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"Churchill Was A MONSTER!" Piers Morgan Debates Winston Churchill With BLM Activist 

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Piers Morgan Uncensored is joined by Black Lives Matter activist Imarn Ayton and historian and author Sir Anthony Seldon to discuss how Winston Churchill should be remembered and if we are right to critique him for some of his reportedly racist behaviour in the past.
Piers believes that we should always see Churchill as the hero that saved this country from Nazi Germany and fascism - and he doesn't accept why that perspective has changed in modern society. Imarn then suggests that he could still be a national hero whilst also being held accountable for the "monstrous" things he had done, such as setting up Kenyan concentration camps that use torture tactics. Anthony agrees that the things Churchill did should be discussed but we should also remember how pivotal he was in maintaining freedom in today's world.
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Комментарии : 11 тыс.   
@alexboyce3099
@alexboyce3099 Год назад
That historian is the perfect example of someone not having a biased view or a one sided argument but to acknowledge the good and the bad and not to get offended by it all but to talk about what is important which is to learn from history and to try and build bridges to come together what a guy 🙏👏
@pujatelicreative
@pujatelicreative Год назад
He is wonderful
@rodneysaunders8817
@rodneysaunders8817 Год назад
Correct, seemed lost on the BLM activist who came across as extremely patronizing and very selective with her take on Churchill, only researched him after the BLM protests in 2020. As someone else said if it were not for Churchill, many of us, including her would not be here today.
@stopthemediaswaronmen3029
@stopthemediaswaronmen3029 Год назад
I wonder how this activist would go living under a f@scist Eur0pean empir3. He should be thankful for Winston Churchill.
@pujatelicreative
@pujatelicreative Год назад
@Uzi Khan Very easily. Because I am responsible for balancing two things. Living here and a past that cannot be changed. What do you want done from this issue of Churchill’s racism? In practical terms?
@maxgeorge1463
@maxgeorge1463 Год назад
@Uzi Khan XD funny sarcasm
@laurajanedouek8930
@laurajanedouek8930 8 месяцев назад
I so wish Douglas Murray had debated this woman. He would have done a far better job of it.
@helle114
@helle114 3 месяца назад
Douglas ❤
@granthenderson696
@granthenderson696 3 месяца назад
Agreed!!!!
@lindasolomon4235
@lindasolomon4235 2 месяца назад
She wouldn't have stood a chance!
@granthenderson696
@granthenderson696 2 месяца назад
Someone need to set up that debate!
@lenwilkinson672
@lenwilkinson672 2 месяца назад
@@granthenderson696she would soil something.
@WaltShag
@WaltShag 3 месяца назад
"God this women could start a argument on her own in a phone box". !!!! 🤣😅😁
@Royston-gh8xt
@Royston-gh8xt 2 месяца назад
What have you against a great English icon the phone box I mean not that vile woman she should be deported
@africanqueen1655
@africanqueen1655 2 месяца назад
Yes when you tell the truth it sets fire to the pants of liars. 🤥🔥
@richardplume3212
@richardplume3212 2 месяца назад
Kin ejit look in the mirror lady n get it off y lap
@TheDoctor35
@TheDoctor35 2 месяца назад
😂😂😂😂
@33andathird
@33andathird 2 месяца назад
​@@africanqueen1655the truth is usually more complex and has many aspects rather than this binary moralising the young folk go in for. It's ironic how so many will claim to be "non-binary" in gender politics but are totally and very crudely binary in politics and discussions of history. The view of discussions as something you win rather than learn from is also symptomatic of a generation raised on too many video games and the enforced decontextualised glibness of Twitter and other social media. Congratulations! You won the game! Your prize is crudity, ignorance, incomprehension and more empty headed conflict! That's not a useful approach to discussion imho. The prize is not appealing.
@yourdadsmatebarry
@yourdadsmatebarry 6 месяцев назад
why doesnt she talk about robert mugabe?
@dermotquinn
@dermotquinn 2 месяца назад
Well very few intelligent people would be prepared to defend his genocide on the Gukhurahundi. He caused massive starvation, deaths from medical care destruction and theft of millions of peoples pension funds. But he hated whites so many would defend him.
@africanqueen1655
@africanqueen1655 2 месяца назад
Because Churchill was EVIL, President Mugabe was a Revolutionary. 🙏🏿🙌🏾
@hider23232
@hider23232 2 месяца назад
Why would she
@africanqueen1655
@africanqueen1655 2 месяца назад
@@hider23232Exactly he was responding to Barbaric European Colonialism. 🙏🏿🙌🏾
@SolomonGrod
@SolomonGrod 2 месяца назад
I understand your point. it's stupid but I get it. But even then you understand robert was a horrible person and you find him comparable.
@eo78
@eo78 Год назад
Smartest person in the debate barely got to talk. Difference between intellect and showmanship.
@tropicalnofruit1419
@tropicalnofruit1419 Год назад
Okay but what did she say wrong. She defended her points well as piers is a known over talker. She respected the viewpoints of these two and admitted where her info may contain invalidities.
@GameslordXY
@GameslordXY Год назад
@@tropicalnofruit1419 She blamed Churchill for famine. Even when given valid argument against it,an argument that might serve as evidence since historical facts can usually be checked that she seemingly acknowledged,but then decided to ignore. And blamed everyone else,for all the bad things,as if black people are all gentle flowers and angels that would never ever hurt anyone. WHEN she involved RACIAL argument,she lost all the credibility in my eyes. I am a white guy and probably racist
@tropicalnofruit1419
@tropicalnofruit1419 Год назад
@@GameslordXY fair play shes too woke, but I couldn’t help but think she had good points. Churchills is a hero but that concentration camp shit is wild you can’t deny. African/white mixed guy whose probably as racist as the next guy.
@visiionz_6699
@visiionz_6699 Год назад
@@tropicalnofruit1419 but u have to acknowledge that coming in a debate and mentioning a horrific event and pointing fingers and say “this man’s actions potentially caused this event” any action from a leader in a time of crisis could cause consequences if the opposite action was not taken. Her stance on this was disingenuous at best and she should not have mentioned it if her defense on it was that he potentially caused it.
@tropicalnofruit1419
@tropicalnofruit1419 Год назад
@@visiionz_6699 okay but I think your underplaying how much the guy might have had a role in it. Yes piers completely brushed it off but I looked it up and he did completely abandon the people during this and I’m not surprised as he said he saw Indians as “beastly people” so yes typhoon caused it but Churchill had the opportunity to help and didn’t. So she was kinda right anyway but just didn’t phrase it descriptively enough. Churchill = racist hero 🦸‍♂️
@achitophel5852
@achitophel5852 11 месяцев назад
I was born 2 years before the war ended. My family goes back to 1070 AD. I don't need someone of foreign extraction to lecture me on one of England's greatest Englishmen ever. In fact I would greatly prefer it if she returned to her country of ethnic origin and dug up some dirt on some of her own national heroes.
@elizabethmcloughlin1984
@elizabethmcloughlin1984 3 месяца назад
Thank you for saying that.❤
@joeblack8915
@joeblack8915 3 месяца назад
He was Anglo-American, and given that date, you're probably related to William the Bastard's lot, who were decidedly not English, but rather a bunch of Frenchified Vikings. While I have nothing against Churchill, he was hardly 'the greatest Englishman' to pick from 1500 years of ENGLISH history.
@JamesMolyneux62
@JamesMolyneux62 3 месяца назад
Very well said. That’s the real point.
@aleistercrowley1644
@aleistercrowley1644 3 месяца назад
Agreed she's a racist woman
@MAT-244
@MAT-244 2 месяца назад
Clean up your country before these haters destroy you completely. She can go back to Kenya and say what she wants, but not on your soil, real British.
@user-gj8rt5gw2j
@user-gj8rt5gw2j 3 месяца назад
We do they remain in this country if they hate it so much ??
@variaxi935
@variaxi935 3 месяца назад
We ask the same here in America.
@Andrew68Taylor
@Andrew68Taylor 3 месяца назад
Look at her. She has been afforded opportunities for self advancement in this country. That's why she stays here. Not bad for a country that's as racist as Britain apparently is.
