Fans of snugpak: Are you willing to treat your stuff as you would military-issue gear? If not then it ain't "rugged!" I actually like a lot of their stuff, so don't think I'm just hating 👍😎
I used a snugpak hawk9 on Telic 1 2003, great as it squashed down to about half the size of the UK issue doss bag but I had exactly the same problems as you outlined in your video. It WILL NOT open easily and the lining catches when you zip it up.
I own some snugpak sleeping bags, the jungle bag, and the heavier square foot bag, but i use it only for civilian camping, but i just purchased a Woodland MSS, in great shape, that would be my main go to sleep system.
Military spec doesn't always mean better in fact sometimes it means cheaper. Perhaps you've got faulty zippers because my zippers in the SF complete system are fast and smooth. Clearly marked YKK. Cheers.
I've got two military surplus sleeping bags I figured out that adding glow in the dark paracord helps on main zipper and color coded zipper pulls on the secondary zippers!!!
Problem is the entire MSS is massive and heavy. Not a problem for 20 year old Marine me but major problem for 38 year old disabled Marine also with MS me....😁 My current bag is the Recon 5 Gen 2 bag. -4° F rated, 5 lbs, and compressed small. SO FAR, the Gen 2 has been holding up great and it has a center line zipper for quick egress.
@Grunt Proof Huh. Thought it was heavier than I remember. Definitely not as bulky though. I just read the full MSS is 7 pounds. But, yeah, if you remove some stuff for the same rating I think you were implying...
I have two thirds of the MSS. I’m lacking the bivy. Does the bivy help with retaining heat or just keep you dry? I found I got a little chilly with the jungle bag at 45 degrees.
Yea most MI stuff is considered bomb proof, it's also heavy. In the military you may carry some of your gear for distances, but a lot of gear is transported around in trucks. I think it makes sense for the military, I think it makes sense for some people that don't hike in long distances to their site. I think a lot of people like the idea of MI or military grade i.e. rugged gear but then when you pack it all up and see the size and weight it becomes a lot, especially if you're hiking 10 miles in or more.
Yep, there's also the fact that a lot of military guys (as I believe the reviewer said) just don't take basic care of their gear, so it's designed to take a lot of abuse. I don't beat the crap out of gear I've paid good money for, so it doesn't tend to fall apart on me. That said, Snugpak gear is slightly flimsy in my experience - if someone's looking for bomb proof etc they're probably not the best choice. But their stuff is lightweight, warm and comfortable - it works perfectly if that's what you need.
Man - too bad you don’t live in the Carolinas. I swear we share a parent. This is fucked up. I was a SAW gunner in Afghanistan. I’m a hiker/Bushcrafter (whatever the fuck you call it) and I carry military gear. I’ll take the weight because I know I can depend on it. And I’ve used the modular sleep system in Afghanistan in freezing temps with no overhead cover. AND SLEPT GREAT!!! Plus, I’m fit and can carry the shit. So fuck the ultralight shit (to an extent). I still incorporate UL gear, but for the shit my experience rides in, give me ACTUAL military grade. Cheapest Bidder? Sure. But real and effective.
you're absolutely right, but that snugpak is damn small. fits in every bag. And for the price, it's great. For someone in a climate like mine, it's perfect for outdoors. And it's for sure a good entry sleeping bag until you upgrade. Combine it with a liner and a bivy, and you got a solid sleeping system for a while.
Another clown report! You cannot do a direct comparison of a military system and a civilian system. Yes, it's OD Green. Yes, some soldiers are using it because it is better than what they are issued. But was it created as a military combat issued item. No! Military grade refers to the standards by which the military evaluates equipment. If you wanted to discuss the standards, you need do your research, and know what you're talking about. Additionally, military systems are inherently heavier than civilian systems. Civilian systems constantly evolve based on the market and technology. Military systems do not. The military does do research into various systems, but more often than not buy Commercial Off the Shelf (COTS) items. Lastly, if your intention was to prove to the girls and airsoft community, but then I repeat myself, what a all knowing and powerful man you are, you only impressed 601 out of 12.5K viewers. Not impressive at all.
