CLAN MacGREGOR's FALL: Scottish Clan History and the Battle of Glen Fruin 

Not Scottish but watch a film called “Black 47”

Rob Roys mother was a Campbell... and the Campbells took him in when his name was removed.

@@zaynevanday142 There is a video game called Agent 47 based from the Irish Royal O Sullibeahain assassins. That's fun.

@@jokingker2553 😂 😂 😂

From the Scottish historical society a reply to I'm not sure? Well who the hell really is were you and I there?! But I think if it's been repeated as much as it has it probably has more than just a little probable foundation! You hardly ever hear anybody say anything good about the Campbell's, and of course if this is you Mr commentator you don't even want to get started on the comments about the master of stair?! I'm not sure?!

same here. Just stumbled upon this Channel. No clue how as I was watching Late Roman Republic video's right before I saw his Rob Roy Video.

No doubt, I couldn't hit subscribe fast enough.

@@brianwestberry9117 hahaha, I got here via a video on the silver bridge disaster. Good channel though

No lie, it's quite refreshing

same. he sounds like a nicer sean connery :D

Specifically, I appreciate the way you tell history by putting it into a physical space, both showing the land where events happened and then explaining them on the map. That’s the mark of a deft historian and a good storyteller.

🥰 hey Johnny Walker ~ I too am a MacGregor ( I’m in Boston area Massachusetts usa) McDermott’s married name ~ I never knew 😳 I can unfortunately say some of us up here are still wicked & unhappy 🙁 crazy curse I suppose ~ I’m not under it 🙏 I am 1/2 miqmac as well so I’m grateful 😇 not mean or unhappy lol 😆 happy 2022 my brother 💙✌🏽😇shalom shalom Nameste

Also from Clan McGregor. I'm a Greer. In North Carolina.

As a descendant of Clan Campbell; sorry we were such cunts to you lot.

​@@borismuller86 bit of a understatement mate 🤣😂

😂

Lmao

im still waiting for haggis stew

AMEN

It's always the Campbells fault

😂😂😂Let it go

My people on my fathers and grandfathers side where MacGregors. They ended up running to South Carolina in the 1640's and adopted the name Gregor which later became Greer. Took me a while to track that down. My sister married a man named Campbell. Should I tell her about this feud? We go to the Highland festival in Kansas city most years and I don't want to start trouble! LOL

@@mattsmith7490 Do you know a man by the name of Gary Sullivan? He's an older doctor and author.

So basically a couple of Americans got into a fight.

Are you serious? LOL that is fucking cringeworthy. How typically 'Yank' - a bunch of idiots finding an excuse to feud over something they never were involved in. How embarrassing that they hijack a bygone culture because they have none of their own.

Patton would have loved it. "Hold em by the nose and kick em in the ass". As a McIntosh, MacGregors are my chattan. "Touch not the Cat bot a Glove"

Aye...I sense the McGregors were always the ones with the balls...and a rough and ready crowd...but fundamentally honest...unlike their cunning neighbours

Delighted

Is it published?

I am inclined to agree, they may not have carried out the first physical blow but they were certainly the instigators.

It's definitely a trait of the Campbells playing one side against the other and standing back to watch the ensuing carnage, the seeds of which they'd sown.

To me seems it was the Campbell's who started it all got the other two clans to fight it out then come in and take for their own wat was left in plain terms a land grab been done this way for centuries land and then POWER

Fuck the Capbells. They should have been banished

@@johnwokutch8015 Seems to me it was James VI and his manipulations that led to this end, though the Campbells seem to have been willing conspirators. All water under the bridge at this point, but a good example of how injustice is justified to meet the ends of greedy people.

Tee hee hee

So I'm an Orr and, according to a little clan history book I picked up in Edinburgh, after the fall of the MacGregors some survivors fled to Clan Orr and adopted the name. Not that I claim any Scottish ancestry, definitely too far removed for that but I thought it was cool. So what I'm saying is your welcome to use my surname

@@TenaciousSnail don't worry, its not legal in Canada

How's the leg ?... lol

Lol

My mother, born in Germantown Philadelphia, said her people came from Cork. She was raised Catholic. She once told me that for some reason she never really liked the Scots Irish.

My mother is a Murdoch and said that to me as a lad. She was fairly astute as it turned out.