@deanchadwick7443
@deanchadwick7443 3 месяца назад
This black woman just shouts white people are racist and nasty, my reasoning is that people like her don’t understand she is privileged with all the inventions that white peoples has given to people like her
@rickflose
@rickflose 3 месяца назад
@@variaxi935difference is who are you to ask the same in USA? You are not indigenous
@walterhemmens7567
@walterhemmens7567 3 месяца назад
I would pay her airfare back to Africa
@bernarduscairncross2221
@bernarduscairncross2221 5 месяцев назад
Very important! I salute those that overcame extraordinary difficulties and insurmountable odds.
@Itsareallifetrumanshow
@Itsareallifetrumanshow Год назад
I love the fact that this historian is completely unbiased and giving fantastic facts.
@HustleNGrow331
@HustleNGrow331 Год назад
He was scared to get knocked the fk out lol
@registame2878
@registame2878 Год назад
Here-Here It’s taken long enough to find/see a decent historian but it truly was refreshing to see. He is a person that deserves looking into given how balanced he was. - I’m still in shock to be honest; I wasn’t expecting that at all. It’s shame morgan had to spoil it all with his contrary nonsense but I expected that.
@ClinicalTimo
@ClinicalTimo Год назад
🤣
@DerekDerekDerekDerekDerekDerek
@@HustleNGrow331 by who? The skinny woman?
@RubyMarkLindMilly
@RubyMarkLindMilly Год назад
Good lord and your point is ? Every leader made mistakes whats the point in raking over old coals all it will do is cause division he saved this country thats a fact the world was a different place in his time people need to wake up to that fact
@oliverjohnston436
@oliverjohnston436 Год назад
‘To give young people the evidence on both sides, I’ll let them come to their own judgement’ - a non biased historian. We need more of this
@fionay2014
@fionay2014 Год назад
...and Obama built the cages.... I just wish people will bring all the same energy for everyone
@b3at2
@b3at2 Год назад
We must realize that running a country is like running a gang...and gang leaders do monstrous things. Sometimes on behalf of the people they lead and sometimes on behalf of their prejudice.
@aldorfc220
@aldorfc220 Год назад
Well what was it tom Mcdonald said about cages and tiny phone screens 🤔
@thepagalpanti2004
@thepagalpanti2004 Год назад
😏😏 defending churchill in case of india (👍) (it is obvious British will defend) keep defending (keep hiding from your young brits we will keep reminding) 😏🙏🏼
@shmoopoo8099
@shmoopoo8099 Год назад
@@thepagalpanti2004 and that solves what exactly..
@Andrew68Taylor
@Andrew68Taylor 3 месяца назад
The historian is so patient. He stayed silent while she was talking, but when it was his turn, she wouldn't shut up.
@kenwkls6392
@kenwkls6392 2 месяца назад
cause the old fart was waffling nonsense thats why.
@celeste8157
@celeste8157 Месяц назад
Typical narcissistic modern woman
@amandarhodes4072
@amandarhodes4072 Месяц назад
This is simply because people like this woman are sheltered to true history and the general picture of why people made the decisions they did. Seeing only the result and judging simply off that. She also lives in such a way that she preaches her nonsense without being criticised by people willing to stand up to her so she gets into a false sense of security that she is right! So when someone better educated and informed tells her otherwise she can't stand to hear the truth. Shameful that people can't see the hero in some through the evil of everyone.
@sastaassh1112
@sastaassh1112 Месяц назад
​@@amandarhodes4072 you do realize than churchill was sa racist and killed more people than Hitler right?
@KSTAccountancy
@KSTAccountancy 3 месяца назад
If she thinks Churchill was bad wait until she hears about the other guy.
@danielclark1614
@danielclark1614 Месяц назад
Best comment
@anandadaquino3604
@anandadaquino3604 Месяц назад
HAHAHAHAHA
@ryanlongridge6361
@ryanlongridge6361 Месяц назад
If only you knew the truth silly person
@mysteryanimecosplayeredito8401
@mysteryanimecosplayeredito8401 Месяц назад
Which one? The first guy or the second guy after WW2? Either way, Churchill is a saint to me compared to them
@user-bi5vl2mf6u
@user-bi5vl2mf6u 21 день назад
She'd probably love him
@beany2456
@beany2456 8 месяцев назад
Does this woman not realise she would not be here without Churchill. She’s a true racist.
@richardplume3212
@richardplume3212 Месяц назад
Totaly agree the lady needs to get the mirror off her lap n look in it shes a clown
@DrSt-mu4zw
@DrSt-mu4zw Месяц назад
Churchill is a warmonger and drunkard. He started ww2
@4lackofbetter
@4lackofbetter Месяц назад
I couldn't figure out what point she was trying to make. Saying Winston Churchill is a hero but then emphasizing the bad things he did and saying we need balance. I'm still not sure what her point was.
@markusgreenidge8330
@markusgreenidge8330 Месяц назад
Can you explain how she would not be there without Churchill?
@nonono9194
@nonono9194 18 дней назад
Correction, she wouldn't be here without Churchill's paymasters who he took bribes from* And yes they are of which group you think they are from, this is factual information.
@angharadhowells4069
@angharadhowells4069 8 месяцев назад
She is doing her best to keep racism in her narrative…and there’s a dodgy and flimsy feel to her actual knowledge.
@lenwilkinson672
@lenwilkinson672 2 месяца назад
@angharacho. Spot on there,Impossible to debate with such people,anti with everything. but herself.
@woowah32
@woowah32 2 месяца назад
Let’s just cut to the chase, she’s absolutely full of shit.👍🏻
@kenwkls6392
@kenwkls6392 2 месяца назад
when you're talking about history then racism is imbedded in everything.
@Catmac2000
@Catmac2000 2 месяца назад
If she can’t find any racism she’s out of a job, so she has to drag it up from the past to keep her job going.
@sheilathompson6233
@sheilathompson6233 21 день назад
Who is this rude, arrogant piece of work anyway and why is she given so much air time???? If we are that bad why is she here??
@franklinjablonsky7613
@franklinjablonsky7613 5 месяцев назад
Would love to hear her thoughts on idi amin
@kenwkls6392
@kenwkls6392 2 месяца назад
doesnt compare to hitler and churchill. he didnt invade nobody
@drinkwater9891
@drinkwater9891 2 месяца назад
nobody in the uk calls him a hero
@kenwkls6392
@kenwkls6392 2 месяца назад
​@@drinkwater9891white folks do
@okman9684
@okman9684 2 месяца назад
She is not from Uganda. Will i ask you about the atrocities in Rhodesia?
@user-sz9lh6ug6d
@user-sz9lh6ug6d 2 месяца назад
I've never known a perfect leader but I'm here to day because of Churchill and my grandparents and all the people of the uk
@lennon1252
@lennon1252 2 месяца назад
No, your here today because the United States joined WW2 to save Churchill and England from being destroyed and taken over by Hitler if the U.S. didn't join the war. Britain would have had the same fate as France.
@RobertBoyle11
@RobertBoyle11 Год назад
This discussion was actually far more civil than I expected it to be
@Cobalt1520
@Cobalt1520 Год назад
However, pointing fingers and waiving your hands in front of other people's face, and laughing to their face, is not so civil, is it? its very annoying.
@RobertBoyle11
@RobertBoyle11 Год назад
@@Cobalt1520 Like I said, it was more civil than I expected. I didn't say it was the perfect example of "civil" did I? Also, I wouldn't class it as the best example of "un-civil", because pointing/waving your arms is, like you cleverly pointed out, is just a bit annoying.
@Cobalt1520
@Cobalt1520 Год назад
@@RobertBoyle11 Yes it was more civil than potentially expected, but only because our standards have become very low, whenever these kinds of topics are discussed. The question is why we expect these discussions not to be so civil.
@RobertBoyle11
@RobertBoyle11 Год назад
@@Cobalt1520 For me ... Peirce Morgan, that was why I expected it to be chaos.
@Sam-pr9rr
@Sam-pr9rr Год назад
Passive aggressive more like
@TheKevswife
@TheKevswife 8 месяцев назад
She wasn’t there. She had no idea what people went through.
@heatheryearwood9199
@heatheryearwood9199 2 месяца назад
She is a right Hoorah Henry ...she is out of the British system....
@nigeldelacruz4400
@nigeldelacruz4400 2 месяца назад
​@@heatheryearwood9199plain ignorant.