Elite Survival Systems makes awesome bags. I’ve never been in the military but I don’t treat my bag gentle. I have ultra lightweight gear too so I know the difference. I have to be gentle with my ultralight gear. The Elite Survival Systems bags are hardcore It has shit zipper pulls but there is plenty of room to make some out of 550 cord. It doesn’t snag at all. You can rip it open and it opens like butter. Closing it can catch a bit but if you back off just a tiny bit you can carry on.
I have a military sleeping bag I am a boy scout it is amazing -5 Fahrenheit I was almost sweating people use winter sleeping bags they still get cold it is the only military issued thing I didn't get from my grandpa
That’s really cool you got a lot of stuff from your Grandpa. When I was in the Boy Scouts we used to drive down to Fort Bragg in “Fayette-nam” (Fayetteville NC) and hit the Surplus stores to buy supplies for our new Scouters. Our troop kept an account to provide for new members who came from less-well-off families. The surplus stores there would see us coming and would drop the prices for us even more, knowing why we were there. Milsurp - while a ton heavier - tends to be bomb-proof. Think what it would be like if it WASN’T made by the lowest bidders!
i tried to watch but the video game sounds were making it hard to hear you. I would love to see it if you can find a way to deaden the background. Great channel though, I really enjoy your work so keep them coming!
I don't know if you did your research but from what I can tell you act like Snug Pak is a civilian company. Snug Pak is a UK company was created by a military veterans specifically for the SAS originally and it has sold from there. Snug Pak is the equivalent to the MSS in the UK and both are military contracted. Both Snug Pak and MSS sell to civilian markets and both have veterans who made the company. Snug Pak is the official issue in UK, and SOF community's in USA. I don't understand why your comments are along the lines Snug pak is a tactical wanna be. It's not it is official military issue. I have been issued both and I will absolutely say Snug pack is better and packs smaller. I do like my MSS but it's very bulky and when I'm humping in bulk does not cut it. You're also comparing 2 different temp type bags.
@@GruntProof I recommend trying the Special Forces(SOF) system from SnugPak it's very comparable to the USGI it should fix the zipper issue. I don't have a jungle bag but I have been told they don't hold up well so I can definitely understand that aspect. I agree durability is the key. I've been issued a few different Systems: Blue water system, Kelty Vericom, Wiggy, USGI, SnugPak SOF system, and MSS Tennier. If you have a chance to compare/test some of these it might an interesting video.
How come companies don't do what you just said??? And vice versa there some things in the civilian world that is better then mil spec. You would think they would be wanting to improve there stuff. Get working good for the military then adjust the colors and now you can sell to civilians.
I think many of the big companies that receive gov contracts no longer have to care. Snugpak supports the British and Dutch militaries, who buy their products regardless.
Seen both my boys make it through boy scouts, tiger cubs to eagle scouts. IMO NOTHING! beat the army sleep system and other gear when it comes to camping. Might not be tops in the weight area, but even myself, have been in below zero temps (I ran the cold weather camping program for my troop), NOTHING beats (price and function) army gear. Army gear ROCKS when it comes to camping gear. Coastie sends!
I have used the snugpack sleeper extreme while I was homeless I did beat the living shit out off it but not to the same extremes as I would a army sleeping bag I'm pretty happy with it's performance but for more extreme shit I would rather get a more rugged one Great review keep up the good work
You’re absolutely right. Needs to be said, and maybe you have, civilian stuff always sacrifices “toughness“ for weight savings; every gram matters. Tents, bags, etc, are made out of gossamer materials...not a long life ahead.
