+Jacolby Green His speech will remain relevant until things change. In fact the rights hard won by the back woking class are being taken back. I think the argument now has to include class. Since James Baldwin, the establishment has created space for a new black middle class, out of necessity, and I think the black middle class are guided by self interest. Where are today's James Baldwins? Have they all joined the establishment? Under Eric Holder former black Attorney General, the Black liberation icon Assata Shakur is a terrorist. She was added to the FBI “Most Wanted Terrorist” list. Why are the Panthers and other political prisoners still locked up in prison in solitary confinement for over 30 years?
+James Mac "White guilt is dying" --good. No one should be hostage to something they didn't do. If your sibling or parent was a serial killer (and you had no knowledge), should you, your kids, grand kids be held liable and in contempt indefinitely?
Akyrah34 Vigier Joseph Mankiewicz was also the one who directed Sidney Poirier in his first film "No Way Out", a movie that took a provocative look at race relations.
It is really something to see a discussion from 57 years ago where celebrities and thinkers were more eloquent, insightful, deeply engaged on an intellectual and spiritual level than those we see today. I cannot help but think we have, in many ways, moved backwards from 1963.
What Harry Belafonte says between 15:44-17:56 is everything!!!!! Like in order for systematic racism to end it's up to white people. This is just not a Black struggle, it's a human struggle. And I also agree with James Baldwin that this fight will cost people's lives. #BlackLivesMatter
And the question is still the same as the one Baldwin points out at the end. It is nothing to do with who such terms label, or the difference between black and white, but to do with the drive to exclude and stigmatise groups, and to maintain the position and feelings of superiority of the dominant group. The same issue that also underpins the stigmatisation of 'immigrants' and the 'underclass' today
D Stu If you look back in history the same supremacist tendencies could be seen in situations like the relationship between the Romans and the Celts of northern Europe. Now back then it wasn't based on race but more of a sense of cultural superiority. Human beings have a biological impulse towards tribalism and racism plays off of this tribalism. The tribalism was already there and the European invention of race gave it justification and allowed it to fester.
Completely agree. And to deal with/diminish racism this needs to be fully acknowledged. Baldwin actually also made a similar point in his criticism of Uncle Tom's Cabin, that, among other problems, it never asks the question as to why white people were manifesting these forms of behaviour. We need to stop trying to only condemn racism, or to deal with it only on a moral level, and understand it as a product of humans and social organisation, and how this results in social hierarchies
The poise these guys demonstrate. Must we not go back to that? They show anger without acting it. They show intelligence without flouting it. They show determination with grace. There is no better. Love for Humanity.
We need more of this now more than ever for people to stand up for what is right and beneficial for the good of this country and for all the freedoms that all citizens of this country deserve and our country now as it stands needs this all of our problems climate change gun violence racism inequalities wage disparity have to be addressed God bless these wonderful men
I have to give Charleston and Brando credit they where not afraid to speak out, and lets not forget their lives and careers where put on the line. I don't see the same thrust in white celebrities any more.
+Lisa Jackson If you listen closely, They were putting black people secondly not first. They said thought it was about all people. But all people were not on the back of the bus or not allowed to got to the university. Or had to use the black bathroom. It was all word games. Charlton Heston proved to be a very racist man after the fact.
Lisa Jackson, I experienced those times and civil rights was a popular cause celebre to be a part of then. There were so many famous people who marched and were a part of the civil rights movement of all races. The more popular side is the one that is spoken of here, yes even among the masses...not even close.
Everybody pay attention to 10:15,When Brando ask the question,What excuse do we give ourselves for burning children with cattle prods?,he cut him off quick,there is no excuse,an I see Brando as someone who truly was concerned about human rights.
The Black panelists concentrated on the day and what this march on Washington meant to Black people in the USA, that day! The lack of dealing with the racial problem at hand that day is why there was a march of 200k Black souls !
What’s amazing about this discussion is the politeness and civility of everyone. No one is trying to get centerstage. There is a respect and a humility amongst everyone no one is looking for their moment, so to speak so often you see this today when celebrity personalities get together everyone is looking for their particular soundbite.