@markell598
@markell598 2 месяца назад
You don't know what Black Community has had to go through in those time and still having to go through into days times , the white system is a evil system society mostly aimed at the Black Community but it is evil towards the white Community but not near the same level .
@richardplume3212
@richardplume3212 2 месяца назад
Agree
@ID-rs9wv
@ID-rs9wv 3 месяца назад
As a Polish person who lives in UK 11 years. And Poland suffered the most during the wars, no one on this planet can say another thing, PERIOD. Without Sir Churchill policies and revolutionary ideas, UK and Europe generally wouldnt be so mixed races as it is now. Why? Because the Germans will win the war, and no other race would live in its territory. Without him we as Europeans, would survive the German barbarian attack. Thank you Churchill and may you rest in peace, one of the heroes of the century
@diggerpete9334
@diggerpete9334 Месяц назад
Thank you
@annaolejnicka892
@annaolejnicka892 22 дня назад
Hmm. Yes. BUT why did Churchil eventually sell us to Stalin?? And WHY we Poles were the only nation who was not allowed to participate in the Victory Parade in 1945?
@razorblade6746
@razorblade6746 11 дней назад
​​@@annaolejnicka892 1) because by the time Churchill became prime minister, Poland was swallowed by Stalin and Hitler. He needed to first defeat Germany, but that objective evolved into helping France. Then it became saving France, and that too evolved into Saving what's left of the British expeditionary forces. He had bigger issues to worry about. 2) because Poland was gifted parts of Germany to satisfy the London Poles and give them their war trophies. But Stalin didn't like to include the poles in the victory parade and at that time, Stalin was a superpower and his red army occupied eastern Europe and all of Poland 3) Because Churchill just finished a war with a tyrant, his country damn near collapsed in the process (not empire. Great Britain as a Country). Also in the final decision, he was already voted out of office, it was Attlee's turn to take the stand and he similarly did NOT want to piss Stalin off.
@kylesummers420
@kylesummers420 3 месяца назад
My late Grandad, was a through and through labour man, born in 1929 just before the Wall Street crash. He always used to tell me Churchill as a peace time Prime Minister is up there as one of the worse. With research there is lots to support that argument. However, when I asked him would we have won the war with anyone else, it was a resounding no. I think people tend to forget what exactly was at stake in WW2, and had it gone the other way, a lot of us wouldn’t be on the planet, let alone be allowed to have a voice like we do nowadays. I’m classed as a millennial, and I accept that Churchill was the architect of some truly abhorrent acts. But to use todays views of racism, which I completely agree with, to judge Churchill is wrong. Yes in todays light, what Churchill had said, and done is highly racist. Yet people forget that he was paramount in the defeat and utter destruction of the most racist entity in modern human history, The Third Reich. It is the defining moment in human history.
@bernstantzfosolis5936
@bernstantzfosolis5936 Год назад
That woman loves the sound of her own voice.
@dnn86
@dnn86 Год назад
She's the only one.
@joebish6629
@joebish6629 Год назад
Morgan loves the sound of his own voice far more.
@v-town1980
@v-town1980 Год назад
@@joebish6629 Well, he IS the host.
@thesaintst1851
@thesaintst1851 Год назад
You are white I assume?
@jjw4646
@jjw4646 Год назад
@@thesaintst1851 Why does it matter? Embarrassing
@MrClassytangerine
@MrClassytangerine 6 месяцев назад
It must be nice to be able to sit back and call everyone monsters and be able to do so because those monsters did ehat they had to do to keep you free
@bernarduscairncross2221
@bernarduscairncross2221 5 месяцев назад
Sometimes we need to hold ourselves accountable for our weaknesses, incompetence and shortcomings.
@poogle9368
@poogle9368 2 месяца назад
Some of our shortcomings aren’t exporting 70,000 tons of rice out of a famine struck bengal. Curious I never hear this about Stalin… sure he did more to save the world from the nazis than all the rest of the countries combined (3/4 of nazi losses were to the red army) but you obviously don’t hear people going “well the holodomir was just a teensy little character flaw you really have to take the good with the bad”.
@sircxx8621
@sircxx8621 Год назад
It’s a shame that no one has the courage to say exactly what they think
@peacehope4461
@peacehope4461 Год назад
The only people who say this are those it applies to. I have no issues with saying exactly what I think. Why do you?
@sircxx8621
@sircxx8621 Год назад
@@peacehope4461 What??
@-BUILT_LIKE_A_BAG_OF_MILK
@-BUILT_LIKE_A_BAG_OF_MILK Год назад
@@sircxx8621 We all have courage to say what we think, if it offends then that shows the other person's lack to hear an opinion different to their own.
@robknight1473
@robknight1473 Год назад
I say exactly what I want to say . Don’t lump me in a category of cowards
@tastethedifferencecheese
@tastethedifferencecheese Год назад
_Enter Jeremy Clarkson_
@des9772
@des9772 4 месяца назад
I bet she's a barrel of laughs at parties 😂
@user-random85764
@user-random85764 3 месяца назад
I'd rather be at a party with her then the other bloke.
@budselectgoesoff
@budselectgoesoff 2 месяца назад
that's called a BLM riot
@Andy78L-ft4gf
@Andy78L-ft4gf 2 месяца назад
She would bore a glass eye to sleep. It was injected with a gramophone needle at birth. Imagine it debating with Kaur - what a meeting of minds. Thick as a brains pork pie
@user-bq9th7tr5n
@user-bq9th7tr5n 2 месяца назад
Oh God she's shooting her mouth off again I'm off.....
@johnmassey7760
@johnmassey7760 8 месяцев назад
And if Hiller had won -you would definitely not be having this conversation.
@weaponizedknight7316
@weaponizedknight7316 Месяц назад
Churchill led the country to victory, but people forget that
@neilwilliams4184
@neilwilliams4184 Год назад
God this women could start a argument on her own in a phone box.
@ghhnnn2456
@ghhnnn2456 11 месяцев назад
She is a hypocrite, claiming she "understand" it's balanced but also hyper accentuate the "monstrous" part of Churchill... Super manipulative
@michaelwirth6843
@michaelwirth6843 11 месяцев назад
Very annoying woman, she really loves her own voice.
@boomerwithatumor4624
@boomerwithatumor4624 10 месяцев назад
@@ghhnnn2456 psychology is pure malarkey
@wleon4068
@wleon4068 10 месяцев назад
Why? Hit home has she?
@bensugden1586
@bensugden1586 10 месяцев назад
​@@wleon4068she's so passionate about concentration camps yet focuses on the past rather than the present such as Muslim concentration camps in China, or Chinas operations in South Africa using cheap labour to harvest natural resources, destroying the land and displacing many Africans, a bigger issue, you'll surely agree?
@helle114
@helle114 3 месяца назад
Mrs Winnie Mandela was not all sweetness and light if I remember well...
@fatimakay9488
@fatimakay9488 2 месяца назад
Asseblief stomping aupporter
@Sweetp.76
@Sweetp.76 7 месяцев назад
What Churchill did 7 years after the 2nd world war in Kenya totally destroys whatever good people think he did! He is a monster!!!
@bigdog8820
@bigdog8820 Год назад
Sorry to the greatest Generation! We owe you everything! Thank you for your service and sacrifice! To think my generation has this view is utterly deplorable and shameful!
@cocacoladog10
@cocacoladog10 Год назад
they sacrificed their lives so their future grandchildren could get raped and killed in broad daylight by foreigners
@Cdroh
@Cdroh Год назад
You’re clueless mate Churchill unleashed the Black and Tans to Ireland the most hated group of people ever to set foot on Ireland not including the Bengali famine
@amandaandjeremysmith7636
@amandaandjeremysmith7636 Год назад
As soon as she said "white people's feelings" it sumed up her argument perfectly
@theonlylordoflight5101
@theonlylordoflight5101 Год назад
I think you're focusing on one word/ sentence rather than the whole debate which was actual very civil and productive. The fact you focus on this disregards what all 3 very clearly offered a overall balanced view. I think you do yourself a disservice with this comment and focusing on one sentence rather than a balance on the overall debate. And that is why people cannot discuss topics in todays world. Too sensitive on one word or sentence that upsets them and proceed to disregard the entire debate.