Hello from Vorarlberg Austria 🇦🇹 I did a review Snugpak vs Corinthia (defence 4 Vs snugpak sleeper extreme) and the only downside I could find was the sipper.🤔 However I do believe most people would be perfectly happy with the snugpak 😅 not all of us are grunts as you say🤣👍 Kind regards Leopold 🤗
I preffer carinthia defence 4 over my bed, its so snugly and comfy, and it actually protects to a decent degree even against moisture from outside, its so warm i ended up taking my jacket off and sleeping in just a flanel shirt and pants in 5 degreess celsius in the rain.
@@djocharablaikan8601 I hope you also use that in combination with a sleeping bag inliner or you're going to end up needing to wash that thing all the time😅
@@LeopoldElwes yes i use sea to summit reactor, its compact, light and kinda comfy, it has that feel of a snuggie while the sleeping bag provides the necessary heat and also allows you to breathe the cold air outside. Its a killer combo, never been this comfy sleeping in nature, the only thing that killed the fun for me was the absolute garbage Snugpack Stratosphere bivi that ended up getting soaked in a very mild although long period of a central european rain. Good thing Caribthia Defence 4 kept me dry even though it got pretty wet on the outside and inflatable mat protected me from the soaked bottom. But still a huge fail on Sungpack side. Gonna try to return this for warranty and if they refuse its probably going straight to trash, i dont even feel comfortable reselling this one.
@@djocharablaikan8601 please don't throw it away it's just because the defense isn't designed for the stratosphere. The stratosphere is designed for a much slimmer sleeping bag and everywhere where the defense for was touching against the tent walls it was letting in moisture. Normandy the stratosphere should be used in conjunction with a snugpak sleeping bag because it's designed for that 😅 if you want to have the perfect question for your defense 4 I can only recommend the observer plus from carinthia but it will cost you an arm and a leg 😅 you'll just better off buying the 70€ snugpak sleep extreme sleeping bag and using that in conjunction with your Stratosphere and I can personally guarantee you will have a great sleeping experience..... Unless you happen to have very wide shoulders in which case it might not be for you😅
@@LeopoldElwes i think i will just opt for a DD hammock instead, should fit in carinthia defence 4 just fine i hope. I also have the carinthia tropen to use it with in case defence 4 is too big for it but i doubt this was the reason because i made my sleeping setup well before i went to bed because i was expecting the rain, and stratosphere was letting the water in allready. I also used it with much smaller sleeping bag in tenerife and the inside was basicaly coated with water at the slightest rain or moisture, and my bag was getting wet pretty often. Zippers plain suck. Ventilation is pretty bad and i ended up opening the main zippers quite often so as to not choke from lack of air. I used it somewhat succesfully there because the weather is very forgiving on canary islands but this bag will certainly not hold up against any significant rain. Gonna see what the Seller says about this but bivy bag that doesnt protect you from the elements is a dead weight in my eyes.
Thanks for the vital information! I have a Canadian Armed Forces duffel bag I scored from a surplus store in 2004. It was my power tool bag when I did construction for over 10 years and the past few years it's been my go bag to carry my lunch, extra gear, etc. for my security work. 💪🏻🤘🏻
Ugh! I need quick exit!! I've often thought, while desperately fumbling with the zipper after waiting until the very last minute to finally get up to take a leak, I'd make a nice little burrito for a bear because there's no getting out of this thing in a hurry! And yeah....the zipper loves eating into that baffle that blocks airflow into the bag. It works, but its super annoying! Okay...how about military boots? They look tough as hell, but super uncomfortable compared to civilian variaties. Oh and do the military even issue trail runners? Haha...not that I'm a fan....just curious.
Like you said, snugpak makes good stuff. However I will always make the argument that military surplus will 9 times out of 10 be much tougher. Everyone says "mil-surp sucks!" Or "it's garbage!" And yes some of it that I have tested does suck... But most of it is crazy tough and will outlast pretty much anything on the civilian market. Is it heavier? Usually. Is it worth the extra weight? Most definitely.
The snugpak gear in my opinion is somewhere between 'military grade' and lightweight. The difference between the mss and the complete sf system is vast, heres what I think, cowboy camping I'm going into the mss, backpacking over any real distance I'm taking the snugpak.