What was said about being one of the only countries to allow these discussions about civil rights being so wonderful and at the same time so horrible because we have to have such discussions in the first place was right on!
7 brilliant men who are speaking their thoughts with intelligence without screaming, yelling and forcing others to accept their opinions. Yes, let's go back to that time when people were able to have conversations with each other without forcing their opinions down the throats of other individuals.
WOW! Would be great to have programming like this again. Joseph L. Mankiewicz, a freedom activist/speaker for social justice...I had no idea. His films continues to be inspiration that I write from..always about the things people do. James Baldwin, always great to listen to him.
wow. Much respect to all participants in that table. I didn't knew M. Brando was such an outspoken decent human being; read his bio in Wikipedia and came searching for footage. I'm pleasantly surprised. A very corageous human overall.
Poor millenial 🤦🏻♂️ Marlon Brando was a genius as an actor and also as a human being. Wikipedia? seriously ? You better go read a book on Brando's biography.
@@capitanfuturo594 yeah Wikipedia about him really wild and too much gossip and there are Soo many bad biografi too about him. only his autobiography and his documentary tape i trust.
We used to have discussions like this on talk shows that’s why they were called talk shows. Nowadays these talkshows, I just vehicles for celebrities to plug the latest book the latest concert tour, their blog or podcast to gain soundbites for their next political or celebrity show and it’s seen as a self promotional tool talk shows in the old days were meant to be thought-provoking and informative because you wanted people to gain information and insight. It seems the populace with a lot more literate also.
As a whole people are way too impatient nowadays to even endure, a show like this people would be complaining that it takes too long. Why don’t they get to the point blah blah blah because people in this culture like excitement they like controversy they like noise they like conflict and soundbites not information
You have to wonder if something like this could happen today? Imagine the great actors, writers and thinkers of today sitting around a table to discuss such crucial movements as these - it is difficult to do so. The 60s was a time of great potential, and it was crushed, and would never be allowed to happen again.
Look what the coward US government did when their greatest ever athlete spoke up. Rejected him the very next second, and for what? For an unjust and aimless war that they had no business getting involved with in the first place
I'm enjoying everybody gathered around with a good smoke talking in a way you would never see on tv today, an open an honest discussion about race between whites and blacks.
This is important for humanity, we should have more discussions like these with each other. We need NOT to be told what we can or can't talk about with each other as human beings.
Wow, something like this could never never never happen today. Can you imagine getting all of these entertainment and literary giants together in one place?
Mr. Belefonte deserves the graditude and respect of his fellow blacks and from those of us who defend the worth, dignity and god given rights of all human beings. Brando expresses a fundamental truth when he speaks of fear and hatred in the human heart. The Old Testament prophet Jeremiah says it this way, The heart is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked. Who can understand it.
props for them for talking publicly about these issues even though it affected their careers they got a lot of hate and death threats over this!! lost a lot of money and many people stopped supporting them and boycotted their movies it’s ridiculous
aunt it funny how stupid 15 second vine videos can 2 million views in 10 min but the real shit we need to pay attention too never comes close. it's funny how we finally got all this free educating about our selfs on our phones but instead of getting smart people losing sleep and lives over Facebook
Joe Mangovich says it correctly, human right! You cannot demand something that doesn't exist. What in the world is a civil right? Human rights are afforded to those who are considered humans. Something concrete that can be brought up in court, like Malcolm X was getting to before he was cut down.
Did you know that James Baldwin and Marlon Brando use to live together for 4 years. I found this out last week; while writing my paper on literary influences. I chose James Baldwin and his work A Talk To Teachers.
Baldwin befriended actor Marlon Brando in 1944 and the two were roommates for a time.[Field-Douglas 2009]. They remained friends for more than twenty years.
Incredible some of the true titans that are all gone now Bellafonte and Poitier both died fairly recently Charlton Heston ,Baldwin …we are so lucky to still have all this amazing and important footage available 60 years later ,what an insight into the past, and in reality, it wasn’t that long ago.