@cjs19kilo
@cjs19kilo Год назад
I’m sure the 2+ billion Chinese and Indians are very happy that Japan lost WWII. What about their feelings?
@rogerengland7692
@rogerengland7692 Год назад
@@theonlylordoflight5101 black people can't debate, they are too emotional.
@pennywise146
@pennywise146 Год назад
True….her mask slipped and her true self was revealed.
@MoldycheeseJr
@MoldycheeseJr Год назад
@@theonlylordoflight5101 usually when someone makes a racist remark that ruins your impression of them. Unless racism is excusable?
@Real_SkyRipper
@Real_SkyRipper 7 месяцев назад
"Churchill Was A MONSTER!" anyone that says this have literally no idea what monsters are like, privileged people are so loud and so ignorant.
@CliveAdlam-yn8uz
@CliveAdlam-yn8uz 2 месяца назад
Without Sir Winston , she would not be able to pout her poisonous envy .
@markbujdos584
@markbujdos584 Год назад
wow, she's been studying Churchhill for a couple years! What an expert!
@abinsurly2910
@abinsurly2910 11 месяцев назад
How long does it take to learn that the man was a monster?
@powpow9560
@powpow9560 10 месяцев назад
That's long enough to learn all you need to know. Unless you're very slow...
@markbujdos584
@markbujdos584 10 месяцев назад
@@powpow9560 Well to sum it all up, as Biden said 10 days ago--"God save the Queen!"
@cameronpillay8050
@cameronpillay8050 6 месяцев назад
​@markbujdos584 the queen is dead and burning in hell
@jimmyd2647
@jimmyd2647 5 месяцев назад
​@@markbujdos584What the hell has "God save the queen" got to do with this debate? 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@andrew_l1900
@andrew_l1900 Год назад
The fact that she feels the need to comment and “yes!, aha!, hmmmm!” After everything that’s said by the historian annoys the shit out of me. And when he says something she doesn’t like she’s condescending as hell and just starts to raise her voice like that makes her opinions more valid.
@franky012
@franky012 Год назад
Good luck having an intelligent discussion with most anyone representing BLM.
@icardoso8
@icardoso8 Год назад
I noticed since the first 30 seconds that would be that way. You can notice it in her eyes/look when Pierces starts talking. Since the beginning.
@FG2019
@FG2019 Год назад
Yes! Agro
@Chevrolet-71
@Chevrolet-71 Год назад
BLACK LIES MATTER
@salemalagel5912
@salemalagel5912 Год назад
Classic attention seeking
@AntonyHudson-pi3ty
@AntonyHudson-pi3ty 5 месяцев назад
She is waffling hard
@antonyholditch8849
@antonyholditch8849 3 месяца назад
Dont give that woman air time .
@nothingbuthuman599
@nothingbuthuman599 3 месяца назад
Why?
@prasanamcdonald7991
@prasanamcdonald7991 Год назад
I am an immigrant and am grateful for my life in this country. I have lived here for just over 50 years and worked in the NHS until I retired. I simply say to fellow immigrants and and their children who were born and brought up here that no one should bite the hands that feed you. If we are unhappy living here, there is a simple solution. This is a free country and no one will hold a gun to our heads to force us to live here. Don't make your life miserable living here. Go back to your motherland which must be so much better than the UK. Make way for someone who is genuinely loyal to live and contribute to the this community.
@donhokage
@donhokage Год назад
As u said u are a immigrant alot are not and u say the hand that feeds u like u don't work for what u got. My family didn't leave the motherland by choice and we use the hands we got to feed us thank you at the same time as paying taxes for the reparations the money given to people that treated my people worse than a chair.
@ck3837
@ck3837 Год назад
Well said
@prasanamcdonald7991
@prasanamcdonald7991 Год назад
The " hand that feeds you" is not about being given anything free. It is about the opportunity to train, get a job, earn a living, paying my taxes, living in a country that allows many minority groups to take the piss out of white people, hold age old outdated grudges against them and allows the minority groups to cry " foul" and playing the same old record of how bad this country is. Unless you were brought here as a slave, you cannot say you didn't have a choice. If you are here because your country was being destroyed by war, you need to ask why you didn't move to a safe neighbouring country. No one can expect to come to the UK for free. When we choose the UK, we choose to live by the law and contribute to society. Reparations is not being paid to the British white. Reparations should come from the black slave traders who traded their own people for centuries.
@DidacticEditions
@DidacticEditions 11 месяцев назад
Precicely my point! What is this woman's point??? They can always move.
@Liz-ro5tq
@Liz-ro5tq 11 месяцев назад
What a lovely reply ..if everyine had yoyr attutude we would live in peace
@dedeferreira98
@dedeferreira98 11 месяцев назад
From Portugal: Churchill is a fucking HERO
@elizabethmcloughlin1984
@elizabethmcloughlin1984 3 месяца назад
Thank you. As a 76 year old Irish woman, the only thing for which I'm ashamed of my country is it's neutrality in WW2. I know we put up with terrible cruelty from Britain over the centuries, but Ireland was not only neutral; we harboured Nazi U-boats in our harbours. We were just round the corner from Liverpool for feck's sake!!! I understand this was a way of getting back at Britain for what Britain had done to Ireland; but, in a time of war, threatened by genocidal maniacs? What did the Irish think would happen to them after they'd helped Hitler conquer Britain? I don't care what anyone else thinks of Churchill. He was a man of his era. Ok - an imperialist. But, if it hadn't been for him, the fortunate few of us still alive & not in slave labour, would be speaking German now. One of the most poignant things I ever saw was when I watched the great man's funeral live on TV, when the barge carrying his coffin went down the Thames and all the huge cranes bowed. If any of my countrymen/women are curious about my comments. No, I really am Irish, from the Republic and don't have a drop of English blood.
@aleistercrowley1644
@aleistercrowley1644 3 месяца назад
Totally agree girl I'm republican Irish too even our catholic priests gave safe haven to nazi war criminals I hear Hitlers bloodline lives in Dublin can't be certain of that now ​@@elizabethmcloughlin1984
@Fran_van_der_Geld
@Fran_van_der_Geld 2 месяца назад
@@elizabethmcloughlin1984 I would advise you to revisit history. This lie has been peddled for several years but is completely without foundation. Ireland was neutral during the Second World War. but as has often been said. “it was neutral on the Allies’ side.” For example, Luftwaffe pilots shot down over Ireland were interned for the duration of the war whereas RAF airmen were quietly given a cup of tea and put on the train to Belfast. When war was imminent, De Valera interned pro-German members of the IRA and even had a few of them hanged for pro-German activities such as sabotage. Irish military intelligence kept tabs on Abwehr agents operating in Ireland and shared information with their British counterparts. Similarly, vital weather information was shared with the British. Ground markers were placed in Co. Donegal to guide returning RAF and US aeroplanes home to their bases in Northern Ireland. Taoiseach De Valera arranged for over 100,000 workers to go to England to work in essential industries so that British workers could be freed up for military service. In short, the claim that Ireland allowed U Boats to use Irish ports during the Second World War is utterly false.
@Miss-an-thropic
@Miss-an-thropic 2 месяца назад
Why is he? He was a psycho as much as Hitler was
@drinkwater9891
@drinkwater9891 2 месяца назад
portugal also evil colonialist country with tons of monsters. they did way worse than churchill.
@variaxi935
@variaxi935 3 месяца назад
As an American I had ZERO faith that she was gonna give such a reasonable answer. Can't say I FULLY agree, but I didn't expect to agree at ALL
@richardbrown4712
@richardbrown4712 6 месяцев назад
Why is it an issue now 50 years later when we should be thinking about unity
@darrenssosborne3536
@darrenssosborne3536 2 месяца назад
UNITY hahahaha this country is at war with half of the immigrants they are trying to destroy britain, you are programmed
@WarriorsTale88
@WarriorsTale88 10 месяцев назад
Churchill had his shortcomings. Gallipoli and Dresden are two of many. However, the man was and still is hugely inspirational and intelligent. He is one of the best British PMs in history.
@aAverageFan
@aAverageFan 9 месяцев назад
Churchill is a mass murderer who is responsible for millions of deaths in India
@alansbinnie1446
@alansbinnie1446 7 месяцев назад
Agreed, he was a great war leader, right man in right place at right time.