Some civilians fail to understand true "MilSpec" gear. So if MilSpec gear outperforms "trendy" civilian gear, what about Military training? Yup! It outperforms civilian training as well. Why do you think the US Military performs miracles in battle? And they do. MilSpec gear and Military training. I don't believe all civilian gear is bad I own quite a bit myself. But I'll purchase military gear first if it's available. I trust it.
Saw your video, had to watch. I think there a part of people out there who want to play army. They buy stuff cause its cool and want to look bad ass... and the manufacturers know that. They make stuff to sell to them cause it makes them feel good. It does not have to be good, just looks and sound good. I bet alot of guys dont even use it. Oh its my car stuff, just incase, my bug out bag.... And the popele who make the stuff have to keep the price down so the want to be`s will buy it..... and want even more. Its all for looks....the true camper/hiker looks for good equipment, the want to be wants it to make him feel good. Thanks for your video... nice job.....
How about looking into the latest snugpak smock SJ3, SJ6, SJ9 as something to test? I am also interested in UFPRO gear, but that gear requires a substantial investment.
Sometimes, civvi is better than military. You just gotta remember 9/10 times the cheapest bid wins a military contract. But there are many many examples of better quality available on the open market. Kella, Carinthia( who made their sleeping bags before military contracts) . Likewise, milspec doesnt mean its better.
I have some old russian gear & misc other for extreme conditions..... I have slept out in 25 degree with a snugpak..... I had 2 handwarmers in with me and a tarp just thrown over...... was chilled that night but okay..... next couple of nights were back to normal 30's and all was fine....after that I carry something in addition to snugpak bag just for unexpected temp change in cold camps....... my advice for colder temps is add wool blanket or something (something extra)....I like snugpak but I too have found issue with zippers
I think you make good points. I have served as well. I prefer civilian gear. Military gear is to heavy. I would run circles around military people because you to heavy. A good book to read is Secrets of the Vietcong. Light infantry is the best. The US military has overloaded our military. The grunt has to carry amo, weapons, motors and heavy machine guns. Lighter equipment is crucial. The US military response is to keep getting our gear heavier. Not good. It reminds me of an fat cow. You want the cow as fat as possible before you eat him.
Honestly, I was expecting worse. The zipper isn't an issue for me since I made my own on their jungle blanket but I agree, probably not Military standards. But to be honest a brand new military sleeping bag would be much more expensive than a surplus.
I'm not fully disagreeing with this, but it didn't sit right with me about what you said with the grabbing it and pulling the bag open, so I got out my mss and my sf system and did some dry runs, I found that with my bags, with perfect condition zips both systems opened like silk, all the way to the bottom, as a matter of fact I found that the snugpak zip was smoother (I put this down to less milage) . But I assure you, I didn't hold back and really went for it but because there was no snagging basically no matter how fast I pulled apart the zip just went and there was no stress on the stitching. I think from my experience, the snugpak gear is tough, but when you actually compare it to military gear it feels weaker than it actually is. Also, my snugpak was nearly 3x the cost so I'm not going to be sleeping in puddles with it.
The zip on my Snugpak Jungle bag is garbage! It gets caught up on the fabric every few inches negating the “anti mosquito” properties by taking a damned eternity to get in and zipped up.
Tripped across your channel this morning, glad I did. I am a huge fan of surplus gear, especially when a serious review based on time is done. You give true testimony to durability. Great videos man!
Great video.. I also have the MSS summer bag and a few Snugpak models including the Elite 4 and jungle bag. I am a huge fan of Snugpak but the US Army issue summer bag is definitely more heavy duty as well as being ripstop fabric. I love the HD zips on the MSS bag that never snag - total reliability you can count on. Same on the MSS bivy..so awesome for exiting in a hurry.. The Snugpak zips do sometimes snag which is a pain in the ass if you need to get out quick. If you want to get our quick you want to get out quick! It pisses me off they don't even use YKK zips on the Snugpak jungle bags...for what you pay that should be standard... They should take note...all issue and aftermarket military bags should be heavy duty and quick access every time, you should be able to take that for granted...