I am impressed at how articulate each of these men are. it seems people presently in general do not express themselves as well even among the educated. Has the English language been diminished? Has ordinary education been corrupted, brought to the lowest common denominator?
Only one man whose still alive here, Belafonte. His comments and references were the only POV that are still relative today. Maybe a little Baldwin too. Just goes to show where most people's mindsets were at.
Excellent piece of history.Wonderful panel. I only wish I had knowledge of this video when I was teaching. I only wish schools all over North America would use this video as a tool to introduce ‘ why the word Nigger.’
These men put their carreers on the line to do what was right Belafonte touched my heart Brando thoughtful soulfol to the point Heston dignified and caring touches my heart
So sad that we are still talking about this but it shows we still have a lot to do. Glad to see that Belafonte and Mankeiwitz were not mincing words and were pushing the fact that it is our (whites) problem/issue. SIGH.
Marlon reminds me of Muhammad Ali in that both excelled in respective fields & both became global icons for boots-on-the-ground, unsexy activism. I wish Jane Goodall could dunk & Carl Sagan had a black belt, they’d trend so hard forever.
I remember this . I was only 9 years old but it made me fully aware how cruel and vile this country is.And in 2017 how it's still relevant it is today.
That particular Cleopatra was. She would still have been a bit darker in appearance though. Greek people in that area in general are much closer to an olive bronze shade than a porcelain pink...but I digress.
It’s been forgotten but Heston was a lifetime member of the naacp and the urban league. Secondly Eddie Smith who was the cofounder of the Beverly Hills Hollywood naacp and the Image Awards , as well as the Hollywood Black Stuntmen’s Association, was at the March. He met James Garner whose company Cherokee productions was the first to sign with the BSA. Until then it was still acceptable to put white men in blackface to do stunts. Also, Mr Smith told me himself that Heston allowed the BSA to meet at his home on Saturdays.
Brando at 26:00 "The Negroes now are giving us a lesson"...in the ebb and flow of history. Surprised Brando would see this issue in terms of us and them, them making us better. Baldwin, a few years later, would have gone ballistic on such a narrow, white driven perspective.
This issue is as relevant nowadays as it was then...and to think that all of these people are now dead, I felt like everything they fought for were in vain. We are all children of God and should act like one!❤
When i was young in1971 we lived in Denton Texas my mother was completing her degree in english literature i was brought in to a family by my friend Mel his mother Nurse Father Doctor they treated me as a son both great humans both African American both legendary we are the human race no distinguishing on this subject Heston Baldwin Poitier Belafonte all great and look loving visionary men it is the human race that matters not racism that I s not right that is not what my country stands for read some of James Baldwin's essays in Esquire magazine and other works concerning this profound
Amazing! So much beauty, eloquence, and courage is most inspiring to see. My only issue is that there are no women at this forum. It is 1963 and three months later, JFK would be assassinated, and the world would never be the same. Those people who lived through these terrible times have been forever changed by it. I am surprised to see Charleton Heston, however, as my impression of him was forever changed when I saw him give that awful NRA speech. Glad to know he got this issue right.
This was a great sit down, conversation amongst outstanding gentlement and revelation of some white persons willing to not only privately speak out for what's right and decent but publicly as well.
A dignified articulate discussion. This level of debate is sadly lacking today. How disappointing that so much of what is discussed here is still relevant today more than 50 years later.
@@BernieHollandMusic and THAT is the point! These debates used to be featured on the major TV networks, now they are buried away on obscure cable/satelitte stations and on the internet. Fewer people are aware of their existence or access them. Back in the day these high profile debates did have an impact on an important section of the viewership of the big channels, providing water cooler discussion points.
Great discussion, but I wish they could've had double the time because they only touched the surface. On another note, it's very troubling that our children have to learn true history from sources other than their schools. We need total education reform which includes curriculums that enable discussion and understanding of where we came from and why so that we can become a UNITED nation.