@pushpenderrana6190
@pushpenderrana6190 6 месяцев назад
He was an arrogant,white supremacy advocate,committed genocide in africa ,india and other colonies.Deserves to be condemned rather than lionised
@edutioyo4477
@edutioyo4477 Год назад
BLM here in the US means, "Buy Luxury Mansions"
@robocop3961
@robocop3961 Год назад
🤣🤣👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
@quincejelly2
@quincejelly2 Год назад
🤣😂👍👍🇬🇧
@TheKrisfk
@TheKrisfk Год назад
Are you sure it isnt f everybody?
@Chris-vz3ce
@Chris-vz3ce Год назад
So true scumbags
@davidnorman4612
@davidnorman4612 Год назад
I thought it meant: Black Lives Matter.
@MrMurph73
@MrMurph73 Год назад
She had such a good point until she said 'white people'. Then she lost me. And I'm saying that as a black guy.
@adgepeterb
@adgepeterb Год назад
She made some fantastic points. And im saying that as a white guy
@twiggy99
@twiggy99 Год назад
@@adgepeterb She certainly did but her racism has made everything else null and void for me. Ironically her argument against Churchill
@Trollkungen1
@Trollkungen1 Год назад
I agree with you 100%... so tired of being divided by race!
@catcoffee7958
@catcoffee7958 Год назад
She never had good point, Churchill served his people,,, yes it might be immoral and inhuman,,, but he served his own people
@listpost
@listpost Год назад
@@catcoffee7958 Hitler served his own people, does that make it okay?
@TheMonzaa
@TheMonzaa 5 месяцев назад
I think these discussions are healthy and need to be addressed in secondary school rather than keep it all rosy in the classroom
@Fairlight53
@Fairlight53 2 месяца назад
I'm an American. My father was a Jew born in Germany in 1940. He read many books and articles on the subject of WWII. He watch numerous documenties. I adopted his interest. I believe Winston Churchill gave the citizens of the UK hope and courage during the war. He was a complicated man. I believe, despite his human flaws, was a good man and a patriot. I often listen to his speeches when I am facing advertises. They give me courage.
@Jaaammmbbbooo
@Jaaammmbbbooo Год назад
Imagine holding the colour of your skin as the whole meaning of your identity. So sad.
@---df5sr
@---df5sr Год назад
I love her “pretending to listen” face lol
@richard7645
@richard7645 Год назад
Shelfish ignorant by the looks of her face.
@poopoppy
@poopoppy Год назад
I had to turn off while the historian was speaking. She kept poking her views in. Whatever good points she may have brought up, were completely diminished by her arrogant demeanor.
@Black.Seed.
@Black.Seed. Год назад
Awww! did she offend your terrorist?
@SHEK110
@SHEK110 Год назад
@@poopoppy or maybe you dont want to listen because it doesn’t fit your narrative
@nath_arm
@nath_arm Год назад
@@poopoppy But you were fine with Piers doing exactly the same to her... Interesting... sounds like you're blinded by your own ignorance
@pauldh62
@pauldh62 3 месяца назад
Actually on the bombing of Dresden, Churchill had it both ways. While permitting saturation bombing on German cities, he was on record as sending a memo to the RAF questioning the choice of city bombed and making it clear that Britain should not be remembered for bombing that could be seen as gratuitous revenge. This is the thing with Churchill, he was a visionary, and also very good at having his cake and eating it.
@peterjerchel4603
@peterjerchel4603 9 месяцев назад
These people latch onto one item and won’t let go
@JamesMolyneux62
@JamesMolyneux62 3 месяца назад
That’s because they are embittered and with no love of the country and people that has given them a voice
@europeleeds
@europeleeds 2 месяца назад
I suppose you are refering to those black testikels.
@elainenorvell3335
@elainenorvell3335 2 месяца назад
And she is in Britain, why? What a hypocrit!
@a.hoctavius5848
@a.hoctavius5848 Год назад
You can be BOTH a hero and a villain. Churchill was British and cared about Briton. He is a hero to the British. His policies did lead to death and suffering of millions in Bengal. That is a fact. Bengal was a resource colony and Churchill had a choose. Let the bengals eat their own food, or give it to troops in the war. He was British and he chose his men. That makes sense. It makes sense that bengals see him as a villain and Brits see him as a hero. And that’s fair. No one is liked by everyone.
@lukemurray4950
@lukemurray4950 Год назад
I would agree but this idea he took the food away from the brown man to give to the white is BS! That food supplied the whole war effort which not only included non white soldiers but many Indian too. That's why it creates this anger from non whites because the history is twisted! They want credit for fighting in the ear which they deserve but at the same time don't want to explain how those people got fed!
@nostalgiajuana
@nostalgiajuana Год назад
True shit 💯
@sachin265
@sachin265 Год назад
The British army had probably 5% white troops and 95% brown and black troops. If you are easily sacrificing men of other countries the least you can do is feed their families. Churchill was a shameless racist hog of resources for his kin and kind without caring for the populace that the British Raj was oppressing
@alifalif179
@alifalif179 Год назад
It’s like saying that hitler was a hero for the germans but a villain for the rest of the world..
@alexgrayafc49
@alexgrayafc49 Год назад
@@alifalif179 ur a clown
@positivibes6655
@positivibes6655 Год назад
It must hurt a lot to smile and boil deep inside at the same time...
@rusgrant
@rusgrant Год назад
What do you mean? (slowly tilts head)
@positivibes6655
@positivibes6655 Год назад
there's so much pain and constraint behind her smile.
@AverageJoe483
@AverageJoe483 Год назад
Feelings are a CHOICE . you should read Marcus Aurelius. If you’re angry , you choose to be . Emotions are all in your control internally , not external.
@nope1083
@nope1083 Год назад
@@rusgrant Who was smiling and boiling at the same time? (Rotates head 360 degrees and vomits)
@stevemahoney1733
@stevemahoney1733 Год назад
@@AverageJoe483 I'd say, feelings are a signal from the brain to 'pay attention, this is important'. What we do with those feelings, how we act because of them is a choice.
@sins3mi11a6
@sins3mi11a6 2 месяца назад
Her emotions dumb her down, she isn't so clear & concise the more she rambles on.
@watermenplumbingfiltration144
@watermenplumbingfiltration144 6 месяцев назад
We all of us do monstrous things at times. You don’t get to be his moral judge. You get to thank him for help saving the world.
@jimmyd2647
@jimmyd2647 5 месяцев назад
We all do monstrous things?? "Monstrous"? Monstrous denotes an act of such horrific nature that it is absolutely unforgivable and possibly committed by somebody with demonic characteristics. We do not all commit monstrous acts. 🙄🙄🙄
@kieranflynn7582
@kieranflynn7582 5 месяцев назад
I don't think many people do monstrous things by the way if America didn't inter the war Germany would have won so the adulation of Churchill is misplaced
@kieranflynn7582
@kieranflynn7582 3 месяца назад
The level of monstrous varies anyway it was the Americans won the war not Churchill
@drinkwater9891
@drinkwater9891 2 месяца назад
saving the world from what lol
@watermenplumbingfiltration144
@watermenplumbingfiltration144 2 месяца назад
@@drinkwater9891 The Nazi Ideology
@jackdunn116
@jackdunn116 Год назад
My favourite quote is from Daryl Davis “if your gonna talk about history you have to talk about the good the bad and the ugly”
@nigelsheppard625
@nigelsheppard625 Год назад
Great Film.
@mmf356
@mmf356 Год назад
Why isn’t she letting the historian explain himself?
@Chris-to9gv
@Chris-to9gv Год назад
Because he is right.
@LBNMKRS
@LBNMKRS Год назад
Thats what they do.
@b.m.t.h.3961
@b.m.t.h.3961 Год назад
Because he is white
@hubreydavid7864
@hubreydavid7864 14 дней назад
Great debate I've learnt something about Churchill, he was portrait as a great man, now I've learnt that he was a monster towards black people. 😢😢😢
@bluejesus105
@bluejesus105 3 дня назад
The level of pasive agresivness from this woman. Her mind is floating on hate.