I have several of the Antarctic RE-25 bags here at Alaska Raft Connection. I thoroughly inspect gear selections, assess for realistic expectations, and evaluate performance to reliability and longevity. I do this in a variety of proving-grounds, in conditions extending all 4-seasons, mild to demanding wild. When I researched these bags, I was relatively certain that they were 're-badged' version similarities of euro materials/insulation and features or copies of sleeping bags like Carinthia. 'Claims' -4 F comfort to extreme -58F rating that is laughable unless you are in some 40 yard potato-sack hopping race. 'Reasonable Rating' ranges from comfort at 10 F to extreme -15F. While warmer and thermally more efficient than a US MSS system w/ all components... it is not nearly as durable. Reliability factors like zippers, type of seams, seam-work, stuff-sack materials/construction are not in the realm up 'grunt-proof' or for outfitting/rentals. I typically outfit these bags (as well as US MSS) to customers on river rafting trips that tend to be cold sleepers in Fall conditions for the extended 3+ season. The extra comfort may go a long way vs. bags pegged at say 15-20 F ranges when looking at likelihood Aug./Sept. 20-45 F sleeping scenarios running rivers, fishing, and hunting. The MSS gets the durability, versatility, and availability nod. The Antarctic RE gets the thermal efficiency perks. Neither is all that great for what I would relate as being optimized for sub-0 F winter demands. As for stuff-sacks: the Snugpack is quite poorly made concerning materials and sewing vs. US MSS standard nylon version is very durable, yet somewhat funky as compared with modern compression sack designs.
You are 100% correct about the zipper being the most important part of a sleeping bag. I bought a new bag in '98, my 30-year old bag was leaking feathers like a hose and most of the seams were blown. Every bag I tested had wimpy zippers except the bag I bought. Big surprise is the brand was REI. The best part was synthetics advanced to almost equal warmth/weight ratio of down, and it was long enough for my 6'3" and my boots.
The difference between the MSS and a Snugpak Softie 12 is the 2 additional MagPul 30 round PMAG with 58 5.56 NATO rounds for the same weight and temperature rating.
@@GruntProof My Snugpak SF and Softie 12 sleeping bags were manufactured before Snugpak started producing the 'Elite' range in China. Snugpak reputation for quality it seems has been reduced for the wider civilian market. My Snugpak sleeping bags get rarely used now since using PHDesign and Rab down sleeping bags at half the weight of the Snugpak's.
Combat is the only situation the military bag is better, Snugpak wins in every other category, simply a better sleeping bag, smaller, lighter, more comfortable.
I'm sure that's true for many people. It's also cheaper than if you got a new MSS on the civ market. I still lean toward my military stuff, even in normal situations. Maybe I abuse my equipment too much, but I just destroy every piece of civilian gear I've ever owned.
Thanks for the video and comparison. I love my Military sleep system bags and bivvy. The only Snug-Pak I own so far is the TS1 sleeping bag liner and Basecamp pillow. Was thinking of getting one of their bags because they pack down so small but I hate when zippers snag!
Snug pac used to make their stuff in the UK and had a good reputation. They moved production over sea's and I'm given to believe the quality went down while the prices did not. So it's not "British stuff" anymore although they would like you to think that.
@@GruntProof Not a big fan anyway, the only backpack I bought from them hung like a sack of s**t no matter what you did with it. There's tonnes of good European brands and loads of surplus to choose from, you can get by without Snugpac.
Thanks for your video ! I am currently looking for all kind of sleeping bag system et i thought Snugpak could have been a perfect balance for quality, price, weight. I almost buy a Tactical 2. Then i saw your video.. Do you have recommandation on sleeping bags ? What and where to look for ? thanks !
Some of their stuff is okay. I am currently testing their Elite 4. I am honestly a full blown Army MSS dude. Not because it was issued to me, but because it is the absolute toughest and most functional sleep system I have ever played with. It's also dirt cheap if you check ebay and are patient.