@@regulusmine2336 look at North of Ireland for you mom's answer 🇮🇪

Yeah you can, trust me.

@@markcampbell1444 Ach, no! Ye Campbell's polish the hooves of Ol' Scratch himself. Ye gave the the Sirens the melodies to tempt Ulysses. All of ye have the silver tongue hammered from the lockets of widowed women. They sleep in cold beds with nary a bite to eat bc ye killed their men like a Judas in the night. Be gone Campbell, go make your soup and fill the cans with the sweat oh honest men.

Hey thanks for sharing that story of ur grandpa,very funny !

You father should be proud but the thingis we are related to campbells as well as many mcgregors married campbell girls even robroys mother vas a campbell !!!

The Campbell's slaughtered the Clan Lamont in a place called Dunoon in Argyll and Bute in western Scotland.I know where the memorial stone is.

A sad state of affairs eh?

As my grandfather taught me ‘ya ne’er trust a Campbell. Proud LaMont

@@noreen4529 My father, whose ancestor was transported to Jamaica in the 17th century, taught me "you canna trust a Campbell"

I agree as a Lamont descendant as well :)

You're spot on! My family is in Ontario, Quebec and eastward.

Yeah im from ontario and my grandma is a MacGregor!

@@augustthorstein2072 My grandmother is a McGregor too. She was born in the eastern townships of Quebec, but the family is also in Glengarry/ Prescott in eastern Ontario.

Ah ken eh?

That's what I was told growing up. Campbells be damned.

I am also a Macgregor

LOL. The Campbell's are in my line too. I don't have anything against the McGregor Clan. Mainly because my genepool is an eyedropper. Liney's whaddya gonna do?! ♥️We came to the Americas in the 1790's. I think we can all get along after this time.

@danny hawk you forgot the McLeods. Ha! Only kidding. 😘

Thanks Jeffery

I agree Jeffrey, I am a Canadian Campbell (with some MacPhee & MacDonald in there too) & I think they all had a hand in the whole mess. Too bad the clans were always fighting each other. Scotland has such a rich history & I love hearing about it & reading about it. Aside from all their squabbling with each other Scotland has produced the finest fighting men in the world.

Now that's an interesting take

I believe King James ordered them to denounce the name on pain of death because the motto for clan MacGregor is “royal is the blood that flows through these veins” or something grammatically similar, so he was basically eliminating potential claimants to the throne.

Imagine if Scotland did bring England under it's rule, wonder what it be like today

@@mattevans923 that was my friend's belief and mine as well. The MacGregors could have made claim based on having been the rulers a good while back. But it would've ultimately broken Scotland and England both which James was intelligent enough to see. The Clans were thinking in the present. James worried about the future. My friend didn't like this but he agreed with me that James I made the right call.

@@tub19 it wouldn't have worked, which is at least one of the reasons that he did things the way he did. He was following Elizabeth I who had made England the world power that it still is today. Scotland was slowly starting it's break from the Catholic church but was not far enough away to please the English nobility that had made a complete, clean break through Elizabeth. If memory serves me, James also broke from the Catholic church when he became King of England. Had he not, he would have sparked internal warfare probably ending in his being the first English King executed by his own countrymen instead of Charles I! There were too many ways to get himself killed by the English and this is just one of them! After the execution, the civil war between the two countries would have broken England's international power and made both ripe for European (and Catholic) takeover. James was intelligent enough to save his beloved Scotland even though it didn't seem like he was doing that at the time. He chose to make the wrong decision for many but it probably actually saved the clan rule of the Highlands for at least a little while longer.

Is it really Campbell's soup they sell or stolen McGregor's? Damn those Campbell's with their soupy ways!

Heinz is better Campbell's is 💩💩💩💩

Campbell’s soup is better! Lol

If a Welshmen born in America might interject?. Wouldn't you think the STEWards would be the ones who made the soup not the Campbells.

@@DavidJones-ct7fw O DDEFNYDD O If ur from nefyn/Gwynedd area of north wales possibly related

he stole the cattle good work great great great grandftaher :)

@@tonythille8924 Naughty Rob Roy

I aim to please Glen😊

My maternal grandmother was full Scottish. I have always been proud of this and I love to hear stories about Scotland. I just love it.