@flabbybum9562
@flabbybum9562 Год назад
Unfotunately, what a lot of these activists mean by 'I did some research' is that they Googled for twenty minutes around websites written by fellow semi-educated political activists who are totally clueless just like them. It's embarassing that these people have got away with this nonsense for so long. It's good to see them being called out more though.
@registame2878
@registame2878 Год назад
That would have been a perfect point to make if she was wrong and the noted historian didn’t point out that everything she said was true. I think you should have saved that quip for another activist. - I think you may have misplaced your post 😂
@flabbybum9562
@flabbybum9562 Год назад
@@registame2878 That's not quite what he said though.
@registame2878
@registame2878 Год назад
@@flabbybum9562 what exactly did you you hear him say and think he meant?
@kevinkibble8342
@kevinkibble8342 Год назад
Not even that amount of effort was involved. They probably just read some celebrity's Instagram story.
@dehavillandcanadatwinotter9621
And Google entertains that by adjusting their algorithms to feed those politically biased articles, most of them "opinion articles" to anyone who searches that. Google is so biased in terms of what information they feed to their users.
@johnlaws885
@johnlaws885 Год назад
Without that man none of these people would be free to debate any of this
@islandlife6591
@islandlife6591 Год назад
You mean the man who put Gandhi in jail because he asked peacefully freedom for his people?
@chrissmit6439
@chrissmit6439 Год назад
You are now on a level where many cannot reach.
@henrydaley1255
@henrydaley1255 Год назад
Delusional demons
Год назад
Useless discussion, nothing else to do? Why digging up history that cannot be changed? There's more important things in front of us....
@JoaoSoares-rs6ec
@JoaoSoares-rs6ec Год назад
They forget that
@Zofirael
@Zofirael 2 месяца назад
i will never understand why people who judge history and people's decisions and actions in the past are always oblivious to the fact that they benefit from hindsight.
@patrickwest3076
@patrickwest3076 5 месяцев назад
FREE SPEECH .I LIKE AND ALWAYS WILL RESPECT CHURCHILL. Enjoyed walking round his stately home.loved his old brick work he did himself.loved his paintings. AND MOST OF ALL BECAUSE OF HIM WE ARE NOT UNDER NAZI RULE.
@samabrahams7687
@samabrahams7687 Год назад
Churchill lived a crazy life he was born in the Victorian era and lived through both world wars ... evreything said and done hes definitely played a part in history.
@powerfulmeditations1322
@powerfulmeditations1322 Год назад
Yep and he killed millions of indians caused famine and called them primitive. Buddy was worse than Hitler even though Hitler is evil, Churchill is horrible.
@EM-tx3ly
@EM-tx3ly Год назад
Mother was an American socialite with quite a reputation His paternal ancestry goes back to Duke of Marlborough himself
@suarezguy
@suarezguy 7 месяцев назад
Charged topic and moments yet pretty civil and they were all able to both find and acknowledge some common ground.
@aliwright1523
@aliwright1523 3 месяца назад
When brains met sawdust
@dennisc6596
@dennisc6596 Год назад
She comes off as quite sanctimonious .... but I'm sure she feels that she's far more virtuous than the other two in the discussion. Nothing like someone who begins a discussion with Piers while looking down her smug arrogant nose. She is a PERFECT representation of so many of her age group. Limited life experience but supremely confident in her virtue.
@jjjj-cy3vz
@jjjj-cy3vz Год назад
a virtue they dont actually possess.
@spudpud-T67
@spudpud-T67 Год назад
@@jjjj-cy3vz When you make your own facts, you are as virtuous as you want.
@fernandotorres201
@fernandotorres201 Год назад
True
@datascientist4005
@datascientist4005 Год назад
She's quite pleasant to listen to, even in her smugness. Have you seen the discussions had by the BLM activists in the US? Just shouting and demanding reparations. Nothing of substance at all.
@jjjj-cy3vz
@jjjj-cy3vz Год назад
@@datascientist4005 i agree. she is batshit crazy but atleast she isnt a violent radical fascist like we have in the united states. those dogs wont even let you speak.
@Naza_44
@Naza_44 Год назад
Very nice of her to vilify a man who died more than 5 decades ago but somehow ignore all atrocities currently being faced by the same people she's so passionately defending.
@donhokage
@donhokage 11 месяцев назад
U mean like u people do to Hitler SMH u fool
@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings
@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings 10 месяцев назад
Mind Begs the Question: Anti Semitism - Sternly dealt with Racism,Islamophobia - If not Equally Sternly dealt with Equality,Elitist?
@ghostgraft3rr95
@ghostgraft3rr95 10 месяцев назад
Abit dumb considering you wanna commemorate a guy who’s responsible for starving 3 million people and being a raging racist 😂😂😂 don’t try shift the convo about todays day
@realabhinavarya
@realabhinavarya 10 месяцев назад
Why not talk about that monster? Doesn't matter when he died
@GameslordXY
@GameslordXY 10 месяцев назад
​@@realabhinavarya He was both a hero and a monster.
@junglebox3960
@junglebox3960 7 месяцев назад
She can’t win a debate because she does not have the facts on her side. Also, she is completely devoured by her emotions
@allenabategana570
@allenabategana570 7 месяцев назад
No she is not. She is speaking facts. In my area no one sees churchill a hero. He was monstrous. He see him as a monster. So i get her point. But a number of white people dont. They are snowflakes so they are hurt when ugly truths about their heroes are spoken. So i get her point. Churchill is a hero, but so is he a monster. Balance!
@KnucklSandwich
@KnucklSandwich 5 месяцев назад
She did great - informing viewers of the concentration camps in Kenya. Most people were not aware. Churchill was a monster - she is right.
@junglebox3960
@junglebox3960 5 месяцев назад
@@KnucklSandwich no it was not. It was a normal man during that period of time. I’m very aware of Churchill’s past. Most os us read it. Do not know if you read “The River War”, that explains Britains campaign in Sudan (when Churchill was a soldier). If you read that you would understand that he actually was a good person during that brutal period of time. Is like saying that Washington was a mere slave owner. Everyone was a slave owner at the time, what are you talking about…
@KnucklSandwich
@KnucklSandwich 5 месяцев назад
@@junglebox3960 Yes he was - just like Kissinger.
@grip2617
@grip2617 4 месяца назад
I am afraid this lady is also a monster in some ways. I hope she will never be a leader and carry responsibilities. There is a little Hitler in all of us.
@user-lm2vs1sl3v
@user-lm2vs1sl3v 2 месяца назад
‘I believe in balance’ as she interrupts constantly 😂😂
@RagingCajun985
@RagingCajun985 Год назад
Self righteous people are often not self aware people. Everything is always some one else's fault.
@sucaadshardi9650
@sucaadshardi9650 Год назад
It's nothing to do with self righteousness it's history, the good and the bad
@RagingCajun985
@RagingCajun985 Год назад
@@sucaadshardi9650 I’m not sure if any of that what this woman was saying is true or not. I can tell you in the present moment I am in Kenya and I can say the United States has been doing vast amounts of things to help this country.
@jb-zn7ke
@jb-zn7ke Год назад
@@RagingCajun985 She’s spot on about Churchill causing the famine. He openly denied access of crops to 4 million Indians who died citing they’re beastly people who breed like rabbits and deserve to die. All those crops were not utilised in the end. Talking about troops, 60% of “British” troops were made of Indian and French soldiers.
@RagingCajun985
@RagingCajun985 Год назад
@@jb-zn7ke I really have no idea what your talking about and to me the past is not important anyway.. there is still currently slaves in West China and slaves in North Africa and so much chaos on the border of the USA and Mexico... I think it is better we focus on fixing the problems now instead of crying about the past and who was right or wrong or whatever.
@jb-zn7ke
@jb-zn7ke Год назад
@@RagingCajun985 Past is not important? Who ate away parts of your brain? Your devouring mother or your absentee father? Dumbass
@havocstormbringer1503
@havocstormbringer1503 9 месяцев назад
Sometimes it takes a monster to defeat a monster. You have to retire your monster. afterwords then
@richardh7231
@richardh7231 6 месяцев назад
I can think of 6 million reasons why Jewish people were thankful to Churchill. So bad of them for coming out of the ashes of the holocaust and not thinking of Kenyans. She comes accross so horrobly
@MartinWhite1957
@MartinWhite1957 2 месяца назад
The women should read up on her history
@thedadlife247
@thedadlife247 Месяц назад
So churchill was a racist hero and young people don't think he's a hero.Why are people upset cause young people don't like him?