I still have my Snugpak I bought for Y2k... have any idea how they've updated them since then? My chief complaint with the Snugpak is the too-small compression bag which is impossible to fit the damn bag back in it, so I use that bag for a ditty elsewhere, and jam my Snuggie in a slightly larger ditty. And yeah my 2nd complaint is the zipper gets stuck in the fabric real easy. It's worked pretty well with a snoopy blanket, and I recently got me a US bivvy sack so I can go sans tent. Peace.
That Snugpac zipper wouldn't last with me. I'm notoriously hard on gear, especially in the winter. Civilian gear always sacrifices durability for weight savings.....not always a good thing.
I have used British Army gear in the field back in the day and more recent, also have a number of Snugpak items that are useful and help civvies and would be useful for the armed forces in many situations. The key thing to note when buying snugpak items is where is the gear made. If you want the best Snugpak items (from my experience and view point) then you have to seek out the UK produced items and ignore the 'imported' items that are only good for the happy camping types. So sleeping bags like the Softie Antarctica for winter, Softie 3, 6, 9, 10. 12, 15, Special Forces 1 & 2 (excellent bag combined for year round use) or the Tactical 2, 3 or 4 these are all much better quality than other items in the Snugpak range and will serve the enlisted man, trail bashers or Grunt Proof fans much better day to day year in year out. Some great points in the video and a reminder that buy cheap imported cr*p and you either buy twice or freeze/miserable when you really needed the kit to step up and it failed.
Great vid. Been there squeezin hard cause you gotta go and yup zipper jammed up. Fighting with a zipper under that much pressure sucks. I bought the Canadian Military Sleep System. Same as you US Military Sleep System. Emergency exits no problem. Thanks for the vid. Grunt Proof series are most helpful.
The MSS still has it's place for sure. I have two complete set ups. I'll never let them go. There's only one obvious advantage to a snugpak or anything similar: weight.
Yea that pattern sucks....the bivy is also a bit smaller than the woodland. I doubt you could paint it. Best bet is to trade or just buy the woodland version.
I have the MSS system and the most important thing I considered was the zipper. If the zipper goes you can throw it away, it's useless. You hit the nail on the head, the MSS bags are bomb proof. Army Combat Vet.
Yeah the softies are ridiculously good, particularly in terms of weight to performance in cold weather. As long as you take care of them and aren't expecting an insulated kevlar vest, they'll more than justify the price.
Is the MSS narrow and or small in size? Everybody say it can be used while clothed etc, even have a sleepingpad inside the bivy. I just cant fit inside mine mss. Just wondering if I am to big for it. Are you a avg body in size?
I took a snugpak jungle bag to Bryce Canyon Utah in June, the temps got down in the upper 40's lower 50's at night. The bag said it was rated for 40 something degrees ( I think) I froze my ass off, returned it as soon as I got home. 😂
There is a key difference between the woodland MSS and the ACU MSS. One opens on the left the other opens on the right. This sucks because it prevents you from mixing and matching bags. I was hoping to put the woodland bivy on my New MSS bags but it doesn’t work due to the different opening sides.
Gr8 video, late to the show here. Ditto: I have the intermediate usgi bag, and just got the s/p base ops navigator, no comparison. The s/p is supposed to be a 28° bag, I was out in a tent in 45° and got cold, wrapped my heavy coat around my chest and hood over my head. For the weight and size of this bag, it's not worth the 60 bucks on amazon, yes the zipper hangs up, I almost peed my pants cause I couldn't get out. Thinking about returning it, got 2 weeks before I can't. Might use it for car camping because it does make into a quilt. The usgi intermediate bag (used) has served me well, looking for a new one ,if possible now. The face opening is just right, where the s/p won't draw up tight. Final: s/p does have good stuff, stay away from there sleeping bags.