Yay

It seems you don't know what ethnic actually means, ethnicity is more the cultural upbringing associated with ones native national identity. The term 'Native' is a cognate of the term 'Nation', both of which etymologically relate to their derivative form 'Nationality'. 'Ethnicity' (from 'Ethnos') is acquired, for example your native Yank Doodle native accent from America is a part of your native ethnicity as well as your heritage being American as you inherited your American default citizenry (and ethnicity overtime) as a result of your native USian American nationality.

obviously the campbells. it is always the campbells fault, always

@@maxineward1419 aye

@@maxineward1419 It is what it is

@@dylancampbell6586 at least you know how corrupt your ancestors were.

The Dalrymples?

Do it. Do it

Go! I did 10 years ago, and want to go back. My family came from Renfrewshire near Glasgow. I wasn't able to make it there on my trip, and hope to go back. I did pick up a book on the MacGregors for my son, as that was my husband's family. My son's comment was "Mom! They were nothin' but horse thieves!" It took a bit to convince him that all the clans were "horse thieves." 😂 Scotland is absolutely beautiful! And such lovely people, and quite outspoken.

If you wait for the world to calm down you’ll never see Scotland.

Good to see a proud American acknowledge and admit he is an American. Too many fakers from America claiming to be everything but American. Respect to you Sir.

@@plasticpaddy985 he’s a Native American bro. He’d have to go back ~15,000 years to find immigrants lol (if he’s 100% First Nation). Is it too much a crime to enjoy one’s history and have a little fun with it? I mean, it’s true that most of the comments here are lame af, but at least they’re admiring rather than tearing down...

Greetings alison, how are you today?

All 3 brothers , your granny was a bit of a girl .

Your Lineage would be Yankish now, your immediate and most related ancestors were Yankee cowboys of the old West, just like most Americans ancestors, and your ancestors ancestors ancestors ancestors weren't actually Scottish, they were Reivers, who weren't considered Scottish or English.

@@plasticpaddy985 clearly don’t know where North Carolina is and how recent the “old west” was. Funny nonetheless

@@plasticpaddy985 trying to gatekeep people from their own lineage eh? you must be a gem of a person. Tool.

If the records are accurate, my grandma descended from the MacGregor Clan (but all women, so they didn't remain MacGregors). They settled in Canada and then in Iowa. Anyway, I thought that was pretty cool.

You were lied to then. Official Clan MacGregor records put the first MacGregors in New York untill the very late 1700s. If you are going to pick something to lie about, dont make it the most well known and recorded Scottish family. 🤣

@@PostPatriot According to the records my family has found, mostly from the digging my grandmother and great grandmother have done, this is the information we have. Also they didn't live in New York, but in New Hampshire. She just passed away, but we still have the paperwork. She had traced our lineage back to both Scotland and Finland back to 1400 and 1200 respectively. So maybe your records are incomplete.

@@jeremiahkivi4256 Then you are the wrong MacGregors. The actual bloodline clan as recorded entered America in the late 1700s. There were three brothers and they immigrated around 1785 and settled in Iowa, or Idaho, I cant recall exactly. So, no, you aren't MacGregors. You may be a cousin or married into the family somewhere, but Scottish bloodlines are well documented as National heritage. So my records are exact. Thanks for the laugh.

@@PostPatriot Lmao Iowa wasn't a thing until 1846, also wasn't IN the US as a part of the Midwest/Wisconsin Territory until 1803 when purchased by the US from France. Idaho was a part of the Northwest Territory which wasn't established until 1818 and a state until 1890. You claim to know history but get basic facts completely wrong. If anyone is having a laugh, it's everyone at your expense. Good day and good luck on getting your information correct.

Mine also. Kincaid 1649

Guid lass

pog ma hone

Thanks Chad. I'm on the brink of shedding a tear. It's only my machismo that's saving me right now

@@ScotlandHistoryTours 😂

have you looked up border reivers , lot of history there too ,

Not the only MacGregor's in the New World some of us were south of you

we settled in america australia and new zealand too. i was looking at a rental in queensland two years back and the owner was shocked i knew " 'S Rioghal Mo Dhream" meant royal is my race. how did you know that? he questioned to which i replied 'because royal is my race'. we didn't have any of the same living relatives, yet macgregor we are. so i'm saying not all macgregors moved to canada. many didn't.