@HTAFNBMD
@HTAFNBMD Год назад
She's calling every veteran who's ever served monsterous. Silly woman.
@kingglobby4179
@kingglobby4179 Год назад
But she literally didn't
@CydoNia
@CydoNia 11 месяцев назад
@@kingglobby4179 11:00
@kieronjohn6334
@kieronjohn6334 11 месяцев назад
​@@kingglobby4179literally didn't or didn't?
@kingglobby4179
@kingglobby4179 11 месяцев назад
@@kieronjohn6334 I mean she just straight up didn't say it
@fanelskejovic77
@fanelskejovic77 11 месяцев назад
@@kingglobby4179 She didn't say it directly, but she claimed that killing itself is a "monstrous act". Which means (according to her own mentality) that any soldier in history who committed murder when at war did monstrous things. Personally, I don't quite agree with her on this argument. Killing in itself is an extremely negative thing, but if a soldier on the battlefield shoots the enemy for the purpose of protecting himself and his comrades, and because he is generally tasked with wiping out the evil for which the enemy is fighting for, then I think it is silly to label the soldiers actions as monstrous. Is it really monstrous for a soldier to kill an enemy who practices violence and evil for the purpose of serving a diabolical leader (Hitler, Stalin or others)? Is it really monstrous if a father or mother takes revenge on a person who has deliberately killed their child? Is it absolutely monstrous to wipe out something or someone if what you wipe out poses an eternal and strong threat to everything that is good, just and based on freedom in the world? The only language a true monster speaks, is violence and destruction - so if a good person uses the same language to fight the true monster, is he/she then a monster themself, or just a good person doing what is necessary to defeat the evil that the true monster represents? I wonder what Mrs. Ayton would have said to these specific questions............
@geoplaten337
@geoplaten337 Год назад
It’s a shame Churchill’s critics didn’t get to experience the alternative.
@gwyn111
@gwyn111 Год назад
What's interesting is she calls out the torturing off the Mau Mau in Kenya (who were burning villagers alive at the time - no mention of that), whilst not condeming him for the Dresden bombing where the bombers brutally burned alive tens of thousands of civillians in a firestorm and was widely considered a warcrime. I think I can guess the reason she doesn't care about the folk in Dresden....
@pisstakecentral
@pisstakecentral Год назад
@@gwyn111 most people only give a shit about those who are like them anyway...
@designatedpiledriver8216
@designatedpiledriver8216 Год назад
People always refer to the war. But what about the Bengal famine, what about his racist view on Indians.... we’ll just ignore all that then
@jsgv7935
@jsgv7935 Год назад
@@pisstakecentral the argument was about if he was racist or not, discrimination by a white guy of Germans is xenophobia, not racism
@mrfireblade900cc
@mrfireblade900cc Год назад
@@designatedpiledriver8216 no but why don't you explain about the Bengal famine then
@rajkoelguapo12
@rajkoelguapo12 6 месяцев назад
Young people don't seem to know much about anything other than what they learn on Tiktok.
@drinkwater9891
@drinkwater9891 2 месяца назад
they know a million times more than old people though
@rajkoelguapo12
@rajkoelguapo12 2 месяца назад
@@drinkwater9891 Not many. And they lack the wisdom and perspective to properly contextualize the info they do possess.
@drinkwater9891
@drinkwater9891 2 месяца назад
@@rajkoelguapo12 whatever you say old man
@rajkoelguapo12
@rajkoelguapo12 2 месяца назад
@@drinkwater9891 I'm 36 lol
@drinkwater9891
@drinkwater9891 2 месяца назад
@@rajkoelguapo12 im an 80s kid too and trust me we're old now
@jamesking4648
@jamesking4648 5 месяцев назад
This woman obviously hope’s nobody will check on her facts and when she gets caught lying she moves to another topic
@paulosilva8371
@paulosilva8371 10 месяцев назад
I think it’s incredibly important to consider the position and the time in which Churchill was placed. For many Churchill was more progressive than his extreme imperial predecessors. Read about his reaction to Horatio Kitchener’s obliteration of the mahdist forces in Sudan. His experience shaped his actions, and although he was by no means perfect (considering the monstrosity committed in Kenya during the 1950s) he brought an overwhelming amount of positives to the world that 13:39 we know today. Without him these sorts of debates would not even be able to take place.
@negrevallsette2980
@negrevallsette2980 7 месяцев назад
Yeah subhuman had to be sacrificed to that , he was a monster to other and good for the brit, like at least don't idolise like some saint , of course people are pissed when you say that your hero that fed his country from the blood of other is still to this day hailed as hero
@joso157
@joso157 11 месяцев назад
Sir Anthony summed it up perfectly when he said the fact we're even talking about this is because of his actions during WW2, I think that's maybe lost on a lot of people. No one is condoning some of the things that happened, Piers included, but we wouldn't even be debating this in the UK had it not been for Churchill.
@Rowlph8888
@Rowlph8888 10 месяцев назад
Actually that's complete distortion as well. Churchill made a decision to go to war against Germany, but there is no evidence that it was "necessary". There propaganda around the stupidity of the appeasement attempts prior to Churchill is ridiculous, because they were only embarrassing, because it is simply ignored the details he signed, but that increase any threat posed towards the UK. If Churchill had not gained power, you only have to look at Hitler's views and his actions to get the true picture of what would have happened and he didn't even finish off the British expeditionary force when it was trapped on the French beaches, when he had the chance(He let them escape through his respect), precisely because he had no interest in war with Britain, until dragged into it by the time of the Battle of Britain. Hitler in his utter delusion, believing in the Aryan superiority, also believed in the Anglo-Saxon culture and the Italian culture as akin to the Aryan master race, due to their periods of supremacy and Hitler didn't even want to fight the Brits, and did so only because they declared war.If he had won, it's unlikely he would have punnished the British badly and probably would have gone on with his plan to clear living space in the East and things would have been savage and cruel for the slavs and the Russians, but the West wouldn't have suffered greatly, other than what terrible suffering went on while the war was going on. *But even that is irrelevant, because retrospective analysis shows that the Nazis were never going to successfully invade Britain, they would have lost the war in the end, through lack of fuel, it if the Americans didn't turn up, the war would have been lost in the Soviet Union, but the suffering would have been greater and economic consequences worse and it would have taken several more years
@J040PL7
@J040PL7 9 месяцев назад
She forgets that she wouldn't be even born if not for Churchill, This is why emotions cannot get into geopolitics, sometimes you need to kill a million to save billions.
@quack437
@quack437 8 месяцев назад
What actions exactly i dont recall Churchill doing any of the fighting
@hels6271
@hels6271 8 месяцев назад
Churchill enabled the commandos and the SOE-strategic Operations Executive, set up Bletchley park- who broke the enigma code. Churchill understood Hitler, when no one else did, he was needed for that time. Yes he was racist, he was a flawed person.
@yes563
@yes563 7 месяцев назад
@@quack437I am not even from Engalnd and I recognize the leadership of this man in ww2. To sum it up when france was about to lose he was pressured from everyone to enter peace talks with hitler,(because invading britain then was seemed very possible and surely coming any day after france) meaning abandoning france, the rest of europe and the world to the nazis.He was the beacon of democracy literally to the world and continuously inspired resistances and free/neutral countries to do their part.The famous speeches gave courage and kept the fight going for many nations.
@paulallies3269
@paulallies3269 2 месяца назад
How dare she criticise Sir Winston Churchill.
@hider23232
@hider23232 2 месяца назад
Lmao
@richardplume3212
@richardplume3212 2 месяца назад
Agree 4me rule 303
@andyturvey6397
@andyturvey6397 2 месяца назад
She is a race baiter Simples needs to take a proper history lesson why she is given air time is beyond me
@michael47359
@michael47359 2 месяца назад
Churchill should be critized. Not for his racial stances but under his leadership the British Empire came to an end.