I ditched my snugpak bags. I wanted the multicam setup they had, but also realized what you said. I replaced that system with the Wiggys system. It is American made, and was responsible for the creation of the multi-bag system. Wiggys bags also use the oversized zippers. I own 4 of Wiggys bags with a multicam bivy, 3 insulating footwear, and 3 pairs of footwear. You like hammock camping, he has you covered too. www.wiggys.com enjoy spending your hard earn dollars
Been collecting G.I. gear for awhile, found' a U.S. jungle bag and sleep pad. Good finds, a good wash and airing out,etc. Got a couple British jungle s/b compression sacks and acquired a French bivy. A Greek NATO sleeping bag,- a good intermediate bag- , surplus compression bags for the larger stuff.I think I'm good to go in low f° or wet. Subscribing thnx
I love military gear, I always say if it’s good enough for our troops in combat, it’s good enough for what ever I’m doing. That said, there is some good commercial stuff out there, but you really got to research it. But I still prefer military gear. Good information!
Let me clear up the design of zippers for you the military zippers are large and let a lot of cold air through your also made a brass or composite metals which can freeze trapping you inside the bag now on the civilian side you have smaller tiger teeth on the zippers which left let in less air cold air and are coded so they don't freeze up say either one is better it just explain why they went to a smaller zipper because the military ones usually have a zip cover or flap to go over the zipper to keep that air from getting in and 90% of the military gear uses YKK zippers but you're also heavier the newer ones are smaller lighter YKK have double teeth which way stronger civilians have single teeth
@@GruntProof not on most of them I got a Alpine mountaineering razor light sleeping bag there is no baffling on it also on my Kelty Galactic and Cosmic sleeping bags no baffling but they do have the smaller coded zippers and for the galactic sleeping bag being a zero degree bag you figured they'd have it on it
I looked at your online link to Amazon. Is there a version for tall people? At six feet, four inches, 220 lbs, most standard sleeping bags are too short and often very tight in the shoulder area. Anyone here my size have experience trying to fit in the regular bags?
Try a British army arctic bag, try and find a grade 1. Check the label it must say arctic bag on it. They stopped making them around 2004, my bag is 1988, theyre centre zip and synthetic you wont break the zip.
Very accurate description. I have a different version of the Snugpak. I've ripped some of the compression straps on the bag, and the zipper is exactly as you say. I'm 6'4", and for the price and weight it's a decent bag that I can actually fit into. But I may look into the military version you showed because of the better zipper.
The British Army version of the Carinthia sleeping bags can be found for a decent price some times as well and are pretty good quality. I own both the USGI MSS and the British system and both are good to go.
@@yellowdog762jb no problem, I just recently got myself the British system and although it doesn't seem that it would be as warm as my USGI MSS I also haven't gotten to extensively test it. The British summer bag also has a mosquito net, which is really nice.
@@ChezVincentTattoo I'm not sure about outside the US as there aren't many options. In the US, Hammockgear, Warbonnet, Enlightened Equipment, Jacks R Better, and many others all make very good top quilts.
Hahaha I have a Snugpack elite and it's a massive pain in the ass because of the zips and draw cords, also tore a hole in it when sleeping in boots! I have a Kit Bag Recon 0°C sleeping bag which is the equivalent of the MSS jungle bag and it's much better, just not as warm.
I have also found that the MSS is far superior as far as ruggedness. I had an old style bag, olive green mummy bag , had it for 20 years, then it got stolen. I like the newer MSS . I had smaller civy bags for years as well they always died.
I have the Army modular sleep system. ALL 3 parts in the stuff sack, packed in my vintage medium Alice pack. GP is correct, it works as designed. It's part of my go-to rucking kit I use here in SE Alaska. Wouldn't trade it for nothing.
I think the difference between the temperature rating of 30 and 32 is that one is freezing point in Fahrenheit and the other one is freezing point in Celsius converted to Fahrenheit
There is a much simpler solution here. Get the Snugpak Jungle blanket (esp. XL) and velcro the the sides. Works brilliantly and you never have to worry about zippers ever again.