Some of the persecuted kept their Sept and also found life in America. I am just now learning of my heritage. But I found that this was the case with why I have the last name of Whyte.

Hi, cuz, I am from the same line!

very ihterstingmy home town is windsor ontario canada love that area

As an Orr I 2nd this

Also a Colquhoun, and the story told here is the same I have heard growing up.

I'm glad too

My surname's Johnson, I'm white, but seemingly related to many black guys in Detroit!

Many, if not most, Black Americans have European admixture. Muhammad Ali's great grandfather was from Ireland.

Another Murray checking in.

@@justinmurray4652 Hi glad to hear from you;.

clearly the scots were competing against ...THE BLACK IRISH

Look forward to seeing you here

We spent a week at Arrochar in '16; one morning when the Little Lady wasn't feeling quite up to snuff I took the rental for a driveabout. Ran down to Faslane then up that incredible nap'o'the earth road through Glen Fruin...had no idea of the history of the place until reading up on the MacGregors some time later. Finished the trip by driving through Glen Douglas. Can't wait to get back. Beautiful country, wonderful people.

Aye, that's Garelochhead Training Area where many a poor Jock soldier has sweated and shivered, slogged up them hills, sloshed about the peat bogs and been feasted on by midgies - a fine place!

True

Exactement

Or wry mouth, as in humorous.

No such thing as 'Gaelic' - that's actually just a foreign slur word to wrongly conflate them, the correct words are 'Albannach' which means Scottish. Or 'Eirennach' which means Irish.

@@plasticpaddy985 or Scots Gaelic as Gaelic is the name for the language they fall under, in fact in Ireland it’s Gaelige that they use to refer to their language.

isnt campbell derived from champbelle or champbeau?

@@philmckay9973 I don’t think so, I’m pretty sure the clan had been around longer than the French started interacting with the scots but idk, I’m a Colquhoun so this ain’t none my business

Thank you

😁

Where are you from

@@ScotlandHistoryTours Chile, I discovered your channel with the video about Thomas Cochrane :)

Ah low, sorry, yes

Maybe one day!

I’m so glad someone mentioned the Tranter text. I hope all you N. American McGregors beg your local library to get you a copy. Jeanette McGregor Ireland Slainte!

You can't be both American and Scottish in any order as they are two entirely different distinct nationalities/ethnicities over 4,000 long long miles apart across a vast ocean desert in entirely different continents with different cultures, philosophies and perspectives etc. Being one and claiming to be the other undermines both by automatic default. It would be more accurate to say you are an American native who happens to have had a distant ancestor or two who was born in Scotland a long time ago.

@@plasticpaddy985 honestly I agree with you, I am American in nationality with Scottish ancestors, but I still take pride in my ancestry to some degree, I don’t wave it around and declare it to the world and yell it out in the middle of the street, but my family line traces back to Scotland so it’s the nation I most align with after my home nation, I don’t see anything wrong with that

@@austingole4861 Fair enough, no offence though just going by a lot of American views here and there it seems to be about all they can talk about. Some just get tired of seeing it constantly mentioned after a while, then start wondering about it and eventually looking into it more academically to see why it's so prevalent like it's a cry for attention to be noticed.

@@plasticpaddy985 I can see how this would get annoying, but I mostly did this comment because I was thankful, hope you have a nice day

@@austingole4861Cheers, nothing personal of course, it was more a collectivised observation, you have to understand it's not like an overnight thing, it's fairly endemic with a lot of comments coming from America that are largely posted on many Scottish groups, not just RU-vid video threads, also Facebook groups, Twitter, social media in general etc, so hard not to notice it, been using RU-vid more since about 2007, used it a few times earlier but wasn't a regular user before that point so seen it a lot over the years. But yea have a nice day too, no hard feelings.

I thank you

Indeed

Aye it's a bonny part o' the country

hello fellow Ohioan!

Brilliant! Thanks

My Dad told me this account. Sorry! I won’t be inviting you over to my house so don’t worry

Came here to say the same

100 % agree 😂👍

Amen. I'm Clan MacDonald as well. Nothing but spite for the backstabbing Campbells

@@wiseguysoutdoors2954 Your hamburgers suck.

