen Well, that's not my fault and far mor important, no reason to turn against me. I have done much more for Britain than all these young Brexiters. Who do they think they are?! Would you stab Linus Torvalds in the back in 50 years?

Seriously i doubt chatting with some 142 year old Prime Minister ^_^ 'Who do they think they are'... it's rather like 'Who do you think you are'? ... But seriously... world has changed just a wee bit since one famous Chuchill died 1965... hardly any turned against anything.

Mads Sune Hanelius Me? Did you listen to my speech?!

Mads Sune Hanelius Well, he is Finnish. What do you expect?

MARGARELON thanks to NATO

Fair enough, just going on what he said above, Council of Europe is a different entity with no binding power of law. Just to elaborate , GB is Great Britain (England Scotland and Wales under direct rule from Westminster at that time) British commonwealth is all the rest of the countries under British control at that time or had been under British control but stayed part of the Commonwealth. British Isles is a group of Islands off Europe including GB, Eire, Isle of Man and all the smaller islands etc. (But the Republic of Ireland no longer like to be called part of the British Isles for political purposes, even though geographically they are) UK is England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Just a note, When we grew up in the fifties and sixties, even though we were the United Kingdom and Northern Ireland, I cannot ever remember calling it UK, we just used to say Britain or Great Britain ( As the stickers for the cars that went abroad showed GB)

A common misconception. "I have preferred not to stress this point, so as to leave to others the task of inviting us. One must not give the impression that we wish to control Europe, even though it is clear that only Great Britain is capable today of guiding her properly. Or perhaps we invite Russia first, which will refuse, and in that case Britain will be able to join." - Churchill - 18 Sept. 1946 (responding to a question from Legationsrat Cuttat on the night before giving his Zurich speech) It is true that his first priority was to unite France and German though.

His DNA has been recovered and we are cloning him to ask him!

If you're saying that because of the Brexit, well, in fact Churchill had never wanted to be part of it. He even says it in this very one speech. He had the Commonwealth with the GB dominions and was happy with it.

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​@@johntedonneraipasmonnom713 Yes but the British Empire fell apart after the ww2. I'm sure he would want to be a part of the European Empire.

@@johntedonneraipasmonnom713 The British Empire doesn't exist anymore.

tiglath pileser 😂 someone give this guy a map

tiglath pileser that's like saying Goans are not Indian because they consider themselves superior to Indians, or Hong Kong is not Chinese because it feels superior to China etc etc... And yes, being from the landmass of Europe literally makes you European.

Hopefully the disgusting edifice will implode.

What the British consider themselves as and what the DNA says are two different things. British are Europeans. Germans, French, Romans, Scandinavians. Cant argue with the DNA.

DE Gaulle has been vindicated. Perfidious Albion will suffer though. It will sink back to the 1970s when it was known as the sick man of Europe.

He supported it and wanted it to go much further. See below - which has direct quotes: eu-rope.ideasoneurope.eu/2013/11/10/winston-churchill-a-founder-of-the-european-union/

He was British and American.

Agreed- he was a visionary. Listen to the last sentence. He didn't want Britain in the new United States of Europe.

That sentence was in reference of the immediate aims; he doesn't exclude the UK, he just doesn't mention it there. He clearly intended to include the UK at some future time, as the whole point was to bring all the powerful European nations together and to prevent war. He also expected there to be practical issues re the Common Wealth. "We cannot aim at anything less than the *Union of Europe as a whole*, and we look forward with confidence to the day when that Union will be achieved.’"

Fourbrick I think it was more a matter of he was looking from the perspective of a leader of a British colonial empire which spanned the globe. Britain was a global empire when he gave this speech and a global empire to which much of the credit of an allied victory in WWII was owed. That is not Britain today. I think Winston would have thought strategically that Britain now has similar interests to France and Germany and would want to stop them from dominating a bloc Britain should be a leader in.

Exactly The European Union has federal characteristics but is still not yet an official federation .

@@Fourbrick "I have preferred not to stress this point, so as to leave to others the task of inviting us. One must not give the impression that we wish to control Europe, even though it is clear that only Great Britain is capable today of guiding her properly. Or perhaps we invite Russia first, which will refuse, and in that case Britain will be able to join." - Churchill - 18 Sept. 1946 (responding to a question from Legationsrat Cuttat on the night before giving his Zurich speech)

You are correct, of course. In fact, he said the UK should be a member the night before this speech was given, though knew it was more important to unite France and German quickly. "I have preferred not to stress this point, so as to leave to others the task of inviting us. One must not give the impression that we wish to control Europe, even though it is clear that only Great Britain is capable today of guiding her properly." "Or perhaps we invite Russia first, which will refuse, and in that case Britain will be able to join." Winston Churchill - 18 Sept. 1946 (responding to a question from Legationsrat Cuttat on the night before giving his Zurich speech)

I think this was personal, because his mother was American

A commonly help misconception. "I have preferred not to stress this point, so as to leave to others the task of inviting us. One must not give the impression that we wish to control Europe, even though it is clear that only Great Britain is capable today of guiding her properly. Or perhaps we invite Russia first, which will refuse, and in that case Britain will be able to join." - Churchill - 18 Sept. 1946 (responding to a question from Legationsrat Cuttat on the night before giving his Zurich speech)

Ah yes, the classic Brexiteer "lets take his reasoning out of context". As Paul mentioned, his reasoning was that a united Europe is an equal Europe. The Brits trying to crowbar their way in, could be seen as Brits trying to take control of Europe (due to their history). He wasn't wrong, the French blocked British entry for years, with this exact reasoning. Sadly, the French were right and the Brits were never happy about not getting everything they wanted.

Why, if you listen to the whole part of his speech, he actually says “Great Britain, the British Commonwealth of Nations, mighty America and I trust Soviet Russia-for then indeed all would be well-must be the friends and sponsors of the new Europe and must champion its right to live and shine. Therefore I say to you: let Europe arise!» he never said we should join!

@@tbourne033 Lol the British Commun Wealth its not what is was.

why do you mean ?

0:10:32 to 0:14:38

"A true union for peace" You mean one lacking any power. Several members of the Council of Europe do not follow its own European Court of Human Rights. Ironically, excluding Poland and Hungary which the EU has been butting heads with, the members found to constantly follow the European Charter of Human Rights are... drum roll... EU members that are also CoE members! Why is this you ask? Because the Council of Europe has no power to enforce. A member can just... ignore the charter. What are they going to do? Nothing because there's also very little benefit to being a part of the Council of Europe. Meanwhile the EU has adopted the European Charter of Human Rights and does far better in enforcing it. This is, of course, another Euroskeptic argument that falls limp. There's a good reason people often forget the Council of Europe exists. Also, your mentioning is bullshit seeing as Churchill was quite happy with the creation of the ECSC which has nothing to do with the Council of Europe and is instead the predecessor of the EEC which led to the EU.

+Cobracol1 WW2 was nothing but floods of migrants. In a wood near me hundreds of Polish families lived and created a community in WW2. At the end of WW2 Europe was a ruined disaster zone. Look at it now..for all its faults it is a paradise in comparison to what it was in 1946.

You are not very good at maths.

He eventually would have known that membership was a necessity. and inevitable The EU sits 22 miles off the coast of England. To remain isolated would have not been productive.