@VeganStance
@VeganStance Месяц назад
She part of BLM,a corrupt organisation and she has the ordasity to criticise Churchill
@margaretconnolly6686
@margaretconnolly6686 2 месяца назад
That chip on her shoulder must give her terrible backache, get over yourself
@drinkwater9891
@drinkwater9891 2 месяца назад
churchill was racist monster who cares
@johnnymn4monic726
@johnnymn4monic726 Год назад
We spend all this time worrying & labeling people from hundreds of years ago and ignore the corruption that our politicians take part in today
@femalehobbitwithhairyfeet
@femalehobbitwithhairyfeet Год назад
Hundreds of years? He died in 1965. There are many people still alive today that live with the consequences of his actions. Hence the debate
@sanaira190
@sanaira190 8 месяцев назад
Moreover. What is the purpose of learning history? Please enlighten us. If people from those hundred years ago are dead, why is he still being admired at all? Can't people who suffered under him feel angry? Should even the youngest Jews of present generation hold respect for Neo Nazis?
@charlesbuckner6396
@charlesbuckner6396 Год назад
The line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every man
@jjjyli686
@jjjyli686 Год назад
The times were a lot different when churchill was alive. I’m sure the racism was everywhere back then so it wasn’t looked as a bad thing then because people couldn’t think what they’re saying is wrong. Social constructs steer how we people think
@jeremiaha5167
@jeremiaha5167 Год назад
@@jjjyli686 - Racism , or to be much more specific - British supremacy (I just made it up. I like it) is something the British ruling class was extremely proud of since they invaded half of the world overseas. Britain is the biggest war criminal, thief and mass murderer in history. But history is written by the winners so most people are under a bizzare spell that the British went around the world and spread goodness and help. Rapists, thieves, murderers. And proud of it. That's the British elites for you.
@daveyboy6985
@daveyboy6985 Год назад
@@jjjyli686 actually I believe social constraints just make us more careful what we say. Not what we truelly think.
@sutt1tclo143
@sutt1tclo143 Год назад
Seems reasonable but what good was Britain doing in Kenya to do such horrifying things to simple poor people who were only trying to make a good future for themselves and their families, if those Kenyans didn't stand-up for themselves then no black man on earth would have had no official free rights to do or say anything, Churchill was a definite monster.
@Billabongbabalog
@Billabongbabalog Год назад
@@sutt1tclo143 He's just a dude. You'd be just as bad or worse in that position. Just like anyone.
@gis381
@gis381 3 месяца назад
Now, she started again! She makes me feel sick
@elainehumphrey2307
@elainehumphrey2307 2 месяца назад
Why oh why do these news stations keep having her their programmes. It’s the same time and time again.
@pujatelicreative
@pujatelicreative Год назад
Sir Anthony Seldon comes with a lot of reason, diplomacy and wisdom in this never ending debate. As someone who has Indian roots, born in the UK, I'm getting tired of this debate quite frankly. But I do ask this.. what would accountability look like when the person you are speaking about isn't around anymore? All our heroes have flaws, and many of the people we've labelled villains have good sides too. We are better off for Churchill's leadership. All of us; even those who have deep colonial histories. And to ignore that side to prove a side that shows those flaws of his, is actually doing the exact thing we complain about 'the other side' doing. Let's move forward now, we have a lot going for us so let's build on that.
@user-ir1lu1ei4n
@user-ir1lu1ei4n Год назад
Your English
@alexander92179
@alexander92179 Год назад
@@user-ir1lu1ei4n British. English is an ethnicity.
@eldictator1
@eldictator1 Год назад
Great point.. let’s look at the flip side.. The U.K. capitulate, facists take Over Europe, spread to the world, India becomes a Japanese colony, rather than getting freedom from British rule the way the Japanese murdered Andoman islanders
@alexander92179
@alexander92179 Год назад
@@eldictator1 capitulates to who? The left..
@gmanstarr1439
@gmanstarr1439 Год назад
Churchill killed more people in India, than the nazis in europe, by taking Indian grain from India to feed his own, leading them to starve four million people to death. This is why India will not export wheat to western countries, because they will just stock pile it up, and sell it for higher prices when there's a shortage. India said that there top priority for exporting wheat is for for developing countries. Yes im an Indian born in Britain.
@gbs8405
@gbs8405 8 месяцев назад
Why do we suffer these fools.
@user-lm2vs1sl3v
@user-lm2vs1sl3v 2 месяца назад
When she said ‘OK, you can tell a lie’ 😂😂😂
@tinawebb9464
@tinawebb9464 2 дня назад
My dad was in the Mau Mau war in Kenya during the 1950’s but never heard of pliers to testicals
@jalenn757
@jalenn757 Год назад
This is the calmest debate I've ever seen piers have 🤣
@darrylh547
@darrylh547 Год назад
He had to be due to the nature of the topic.
@ikennauchendu7624
@ikennauchendu7624 Год назад
It’s cos he is wrong
@italiantraditionalcatholic2390
​@@ikennauchendu7624 Marxism is good?
@danielholden5847
@danielholden5847 Год назад
See the one with Richard Dawkins
@Naza_44
@Naza_44 Год назад
Should watch his interview with former President Trump. He had to apologize, said "sorry" 😂😅
@Rocky-me7qh
@Rocky-me7qh Год назад
Wokeness destroys mind,body and soul 😢
@sueharrison9115
@sueharrison9115 11 месяцев назад
Please explain what wokeness is please!
@mjoosten6916
@mjoosten6916 11 месяцев назад
​@@sueharrison9115 Today's society😂
@abinsurly2910
@abinsurly2910 11 месяцев назад
No. It destroys your trash heroes.
@abinsurly2910
@abinsurly2910 11 месяцев назад
@@sueharrison9115 It's simply the act of being conscious (awake) and not fooled by state and societal nonsense. "Staying Woke," the concept and saying, began with Black American blues musicians in the 1930's. You can probably figure out why.
@jamesn151
@jamesn151 11 месяцев назад
@@sueharrison9115 just go
@trevorcliffotd9278
@trevorcliffotd9278 День назад
Pretty much on point Imarn. Balance is everything
@laszlofarkas9406
@laszlofarkas9406 4 дня назад
Put this woman in the prison for life
@GEO-PAN
@GEO-PAN 9 месяцев назад
One can have a better conversation with a brick wall...
@Royston-gh8xt
@Royston-gh8xt 2 месяца назад
The brick wall as got more intelligence than she as, any one who is not black is rasist in her mind, I think she suffers from an inferiority complex
@tyrellmnacada
@tyrellmnacada Год назад
I'm Kenyan, and yeah, I wouldn't be here today if not for THE GREAT BRITISH EMPIRE ENLIGHTENING MY COUNTRY LONG LIVE CHURCHILL HERO, LEGEND
@atta1798
@atta1798 Год назад
Nice what did he do?
@tyrellmnacada
@tyrellmnacada Год назад
@@atta1798 Brought me clothes, books and money
@atta1798
@atta1798 Год назад
@@tyrellmnacada 👍
@stormship1647
@stormship1647 Год назад
Yes You would you clown
@SenorSol
@SenorSol Год назад
Sarcasm, right?
@jennifermccormick6939
@jennifermccormick6939 7 месяцев назад
Oh no not her again seeping with hate poor women wake up filled with hate feel sorry for her fool
@widowsson8192
@widowsson8192 Год назад
"History will treat me kindly, for I intend to write it." - Churchill
@box1007
@box1007 Год назад
What has that quote got to do with provoking racial conflict in 2022?
@widowsson8192
@widowsson8192 Год назад
@@box1007 use your imagination, doof
@kuljeetsingh6553
@kuljeetsingh6553 Год назад
It won't.... He was a fuc**ng murderer
@SillyEngineer
@SillyEngineer Год назад
@@box1007 he didn't end up writing it and his crimes got exposed.
@franbatista9062
@franbatista9062 Год назад
“The victors write history”
@firsttheycame0211
@firsttheycame0211 Год назад
What is the point of having a debate with someone like this? Nothing will change her opinions, certainly not facts, as both of her eyes are on one side of her face. He wasn't a monster, he was the man this country needed at that period of history and who was the leader of a generation who, in the main, were all pulling together for a common cause. Unlike this person who only exists to create division. His stubborn, single mindedness kept Germany from our shores. What would he think of this country now, I shudder to think
@mmn7209
@mmn7209 10 месяцев назад
What are facts may I ask. As I see it's the west who are not ready to take facts and stats of inhuman treatment to the east.
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