Why were they hated so much? From Ireland btw love Scottish history :)

I remember MacGregors in England who would not speak to,or have anything to do with Campbells. That was in the ‘60s ,I wonder if they kept it up ?!

@@CrimeVid when I was in secondary school there was a teacher by name of Mr Campbell. When he found out my father was a McGregor (I have taken my mother's name as I am the last male of the name, so it wasn't common knowledge) he absolutely hated me. The hatred was mutual. This was back between 2002-2007. - Kyle.

​@@geminiii6634 MacGregors held their land by coir a glaive, "right of the sword". They believed that land should be won through battle and held through battle. Mainly, they believed this because nobody could beat them in battle. The Campbells were interested in getting more land and eliminating the threat posed by competitors. At the time, Robert the Bruce, King of the Scots, was doing a rather shady practice of issuing grants for lands that were already inhabited. Rather than battle the MacGregors, which would be suicide, the Campbells bowed to the King, knowing that they would be granted land near Loch Awe and some surrounding lands, which were held by MacGregors. It was basically like a very dastardly and politically motivated sort of land reform. Strong clans were simply unwilling to recognize the authority of a king. Weak clans were willing to collaborate with the king if they were provided these land grants to the lands of stronger clans. The weak clan gets more land, the king effectively has more support, and a strong clan that could put a wrench in the plans of the crown has their lands stripped. If I may... it's like if you had a really weak, poor neighbor who lives in a mobile home, and you live in a mansion. He always talks about how much he likes your house, but he doesn't want to get a job or go steal a house at gunpoint like the rest of us. This neighbor decides that his best shot at getting more land is to convince authority figures to kick you out. He starts jerking off the mayor once a week. One day, after jerking off the mayor for a few hours, the mayor decides to give the neighbor all of his lawyers and send cops to back him up. They all tell you that you're evicted, and your mansion now belongs to your neighbor, pack your bags or we kill you. That's the Campbells. Similar thing happened a couple hundred years later, with the Colquhouns. That time, the Colquhouns stood up to MacGregor, but they were brutally defeated in battle. The King sees it, thinks, "hmm, these people will do anything I say, and this is an opportunity to make the barbaric MacGregors less powerful", but that time, he banned the name itself.

@@alliums361 Thank you :))))

I know the feeling as I too now wish I would’ve had the good sense to ask my elders about their experiences and family history!

wait wait! wut?

My 2X Great Grandparents were from Sterling Scotland James Halley was a Clan MacGregor member. His wife was a MacDougal. I found this interesting and bet there is more to the story also.

@@jameshalley9763 stirling not sterling

I too am a Taylor, through my Mother.

I and I'm a decent of Robert the Bruce and James the the 6th, get Tae fek you waloper!

I feel sorry for the pair of you🤷🏻‍♂️

Also, it was their way of alluding the enemy by going up into the misty hills. Being a MacGregor, I do it all the time to avoid being held to task by my wife!

“Thankfully I am not a proponent of pan-generational guilt” So you don’t support burn loot and murder then, great !

@@mattevans923 That's correct. I don't blame current generations for the crimes of past generations. Our responsibility is to do the right thing in the here and now. Learn from the past not repeat its mistakes or perpetuate its sins.

@@cjlloyd53 But you can make your mind up on what is right purely based on genetics...

@@chromagraphphotoart Not really. It was more a tongue in cheek answer. However, the Campbells were guilty of hegemony and political ruthlessness.

@@chromagraphphotoart Not really. It was a bit of a tongue in cheek answer. However, the Campbells were guilty of hegemony and political ruthlessness. I imagine it was a dog eat dog world back then, much as today is .

Glad you enjoyed it

Get off the fence ma man😜

@@ScotlandHistoryTours My Mother and her people are Murray's, but they are all from Ireland. All our fences were stole by the Brits.

I Huv a Dirk thirsty for Campbell Sympathy ya wee Dotty!

@@widdershins1796 Ah sure the Campbell's ran my local in Cambridge, the Ancient Druids it was called. They treated me well, even though I was very far from home. I have no issue with the Campbell clan. Good people,excellent hospitality. How do you judge people?

@@steveosullivan5262 it's referred to as "Humor" As yeknow....Scottish Grudges are Famous for going back to the Old days.